Ready for the Utah Coyotes? | Agent Provocateur
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- On this episode of Agent Provocateur with Allan Walsh and Adam Wylde, they dive deep into the current state of the Arizona Coyotes, discussing a possible move to Salt Lake City, the NHLPA's role in the Coyotes saga, Alex Merulo's potential sale of the team to the Smith Group, the status of no trade clause, and much more.
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Recorded: April 12, 2024
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This has been one of the best episodes of Agent Provocateur ever. Fascinating! Thank you fellas.
This is the first one I've seen and I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Guess it's all downhill from here lol
I was just about to comment great episode!
Small thing - the Seattle owners have no attachment to Amazon. The daddy war bucks for that sale was David Bonderman, who is more known for starting Uber. Amazon just has the naming rights for the building.
These shows are amazing. Never miss them. Thanks to you both.
Those Utah Jackalopes are gonna be amazing
Best episode so far--thanks guys!
The Utah "Poligamists" are going to rock the NHL 😂
I love Allan Walsh! All my affection for Adam was diminished by seeing him in NJ Devils' baby doll pajamas. I need another year for the image to fade. Good show.
Appreciate it, boys.
Great show, well done
Nobody is talking or writing about this, however the deep pocketed Mayo Clinic also wants the land and could actually outbid the hapless Meruelo’s.
Nah. Not Nobody. Not “Nobody.” /
Doesn't matter. Even if he gets the land, good luck getting permits to build an arena for a team that doesn't exist. Even with permits, there's no way that clown meets the time frame and gets the team.
They can't just outbid. They have to have an approved development plan. Also, I believe it's been reported, at least as of a few months ago, that they are not interested and will not be bidding. As for permits, I don't think that will be a problem, the city would want the district and I'm sure whatever deal gets done will be ironclad enough to persuade the banks or city. I think the real problem is there is no excuse for what has happened. I don't think Murrello is the right guy. Look at my Canes, They were the talk of relocation, lowest attendance, near last place every season. Team gets sold, next year the team is at the cap and has talent playing. Continue to draft well and bring in the right guys and its the exact opposite. Great team, 100% attendance every night, and that's here in Raleigh, a non-traditional hockey market, with tons of other things to spend money on and go do and competition with the largest college basketball hub with UNC/Duke/NCstate. We are one of the smallest cities in the NHL, a measly 460k in the city and 1.5mil in the MSA making us only slightly bigger than Buffalo or Winnipeg, and compared to pheonix's 1.6million in the city and staggering 5 MILLION MSA!!!! There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for not succeeding. Let's say an Arena size of 20k seats that means here in Raleigh 1 in 80 people must be willing to pony up the ridiculous amounts of money to go to the game, compared to Phoenix's 1 in 250. With those numbers, even with the team crap they should be able to fill half the seats and if only 1/4 of those were fans that would have been enough to swing the vote, the fact that they didn't shows people just DO NOT CARE!!! Now granted, MAYBE with the right owner, MAYBE, they could succeed and create enough buzz to bring in 1/250th of the area 30 times a year, and there are sports fans, each of the other 3 teams(Suns, cards, Dbacks) were all atleast average in attendance %, so there are sports fans who should support the team. To me it just makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE that they have gone through this. Again, MAYBE it could work, but if I were the NHL no way in the world would I go back with the same ownership.
Great show guys 👍
Dude, Allan looks amazing! Quite svelte. Good on you sir.
The NHL should make a tax related cap to ensure players can get the same amount of money in Florida as they can in Ottawa.
In other cap leagues around the world i.e. AFL in Australia, they have these measures put in place given how much more expensive Sydney is compared to other cities to live in. Its not that hard to implement.
Very interesting.
The salary cap brings parity in one important aspect, it allows the small market teams to be competitive in paying their stars on the same level as big market teams. That may work for those of you living in LA, NY, or Toronto, but as someone from a small market city I’d never want go back to the old system. It was brutal back in the 90’s having to lose our stars over money. The salary cap has its negative aspects too, no doubt, but I’m grateful it’s in place.
Absolutely this. I think Alan forgot the 2002 Wings team where they went out in the off-season and basically got a bunch of the top stars and cruised the whole way to the cup. It was a fun team but it always felt unfair (not literally) when they won. Sure the Rangers spent too and they didn’t win but that’s because they were bad at it 😂
But it is def the case that small market teams are more in on the the big UFAs and retaining their current stars in terms of being able to afford their salary than they would be if no cap existed.
This needs to be sponsored by A&W Rootbeer or A&W Restuarant.
Should change their name to the Utah Tabernacs
The Coyotes colors and logo would go well here, but with the Smith group publicly asking for a submittal of team names, it will defintely be a name change.
That's stupid waste one of the best logos in the NHL and the Jazz remained the Jazz
Why change the Coyotes!!!
Keep em the Yotes!!!
@@LAKingsFan90 So when Arizona/Pheonix comes back within 5 years they will be the Coyotes again.
@torontokid2727 ya i just read about it.
A new owner isn't going to want much if anything associated with Arizona. Start fresh
Great episode!
Calling it now; Utah Sting.
grew up in Kanata...used to XCountry ski on the farm land that became the SENS current stadium in Kanata. Now living in Utah. I am super excited for an NHL team to come here!!! Lets goooo!!!! (My first SENS game was the time they played in Ottawa 67s civic center wood bench stadium . :)
Is the ticket prices going to be high? Considering the 1.3 billion dollar price tag or is Ryan Smyth's pockets deep enough to keep tickets decently priced?
@@stephenphillips6245 Suspect he will spread the cost over this other developments and Utah Jazz. Keep costs down to boost year 1-2 season ticket holders. After year 3? Jack prices. :)
@@ADxG1369 That makes a lotta sense ...I mean dollars and cents..LoL
I still love that rink! Congrats on the team, go sens go!
There are those in SLC that believe that Smith is acquiring the Coyotes mostly to help secure the building of a new dual-use arena, and that his focus is mostly on the basketball team and securing an Olympics for SLC. Hockey will be a distant third for him, but we'll see how that turns out.
Yeah, we call those people "stupid."
Salt Lake City already has the Maverik Center, home of the Utah Grizzlies, for Olympic ice hockey. It hosted Olympic ice hockey back in 2002. They also have the Unviersity of Utah hockey arena which hosted curling, and the Delta Center which hosted figure skating. So no, Utah doesn't need a new arena. Smith just really wants a hockey team in Utah.
@@gabetalks9275No he wants a new arena, that's why he needs a hockey team to help him pay for it. Larry Miller did the same thing when he secured funding for the Delta Center, only it was a minor league hockey club he bought . Bad sense of deja vu here 😔
@@rhyta5042 He needs a new arena because the Delta Center's dimensions are not suited for hockey. Salt Lake City has already approved 900M in funding for it.
Olympics have already been secured and SLC has already set aside money for a new downtown arena. So this seems a bit cynical.
So with the ability to reactivate the Coyotes, does that mean that 'potential' team keeps all the old Jets team records or do they move to SLC now?
Merulo is never spending his own $ on an arena. That’s been the holdup all along
Mereulo's last straw was him not paying for the teams hotel rooms on the road. Hotels got together and forced the team to put up cashiers checks, before they would allow them to stay. That had to be the biggest motivator for the league.
If revenue sharing is 50/50 and the players half comes out of the salary cap. How does that work when teams intentionally spend below the salary cap. Does that not dilute the players 50%.
I have a question for Allan regarding a new team in the GTA. Would it really generate MORE revenue for the NHL? All the people in the area are already fans, already buying jerseys and tickets etc… wouldn’t a new team just siphon revenue from the Leafs instead of adding to the total?
So you think without the islanders, the Rangers would be worth like 4 billion?
@@gibberish5388 Thats a different scenario, since the Islanders joined the league decades ago. The market for hockey in the GTA is likely saturated, so much so that not only would a second team in the GTA hurt the Leafs revenue, but also the Sabers as well. You are not going to find new fans to draw in, just move existing fans around. To an extent, that's also the problem with Quebec (that and there just isnt the money that you would get from a larger market so its seen as a bit of a waste of an expansion slot).
The reason the league wants expansion teams going to places like Arizona, Atlanta, Houston (places where they have failed before and have been untested) is because they are untapped markets. They add much more new revenues from tickets, merch, and broadcast rights. And to be clear, Arizona and Atlanta failed because of the ownership, not the fans.
in next five years, expand to Quebec city as well as Arizona?
Very good insight to a potential new team in Hamilton and the Leafs are greedy and this is not good for hockey
The Arizona Jets in 5 years, sure why not
I think acting like the Cap isnt a major factor is just bananas. Sure, Management, scouting, coaching, development, drafting, are all parts of the equation, but without a cap there is no way the league is what it is today, as popular, and with very small markets having a chance to win. For instance, Here in Raleighbwe have a meager 460k people in our city, 1.5mil in the MSA, that means that 1 in 80 people must put out the cash to come to a game. Compare that to places like NYC, LA, Chi, Tor, Dal, Wash, etc... Cities with more people have more fans competing for tickets so prices are higher. More people buying merch when the go to games and on the street. Larger cities have people with more money who can spend more at the games. All in all, theres no way that Cities like Raleigh, Winnipeg, Buffalo, would make near the same $, and if there was no cap, there's no way smaller cities could bring in the Talent, especially nowadays when players are commanding such High salaries. Its not all important but the cap is most definitely one of the reasons that the NHL as a whole is competitive and succeding as it is. A major reason.
Utah Ski Bunnies. Think of the marketing opportunities.
We had new york and LA in the finals in 14 and it doesn't matter what playoff setup you have big teams are gonna lose in round 1 I mean hello the kings in 2012 were the 8th seed in the 1vs8 2vs7 3vs6 4vs5 setupand if everyone wants these big teams to go far how about telling the teams to play better to win 4 games out of 7 in a series
Utah Super Soakers
@25:20 And yet the league is run like a blood sport so the talent gets too injured to do what they're fully capable of. Does anyone else see this cycle of self-destruction for the talent in the league since they refuse to properly call penalties in the playoffs?
Utha BEARS LEST GO!!!!
What’s the point if Gary wants to come back and fail again anyway 🎉🎉🎉
The team didn't fail, the owner and Gary did.
start an independent Canada hockey league with new teams in Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver and add teams in Quebec, maybe Hamilton, Regina and other cities?
Lifestyles of the rich and famous
How much money have the current owners been losing each season due to limited ticket sales each season since they took over the team in Coyotes is a bigger question.
The Utah Flats or Utah Yetis.
The name and logo stay in AZ. !!!!
They're not going to be the Utah Coyotes call them the team to be named later
$220 million and both teams have the same salary cap. What an absolute joke of a league. Every one of these owners should be wearing an I'm with stupid shirt
Salt Lake Stallions
They just better stay the COYOTES!!!
Utah Kodiaks.
Already have Utah Grizzlies in SLC
I like that, I was thinking Utah Yetis or Utah Gold Rush
@@mattmacknight3000 🙄 No just no
@@rhyta5042 lmao aight no need to be all sarcastic 🤣 we can all be chill here. What’s your idea? Luckily I’m not paid to come up with names just having fun.
@@rhyta5042 thats why I thought maybe they go with another name for a grizzly
I would say the trashers to Kansas City would have been better long-term for the league.
Was Allen ok? He seemed to have a bit of trouble pronouncing words
Salt Lake City $avior$ or Utah Prey
Sounds like the Coyotes name isn't going to Utah the team will be getting a new name
If $2 billion is the #, Quebec is never getting a team.
Rich people activities
lol the title card at the start of the show is hilarious
Bring the coyotes back later with part owner, player and Captain Matthews. He can bring Knies with him too.
Love the pod, this episode was fascinating. However, as a Hamiltonian, I resent Allan saying a Hamilton team would be "a part of the GTA". Part of the GTHA, sure! Part of the Greater Toronto Area, no way.
There’s definitely an absolute truth that parody is not guaranteed in a cap system, and we must therefore understand that with LTIR this is not a hard cap system.
Everytime this out of touch rich dude's Elmer Fudd accent comes out it makes this watchable 😂
Coyotes will always be known for Deseert Dogs.
Unbelievable..another failure on it's way ..so Betman..how about. Canadian city that can actually carry a team ... mindboggling
"A lot of Coyotes fans..."
I feel for the genuine fans there, but I don't think "a lot" is the proper quantitative qualifier there.
The NHL is the 4th most watched major sport. Why doesn’t the NHL wait until the other major sports go past 32 teams. It’s makes no sense for a league with the least amount of fans to expand before the NBA, NFL and MLB.
Because all those leagues have 32 teams having at most one team in Canada lol. The NHL has way more room for expansion than any other league in NA. There's multiple big metropolitan areas in the states that they aren't in.
@@killerfrenchy only the NFL has 32 teams bro. NBA and MLB at 30.
@@Kwolf1 You completely missed their point. The NBA and MLB both having only one team in Canada means that the 29 other teams are based in the US. The NHL having 7 teams in Canada means that there's only 24 teams based in the US. Part of the reason why the NHL is less popular in the US because it has a significantly smaller presence in the US. The NHL is the only league that needs to represent two countries equally. The only way for the NHL to cover all the bases is to continue expanding.
@@gabetalks9275 why does it matter if there’s more teams in Canada than the NBA and MLB? Revenue is revenue it doesn’t matter. Adding more teams will just water down the league even more. I thought the NHL was fine at 30 teams tbh. And btw your math is off. There’s 25 NHL teams in the US. And there doesn’t need to be any more.
@@Kwolf1 Revenue isn't everything. Revenue doesn't give the sports exposure. Revenue just means that the currently existing teams are making money. That doesn't create new fans. And everyone said that the league expanding from 21 teams to 30 in only a decade would water down the product, yet it didn't. Expanding the league creates new fans in new markets, which creates new talent pools for future prospects. All those kids who become fans of the new teams will start picking up the sport and getting drafted into the NHL. The talent pool won't be diminished. It will just increase along with the league itself.
Nooo! Pay homage to Salt lakes first set my pro hockey club “the Salt Lake Golden Eagles “, awesome logo awesome colour way!
I just hope that they don’t expect you tons to pay $90 for the cheapest ticket and have to drive to the west side of the valley.
Because I can tell you right now not enough U-turns are gonna wanna drop $90 and drive to West Valley.
Because the data centre has not made for ice hockey.
Just please do not name them the Utah Yeti’s, that’s almost as bad as the Seattle kraken🤮
Utah Temple Garments
32:43 fabulous!
I heard you speak about the players and owners but how about the fuckin fans... more money for them but can't afford to go to a game or a $600 jersey...for once talk about the Dan's whome always get gouged and prided for more bucks, your priorities are for everything but the fans..
Hey Adam. You're Toronto fan bias is showing. I can tell you as a Sens fan that having the Leafs scoop up a bunch of over-priced veterans each year, and then beating the young and cheap Sens was not a fun fan experience. For me, to be a fan of a hockey team you have to believe that the league is set up to allow your team a decent chance of winning. Going into the season as a small market team felt like starting a fight with one hand tied behind your back. The current system limits the disparity. It doesn't eliminate it. The big teams can afford larger and better staffs. But as a fan I can tell myself that a smaller hungrier staff might just be able to beat a big money club. If the cap ended tomorrow then I would stop following my team. The top players would be free agents at 25, and would know they could go join the Leafs $180M payroll and have a great chance of going deep in the playoffs every year. The Chicago's of the world wouldn't have to suck and then get lucky to draft Bedard, they could just ignore the draft and sign a player like that when he turns 25 and is entering his prime.
To me, fans of big market teams that want to get rid of the cap are advocating for a league without small market teams, because those small market teams would wither and die with 'UFA at 25' and no cap.
I like the fact that organizations are competing on how to build a team. How to divide your budget. How to prioritize different needs. Without that it's like watching a chess match where one player starts with only half their pieces. No thanks.
There are already a number of factors that make it harder for some teams. Canadian dollar. Taxes. Weather. Media scrutiny. History of mediocrity. Quality of life. But to me, those are just enough of a challenge to feel like an underdog, but not enough to make it seem insane to have hope for a team.
Empty net goals!
@@wilseph1 What's that supposed to mean? That well known Putinist & compiler, Ovechkin is the all time leader in empty net goals.
The Utah Missionaries. Think of the possibilities! Instead of point to point, you have missionary position to position. Instead of scoring a goal it would be delivering the pamphlet ( or delivering The Word ) Hat tricks would be The Trinity. I would go on, but I think I've been offensive enough to some people. Just remember God has a sense of humor; just look at the duck billed platypus.
Just because the Leafs haven't won a cup in the salary cap doesn't mean certain teams wouldn't pay 30 million for McDavid and still have twice as much money to spend as other teams lmao. That's not drinking the Kool-Aid that's just math.
NHL has no parity, only parody
One day big market fans will stop bitching that they can’t buy their way to a cup lmao
Very informative, but you need to step up your cadence.
Alan Walsh is the softest person on the internet. Probably has half of Twitter blocked
also adam's mic volume is much lower than allan's but other than that great stuff
First of all they cannot be called the coyotes. The name is owned by previous ownership. Second, the new ownership should have a name and colors already in the works. Not having just the name makes this team look like a joke to begin with. From a buisness aspect look at the millions their losing on memorabilia and team apparel.