How Can We Combat Preachers Like Greg Locke and "Christian" Hate?
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These hate preachers are scary. And Greg Locke isn't the only one.
When their poster boy is the orange messiah, this is what they get.
I honestly don’t understand how these preachers expect people to come to Jesus when their gospel contains no good news.
I think they expect people to come to them...
Trump uses lying "bad news" to bring people to his cult. Why wouldn't that work for false pastors who are not interested in Jesus but in money and power.
Power and control!!!! Oh, and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
They don’t expect them to come to Yeshua, they want to enact control over them and punish them. They forget ALL have sinned. They’re sinners as well
@@lechatbotte. they are interested in fleecing their flock. That's it, that's all.
If you can make people believe in absurdities, you can convince them to commit atrocities.
"Do justice. Love mercy. Walk humbly with your God." Sums it up, nicely.
Very well said 👏
I try to live this daily. Well said. I paid for the car behind me in a drive thru. It shocked the people in the car and the cashier when he found out I didn’t know them. Just paying it forward. I wonder if they extended the courtesy to the car behind them, lol.
He is exactly what the Bible warns us about ,beware of those who speak other than love and acceptance
At least his ministry lost its tax exemption status because of his rhetoric. One way to deal with him.
He had a few words about that - turns out he didn't need it anyway!
Thank goodness I didn't know that
Oh wow! I hadn't heard that either! Good! More of that, please.
Laughter might work. He spouts vicious nonsense.
Some people are just addicted to hate. Live a good, kind, generous life, in contrast to that hate. Shorthand version: Be Dolly Parton, to the best of your ability.
I know a lot of gay friends who do Dolly Parton pretty well.
Nonsense?.
And the virgin birth, reanimating the dead, levitation, water wine thing, World in 6 days - that is what - rational observation of evidence
You don't think this is the Pot calling the Kettle Black sort of thing
It’s not just the preaching it’s the audience.
One way to treat others who essentially say they hate you is to tell them, "That's ok, I have enough love for both of us". Action always speaks louder than words. Be loving and compassionate, it's hard to be angry with love.
Except when they’re narcissists, then they’ll just use and abuse you.
@@pinkpaprika8410 from my experiences, when you know who and what they are, they can't use and abuse you. You can still be kind, compassionate and loving and one step ahead of them. You lose value to them and they go away.
One thing we can do is pray for them and ask God to change their hearts.
That's not going to work sorry to say.
@@Spitts44 I said it's one thing we can do. Yes, we have to out them, shine a spotlight on them, and push back against their hate speech as well. Jesus said that he has overcome the world which means he has overcome evil. Prayer is one good tool.
The best Christians I have met are those we don't know that they are Christians unless we ask. They don't advertise all day long that they are Christians and don't pray openly in the halls of congress or run around showing off their bibles.
Indeed.
"We do not draw people to Christ by loudly discrediting what they believe, by telling them how wrong they are and how right we are, but by showing them a light that is so lovely that they want with all their hearts to know the source of it."
--Madeleine L'Engle
Go out and let your light shine. Be the living hands arms, and feet of Christ and his mouth and ears. Some people will think you are weak and try to take advantage of you, but others will know you are Christian by your love. Thanks for your message, Rev.
Education
Critical thinking
Empathy
Teach Christ & bear fruit, love conquers all ❤
I'm pretty sure I don't need to be in Locke's flock in order to be a Christian.
Have a good day; I'll see you in a few hours.
Thank you Rev Ed. Your insights are helping to restore my faith (a lifelong disavowed Catholic). Matthew 9:13: "Go and learn what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice.'" Mercy as an expression of love, and not public displays of rule following? And I would add, and don't be like the Pharisees who seek power over others and not justice and mercy. Thank you for being a good example to this confused and failed man who keeps trying!
It was the judgement. If I had to point to the main reason I left the Church the last time it was the judgement of others deemed to be sinners coupled with some ridiculous rules not based on scripture (movie theaters were dens of sin).
But that is all we see now, culture wars. People judging other people. Right wing Christian Evangelicals entire existence revolves around judging anyone they deem a sinner while simultaneously excusing the sins of their leader. Their hypocrisy turns people away from the Cross, away from Christianity and away from Grace.
Anyone can go to church. Anyone can judge but Bible says we are known by the fruit we bear. Church is not a place to be stroked its a place about living for God, tobe instructed how to live our lives. Why do we get so upset when we hear those things? Jesus told it it back in his day, the truth and it made people mad. Wexare to live differently fro. The world. There are churches that will stroke you and just say to love but thats not all there is to serving the Lord. He expects us to come out from among the world and be a separate kind of people but people get mad. We need preachers who will tell the truth and not coddle us. In the end we will appreciate that they preached the word and to us the truth
And if they are being hypocritical and doing things that aren't right look for some other church. They all are not the same. I'm 80 yrs old went to church all my life. Hesrd a lot of things that I didn't like but overall the messages were beneficial. I cannot go to church now I cannot drive anymore and donot know people here. I would love it if I could go back to church. I miss it
@@margaretjones7954oh the Bible says lots of things ... One can pick out text to support any ideology
Love overcomes hate and good overcomes evil. Let Jesus fight your battles beyond that!
2 greatest laws upon which all others are based, according to Jesus:
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
Jesus then went on in the Parable of the Good Samaritan to explain that 'neighbor' means everyone else on this planet.
No codicils and He sure didn't mean it as a suggestion.
AHEM. CLEAR THE THROAT. POINTING A FINGER AND SCREAMING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD...AND JUST LOST MY VOICE. GOOD! LOL.
Good message! Thanks!!!!
Amen 🙏 thank you ❤
All you need is love, man.
Thank you for loving and living the real deal Rev!
When I saw the word "Combat" in the video title, my immediate thought was "Remind me what we were fighting about, because I seem to have forgot". Then your evidence, then your book reference to "Surprise the World", which triggered the thought of CS Lewis's "Surprised by Joy" which I mistakenly remembered as Surprised by Love! Well done Rev Ed. I'll need to investigate your book reference.
Jesus didn’t hate anyone except Satan; aren’t we supposed to love everyone?
I hope so...
I beg to differ. Satan appears when tempting Jesus in the wilderness and that's about it. He gets angry at the towns and villages that don't accept his message and curses a fig tree. The true "bad guy" of Jesus are the Pharisees and Caiaphas. He rages against them for being hypocrites.
In my opinion, the people who support these crazy pastors have never read the gospels to know what they are all about.
Luke 14:26
In my opinion, Jesus uses the word "hate" a little differently though than how we think of it these days. "Hate" here sounds more to me like not loving God first above everyone else, even one's own life.
Praying in love for our brothers and sisters who are being deceived by our enemy who comes to kill, steal, and destroy. I decree Freedom to the captives in Jesus Christ name! ❤🙏
I really don't like saying it, but I'm not sure that all of his followers are being deceived. Some of them follow him because, at heart, they have just as much hate as he does. Some of them follow him out of desire for power and money.
Some people follow for the same reason they follow a certain politician: the world is changing, the country is changing, and they can't handle it. They are afraid of what they don't understand, be it other religions, people with no religion, people of other races, and a whole host of other "others". They are looking for security and protection and they think Locke and his ilk, both religious and political, offer them that protection. They are wiling to pay whatever price is demanded for that protection. These are the people who believe they are "fighting for their freedom", when the only thing that's actually being threatened is their privilege.
Some people go along with what he says because other people in their lives are devoted to him and they don't want to rock the boat. This is the group that will stand by while atrocities are committed, because they fear backlash if they speak out. They may not participate, but they will ultimately be held just as responsible as those who commit them. "First they came for the Socialists..."
For what it's worth. If you can convince people of your and their absurdities, you can convince them to commit atrocities.
Voltaire?
That's what I warn my mother about it will be those sitting around her in church who do harm, not their cult leader.
Yes. It was Voltaire
@@revedtrevors4961
😉
We Need More People Like Rev. Ed Trevors And The Most Rev. Michael Curry (Presiding Bishop Of The Episcopal Church Of The United States) And A Lot Fewer Folks Like Greg Locke And Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Thank you for your words. I do struggle with religion at times. I see the fear mongering and judgemental folk and i get discouraged. Its nice to see folks preaching love and acceptance.
I feel the same way.
Overcome evil with good.
Thanks, Rev!!🙋🏻♀️💝🖖🏽
LOVE, TRUTH and GRACE ❤
Thank you. It’s hard to see that guy and remain positive
Surprise the world with some sort of goodness. I like that idea!
Addendum:
I looked up the title: Surprise the World, by Michael Frost. That surprised me! I immediately thought that a book with such a title was written by a woman.
(I am not Christian..or any other religion) .. that said,.I must say, ."This world needs more Jimmy Carters and fewer Jimmy Swaggarts.."
Proselytize through your actions. I helped a young woman load things into her car. She was surprised, and told me what a nice guy I am. I told her, that not a nice man, just a good christian.
Speaking of reading books: Instead of giving up something for Lent, take something on which will improve you or the life of others. I have read the works of C. S. Lewis, and several saints, in the past, or organized spring yard cleanups for people who can no longer do it for themselves.
Nailed it
He is one of a few. They don't understand what they are doing and they will be held accountable one day. I have seen the enemy destroy ministers and the church fail leaving many lost. They forget who they are and Jesus doesn't need them to criticize others. They are leading others down a hole they don't want to go. The people following them will say my pastor said and don't realize they are responsible too. May God have all the glory.
Remove their tax exemptions.
I'd actually have to go read what that entails again because I've forgotten, however to the best of my recollection it's doable.
Thank you👌✌️
On "being the real deal"... This channel on CZcams is one of my favorites. I agree with almost everything here. Occasionally I'll throw my 2¢'s worth into the dialog.
But on other channels that are more staunchly conservative Christian, or atheist, even just scientific, I frequently raise serious objections to the content of the video. Then others respond to my comments and we get a sort of pen-pal thing going back and forth. I'm pretty good at arguing my positions, and it seems to me that when I get one of those responses that is a clear attempt to insult me, rather than take it personally, I see it as a sign that my argument was so good they couldn't combat it, and out of frustration, lash out at me instead. At that point, I figure I've won.
I make every effort to ignore the insult (like "I need to learn how to write") in large part, because I am secure in who I am and in my abilities, and in my relationship with our Divine Father-friend. I also avoid snark, or other forms of insult towards others. Admittedly, when email first came along, I was guilty of lashing out at people I couldn't see and disagreed with. A bit later, on one job, I would get requests from my "customers" (folks in QA) that were illogical and had atrocious grammar. And I responded in some inappropriate ways. I got my hand slapped a couple times and I learned not to do that anymore. Oddly enough, those annoying sorts of emails stopped happening, as though it was a test and I had just passed it, thus mastering the lesson.
And now the Father is training me on how to model right behavior to my fellows. I attempt to teach, not bully. And for some sort-of insults that are related to something I like, I lean into them, which seems to improve the oratorical dynamic.
Thank you!
Simple, know the Word and follow The Spirit, love like Christ!!!!!
There are people who, when wake up in the morning, their first question is: "Who should I hate today?" Then, they go and join Locke or others like him. Locke is not a cause - he is an effect. He is a product with a large market.
BTW, I CAN'T JUMP UP AND DOWN. BODY WON'T LET ME. IF I COULD, I WOULD.
Willful ignorance has become the norm
And Rev Ed as you might've witnessed first hand when we come across individuals claiming to be telling the real truth As they See it, remembering to be calm like Jesus, especially because we don't speak with the same kind of authority, how things can escalate quickly
Because many of them would die defending their Truth, and happily take you with them
Plus have an entourage
Becomes the beginning of a Street Fight for Lord for Heavens sake
Which seems like a terrible sequel to The Outsiders or Gangs of New York
How can so many claim to be Christian but spit in the face 😈 of His examples of compassion and to understanding?
Discernment pie 🥧 at my next dinner party 🎉 😂
Since God gives us freedom of choice there will always be some who chose to do wrong. So we must know our teachings of Jesus to such a degree that we can discern good from evil and then make each and every choice carefully. With christ as the standard, we have guidelines.
Those ones will also always try to convince others that THEY are making the right choices, the ones that WANT to walk in judgment and anger will hear that call and follow because they have free will.
You are living in an end time and people like him will fly for a moment. As long as he gets money and support, he will continue.
Jesus would put Greg Locke in his place, if they were to meet face to face!
Wonder why Jesus can't control Locke or Trump?? Too busy? Disinterested? Doesn't care? or Doesn't exist? Which one is it>
This goes back to the days of Father Coughlin on the radio vs FDR.
I haven't thought about that in a long time
Put together a large group of people and stand outside Locke's tent 24 hours a day reciting the Beatitudes.
I think Neil Young said it's gonna take a Lotta love to change the way things are
The Master must be shaking his head at the shear stupidity of it all.
That wouldn't surprise me at all
Preach Christ always. Use words only when necessary because false prophets have made the words too cheap.
hmmmm.... Whoa
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My part involves openly fuming about Christian tendencies towards child molestation and criminality and doing my best to make it shameful and not positive to claim. I've experienced so much hate and awfulness and I don't want to have people claim associating with that is a social benefit.
I am a witch of sorts.
Don’t forget the Harry Potter book burning.
But to Locke and their ilk,the line from Pink Floyd's"The Wall" about "We Don"t Need No Education" sadly rings true!!😢😮
I personally have walked away from the church because of people like this.
I was born with a intersex condition that has caused me a life time of health issues. I had stage three cancer, massive surgeries and many other things related to this.
One minister told me in front of her little group of fools that a ancestor of mine committed a sin , she did say what sin just a sin, as a result God place a curse on my family causing to be born this way. If I prayed to her she would ask God to heal me and return me to being a man. Of course I got a good laugh out of that and walked away.
I will never be back nor will any of my family.
Im fine with who I am as a human being there is nothing that needs to be fixed. She can take her god and leave us alone.
I guess Paul is just an inconvenient voice to Locke...
* For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Galatians 5:14)
Jesus Christ is the anti-trump! Jesus is the Prince of Peace 🕊
So you are deciding who is Christian or not?
Let me summarize what scares me about Locke, he's not the only one but he's a big example, frankly I sincerely believe he's a bad day away from taking a page from Salem on those supposed witches. While your right the best counte4 is to live as God commands us I pray the FBI is watching for when he snaps to save the innocent.
Locke found a path to success and he is taking it. In the punk rock world we call that “selling out”, in Christianity it’s “selling your soul”.
hmmmm...
Since this is a "Christian-on-Christian" thing, I don't have a dog in the hunt. There are right-wing Christians out there who are far more subtle and influential than the subject preacher -- and those concern me more.
Jack Hibbs is another one I just found out about.
Don't ya love these easy questions?
For sure
Definitely show people that Christians aren't supposed to be hateful, and rest assured that God has a plan for him. I hope it's good things..
"Real Christianity" - hardly two groups define this the same anywhere. We have a "human" problem. Anger and hate spewing from angry and hateful people. I don't see Jesus or God intervening against Trumpism or anger and hate or racism, etc.
Locke's book “Revival,” based on his master’s thesis in seminary says; “The most important awakening in church history has begun.” and "The lukewarm American Church will not survive what's coming. The apathy is sickening!!!" So, Locke has taken the FOX News model and applied it to his so called ministry - He's loud and boisterous and he doesn’t use his power for anything other than name-calling and hateful rhetoric. But like FOX News, it works because folks are so lacking leadership and directions from any aspect of society that they will latch onto anything, even the likes of Locke and his partners. However, Locke may have a valid point about the traditional American church's not surviving.
Wait, if he wrote a thesis, that means he had a college degree. What college is teaching this type of hate? So I can call them and ask.
The 'Fox News' model isn't new. It has always been the way of the USAMERICAN and churches.
Self-righteousness, bigotry, racism and loudness. The majority has rejected Jesus as being ' woke'. The more you hate and judge the other, the more righteous.
Trump is seen as 'the real messiah '.How many in this comment share some of the sentiments of these Christians? How many experience a visceral clutch when the topic of ' the border' is raised, abortion, immigration or, sees a 'pride flag '.
@@ericwilliams1659 His thesis is on "awakening". His "act" came after when he saw how other mega church showmen ministers were packing the pews.
Ridicule is a weapon known and used against tyrants great and petty for more millennia than are written in history. It has much to recommend it: sheds no blood, rarely harms more than the target, and fosters creativity.
For Locke, Greg Marmalard (Animal House) futilely banging the gavel as the Deltas walk out is a possible meme. 😉
I ready a book called "Jesus Swagger" by Jarrod Wilson. It changed my views on myself! I've always been a bit of a wild card. But after I read this, I realized that God knew exactly who He created when I was born! I have always walked my talk when it comes to my Christianity. And authenticity is important!
There is a CZcams channel called "Star Spangled Fascism" that gives an overview of the past Fascists in the US, I'd recommend it for some of the people/parallels in it
Read Spinoza and spread the idea that Original Sin is still occurring when we teach that others are evil - and that God is offended by sin. A humble God cannot be offended. People will come around.
Being Christlike means that I let them beat up on me, I let them isolate me I let them. I was the girliest six year old boy and my family thought withholding love and attention would work to butch me up. Dad even beat me when I was caught playing with my sisters barbies. I was told often to off myself at school and of course I tried- it backfired with lots of anger and guilt. What would JC do? Just give them the democracy?
"Greg Locke is an American pastor who founded the Global Vision Bible Church in Mount Juliet, Tennessee. Locke has a large following online, including more than 2.2 million likes on his Facebook page. "
It is not his church size, but the exploitation of social media.
I don’t think I would have stayed in that church for more than five minutes. If you can call that a church.
“Avoid these people”
The Book of Revelation criticizes the church in Laodicea for being "neither hot nor cold." I think this is a legitimate criticism of "mainline" Protestantism, but not for the usual reasons. If the "fire and brimstone" brand of Christianity can be called (without loss of generality) "hot Christianity," then what I want to know is where the ice-cold, supercooled, Bose-Einstein Condensate practice of Christianity can be found. I would like to join that community.
Was it his tent that was blown away? A sign?
Couple of times I think
Jimmy Carter was southern Baptist and a Democrat
Can or should one combat an APOSTLE?? Apparently Locke is one now. Lordy Lordy…what a world.
The challenge is building trust with people given the bad reputation that pastors such as Greg Locke bring to Christianity . I have a friend who has nearly completed a Masters in Biblical Counseling from Liberty University. He is surprised when he approaches people through social media in a neutral manner on topics such as the LGBTQ+, and he experiences a backlash.
Now, I know my friend is liberal minded on these topics , but there is nothing in his public writings (Substack) that reflect this. His writings are very generic, and kind of old mainstream Christian philosophy. As an atheist and a progressive, I find his views very dated, but they’re not offensive.
So, if he is approaching an unknown person, all they really see is a student of Liberty University. Given its reputation, I'm not surprised that people don't trust my friend. However, my friend thinks people attacking him are simply filled with anger and hate, and are lashing out for no reason.
Let's strive to walk in the light, be a sweet aroma to those we meet.
Be Christ, No because that is idolatry, replacing God with yourself. Be One with and in Christ, and know Jesus is God and is Christ, and we are one with and in God and in Christ, big difference.
I'm christian and very disgusted with the Trump cult. anyone who stands up for evil Trump cannot be for God too! and everyone knows what is evil. and what s good and of God, how can they be so deluded and deceived.
Doesn't Jesus say to love thou enemy
Creepy. How do they square hatred and judgment with Jesus’ teachings?
I understand what an apostle is but how would someone like Jesus who as far as I can remember (haven't read the Bible in a decade) preached about love and turning the other cheek be named an apostle by someone not Jesus
I dont know who this preacher is. Never heard of him but i tjought the word combat was interesting. Sounds like we are to go to war with preachers that we do not agree with.
Call out their spiritual Hubris publicly. Locke now calls himself an Apostle and many other self labeled themselves as prophets.
That is a boatload of spiritual ego.
Ridiculous. Mockery. Moving on without these superstitious people. Starving their states by not visiting, relo, holding events, or sourcing products from those states.
I swear someday I'll wake up and learn the whole maga "Christianity" thing was a long nightmare.
I said that to a friend the other day...
Or realise that Christianity has always been about denigrating one another
Make all churches pay federal taxes every year.
That man is evil . There is n Christ in him .
Something is so seriously WRONG with that guy and others like him. He's got them brainwashed to hate. I got a feeling Jesus doesn't care about politics.
if you look at people who have left cults, you will find that the reason is usually that they meet other people who by their behavior and life show that cult is false. the reason behind people leaving "organized religion" all over the world for the past century is that there are not enough communities where true word of God is communicated. those of you in rev. ed's congregation do not know how lucky you are. here, in n. idaho, i have attended pretty much every single church in the area and have sometimes had to leave in less than half hour because of blasphemy preached. most "christians" are the reason for the increasing atheists in our countries. same thing happened in iran when the revolution was hijacked by the islamic clerics. there are more people there who shun islam now than ever. as long as we do not follow the teachings ourselves, we will not be successful in being a servant of God.
Hate preachers are not your only problem. "Good" christians are a minority.
There is no such thing as Christian hate. If you’re a Christian, you’re NOT supposed to hate anyone. Christian hate is an oxymoron.
Just ignore him.
How to we wean the world off belief in Bronze Age superstitious nonsense, might be the better question.