why you don't play lazer
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- peppy took pishifat on a bike ride. and they talked about why you don't play lazer.
try lazer for yourself: osu.ppy.sh/home/download
lazer is the next major update to osu!. learn about it: • what is lazer?
00:00 chilling at the beach
02:54 mobile
6:32 mappers
9:19 casuals
11:21 pp
15:03 tournaments
17:14 everyone else
18:43 yokohama - Hry
I love this so much how peppy actually does interact with the community and i love his transparency and open mindedness, He really is the one of the game developers
of all time
one of if not the most
yeah definitely one of the game devs of all time
@Heards 🇷🇺 wait what?
@Heards 🇷🇺 ಡ ͜ ʖ ಡ
pishifat is a legend for making videos like these possible, excited for the future of lazer
pishifat is a legend overall
Pishifat is goated man
I see it
@@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormalfr bro
man i love ppy, he really is one of the best developers in the videogame industry
ppy the type of guy to play with the dev who made Kyanta Da Fight 2, Hakita (the maker of Ultrakill) and Robtop (Geometry dash creator) lmao
@@peterkilian9100 that really depends on the metrics you want to use for the discussion. He's very dedicated, he's top 10 for github commits, and he listens to the community, and arguably he built one of the most popular rhythm games
But yeah surely there are some absolute game dev titans
@@peterkilian9100 he's not my #1 but I understand why someone would put him there. It's easier to say with him since I actuallu have a name and face to associate with the development of the game while I can't say the same for other games even ones with fan communication.
The factorio devs made one of the most bugless efficient games ever so I think I'd put them above peppy
at the time of this reply, your comment has the funny number amount of likes, i'm sorry my friend
@@kawaxte Imagine going on Twitter with expectations
pishi and peppy touch grass: director's cut
This is exactly why i'm subscribed to the osu channel, this and the monthly lazer updates
same
"is pp your worst nightmare?"
peppy: *nervous laugh*
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"At least this subset of players is gonna just admire PP more."
"Look at the PP yes, exactly"
It should be i mean have you seen ppNext on the leaderboards???? We have like 1.5kpp plays there arleady wich is fucking nuts, i really just dont get how those players did that since their skill level really doesnt seem high enough to set those plays
@@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal that was just cause of a bug which calculated dt scores with a 1.01x multiplier like its 1.5x
I've always been super against laser for the longest time and I based these opinions on the one time I played it however many years ago, but coming back to it recently you can feel the improvements made to it and it genuinely feels better than stable in a lot of ways
Factual
it's always improving, that the beauty of it
9:19, on casuals, my friend who recently started playing osu! around a few weeks ago prefers to use lazer over stable because of its conveniency, he also says it feels great.
Keep up the good work!
Man I wish I would have that feeling on Lazer but can't. Have been stuck with stable for years, really hard to make the switch.
@@SpedRockt to me what really stops me doing the switch it's the UI, for me it looks too much complicated and clunky... I've played with stable for years and I'm used to that UI, with lazer there's just too much going on
I actually started using lazer because of the serious performance boost I get.
yeah it also runs better for me. just worse for some.
It feels awful for me that has a potato pc. I don't get half the frames I get on stable.
@@dreamywise8818 i believe they're working on a new renderer that should fix this, some older pcs / bad pcs dont support some of the technology lazer is using or something like that
@@embedyt I hope they fix that because that the only thing keeping me from playing
@@embedyt yeah, theres a guy that also works for Nvidia that is focusing to boost Performance for low end pcs.
0:54 i was NOT expecting this it had me rolling lmao
Obv triangle mhm mhm
what the fuck were you expecting ? this is peppy we're talking about ! xD
Plot twist: It was a sphere, so yeah, Osu was 3D all along
Skinning doesn't really work until we can import images to skin any element.
Gameplay elements are much more important than UI or HUD elements, since this is what most players care about. One example is Shigetora, who has iterated many times on his hitcircles and slider colors.
The file folder system worked because I could have it open along with image editors, switching between them easily.
I could iterate on designs while keeping old versions with alternate filenames (a common practice).
When it came time to test skins, osu would load up my skin quickly and I would play through without having to navigate tons of menus.
I fear that lazer's ingame skin editor won't make file folders obsolete, just more convoluted to import & switch elements.
as a skinner, I got used to the naming process and the subtleties of:
- color interactions between slider borders & bodies
- transparency's effect on hitcircles' legibility & hit animation
- size & transparency interactions in cursor trails (and cursor elements)
Lazer's new hit animations, as well as a thousand minor changes, will force me to relearn this. Thats fine, just something to consider.
Feature request for lazer skinning is as follows:
- resizing & rotating any element (slider body, slider border, hitcircles, cursor trails, inputoverlay)
- toggling slider end circles, long cursor trails
- transparency sliders for every element (especially sliderbody)
- individual animation speed adjustment with a text input (not a global control)
- customization of hit animations (speed, growing amount, transparency falloff curve). This includes reversearrows.
- allow users to sort skins by file name instead of skin.ini name (I ignored skin.ini names and now I can't find anything)
- allow toggle switches for individual attributes previously tied to skin version. Hitcircle number hit animations, reversearrow animations. etc.
- possibly support for old behavior of slidercircles in hidden? You know, where they had hit animations for sliderstartcircle and sliderendcircle simultaneously? This one's really optional.
I am no skinner but I do like modifying the skins I use, mainly bringing hitcircles from one skin to another. I can’t do that in lazer. I would love for it to be some sort of feature or way besides exporting, editing in the folder and importing it back (using your post cause it’s the main skinning post here, hope peppy sees it)
but you can import images if you want to
@@gonzalobruna7154 oh I did not know that
One way to solve the file folder problem is for lazer to have a personal collection of every element from your skins. If you import a new element, the old one would be replaced in the skin, but it would still exist in that element collection for you to re-use. This would be an ambitious change but I hope they end up going in that direction. Having old versions of elements with altered file names in the folder is another hacky workaround that ideally wouldn't be necessary. If you forget to remove them all after you're done, the folder is littered with renamed elements which causes confusion for people who don't have all the element names memorized, and also wastes storage space.
I don't think letting people sort skins by folder name is a good idea, since that would split the community in two camps, one side using skin.ini names and one using folder names. This would result in a lot of confusion. Ideally there would just be one name. Though it would be useful to have a utility that automatically takes your folder names and writes them to the skin.ini names, maybe as an option on skin import.
As someone who's made skins, I can agree with a lot of this. I just feel like skinning in Lazer is so early on that it's not worth even trying though. I would love to see that change as the less time I spend in Stable, the happier I'll be.
Lazer is my exclusive client now, has been for almost a year! I love the updates and changes that have been made and am always excited to see what's coming next c:
I think the fact that peppy is willing to participate in these videos and talk about us gamers just makes me happy to play the game
As a linux user, I tend to favor lazer due to compatability purposes, but objectively I am very excited for it. I have massive amounts of respect for peppy that he's letting the community be as involved as they are in the development process. I think that's part of what makes osu! special.
I love these videos so much 😭Seeing pishi go from a mapping channel to one of Osu's community heads is so cool
also ppy is such a legend
Bro, real. Pishi made it, and he deserves it. 😊
One of the reasons I love OSU so much in not only because I really enjoy the game loop and seeing my pointless numbers go up but, because the game devs do this crazy thing called listening and talk so much with members of the community.
Nah you called me out like that? 💀💀Anyways I don't play lazer because it's laggy and my potato pc can't support it
alternate title: peppy and pishifat went on a date and talked about lazer for 22 minutes
Jokes on you, I play lazer!
It's so comfy seeing them travel around and talk about stuff. peppy is the best developer you could ever want. Someone who actually cares and listens to the community of his game. I sat there for the whole 20 minutes and didn't realize how long it'd been after it was over. This was amazing.
It's really nice to hear a developer's perspective about the growth and development of osu!lazer. Peppy does some really great points on the development process and how to get things going the way they are. It's really inspiring, thanks for the video :)
lazer is surprisingly getting to the point where i can consider switching and this makes me greatly happy
one thing i've noticed after playing a few maps is that i have slight input lag (at least on multi threaded mode, haven't tried single thread)
Maaaaaaaaan I laugh so much when watching your videos, not moking laugh but the JOY kind of laugh.
Ireally apreciate you and your work, your effort and I don't know if it is you (pishifat) who edit the videos but their ability to edit videos so F'ing nicely is beyond me to comprehend.
Thank you for all you've done and please keep up the awesome work.
Also thank you Peppy !
I still use the standard editor for the reasons mentioned here and the ideas here are good, I just hope you keep expanding on them. The right click for the anchors and other settings for instance should all be hotkeys (i.e. ctrl+m1 adds anchor, alt+m1 could add perfect curve anchor). I also really hope there is map data you can toggle like the yellow distance snap text could also include data on the angle of a slider so instead methodically crafting a simple 10° angled slider by placing it and rotating it, I can reference the numbers in the top right after placing the first anchor to just make it 10° by looking there after positioning the 2nd anchor. A lot of data could go there that you could ask plenty of mappers about, we're pretty tired of using sliders as rulers for other notes (maybe you could also just add measuring tools that aren't notes that we flip around lol).
I'm in love with this format, such a creative video :)
This video, the visuals, the transparency and just the simple fact that its super interesting hearing a dev speak about their own game is perfect. Started using Lazer recently and after trying it a few years ago it feels so good to use now and I've actually stopped playing the current version of osu! because of Lazer. (easier for me due to being a casual player). Love these videos,.
A day with ppy and talking about Lazer while sightseeing. What a great video. I'd go so far to say the best one yet ❤
was a little scared about skinning because as of rn there isn’t much that we can actually skin on laser. hopefully they add even more elements than stable to make skins more unique
I’m interested to see how the skinner will improve over time, since there’s so much difference between lazer and stable. I like how gameplay skinning has been implemented, but the menus are very lacking in options, and I’ll be very disappointed if lazer loses the variety of the menus for the modern look that it has right now. Wishing for the best in the future! ❤
GRACIAAAAAAS. GRACIAS OSUPEOPLE. activaron la beta de TestFlight otra vez y pude descargarla
I loved this video! I'm a mix of a casual and pp farmer but I have enjoyed the time I spent on Lazer.
Thanks for the insight. I really do appreciate the work going into Lazer. I'm a casual player now that only really plays on Lazer unless I'm mapping or skinning. Every update just seems to make it better. (Although the less input latency has caused me to need an offset, but the fact that I can mitigate that easily and figure that out easily is a testament to how solid of a piece of software Lazer is)
Casual player here.
I've been following lazer's development ever since I saw the concept video (it's so cool), then switched to lazer when publicly available. Loved it. Tried it on different PCs, laptops, and even crappy ones. Works fine.
Best game developer.
This was amazing! I really do believe osu/ osu lazer is going to have a huge resurgence in the near future. Can't wait to see what comes next!
i love how he doesnt even hesitate to say that he just doesnt know how something will get fixed exactly and he will have to figgure that out himself first not like some other companies promising the blue of the sky all the time
Peppy is that kind of person you wanna invite to a coffee and have a nice little talk with. 😊
the only thing is keeping me from switching is the ability to select hitsounds for specific slider parts.
its really cool to do this talk while doing a bike trip
I don't know why but it's so funny to me that pishi looks like he's trying not to laugh for like the entire video
Lazer is very very good change, but for mappers i think there should be an option for stable and lazer ui layout
i only had two issues with lazer that caused me to not fully switch;
the first one being: the games requires better specs, i own a pretty old laptop and i can play the normal osu just fine, but Lazer just doesn't run that well on my old machine.
And the second being: there's this weird effect on the cursor where it feels like its not tracking properly, as if its hovering, it might be the fps doing that but its still another reason for me to not switch
THIS, though only the first issue for me.
Lazer performance not even being in the scope in this entire video makes me realize how poor my setup must be...
@@SUPERNOOB20 bro i own a thinkpad t430u, intel graphics and an old hard drive, shit pretty much dying at this point.
@@frskngd Yeah I understand you,, I have an ideapad 300-14 IBR
Not a bad hard drive or anything, but the N3710 processor with burst frequency not working anymore for some reason is just 💀
peppy is truly one of the developers in the video game industry
Never thought I'd see Curtis Yarvin interviewing peppy, amazing video!
i have been playing lazer here and there and while the gameplay itself feels good(but one thing i noticed is that you can notelock sliders?), the game just likes to freeze: searching beatmaps, improting maps, loading skin elements(which makes you fail). I have both clients on my hdd, but stable just feels a lot smoother in that regard
I was hype for Lazer when it was a new thing. One of my favorite features ever is the OG scoring in ANY mode. so I can just have omega points in Mania, or Taiko. I personally like the new UI especially with the skinning options we get with like, the max acc or UR, etc.
Having osu direct in it too is nice. Custom modes...it's basically the best version of osu, and can be even better with some small tweaks.
will probaly make the move and start the learning process, when the tracking for the profile is done and no Scoreboard resets
I really like how understanding PPY is to the old players even if ya can argue that they should accept change, with the people who have been in from the beginning... that is a tough pill to swallow and he gets that more than anyone else.
I'm looking forward to making customizing skins a lot more intuitive and easier to get feedback on how it looks and what elements are changing
Been using Lazer for about a year, I tried going back but the experience on stable is just so much worse. Really hope people at least give it a good shot and we can eventually have lazer leaderboards be the main ones.
i feel like the biggest reason why i'm not mainly playing lazer is because my PC is not good enough to have good fps on lazer even whith ui hidden while stable does regardless
I hope to see UI skinning eventually. it would be super cool to see all of the new possibilities for Lazer skinning
i really love lazer! im not a mapper yet, just someone who plays standard and mania, but lazer feels really nice compared to stable. i even enjoy the most recent mania skin, which is a huge step up from stable's default skin
Really enjoying these videos ty
Will custom beatmap backgrounds based off of skin be in lazer? I currently use a gray background in stable and it gets a bit annoying to replace all of my backgrounds when I download a new beatmap. I'd love for there to be a toggle just like using beatmap specific hitsounds or skins
As a no experience mapper, the mania editor feel a lot cleaner to use and understand but still have a lot of missing features. Can’t wait for further update :)
Being a casual player I like lazer a lot more mostly because of the in game song search. One thing I don't like though is how the beat map sorting works. It just seems needlessly complicated to me with the difficulty range slider.
Mania player. I swapped to laser like 3 years ago out of frustrations with frame stutters I was getting in the base client and a desire to get away from framerate based input recognition. Unfortunately back then Lazer was still missing a lot of features I took for granted in stable, so I just stopped playing. Just recently checked out the progress that has been made, and I feel like it's finally what I was waiting for it to be. Bless Ppy's endless persistence and patience.
I love how you set up this interview with different places and the cuts off you guys just going about doing stuff, eating, buying ice cream, and traveling about. Such a unique style of " interview" never feels static, great job guys!
I'll keep saying this every time but damn I love these videos, I hope you keep them coming every so often.
After using lazer for a long time I realized that the main thing that made it feel off was the snaking in/out of sliders, turn it of and it feels so much more like stable.
I think a good idea would be to have an option for mappers to switch to legacy controls in the editor
19:57 great way to put lazer into perspective
I switched to lazer some months ago and I'm loving it!
However I can't get the hang of skinning, and it's still easier to just edit stuff in the skin folder and zip it and reimport it... Like I don't know how to access certain parts of skins rn in lazer. Also it's super laggy on my phone which makes me sad :(
I was a bit skeptical but actually moved purely to laser around the time when leaderboards where introduced and hardlinked osu files(maps, skins etc), since Im not farming anymore and just decaying from 80k[started playing on 01.2020] and playing casually pretty much, just getting used to score v3 and overall laser things (I really quite enjoy snaking *out* sliders, when they are ending not starting, it actually gives some better feedback)
I was waiting for the official release. I think i'll switch to lazer rn. Thank you guys
i honestly love the lazer editor, its just not finished. stable editor is just a nightmare to use
Here’s an idea. Why don’t you add an option in the editor section of the settings called “Editor Style” or “Editing config”, make it a drop down menu that will enable editor styles for editing habits. You can have the lazer editor and the stable editor. This will change which kind of editor you use when you attempt to make a map. Crazy ass idea I know. :)
that bike at 2:18 sounds cool
This is the greatest osu!game interview of All Time
Thanks for including subtitles.
could you make osu!lazer hitsound individually for each beatmaps like osu! stable? or am I missing that option? because I didn't find that option in osu!lazer
each I turn on/off hitsound from side right screen before song begin, it won't saved for each beatmap/song.
I'm a casual player who like custom hitsound preinstalled with beatmap, but not for all beatmap if hitsound not fitted for me.
I think osu is just getting better and better. Slowly progressing to reach new feats while making new feats to progress into those feats again even though some may have drawbacks, osu always tries to go back to the thinking board and improve or fix something.
If you want more people to make maps in osu, you should let people upload them straight from the lazer editor! I made a beatmap using it, and it is really great, but I stopped working on it because I can't upload it, and when I export it and put it in standard osu it messes up the map. I could start from scratch in standard osu, but I don't want to have to boot into Windows every time I work on it.
The big gaming companies and games have seriously declined recent years which has forced me to quit few franchises alltogether and that made me come back to play osu more actively and seeing this sort of stuff made me so happy I decided to do so. Peppy, osu and the community are awesome!
to add to the metric of do players enjoy lazer
I as a player, enjoying lazer so much right now.
I love lazer and can't wait to see how much it gets better!!
thank you peppy u have made my last 5 years less miserable
I've played Osu! for years and I have never played Lazer because of the "small imperceptible differences" argument but watching this definitely convinced me to give it a shot. Thanks!
On the subject of sorting score, can we also sort by accuracy for us mania players :)
What's stopping me from switching to Lazer is receptor skinning support in mania. They're finicky or jank on both clients so I'd like to see receptor skinning support. And make you able to increase judgement line in the skin editor in Lazer.
Always loved peppy, but I have to say my main gripe over the years was and still remains: mapping.
I made a couple rankable maps/sets in my time as a mapper, none ranked. Why? - Sent to BN's only to be hit with "don't like the genre" or "not interested"?
I'm happy that standards went up a LITTLE, but it also seems like the only way to get a map ranked nowadays is to become butt buddies with BN's. I get they're unpaid and do it as volunteer work. But it's so annoying to put 30+ hours into a say 5 minute or so song, just for it to be ignored because "I don't like the genre" or "can't be assed to look at it".
I've given up on passion projects because a map got ranked too. The way I saw it over the years is that mapping a song with existing ranked sets/maps lowers your chance of even being looked at.
I guess I'd like the bn's to be told "let more maps through as long as they don't break the rules".
The way I see it, if a map adheres to every rule and follows the guidelines pretty closely, it should be ranked pretty much asap? Why not? People try and make arguments for "bad maps would be ranked too often" - 1. Who cares? 2. Even then mappers like Hailie have been getting maps ranked fast for years purely by being friends with the osu bn's and the like.
Note: None of that directs to peppy, I actually love the direction the game seems it'll take, things I hate in current osu have been polished or removed in lazer, e.g. note lock.
Some changes I'd like to see, although I'm not yet aware if they already exist: PP being based solely on accuracy.
Score is currently more dependent on combo, 70% combo, 30% acc I believe. This is fine, however, 1 missing a score shouldn't mean 0 pp "because you didn't combo". I basically want osu to truly stay more in line with the other modes and make misses only subtract from pp by way of accuracy drop.
"People wouldn't fix their scores" > 1. they would it's more pp? 2. This would make people care far more about rhythm than "I have an fc I'd rather overstream the end stream and hit it than maybe miss a note or 2 and tank pp". 3. If they left the score as is that's their choice. I recently set my first 300, yet I have choked 300 on 5+ minute maps with a 1 miss like 5 times, I would just love if your play was worth what you did, and not what you didn't do.
Think of it like getting 99% on an exam, that's amazing right? But the 1 question you got wrong is that 1%. Current pp logic is "you got that question wrong half way through and broke your streak? You don't get an A (on the exam).
Anyhow, was a fun watch. Always nice to hear from peppy, just my input above.
This made me switch to lazer and yeah first hour of it I'm really liking it, I hope it does become the main client soon as all the main features get polished up and implemented
thanks for giving it a try!
@@DeanHerbertMooCow amazing you kept working on osu through these years, keep up the good work!
Still sadge that I can't use multiple sorts yet in lazer. Once that's in I'll be playing mania on there more. ( You kind of HAVE to sort by keycount and difficulty to get what you want)
hope one day mobile version of osu!laser will work better cause i am using iphone 6s so if you can get it to hit 60/60fps that would be great
watched the whole video, peppy sounds like a really nice guy
5:00 Personally, as someone who got into osu about a year ago and started/exclusively plays lazer, i found the new user experience to be good enough to get me off the ground. imo, all the user needs to know is what the circles do and where to find more circles, and the tutorial beatmap and intuitive ui does that well.
yo, SMG3 here
would like to say one thing about modding in particular;
what if there was collaborative modding? as in multiple people could mod the map at the same time, or add difficulties to it live
kind of like Google Docs or Sheets, I feel like this could either work, or it could be pure chaos
(I made this up on a whim lol)
Argon needs a better Catch the beat skin, it's very difficult to tell where the plate is
2 things that came to my mind during the video. First I got reaally into osu because it was the only rhythm game where I could find quite literally anything. Any song and I could import my owns and at the time no other rhythm games did that other than Audiosurf which is a vastly different game and sometimes that didn't even make maps enjoyable because the fast parts were just flat and dull for example. Second is a lot of players would migrate to osu when they can keep their pp from stable. A lot of people invested a lot of time into their ranks and they don't want to start over. I think this is a huge reason why people don't play lazer.
I just tried Osu! for the first time two days ago. I was watching a getting started guide so I downloaded stable. Should I switch to Lazer before I have any muscle memory built? Is it simple to switch?
crazy to see peppy and pishifat together irl
i am so glad the train alarm stopped at 4:37
this is currently the best video about lazer ive ever watched
The part that I loved about Lazer is that it handles Mouse Drift so much better than stable and has made me reluctant to go back to stable since I can't aim as fast as I can.
@Heards 🇷🇺 lost pen sadge
Pishifat is truly an insperation. Plus, our game dev is goated. I love you both and the game that you have created. Thank you
this video made me try out lazer for the first time, I enjoyed it so much that I uninstalled classic, the default skin is a bit hard to read at times, idk if it's the follow lines or what, but overall I'm enjoying it much more
I moved to lazer for over a year now and it is pretty good. The community is super small so almost everyone know each other and it fun to make friend and play multi there.
Gameplay wise high ar feel a lot faster to me i have like 10% acc higher on stable compared lazer map when i use dt mod other than that is pretty much the same and even better in some area like notelock. Now i cant enjoy stream map anymore on stable because notelock make a huge different on stream map. The only time i go back to standard is to farm pp other than that i will alway play on lazer
The only thing that keeps me away from switching is the gameplay. I feel it some different from stable and it's uncomfortable, like the performance ig.
I have 4 reasons not to play lazer:
1. scores there don't give pp, don't appear on the real leaderboards etc so in a way they don't count
2. My laptop doesn't seem to handle lazer, it freezes/stutters and lags every 10-15 seconds making impossible to fc maps. Sometimes stable lags too but way less often.
3. There's something that makes lazer harder to read? Like the AR feels higher on lazer on the same map for some reason.
4. I hate the new song selection UI
I'll switch to lazer when the fullscreen bug is fixed, either by a lazer update or a Windows update idk
I've been playing osu on and off for several years now. I tried laser a couple of years ago and disliked it, mostly because it just didn't run well for me. I've recently decided to get back into osu, and I decided to try laser again (I'd been keeping up with the monthly updates and thought I'd give it a go) and wow I now love it.
The hitsounds sound great and feel satisfying, the new default skin is pretty but also very playable (a bias because I prefer minimalist skins oof), and most importantly it runs fantastically. Even better than stable on my computer. Now I can't imagine playing the game any other way. Keep up the good work!