Upcoming C&P Exam? Avoid These Mistakes!
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- We discuss C&P Exam tips in this short video.
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Matthew Hill - Managing Partner
I was fortunate to have a great person examine y PTSD exam she actually wrote down, and dig deep, and ask questions about how I really felt, she even interviewed my wife alone. It was rough going back to those places of darkness but I got what I think I deserved. So I tell all vets lay it all down be honest and lead your pride at the door.
When going for your G&P and greet the doctor, small talk starts, how you doing and if you “answer fine “ you’ve already lost.
That's very true
Thanks for sharing that with our fella vets. Every time I go see my va docs, and they asked "how am doing" I told them "not good". I learned that 22yrs ago when I was a private in the US. Army.
Not all but most V.A. Staff are veterans themselves, and maybe know first hand wHat military life was like. So you would think a little understanding, compassion, and not ready to run a broom sink up your ass all the time. They Weren’t all desk jockeys or remf’s who only got rounds off at the range. I didn’t join to get rich but my DUTY was to this great country not like all the low life’s that hid . Who in their right mind would run into a hail of bullets, jump out of air craft with 100 lbs of deuce gear, hump ammo until your arms fell off, and eat something my dog throws up. So my fellow veterans WE did these things for country, our fellow citizens, and family. Oh I did my share of complaining but I did it. So please veterans V.A. Staff reading this remember those days and give us a fair shake.
As a Marine, when someone asks you how you are, you ALWAYS say fine. Showing weakness as a Marine is a no no. Once your a Marine you are ALWAYS a Marine, that alone is reason for 100 percent disability. Marines have Less clout in the community than people think. You could shave your head and become a vegetarian monk and people will still think you are a danger. STOP THANKING ME FOR MY SERVICE. Ask a veteran how they are doing, if there is anything they need help with, let them know you are there for them. We don't need your thanks, a job well done is thanks enough. Knowing the community ACTUALLY cares, and isn't just saying what seems socially acceptable, thats EVERYTHING to a veteran suffering in silence. Trust me, even of you ask if you can help, most likely we won't accept it, to proud and all that. I would rather starve, than stand on a corner with a sign saying "help a vet". Those guys that do that, may be a veteran, but most likely it's a person perpetrating. Semper fi Earthlings.
Chadrach William yeah get yourself checked out..
Exactly everything the lady said is me I didn't know, made me feel like they didn't care and I'm struggling out here finally going through the process the right way
Thank you very much. I am going to pursue increasing my compensation. Very much appreciated!
I reviewed a few of your videos which helped me to be prepared for the c&p examine. The take away is to know what to expect and to be sure to focus on the key point or points you
want to make your the examiner hears. Thanks for making theses videos.
and just as important is to stay on focus, when the C&P Examiner strays off course you need to get back on course. KEY IS TO BE PREPARED, review your file completely. Know your stuff. Good Luck !!!
Thanks for the input I wish I’d of known about this before I went to my exams.
2:14 It's called the Criteria of the specific condition, extremely important to know.
Thanks for this video! Now I know how to act when u get there.
Thank you for taking the time to make and post this. I have an appoitment in two weeks.
Thank you for this. It's going to be intimidating for my cousin. These tips help because he is the type that is going to go in and say I'm fine.
You guys rock!!!! Double salute
Going in next week for radiation exposure and would love to speak with anyone who has been through the C&P exam for this condition.
Thank you for this wonderful information.
I had one exam for MST - the interviewer (doctor) asked me NOTHING about my time in the military - the things that were done to me, people (women) are now winning huge claims, in the civilian arena. Back then, there was no one to tell (Vietnam era) and to report anything would have only made the situation worse. And, as a young women, I thought it best to attempt to rise above - show honor. Unfortunately, it affected me deeply in the following decades of my life. I am quite embarrassed by that truth, because my own creed of existence is about overcoming. The interviewer seemed to be laughing at me - jerking me around and confusing me with fast questions that made no sense to me. After being denied, I got an attorney and will now, a year later, be going to another exam, which is pretty far away from me . I absolutely hate to do anything that resembles whining; other vets have said to me, 'baby, you better sing like a canary'.
Mst is a massive deal. They're right. Please stay on top 🙏
Ptsd from mst got me 70% unemployable which automatically raises to 100%
Thanks I was too Proud when I went for my PTSD C&P that I kept telling the Doctor that I didn't need therapy and my Harley was my therapy.....I was wrong.
Thanks very informative information 👍
Thanks!
Great stuff.
This was very very helpful. I forget stuff a lot, especially talking points, so having the form on hand when the psychiatrist was asking questions was a life saver. I had made a lot of notes the week before on the paper to help trigger my memory when talking with her.
Is it okay to bring notes to a CP exam as I have memory loss.
@@godsangel2429 Absolutely bring notes if you have recollection and time line issues like I do.
Great advice!
Glad you think so!
Thank you for this video is it ok to have a list
Yes I got a memo from my NCO that states my behaviors before and after deployment.
Keep it.
probably not gonna help much.
When I was in, you showed NO WEAKNESS. If you did, then your ass would have been dealt with. And I think a lot of veterans don't have any health issues until they get out, I have so many problems I can write a book.
Very well said.....
does anyone know the rating for "chronic fatigue"
I had a comp/pen exam for ptsd and the doc was late, wanted to talk about my childhood and by the time he actually got to the stresser of my claim he said my time was up. I got a copy of the exam and the entire section after the stresser statement was completely ignored . So I saw another PH D doc and got a second exam which comfirms the original diagnosis along with statements from me and my wife and appealed the denial for anything from the VA. I am soooo discussed with the VA I'm ashamed for them.
Same thing happened to me!😮
I'm getting a C&P exam in two weeks. I have chronic sinusitis and the Dr. I'm seeing is a sports medicine guy. I don't know why they're not sending me to a Ears, Nose and Throat doctor since they deal with sinusitis like the Dr. I have now.
Had the same thing and bronchitis tried to get copy of C&P exam that I couldn't because it belongs to the V.A. First 1 was an NP, 2nd was just a contract DR. Meaning he worked for the V.A system
About the buddy statements I received an email that said the dr won’t review anything that’s not in my va health file already . Tonight I’m tryin to figure out how to put everything I have in my health
Good luck Michele!
Can you cover retroactive pay? Thank you...
As far as I know you get pay based on the time you started the application. For up to one year.
I’ve seen so many of these videos but I have never seen a video where they address a C&P exam that’s through VIDEO CHAT! Can you make a video about that? I had one before and I’m going to do another for a PTSD increase. Thanks.
That's a good idea, Elio. Thanks! ✅
Can you do a video for skin conditions?
Can you please connect the form info
The VA has never given me anything that you've mentioned. It took the New Jersey WRIISC 3 days to examine my records and give me 5 Nexus letters.
The Saginaw Michigan Aleda Lutz VA is the worst place in the USA to go to...
I've been trying to get rated for 20 years and they kept denying, and the NJ WRIISC came through in 3 days!!
The VA needs to look into the dealings in Saginaw!!
Would you recommend taking a copy of a dbq to c and p exam
Going in to go see a doctor for a mental C&P exam I made myself look "presentable". I wish I had seen this video before going in.
Very helpful my husband was placed on 30% Bt my husband is mentally ill has been placed in mental institution 10😰x....we need 100%
Lung function , hearing and x rays don't change according to how I dress. I can't play the sick role . Had three C&P exams- involving hard numbers (limits & ranges) no doctors involved. Waiting.
Could you do one for asthma
I go for my exam in 3 weeks for a lod back injury that is documented. I am having spinal fusion in 2 vertebrae and caging my spine in 2 weeks just curious how this will effect my exam??
I was recently rated at 100%. Not p&t. Will the VA let me know when they make a appointment to receive my conditions?
Y'all better listen and take heed to what these people are saying, I did and got my 100% PTSD rating a half year ago..GREAT INFO and helpful to any veteran going thru this process..GOOD LUCK and DON'T QUIT...🙏👏👏👏👏✌#gogetit
Thanks for sharing, Will! Congrats on your awarded benefits.
Thank you I think I definitely have PTSD. However my mental health exam that's scheduled shortly is actually for a different diagnosis so I don't even know if I should get into ptsd-related things too much although I do think that's one of the strong underlying causes. Really appreciate the reminders I Believe In The Law of Attraction and I also try to be positive and not be a damper on anyone else's mood so I am often keeping things to myself or trying to be optimistic and always saying that I'm healing or getting better or in recovery so that my mind and body know that I want to be healthy and that attitude matters. However I also know this is a disparity between where I want to be healthwise and where I am at now. Learned that because of trauma that I sometimes overexplain and yes talking about things that are off topic or too many topics at once often confuses people. Had civilian psychologists raise the point to me that some of this might be at ADHD type of symptom due to PTSD and that's why it's more severe for me as an adult than it was in childhood. Anyways I'm actually praying and wanting to get better. However if I didn't have a pension it would be near impossible due to how much the VA has been denying me legitimate medical care needs. So I really appreciate the public good here.
If you have a Nexus statement from your therapist for PTSD are you likely to have a C&p exam or will they take that next statement in Lou of a c&p exam?
What does your office charge to represent Veterans?
I’ve got mine within a few weeks for an upgrade to IU, hopefully they’ll be helpful
Update: they were not helpful not only did I get denied I got recommended for a decrease. Fuck the va seriously.
@@stephenl2571 damn, that seriously sucks. Im really afraid of getting a decrease myself 😖 I'm waiting for my outcome
Hill and Ponton, thank you so much! I almost want to cry. The VA is terrible for the most part.
I went to my mental health exam not shaved, hair messed up, went in shorts, sandals and scruffy clothes. I reslquested my c&p exam transcript and they wrote i was well groomed and well dressed. Why would they be dishonest like this and what can i do? I also claimed my bipolar disorder and there is no mention of it, all they mention was anxiety diaorder when i never claimed it even though i am already service connected for it at 30%
Wow sorry to hear that Jonathan. In situations like this, we think it could be worth looking into having someone you know who saw you before the exam write a statement in support of your claim and detailing how they saw you. All too often we see C&P examiners going down a checklist without speaking much with the veteran.
I filed a VA claim 4 years ago for rotar cuff pain with degenerated arthritis it happen in the military 40 years ago they have it in there medical records I have been denied 4 times now I'm going through a Supplemental appeal they called me for a second C&P exam is that common ??
I was just told that my depression was not service connected I have been dealing with chronic pain since I hurt my back from a fall in the military. I have not been able to hold a job because of the pain causing me to miss work and being left go due to missing to much work. I don't shower very often and I wear the same clothes for days. I am tired of fighting the VA and pray for death every night before bed hoping to not wake up the next day. I think I might need the help of an attorney.
Dam john, your letter reads exactly how my life has been. I just had spinal surgery after decades of back pain and THEY ignore both my regular mental health providers that diagnosed me with ptsd and depression, AND, all the meds i've been prescribed, that they pay for. One idiot dr. That got upset because i didn't remember him cured me in 45 minutes. Meanwhile, im still being treated for it.
Im having mine next week for a physical problem so should I bring my boyfriend as a witness to help explain my pain?
I went for an increase last week. I'm freaking out because I'm unsure of how I did. I currently get 50% for PTSD, but since my last exam, I've gotten worse, suicide attempts, etc. She asked me how I was and she responded with I'm sure "as good as could be expected?" I didn't answer because why the fuck would I be here if I was having a good day? If my life were good, i wouldn't be here, I thought. I'm afraid because I don't know if I said the right things or not. I've been going to counseling after a suicide attempt a year ago. And was honest with the examiner.
She asked do you have anxiety: I told her about how I have so much anxiety and depression that I couldn't even attend my daughter's games or drive long distances, etc. And how I avoid going to the grocery store during the day because I have so much anxiety around other people. And I always feel people are looking at me (I was a paratrooper and standing in line makes me deathly nervous).
I told her I have no interpersonal relationships because of the anxiety and depression.
I told her about the 7 medication I take a day because of the PTSD.
I told her I don't have a girlfriend or wife because I can't get close to anyone.
And in the end, she said: "Is there anything else you'd like me to know?"
I went on to emphasize the impact that this cluster of disabilities has had on my life (PTSD with anxiety & chronic panic attacks).
Can someone tell me how I did? Was 100% honest with her, though and want to increase from 50% to at least 70%.
@@HillAndPonton I got the news last week. I got an INCREASE to 70%. I'm relieved.
@@ACyrrock004 congratulations. I go this Friday for PTSD MST. Any advice or pointers for me?
I missed my hearing C&P exam because of the snow and I called them but they said I cant reschedule. I hate the VA
Get an VA attorney. They will definitely change it.
@@HillAndPonton I am going to a disability reexamination appointment soon
Mine is next week. I greatly appreciate this information. I am currently putting together an acting script to follow for the exam. Thanks!
Leon X how did it go ?
I know a whole bunch of people at 80/100 mostly government worker's they still work and get big checks . then I see the Vietnam war Infantry or combat veteran's still at 20/30 pct PTSD still walking the streets. I know personally a national guardsmen that went overseas for 3 month's. He claims to have knee problems he works for the government gets 80 pct. Yet he runs and walks etc. Then I know former paratroopers with lots of jumps. That can't even get 20 pct for their knee injuries. Some can barely walk. Then there's a national guard dude that ran from the Vietnam war joined the guard so he wouldn't go to Vietnam at 30 pct hearing loss. Funny this guy is not even considered a veteran. Doesn't have 181 days not including training. Doesn't have a DD form 214. While those that did served in Vietnam are at 20/30 pct. Do the rater's know the difference? A lady told me once at county fair. He that serves is a veteran. I said no ma'am there is a criteria. Just because someone served 2 weeks and got kicked out doesn't qualify him as a veteran.
I been seeing all over the internet that they get a kick out of denying veterans and such things as its like a maze its not a easy process
its not hard if you really sick. its just long. i got 70% so far, . with the hope of making it to 80 when i finish.
the first cp exam was for ptsd and over 120 mile round trip. I got the va to change it to a video since i have an urostomy that needs emptying 2x per hour and can leak and i would need to change it asap due to urine on skin no no. i knew from the time the contractor came on screen she was pissed off and when it was time for me to talk about moral injury from evens in service she cut me off and ended.. Contractor could have found a doctor within 30 miles but did not. This woman was a claim killer.. maybe she got paid less for a video vs in person PTSD should always be in person so the doctor can observe the veteran. then they did ptsd exams by sending files across the country and i got notice you do not need to attend.. maddening process
I never had knee issues in the marines, but now I have not only horrible knee problems including arthritis , but I have joint probable s all together . Why want they approve me? I just in and out of helicopters for years. That had to have helped this happen
So I had my qtc exam and they didn’t ask me much , only what medication I’m taking and how did my condition happen and he took a listen to my lungs and saw that my lungs sounded horrible , then made me take xrays and that’s it .
Same here. Waiting on my percentage claim now
I’m gonna have my C&P in 2 weeks and the only form they need to fill out is about prescriptions.
But the regular VA doctors already diagnosed me with PTSD, sleep apnea, migraines and I had to submit the PTSD 21-0781 form a few weeks ago so we’ll see if they take a look at all of that combined and give me a fair rating.
My only concern is the first VA psychologist I spoke with who diagnosed me is not indicated in my health records, and I don’t understand why that is but I wrote her name down as well as date and time and submitted that information as well.
Plus, I’m still having sessions with another VA doctor for PTSD, so we’ll see…
hill and ponton told me they wouldn't help me with the va decision to reduce my rating lol
I had a C&P exam scheduled in 2015 and didn’t know what it was for since I had several claims in the pipeline. I called the C&P clinic prior to my arrival and they didn’t even know what my exam was for. They might know but they sure as hell won’t tell you. So I was ill prepared for my exam and hence had my apnea claim denied cause the examiner didn’t have my sleep study results in front of him. Still fighting that to this day.
They idiots man this contract doctors are very unprofesionals they Will give you a dignosis without asking you anything. They lied .. you be in And out of thier Office un 5 minutes ..
I don’t understand what you are saying. A care giver for all veterans? My wife assists me, doesthe new law allow her to receive care giver benefits? How does this work?
Arthur C caregiver Support Program
Hey ,, I have a question. So i went for my C&P exam yesterday and it was with a private party Doctor /Audiologist contracted by the VA for my Tinnitus claim. It went astonishing well and he told me he was ruling in my favor and giving me the "service Connection". I was given a hearing test and he said it exactly matched the private party hearing test I was given months ago and it was from the same Doctor that gave me my Nexus letter, and he further said its impossible to fake. But he also said that I have moderate hearing loss and further said I should've filed for that along with my Tinnitus claim. He also said that if I decide to add the hearing loss claim within 3 months he would approve it and its service-connected due to the C&P report he prepared and the fact that I was a NAVY Builder (BU) which is on the DOD Tinnitus presumption list its all good. But he said it MAY not get me above the 10% threshold. So is it worth it to add the hearing loss claim and having it approved even if it doesnt raise my percentage??????? He also said I should go to the VA and get hearing aids. Thank you for your time . Whats your opinion?
How do I get the hearing aids? At my VA clinic?
@@Dgoldsweeps4002 your VA audiologist.
I'm so scared they will ask for people to verify my condition. Other than my doctors, I haven't had any people in my life or my home. My PTSD has me isolated in my home with 23 dogs and my homeschooled teen I took out of school for my peace of mind but not sure if I can use her as my witness. I've opened a claim every year for 4 years now and can't bring myself to finish it. I am 60 percent and was a paratrooper and have chronic lower extremity and back pain the last 4 years so I want to file. I have to figure it out I guess.
Try to get TDIU
23 dogs is disgusting. Free yourself of all that responsibility. It might liberate you.
23 dogs is 23 friends with un conditional love. Say hi to your dogs for me
Isolation is ptsd symptom
First you gotta file for a inleast for your lower back & go from there
I havent seen a doctor on a c@p exam in years They use a PA now!!!!
For back pay purposes, does it matter if I filed for VA compensation as a primary condition, then changed it to a secondary condition, then back to a primary condition. If the claim is approved, when will the back pay begin. There is no gaps over 10 months between submittals
Hi Troy, do you currently have an open claim with the VA? If so, please feel free to give us a call at 386-257-2100 to see if we may be able to help you.
@@meredithhpmoderator713 good evening...I do have a claim in the decision process....higher level review.
I definitely will call
Does the VA no longer use Doctors to do the exams ? I have gone to 2 exams with a PA and was denied both times.
Hi Jim, the VA does still use doctors at C&P exams. We are sorry that you were denied. If you have an open claim that you would like to appeal, please feel free to give us a call at 407-537-9000. Thank you.
How do Veterans get errors in C&P exams addressed without needing to file an "APPEAL" and waiting on the VA?
And as a result "preserve" the earliest effective date...
I unknowingly missed a C&P they cut my rating from 50% to 10%. Haven't been to V.A. in years now.
Woah
Buddy statements, Do you know if these are valid in all states? I wrote on out for my husband and attended the meeting with the lady at DVA. She asked me if I was a doctor and if not my statement had no value and would be tossed. She said he would have a hearing to which we went back for and she was the one conducting the hearing. Needless to say, denied any increase. So frustrating!! My husband is in constant knee and back pain suffered from his vehicle being hit with an RPG not to mention PTSD and can't get to 100%, yet some walking around here that never went into combat are getting 100% for self-inflicted drug addiction. Oh! and he went to VA last week, again with knee issues. The lady doctor's diagnosis... "Well, you are getting older"!!
Get one of his fellow unit members from his mob'd time to write the Buddy Letter & all the letters, if written well should help. Also, don't assume all PTSD is combat or mobilization-related. Plenty of experiences cause it while stationed in-country. Good luck.
Contact nu life veterans and speak with mr.Bennett.
i was granted %100 svc connection PTSD i have been paying for years for homebound aid and attendence myself because I have serious MST and it is difficult for me going-out, how do I get VA to allow me special monthly comp to pay my aid withou losing my PTSD benifits wothout MST exam destroying everything?
No clue how my examiner said they diagnosed me, then on my account says not service connected... yet I only talked about my service in the interview. So confused, awaiting my paperwork
Wow sorry to hear your exam didn't go well, Patrick. If you haven't yet, I recommend checking out our interview with a mental health C&P Examiner here: czcams.com/video/9_BdPGGp2Rg/video.html
They don’t tell you what your exam is for through Veterans Evidence Service (VES).
Yea that want to surprise you
They do tell you. Create an Online account for the appropriate entity VES, QTC and, download the DBQ's for the Exam in question.
WHY SUBJECT MYSELF 😕 TO A TEST!!!
I SUFFERED ENOUGH!!!
I completed my C&P exams and now the questionnaires from those exams are on Tricare online. I went through all of them and they are full of inaccuracies. My blood pressure was recorded differently. The examiners says I don't have an issue that I am getting treated for and the specialist diagnosised me. On the general DBQ questions conflict with the DBQ that was done by the specialist.
How long did it take to show up ?
@@CDUB_w the DBQs showed up on tricare online about a week after I had each exam. Before my PEBLO gave me the roll up of all my exams I was able to pull them down from the encounters section of my health record.
@@Owamscreations Thank you for that information. This morning I checked my Tricare Online; in the Encounter section but nothing is there. I am currently rated at 10% and, not even that C&P shows. Just had another exam this past Friday. Not sure if they upload data for each Veteran differently.
I was stationed at fort knox so it needs to be uploaded by medical records and times differ depending on your medical records section in the MTF. Read those c & p results thoroughly. I noticed the examiners were grossly inaccurate and they are already reviewing my original claim.
Anger ✅ Bitterness ✅ Untrusting of anyone ✅ Night terrors ✅ Paranoia ✅ Crippling depression ✅ Suicidal ideation ✅
So you're normal...
I have a c&p rfe for my 100%. I have been rated for almost 6 years at 100% and 10 years for the condition. I have been getting treatment at the va but my condition has not improved. How easy is it for the va to reduce me. Thanks
DB, how did your c&p rfe go? What is your condition that is 100%?
Keep going to your appointments to show your condition is not improving. At this point, I would recommend you research on how to strategically apply for 100% Permanent and Total.
@@CDUB_w thanks, they rated me p&t after the exam
Eat Campbell split pea soup before your CP exam ..Sit in the interview room and just fart as much as you can.
Where do you get this form.
Hi Rebecca, you can find the disability benefits questionnaires here: www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/dbq_publicdbqs.asp
THANK YOU!!
Can you get awarded a rating without being asked to attend a C&P exam?
If you submit a fully developed claim
@@pearlingaquatics5237 The problem for the veteran is that a "developed claim" is a judgmental term at the discretion of the VA rep.
went to your website and your evaluation questions seemed like you dont want to help.
Hi Jerry, we have to restrict who we can and cannot help due to the overwhelming amount of veterans who need help. If a veteran does not have a rating decision on an open Service connection claim then there's nothing we can do to help. That's why we offer these 100+ free VA benefits videos to help educate those vets we could not help personally.
I have a GU Male reproductive system C&P exam
CARE GIVER
Trump signed a bill several months ago stating he approved bare giver for ALL veterans.. Went to Care giver at VA hospital in Durham,NC. I was told that she was aware of the new law signed by Trump but she die][d not have any indoor to activate it and told me to come back in JANUARY 2019. I think that time is excessive. Please notify the care gives at ALL VA Hospitals. 6 or 8 months it to long to wait. If necessary I will have to ask the president since the OIG and VA Secretary is doing nothing a bout this situation
Bobby strock
90% disability
10% unemployability.
A lot of times drs lie
Never take a test you don't know the answer to
I always shower,,shave,, dress nice that shouldn't go against me
Do you have a tip on how a woman supposed to act that has been raped
Here we go, pound me too moment ahead
Kung fu grip savage
🤔
Hi. Sopozed. You don’t have any body. Most of my Vietnam vets. Or gone. I have not seen. Anybody I serviced. With.
GOD BLESS YOU GEORGE
The C&P form is totally ridiculous because they give you such a tiny space to write in.
I am currently active duty 22 years and recently diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. I feel helpless right now. I had my first c&p this morning for Tinnitus and hearing loss and just concerned about the outcome. This process has been very stressful and my anxiety levels are through the roof...which has produced more frequent flare ups. My fatigue levels are just crazy....I literally feel numb from being so tired. That concerns me because I don't want the examiner to feel like I'm malingering. I don't know what to do.
Ditch the malingering concern. I wasted 23 years not following up on my claims. I served 21+ years (USA). We were programmed to suck it up and drive on, viewing those who didn't as weak or malingerers. Take a look at some of Combat Craig's videos. Get mad and make getting your claims done your mission. Don't be like me and forward march without getting what you deserve and earned!