GTA SA - Why Definitive Edition is Garbage? [Part 1] - Feat. BadgerGoodger
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- In this video I am going to show you why the official Definitive Edition of San Andreas from the HD Trilogy, in my opinion, was not just a poor and lazy attempt to remaster this iconic game, but how it also seems to be made by people who didn’t really care about the game.
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Thank you for making this.
Finally. this video acts as the perfect fix list!
I hope grove street games people die cuz the og is better that def 🤬
@@StuartLugsden Your houser brothers swim in money bigotry warrior, all of you are self-deluded who think they nowadays care about these 'products'.
Great work mr.vadim M! Too sad we cannot go back to the era of great times and real games now everything is under political control and censorship it was a pity that Rockstar company got pawned because of the great hot coffee minigame concept.. god bless those people for pushing the boundaries of art, story setting and arcade sandboxing.
They cancelled the open source project and sued the modders that fixed their games for years for this, let that sink in.
Almost as if they could've HIRED the modders instead and made it infinite times better than the trilogy of pure shit that was released for full retail price.
😡🤬🤦♂️
🤬😡
Maybe that sink can make mods for us again if I let it in.
@@Ecl1p5e-MM8BDM That sink would do better than R* that's for sure 😅
I have to disagree that it looks like a fan made version.... a fan would probably have put in more passion
Facts lol
In fact a group of fan developers made a great job on Unreal Engine 4 and they cancelled the project. Don't know if rockstar threatened them with a law suit.
@@GattiJuanIgnacio don't be surprised if that's the case.
And they did with mods
What about a fan like me who knows dick all about making games? :P
Crazy how crappy the forests look during storms or "foggy" weather in the remaster. The forests in the original game under these weather conditions were some of the most unintentionally creepy looking areas in gaming simply because of how great the weather effects were implemented in the original games lol.
All of which birthed so many "myths" and "mysteries" lol
Crazy what the right atmosphere can do. Amnesia The Dark Descent capitalized on that and made a killing back in early 2010s.
I really doubt there would be any myths or mysteries being spread if the only version of San Andreas was this crappy "Definitive Edition" one.
Really, you thought a bunch of boring empty space filled with fog was interesting? I mean, I'm more upset that they didn't condense the map or add more areas to actually do stuff than I am about the graphics.
(Don't worry, they're still definitely on blast for somehow breaking the game with Defective Edition, I'm not defending it, I'm just bringing up a different view.)
@@CoralCopperHead Considering the vast ammount of theories in many sites of years just involving those areas I say he is not alone in that.
@@CoralCopperHead they didn't add more areas because it's just a remaster not a remake.
If I remember correctly, didn't a modding community actually redo the entirety of the DE and it came out a million times better? I think I remember reading about how R* sent cease and desist notices to the modders and ended up taking them to court.
When a big name company has to kill off a modding community because that community can take your money grabbing garbage and make it actually better, that should speak volumes.
It was a project that reverse-engineered the original trilogy (only 3 and VC were released, since sadly the cease and desist came before SA could be released) and made better-workng and more optimized versions of them for the PC. No graphics enhancements, it was just code.
The PC ports are notorious for having shit code.
Rockstar is a garbage company now. Best thing to do is pirate all R* games from now on
Let them bankrupt, hue hue hue hue. That's better than eating a conveyor of unfinished buggy 'games' for the full price.
Rockstar hates fans@@CAPTAIN_CLOCK
This ''remaster'' has made me realize how beautiful and well detailed the original game was with it's effects almost 20 years ago
That's exactly why I won't buy this poor excuse of a cash grab and instead will be more willing to play the originals :)
PS2-era GTA's are one of the reasons why I keep my trusty, old, 2008-ish hp laptop with WinXP on it
@@Elmias you should get a ps2 and get the real experience! They are cheap! There is something about the look and feel of the ps2 version, with the orange haze and motion blur, that just feels better
If they touched nothing and released the 3 games with a working GPS I'll buy it instantly.
Same. I've had GTA:SA installed on my computer with a ragdoll mod for the last 5 years now and seeing how badly they screwed this new version up really made me appreciate the original version so much more. Even little things like weather effects are handled so much better.
Same with B4B. It makes people appreciate L4D more.
I have a feeling this is going to be your most viewed video yet. The effort put into this is amazing. Excellent work!
Hello Kev
sellout
Yep
Vadim put more effort into this video then the devs put into GTA:DE
Hello, KeV3n!
when you look at these "definitive" editions side by side with original one, you can actually appreciate how much love and time was put in by the original devs. You can imagine one of the devs thinking about a feature not working right while going to sleep and the solution clicked up to them and they wrote in down a paper and fixed it the next day. They actually loved their game instead of just being cash hungry
Bro.. you made a mother eat her baby...
But yeah the definitive edition sucks.
“You can imagine one of the (original) devs thinking about a feature not working right while going to sleep” oh you poor clueless soul
And these people who made the remaster dare to rename themselves after Grove Street…
facts here. the og devs put some passion, love, and respect. They know all about the quality, the new devs acts more like a dude who needs of money and they fucking can't fix some issue's
@@XxExtremeSamX yeah lol, I think they should renamed: "The piece of shit studios"
It's almost ASMR listening to such a smooth masterclass in garbage examination.
Ea makes makes shit games to
I have finished Vice City and San Andreas Definitive Edition walkthrough and I totally agree with this video. Thanks Vadim/Badger.
I don't even have a mood to start with GTA 3 Defective Edition.
Yooo jizzy you here too homie!!
Hello Jizzy
gta 3 is by far the worst of them all… could barely get behind the third mission without loosing my mind.
You da man man
I haven't even finished any of the Definitive Editions. Partly because I can't stand looking at the character models, and the visuals are overall pretty inconsistent. I'd rather just go back and play the originals!
Basically:
It there's ANYTHING that looks good in this game, It's only thanks to Unreal Engine.
And thanks to the original features too
I would also mention some minor additions to the map and renewed vegetation that really look much closer to original than any mods, if only half of the new additional assets weren't inappropriate anachronisms that violate the lore. Grove Street Games either didn't care much or simply weren't competent enough, or both.
@@FootLettuce If they work properly that is
If there's anything that looks shitty like the reflections and volumetric clouds, that's also thanks to Unreal Engine.
and the upscaler
The worst thing about the D.E. wasn't the game itself or its flaws; its the blind supporters.
"its a remaster not a remake"
"quit living in the past, it looks good"
etc.
No standards with some people
Only graphic suckers who thinks this remaster Its really good😂
We r right stop living in the past just enjoy the game y’all got like damn
@@ZachFord12345 Take your own advice.
@@ZachFord12345the past is better
I couldn't even imagine how good the Open source project would've looked. We have extremely talented modders, but what did they get in return of fixing their games for decades? a freaking lawsuit
I still have a backup of 3 RE and VC RE and I believe SA RE is in the works too. Not 100% sure, though.
@@CAPTAIN_CLOCK yea, sa re was in the works but because of the lawsuit i don't know if they're gonna be able to make it
People standards have became way too low in the gaming community. The fact that anyone finds this acceptable blows my mind. I guess games being complete and functioning at launch is an 'oldschool' thing, and nowadays people enjoy cheap, lazy, and broken games that are sometimes copy and pastes of their predecessors.
Developers have taken endless updates with patches after release for granted. It's fine for the bigger, more complex games to have patches to correct minor glitches but too many games nowadays need far more which is unacceptable. Play testing seems to be a forgotten or wasted part of development.
Preorder mentality
I have yet to see anyone who says this ported game is good, even after the patches. I’m so happy I didn’t buy this trash
I somewhat disagree. If anything people obsess about good next gen graphics too much tbh lol. I don't think many people who played this game for a few hours were like "this looks so graphically intensive!". That's a small minority of people.
Normies ruined gaming for all of us.
Its insane to think we can say "At least they tried" for a company as legendary as Rockstar Games
They never tried at all, they said "Yep this is good!" and released it like this.
The moment these developers agreed to take part on this project they already accepted the consequences to carry the burden and pressure that they will receive the moment they screw up and alas they did. They knew the audience is massive and pretty sure said to themselves that it'll be an instant payday. They didn't respect the game, the audience, and the history of this masterpiece. So no, I won't give any credit whatsoever on these phony a$$ "developers". If anything they should start doubting their skills if they're really equipped to be considered game developers.
There is no effort put in this garbage whatsover.
rockstar did nothing
@@Maximus20778 It shows that the fanboys all need to get slapped really hard to think for themselves, instead of defending every decision R* and Take2 make even if they're bad ones.
id like to say that as someone who has modded his gta sa for years, junior djjr is defintiely one of the best modders out there. most of his mods give life to gta sa and adds details that gta sa doesnt have. personally he is on par with people like dk22pac and silent with how they impacted the modding community
I believe they even used to work together, or did on a couple projects. I remember seeing [by dk22pac] a couple times while navigating MixMods.
Absolute legends.
I just discovered Junior djjr mods like a month ago, and i absolutely love it
This dude is a legend on the modding scene, honoring the entire brazillian community.
The reason cars spawn when you move the camera is because in SA (contrary to VC), the game renders only what the camera looks at; as a result, it spawns cars in the area that wasn't previously rendered because the camera wasn't looking at that direction. This is also a problem in GTAIV, especially in highways. If you look behind you, there is a high chance a car will spawn in front of you.
This made me feel frustrated whenever I'm turning the camera to see what's around me while doing the Pizza Boy delivery mission.
Wanted to mention that on day one if you were on English and went to language configurations, the game would list "brazilian" as a language. We don't speak "brazilian" at Brazil, we speak portuguese lol
Nice one on their part.
😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@xCDF-pt8kj You think game developers implementing different language options into their games shouldn't know that Brazilians speak Portuguese? You're a spastic.
@@xCDF-pt8kj I mean, I'm pretty used to people not knowing what language is spoken in Brazil, and don't get annoyed as it's an easy mistake since Brazil isn't such a relevant country (most of the time people think we speak Spanish). That being said, my point is that they hired an entire team to translate the entire game to a language and mislabeled the name of said language, that goes to show the lack of care they put into the game. Again, no one is required to know every language spoken in every single county, but they hired a team of translators, but were so careless they didn't even knew in what they were spending their money in. Hope I cleared up the confusion!
@@xCDF-pt8kj if you release a game to a region you should at least get their language right
It feels like the intro resembles to those of earlier ‘GTA SA - Why Remaster is Garbage’ videos. The history repeated. Great video as always!
@Niko bellic What are you even on about, lmao
Lmao, that times was epic.
I mean it was the same team behind them both im pretty sure
Shut up
I mean it’s the same company after all
27:59 finally, the San Andreas Lego set I've always dreamed of
This is exactly what gaming community needs in this era. Every other reviewer, youtuber or whatever chooses their words carefully sugarcoating every inch. This is brutal honesty and i loved it.
No one gonna talk about how they ruined a very cool detail related to the gang war minigame? Now every territory is bright green/yellow/purple meaning you can't differ if a territory is weaker or stronger, because in the original a bright color meant a more dense gang presence and a light color was a weaker one, now everything is the same, very lame.
I'm pretty sure you'd find some of your gang mixed in with the enemy I think I'm remembering that right correct me if I'm wrong
@@steamyrayvaughn1412 that's right, I believe that is still present, but the color stuff is still a thing
I think there will be a second part of this Video. Maybe a even a third one. There is plenty of stuff to talk about.
@@ingo7131 this version is so messed up that you could make 10 episodes about and still have things to cover
@@steamyrayvaughn1412 I don't trust you, given your user name and my experience with Morrowind easter eggs 🤣
I would definitely want to mention something no-one seems to bring up; the lack of car smoke to indicate car health. After crashing a few times it's now pure guesswork as to how much health your car has before in engulfs because the smoke sprite is extremely faint!
Rockstar:"oh that's there it just gets hidden by the car model so yeah whatever, gtfo."
What? You don’t like playing Russian roulette every time you drive any car? Blasphemy
God yes. why did not one bring this up? its nigh impossible to gauge car health accurately until you're on fire and bailing.
Bruh i noticed this but thought it was just me
@@GreenSabre187 Grove Street Games* the people who can't code...
Where is part 2
I think the most unforgivable thing still about The Definitive Trilogy after all of these other issues as well that I have.... It is the complete and utter removal of III, VC, and SA's distinctive style from each other. each of the 3 in the original had their own kind of visual style that helped to set each game apart from one another...
and in this release, all 3 games look exactly the same and completely lost their visual style.
oh and dont forget the removal of the original pc versions from both steam and rockstar launcher.
unless you pirate, you're stuck with definitive trilogy
The people who say this "definitive trilogy" is a "good quality release" had adopted stubborn denial as their coping mechanism to withstand the shock and disappointment of getting ripped off by Rockstar for this.
Yeah basically they cannot accept the fact that they've got shafted for being a mindless mass of consumer cattle and they want to justify the fact that they got screwed over just so that they can keep consuming.
welcome to any rockstar group on reddit when you say something is unbalanced/broken and they throw you under the bus and say your just whining.
@@FreeAimDog >reddit
@@supra107 it’s a weird website, you either have to be a yes men or people will pretend to be rick sanchez and try to argue and name call you for no reason but then again that’s most of the internet these days, was not like this when i was 11 years old getting on it in 2008.
Nowadays the industry complies with modern standards, political correctness and games make more cash if they are kid friendly. But people forget that original sa already lacked proper quality control and an awful pc port released because Rockstar got paid by Sony, even though Rockstar origin is pc platform.
Too sad we cannot witness back the era of great times and real games now everything is under political control and censorship for example it was a pity that Rockstar got pawned because of the great san andreas hot coffee minigame concept.. god bless those executives for pushing the boundaries of art, story setting and arcade sandboxing.
there's a real lack of giving R* their more than fair share of the blame for this whole mess, I'm not gonna act like War Drum did anything amazing with this or the previous port, but I will say that R* is just as guilty for the results of this for not learning their lesson with SA Remastered. Like come on, they saw what this mobile game studio did and then proceeded to act like that was good enough to bring on to port all 3 of these games into a new engine instead of handling it themselves? Actually brain dead
this mobile game studio couldn’t even make the mobile version properly.
That's a fair way to put it.
@@blaze8308 it was pretty ok and 100 times better than the definitive and the remaster in consoles
Not to mention rockstar clearly rushed the shit out of these last minute for a Christmas cash in a long side the 20’s anniversary.
@@CoolyCools Vice City and GTA 3 on mobile are actually pretty good and close to the originals, but San Andreas and LCS ports are terrible
I just don’t understand how it all got worse with more advanced technology now, it was definitely ahead of its time back then, but geez.
the truth is: Your hardware isn´t more advanced (aka faster). But only: Well it´s complex to compare. Modern hardware is just different. It´s using different hardware having to rely on other methods to get similar results.
dont worry guys, the second part will come any day now
It's really hard not to feel angry at what they've done with the game, not only the quality of the work, but also the lore, something that's important to the fans.
They broke the game's lore with those peds with shirts and non-sense tattoos, GTA V posters, anachronism issues etc. I feel more anger about breaking the lore, as it's not simply "a job poorly done", it's also a disrespectful for all of us. I see the game and it looks like a fanmade game, but not made by fans.
Anyone who "but see, this is part of the lore, because it's on GTA Trilogy" I disagree, I don't accept GTA Trilogy as part of the game's lore, GSG is not and didn't know how to get the feel of Rockstar North, I feel sorry for original devs.
Os proprios devs atuais da Rockstar estão quebrando a lore quando fizeram referencia ao GTA San Andreas no GTA Online como se ambos fossem do mesmo universo. A Rockstar antiga morreu e o que resta é os jogos em suas versões originais como legado.
then they have the balls to name themselves grove street games
@@wifelessyt Their studio is located in some street called Grove street, I guess. It's definitely not inspired by the GTA SA's Grove Street.
Sabia que você ia estar por aqui Júnior
@@Lucas66393 lol you don't even play gta 5.
Some of the most absurd things I've seen in the "Definitive Edition" are Yakuza members in GTA 3 having Diablo gang (enemies of the Yakuza) badges on their clothes and Vagos (a Latin American gang) in GTA SA having Africa map tattoos.
We give GSG a lot of shit for making a lousy product but personally I blame R* for not taking the time to remaster the games themselves. Instead of them doing it, they gave the job to a games studio with a really poor track record and expected them to make the "definitive editions" of some of the most important games of the 21st century, it's wild.
Not only dumping San Andreas on GSG's doorstep, but III, Vice City, and apparently more than ten others they were expected to "remaster" under deadlines. Maybe given enough time, they could've done the bare minimum.
Yeah apparently GSG consists of 20 people only… which is crazy cus recently I heard that rockstar hired a group of 20 people to work on the water physics for the next gta.
Still waiting for part 2
About some of the weird effects:
The flickering and pixelated effects are actually a somewhat recurring problem. I believe the game renders volumetric lighting effects (such as clouds, fog and lightrays) using a 3D voxelized lightmap. These things are pretty hard to process, due to the sheer amount of data points in a lightmap like this, the resolution is lowered compared to the output, and generally the resolution also decreases as the distance from the camera increases (this is called a cascading voxelmap). This causes some of the jagged edges around lights, since there's small computational errors when calculating the lights. You can even spot this in RDR2, if you look closely!
The clouds meanwhile... I'm guessing the game over-aggressively tries to cull voxels which aren't deemed to be visible? It looks like it hides a part of the voxel, if a polygon intersects more than 50% of one, which obviously leads to issues since now there's a hole nearly half the size of a voxel. Whoops.
The ghosting is a side-effect of something called "temporal anti-aliasing," I think... It's a technique where the game uses image data from previous frames to filter the image and repair jagged edges and also make the image appear higher resolution. Since it samples several frames, if something changes between those frames, it tends to leave some ghostly afterimages behind.
TAA was my first thought when he said, "ghosting effect." A poorly implemented TAA will do that, and given the fact that framerates seems to affect the taa too... Well, that's just lazy programming...
wish i could understand which problem you were talking about
have to watch the video again
understanding the explanation would be manageable if i know the reference even though i don't know the basics of game dev
Funny thing, that ghosting is almost disappearing when DLSS is active. You know, that DLSS, which adds ghosting effect in Death Stranding, Cyberpunk 2077 etc.
And the "ghosting in the water" bug Badger was talking about its a side effect from using Screen Space Reflections
@@Roalethiago I'd not noticed much ghosting when playing, but fixing my FPS to 60 helped weird issues and crashes I kept having.
That's why it called a Disaster Edition, they literally ruined everything especially the characters looks cartoon, some details have been removed or broken and they broke the game logic itself.
Hey, mr. Cheeseburger!
Hey, waiting for more mods
Hi mod stealer
They used some kind of AI to manage upgrading textures and fonts and it’s trash
Sad things is, I _know_ AI can do a decent job if you put in effort. They literally automated the process and _still_ failed.
This Definitive Edition Collection is the first game(s) I've bought where I shortly afterwards was like:
"Dear God, what have I done? Did I really pay for THIS?"
I paid full price for it too on release for about $65 (Xbox One Digital).
I still have these original games on PC when I got the bundle of III, VC, SA & GTA4 for, I kid you not, $6-7. So why I even paid so much for this... What was I thinking? Was I high? Who really knows...
Love this kind of videos. They are always a treat and so well made!
P.S:
To everyone and anyone who've created mods for these games for all these years, even though I've never tried any mods, thanks for keeping these games alive!
(Yes, this is a really random shoutout.)
Please excuse my rambling, that's just me.
you should try out mods
The character designs of the _GTA Definitive Edition_ looks like that one from that animated GTA Coca Cola commercial.
Is this radal ratio reference?
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Liked by myself
The graphics there look more legit no joke
That ad actually looks really good atleast better than this edition
I bet you that commercial had more effort than this sh!t
GOD HOW MUCH I'VE WAITED FOR THIS
yep, cant wait for part 2 in like 8 months
@@AlqhemyA fr
You can just join VK group and follow all leaks from Vadim about his videos in future.
I still have hopes for part two! Hopefully it’ll happen soon!
I was in awe at the botched work and the massive amount of info and detail you've showed throughout this video. Thank you for such a HUGE comparison.
This is the result of bad Software Engineering. Simply put.
Bad Risk Assessment, bad evaluation of functional (functionality, features) and non-functional (performance, reliability) requirements, bad design (or lack thereof?) in certain cases.
This isn't a work of amateurs, this screams like the work of people who pretty much do not know anything about software development, it's like they don't know what they are doing AT ALL.
It's almost as if a bunch of people who "know" how to code, art, debug, test, whatever came together and decided to start a studio... just cause, but lacking critical skills that are REALLY important in development processes.
Honestly, this is my best guess for them.
Most likely one of those software development companies who went from waterfall to agile without actually knowing what it really means. Have seen this shit a ton and it's absurd how easily people are fooled if you throw around some buzzwords. Or maybe they don't even have a structured development process, PM, PO, ... and just do whatever fits them.
Tbh, Also I feel like they were given a low budget and they were rushed. But yea GSG need to get their shit together because the GTA Trilogy 'Definitive' Edition absolutely stinks.
GSG feels like the studio is ran by literally child’s that started to code by playing that Minecraft coding game and thought they were experts at it
*talented programmers*
What did we learn? Let's not let ourselves be blinded by the shader and see what mediocre phone studio was in charge by the stinginess of Rockstar Games xD
Furry
@@KemonoGamer75 It doesn't bother me in the least that they call me furry for having a picture of my waifu xD
@@Julian513L your... waifu? who is she im curious.
@@KemonoGamer75 An original character created by a great friend of mine that I greatly appreciate :3
I can't say name is private
@@Julian513L Hmmmm…. I see then.
I feel like the automatic turnaround could've actually worked, if the distant fog was enabled in all weathers (like it should've been). Imagine flying out endlessly in a straight line only to suddenly come back upon San Andreas from the other side of the map, could've been cool imo
Ironically there's a mod for the original game that does just that 😆
0:00 Intro
2:58 Weather
10:54 fog
15:59 Background
19:31 Map
25:00 Conclusion ?🤔 (nope)
27:52 Peds
28:49 Reflects
31:24 End
they need to leave gta sa alone, every time they "improve" it they just make it worse
Restraining order 🤣
Gta Sa got george lucas'd
It's honestly insane the attention to detail and love they had for the original San Andreas. They literally thought of everything. Even stuff you might never notice...
It almost seems magical that they were doing stuff like separate weathers for each city all the way back on PS2.
I think PS2 was the most revolutionary console ever. And the biggest leap from generation to generation.
Ps2 was peak gaming. It's been going downhill ever since
@@robertharper3114 Nah ps3 and Xbox 360 were amazing so is ps4 and Xbox one gaming fell since the ps5 era
Ps1/N64 were the biggest leap, from 2D to 3D,a lot of iconic IPs were born in that generation too.
still waiting for part 2
it baffles me that to this day you can still see the occasional person or two defending it and saying its fine...
Well I look at it this way, if you enjoy the game and wanna defend it because you like it cool we as fans aren’t mad at you for enjoying something we are mad at the people that half assed the game we were wanting and waiting for this is why I’m happy the RE4 remake came out so fucking good cause that shit is lovely
I've done 2 playthroughs of SA & VC and 1 of GTA 3 on the remasters and experienced no major issues. It is what it is.
Its not as good as the og but its playable at least unlike xbox 360 of gta san
Grove Street Games already had a great detailed game to start with and remaster but somehow they still managed to screw it up. I still wouldn’t say that is their fault, Rockstar Games is the one who gave the green light to releasing this mess
Oh, it's both of their fault. Rockstar's part of it is explanatory. GSG on the other hand shouldn't have accepted such projects to begin with, given their awful track record with the mobile ports of the 3D Classics...
Just look at their work with the GTA SA mobile port especially, such a broken a mess, yet being labelled as a "remastered". It got a deserving amount of fan backlash due to how buggy it was, which you know, should prompt GSG (or War Drum Studios back then) act to do something to fix the situation, but no, they did nothing. The new bugs present in the mobile port are still present in the Defective Edition, and this could have been avoided if GSG could have at least check out the community to see if their mobile ports were okay or not... Now, they expect the fans to be game testers to help report bugs for their patches? Yeah, screw GSG.
Rockstar is a subsidiary of take-two . So technically it’s there fault since they make the final decisions
@@GachaB at least Gta sa ios was playable and didnt crash meanwhile gta sa Android crashes too much, and ps3 & x360 for sure, but anyway Android & ios gta sa was playable
@@Kane9000Williams it was just as bad what are you on about
Exactly. Rockstar put their name on this, and the developers they USED to have would have probably laughed in GSG's face when they showed up with this tragedy
You know the definitive edition is great when Vadim spends almost half an hour just talking about how they messed up freakin' weather effects
It isn’t the best but not as good as the original but yea I didn’t really mind playing it.
@@thelibertyking6735 I know. that was the point of my comment. there are so many issues that even just talking about weather problems takes almost 30min
@@thelibertyking6735 it could fill 20+ videos
This video would be even more destructive for Rockstar if he used the PS2 version of San Andreas as the 'original version' - the 2005 PC port was in some ways already watered down.
@@thelibertyking6735 you are delusional if u think the problems with this release were anywhere close to cp2077 lol this is still the best games ever made about 2 decades back save for the shitty remaster
Cj look like a donut,Kendl has not lay off the skin peeling,Sweet has broken neck and Smoke is now a rabbit
Great video as usual ❤ really detailed, and we can see the effort and love put into this informative video.
Also, I've noticed that they decreased the difficulty of missions. The missions became ridiculously easy.
And the automatic saving system they implemented kinda sucked..
Remember the times when gamedevs had to test each aspect of their games before release? Because patching literally meant issuing a recall for thousands of copies? Yeah, those days are forever gone now.
Yep. Nowadays it's normal for companies to release lazy, broken, halfassed games and if you're really *REALLY* lucky... they might make at least one or two updates to try and fix *some* of the issues.
@@Dave_Albright Even in the 90's patches for PC games were a thing, and plenty of console games would have later versions with certain bugs fixed, earliest I can think of is Death crashing your game in the first Castlevania.
Gamedevs nowadays put money over quality
Yeah lol. What happened to those days?
If there was a system in place for holding these companies accountable for putting out clearly sub par garbage and charging full price that would change it, but how that would ever happen I don't know. The only mechanism we have is to not buy their products, but people are too desperate to do that. I bet in a few years they'll start testing their games again and use it as an excuse to charge us more by claiming they need to make up the money they spent on testers "This game was tested! +$20"
Vadim M + BadgerGoodger = perfection
his voice is soooo good to do the narrator! great video as always 💪🏻 i was waiting so much this video about the Definitive Edition, it's embarrassing and disrispectful seeing the poor effort and laziness by Grove Street Games honestly
Badger could read a phone book and make it sound interesting.
@@StuartLugsden i agree
7Works is good as well in Russian version.
@@clementinetfsteam and I still prefer Badger's voice. And yes, I'm Russian.
@@Sherlok09 They're both sound perfect. Saying this as localizer with experience.
I never noticed how square shaped was the landmass until that shot in the jet and full map on display
I love the trashing of grovestreetgames. They 100% deserved it. What they did to this classic game is unforgivable.
And they had the nerve to rename themselves to grovestreetgames lmao. I love it
I wouldn't blame them too much. 21 Dev's working on 3 massive games under a short time in a pandemic with low budget, would obviously lead to a shitty product.
They should have hired a studio with at least 100 Dev's and work on it till it was an actual overhaul, like the Saints Row 3 remaster
@@hawken796 absolutely agreed with you 💯
It's funny to think that Rockstar and Take-2, with all the billions they make, didn't want to spend an extra penny more on remastering their game so they went for the cheap option and hired a tiny company with almost nobody in it, lol. It's fascinating. If I were rich and I wanted to become more rich, I'd hire the best company to see my old work shine through in a new age, not hire some nickel and dime store.
Rockstar definitely deserves more blame
As you mentioned the broken Carl model in remastered version, I'll like to hear you talk about it in this version too. Carl's model is even more broken in definitive than in remastered, insane
Wait for part 2
Think some of the models are based off Mr Burns from the Simpsons, like Ryder on a bike. Or maybe Moleman.
Great video man! The dry humour exposing the 'talented hardworking professionals' was simply perfect!
20:20 - borders were even in original game, but barely seen - you had to carefully watch waves on water and you might notice how waves behind borders were out of sync with square inside.
pure proof that the original version of EVERY gta will ALWAYS be the best.
I agree holmes
Honestly, you're right. It seems to be a problem of GTA specifically though.
GTA 1, London and 2 play best on PC. The PS1 ports are sloppy.
GTA 3, VC & SA were at their prime on PS2 and got worse with every re-release.
LCS lags like hell on PS2 but VCS on PS2 fixed some minor bugs from the PSP release, it just has this awful blur/ghosting effect, so this one is a mixed bag.
Chinatown Wars lost some of its art style going from the DS to the PSP but I feel like this is more subjective.
GTA IV & EFLC were built for the Xbox 360, downgraded on PS3 and one of the worse PC ports in history. PC version without patches doesn't even launch.
GTA V imo improved a lot going from the PS3/360 to the PS4/Xbone/PC.
So, only GTA V was upgraded with a re-release.
@@Manic_Panic LCS runs fine on PS2, on PSP it runs at locked 20 fps and looks a bit choppy. However it has a lot of frame drops on PS3 digital. VCS trails effect on PS2 can be turned off for a cleaner image and it includes some extra content such as a few more side missions and more buyable vehicles. Other than the Stories games, however, nearly every other GTA is at its prime in their initial releases and get worse with each new release
@@DJ_Thanos I can attest to LCS running perfectly fine on PS2.
VCS on pcsx2 is very laggy
and every gta game on pc modded is actually the best way to play it
18:48 Ah yes , Hidden Interiors Universe, one of the greatest mysteries of San Andreas.. The game had so well coding in original version to run it at the PS2 hardware , which wasn't very good compared to PC or Xbox at that time , so they had to make a big map , without too many loading screens but also extremely detailed.. Making interiors seperate was a really well though idea..
I remember playing the Xbox 360 version of gta sa (the bad mobile port version) and going into the hidden interiors area, and my disc literally breaking in half 😂
17:32
Oh my god, i just realized that the LOD-Fog makes the map feel so much bigger!
Excellent video BadgerGoodger 😉
When will the second part of the errors of this "definitive" edition be uploaded?I think they missed mentioning the animation and sound effect errors, which were pretty bad in this edition.
Thank you for clarifying that GSG are not the ones to thank for the eye candy effects as they're just provided by the engine. I keep telling people that too.
Good timing uploading this after Rockshit announced that GTA+ garbage.
Never forget that they cracked down on mods and removed the groundbreaking originals for this fucking travesty.
The Rockstar we knew and loved is long dead and decomposed.
@@DaRealBruner 🥺😞
@@DaRealBruner and their legacy is being desecrated by terrible market practices and greediness
@@DaRealBruner Yep. GTA 5 was the last GTA game for me. It was the last gasp of OG Rockstar.
@@killman369547 RDR2s single player was old Rockstars Swan song. All the OGs like Dan Houser, Lazlow and Leslie Benzies are gone.
They were pushed out by the parasite bean counters and replaced with suits who only care about how Profitable GTA Online is. GTAO was the worst thing to happen to Rockstar ever. It got hooked on that easy money and it's completely corrupted them inside and out.
It’s been a year and a half….where is part 2?
Can't wait for pt. 2 !
Calling it water is an insult to actual water... it's more like sludge.
Other than that I wholly agree that UE4 does fantastic things, if only they bothered actually tweaking values. That AO is plain awful!
Even the water in GTA 4, the game where water is more like petrol, looks better
It looks like blue hair gel
They should refund everyone, pull the "game" off of stores, restore the original version and dissolve Grove Street Games. This is the only way to go.
Strauss Zelnick✡️
Laline Goldstein✡️
Good luck getting a refund😂
@@lenol0315 what
@@obsessedredditor1399 6 sided star people run every corporation
@@lenol0315 every single time
Yeah, but that takes integrity, something that most developers don't have nowadays. Besides, they can just keep patching it, pretending to care, and a lot of people will forgive them regardless.
The funniest thing is that GSG demands you have a banchelor degree, strong debugging skills and 100% fluency in C++ to even ask for a job there, not to mention they also ask you have strong skills with other game engines like UE, Unity, etc. Lmao, I would never want to have in my resume those Defective Editions as projects
Truly some hard working professionals
15:06 that weather scares me
Years after the ‘Silent Hill HD’ remakes and the criticism of them the gaming industry has learnt very little.
Of course they didn't. To get anything past their adamantium/unobtanium alloy skulls you essentially need to go down there to their studios with an angry mob full of pitchforks and torches and hammer it into them.
They do learn
They just don't care, fixing their mistakes doesn't bring them money
Yeah no, they learned, they just don't care. They're going to keep farming out old games to small, understaffed studios with a shoestring budget and no time to actually do the games justice, unless that studio is Bluepoint. Bluepoint is amazing.
It depends on the studio/game. When it comes to Rockstar, the majority of the fanbase is just too nostalgic over them. Same goes with Nintendo where both studios can do no wrong at all. I feel like I've wasted money on Switch Expansion Pack and yet the fanbase tells people like me that we are poor and ungrateful, lmao. Yeah $50 for the year for an N64 game once a month if that even. I got it in October for Kirby and the game still isn't even there yet Lol
those are a masterpiece in comparison to this absolute garbage
I would love for Vadim to do a video on all the stuff left in the game files at launch. From what I hear, the Switch version was an absolute Gold Mine for beta hunters.
It's funny because Grove Street Games already did that before with the mobile ports. That's how the community was reverse engineering it, a lot of dev files leaked that helped modders like the debug symbols.
@@Manic_Panic So they already did it once before???? Jesus Christ lmfao, GSG is so incompetent
by the time part 2 comes out i am going to have to rewatch this whole video to remember what it was about.
2:32 Holy shit, that's a big knife.
It's sad to see that many people since the beginning defended this "Defective Edition". Saying that problems don't affect normal gameplay, and even outright calling us people "liars".
They say we're blinded by nostalgia.
Well, we can say the same to them, blinded by them "shiny graphics".
Thing is that the gameplay is mostly unchanged. The controls feel a lot better especially when first person aiming imo but thats all that was changed from gameplay. The same bugs and glitches that existed on the original versions are still there. Despite extensive documentation on the gta wiki, they did nothing about it.
The real thing we wanted was a significant graphic improvement, so that the games were updated for modern gamers. The game still looks awful to me and I'm shocked at how many people say that it looks good.
@@floatinghamstick it looks good on GTA 3 and GTA Vice City because it fit the look and artstyle of the environments... it only looks off in San Andreas because of the characters models being vastly different from the previous 2 entries
@@floatinghamstick Screw the modern games, gta v is crap
@@dist221 gta V sucks
@@dist221 Why out of topic?
Can't wait for Rockstar to hire Grove Street Games to remaster GTA 5 in 6 years.
Hehe. I'm sure that they will rename these studio one more time to smth like Maze Bank Games or similar. That will be funny joke in 2027, trust me.
Don't you jinx. 😅
Although, recent GTA V E&E re-issue ain't rated much either.
Was about to comment something similar. Yeah they'll probably change their name to "Liberty City Cocks" for the GTA 4 remaster and then "Los Santos Inc" for the PS6 enlarged and refined version of GTA 5.
One of the things I miss about in the original is that at night if you look at the stars some will form an R letter referencing rockstar games and you can change the moonsize with a sniper but both are completely gone in the definitive edition
Excellent channel, and great stuff again badger.. I got definitive edition, and the 'xbox 360 remaster' and always go back to original ps2, or original xbox version. 👏🏻👍🏻🎮
14:03 Grandma has jiggle physics.
Michael “You know rockstar the way I see it and hey I’m no intelligent business like you but the way I see there are two great evils that bedevil The gaming industry of the type that you practice.”
“Number 1 is outsourcing you paid a amateur mobile game studio to make a project above and beyond and then you blamed that company when they failed because you thought you were big enough and bad enough that you didn’t have to play by the rules oh number two is milking a 9 year old game.”
Trevor “milking?”
Michael “oh it’s horrible you wouldn’t want to be used for 9+ years just because of a online mode”
Trevor “oh absolutely not.”
Franklin” oh hell no I ain’t into that.”
Michael “no but we see rockstar what the problems are keep your tactics out of the gaming industry.”
Trevor “and when he puts it like that it makes sense.”
Michael “ course it does hey rockstar good bye my old friend thanks for all the good memories.”
Trevor “see ya.”
Franklin “bye bye.”
YES, this is it!
Creative comment,which made me chuckle a little.
@@Andreas444Channel glad to hear it funny how just a few replacements in dialogue and you can make fun of rockstar
@@HeatherJWilburn The fans are the real problem, not Rockstar.
They did nothing but whine and cry over nothing as the years went by, Rockstar isn't innocent but the fans aren't any better
@@waledilson2757 I think fans are the problem with most games I mean look at call of duty every time the fans get a future game they hate it every time they get a modern game they hate it every time they get a ww2 game they hate it every time they complain about the maps being too short they complain the big maps are like a maze but anyway yes like you said rockstar isn’t innocent but the fans are also to blame I agree
Still waiting on the part 2
29:20 I remember this video breaking down the cutscene where Patricia smacks Trevor for sniffing gas, it showed all possible angles and trickery. During the cutscene, you don't notice anything, but the lighting is constantly changing depending on which camera angle the cutscene uses.
I. E. When the camera switches between Michael and Trevor, they both look appropiately lit, but in reality, trevor became unlit the moment the camera switched with Michael, and vice versa.
Now, knowing that Rockstar painstakingly took time to make sure every scene was illuminated correctly for each character, these barely visible cutscenes are a disgrace.
It’s really quite sad how the definitive edition is now used to show how just much better the original trilogy is and that a “Definitive Edition” was never really needed. This video greatly showcases the differences of when a company cares about their products vs when they’re just looking for a cash grab. I really looked forward to seeing how these games would look and perform on much newer hardware and graphics engines yet what we have is a product that looks better and gets out performed by 20+ year old hardware. When RockStar puts love and care into their products they’re one of the best in the gaming industry. Unfortunately that RockStar is the original and the RockStar we have today is the Definitive Edition.
Maybe if the fans just stop whining over petty things and Rockstar stops hiring amateur mobile developers, things can go back to normal
@@waledilson2757 What do you mean by “petty things”? Also you are insane to think rockstar will ever be normal again considering how the three most important people in the company are no longer there lol
@@TheHardcoreGamer1 Those petty things are pretty self explanatory to figure out
Keep the original engine but update it with the newer rage engine on all the original games hell can do this for the original og trilogy 1 and 2 and london and could add 1964 with it.
@@waledilson2757 metal gear solid series is the star wars of gaming not grand theft auto btw.
With how many problems the remaster has I bet this will be like 15 parts.
It's the gift that keeps on giving!
Well, the Remastered one already has 2, with one more planned, so we'll see!
Well if we pay attention to all problems in more detail, I guess we'll have even more parts.
And we might get part two sometime in the next decade lmao
I think remastered version is finished lol, I think, definitive edition will never be finished of making "why de is garbage like part 3, 4, 5, 6, 15
I'm maybe old school, but i will stay with my PS2 version.
Nah you’re just normal. This “definitive” edition is a joke. Gta sa on ps2 was legendary!
The best version so you're fine
This is so sad, the weather being ruined was the saddest part for me and also the render distances
I can’t fathom the fact actual people have the audacity to still defend this shit and call it a good game, boot licker isn’t even the proper term for those types of people anymore.
It's the "but it's all subjective"-front. Objectivity is dead, when we see problems with the version it's because we look at it wrong you know? Whatever man, normal human dipshittery, yup you have been born into this world. Crazy how it takes people 20 or so years to discover that our world is a mess, and the sad thing is, it doesnt stop at videogames.
people treat things they like as churches or cults, everything is either 1/10 or 10/10 and cant do no wrong, look at From Software or Nintendo fans.
Maybe you can respect their opinion instead of shitting on them and try to act better than them when you're worst
I have bought nearly every GTA since the 1st one 2-3 times yet still I can accept when Rockstar screws up. I don't make money off their success or hiding their failures so why do I need to be blindly loyal? It makes no sense.
@@ThexDynastxQueen . Exactly and there's far better ways to play these games or there were for many years. Thanks Rockstar for delisting the originals on every platform other than your launcher. Can't even buy San Andreas on Steam anymore, just wow. Luckily I own the OG Xbox and 360 versions of San Andreas digitally. I own the Trilogy on Ps4. I have the Trilogy on my Playstation Vita due to a fan made port. I refunded the Switch version due to the many problems. I saw the writing on the wall, this game wasn't even close to being ready for retail. I didn't bother waiting for patches for games this old
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned anywhere yet, but in the DE, many of the rocks in the desert have glitchy collision. This can cause you to either go inside of the rock or stand in midair. There are also a few rocks that allow you to fall under the map, including at least THREE that let you re-enter Area 69's interior. This isn't a problem in the older versions because they either used much smaller rocks or didn't have any at all depending on the port.
Why even have “part 1” in the title if there isn’t a damn part 2 half a year later
BRO WE NEED THE PART 2 and 3 and 4 etc
Why should we when the mobile port is 10x better than console port
The original ps2 version had a sort of orange spike Lee style filter that made everything look beautiful and matched that 90s socal aesthetic so well. I will always be shocked and puzzled that they got rid of it even wayyy back in the day with the PC port! Same for original Xbox. To this day, I know I’m looking at the true version when I see the orange haze
man i know exactly what you mean that orange haze in los santos, the blueish haze in san fierro, the yellow feel of the desert, it all just added so much aesthetic and feeling
it feels like christmas when vadim uploads with badger talking. thank you for your hard work and amazing editing.
Hey Vadim & Badger, In the original release of San Andreas the lighting in most buildings would change depending on the time of day to show it was light or dark out where as the remaster locks in to day at all times
I hope Part 2 releases at some point this year
Huge problem I have with SA DE that many don't talk about is how each city has the same weather pattern and skybox making everywhere have the same atmosphere. In the original, San fierro and the countryside rained a lot and had a cold skybox and blue cold tint to the place. Where as LS and LV was often sunny and had a orange tint to it. The atmosphere and art style of the open world has been butchered. Glad you've covered this aspect.
Yeah I remember that violet sky when I was doing missions in the desert during the evening. This is something I used to love, never knew why
@@SkiiZa.Killah yeah I remember that too. Had a kinda magical feel to it
@@madzmedia2 3d era GTA games were a vibe. Like GTA 3 was grimy, Vice City was colorful, San Andreas was a special feeling I couldn’t describe, but there’s what I said about the violet sky and also the orange sky in Los Santos at the end of the afternoon. What makes me sad is the fact that LCS and VCS are massively underrated, but they were great to. These games had their own vibe, especially on the PS2 versions
he talks about this pretty much right away
@@madzmedia2lol did you even listen to the video? he mentioned it 😂
This makes you really appreciate all the work that was put into the original release by Rockstar back in the day, especially considering the limited resources of that time. Now, with modern hard- and software and more money they could ever spend they couldn't be bothered to release a product which is even working properly.
Every GTA game used to push its console to the absolute limit.
If only microtransactions were never brought over from mobile gaming and onto console gaming...
@@MrWolfSnack not exactly. Compare much smaller Vice City which is an unoptimised mess, to much bigger San Andreas, that is a perfect example of optimisation full of features, for a system that was released in 2001...
@@KISSbestfan You're just reiterating what he said, but in a different context. You can easily push a console to its limits with badly optimized code. You'll just waste resources doing so. It's how the 16-bit era was, and the same applies to the PS2. Every year developers would find tips and tricks and do more with less while not changing how much actual power is required.
@@Ikouy yeah, thats what I was trying to say
Yeah! And a GTA 6 trailer, despite being exciting as hell, does NOT for a second excuse this excuse for a “remaster”! >:(
A lot of the reflection issues are related to the implementation of screen space reflections. It can be mitigated but the stuff like the muzzleflash reflecting on windows is hard to correct.