It‘s also really interesting that Sarias hut, the hut of the Sage of the forest is the most serene looking place in the entire dungeon. It‘s the only place not shrouded in darkness or poisoned with malice. They had to drop moblins in there because none of the creatures or plants in that room could be corrupted. Almost as if Saria was still guarding that place
It's possible, she may lay down the power of goodness where ever she steps and any location with connections to her such us her old home and the forrest temple are holy sanctuaries within the corrupted lands, makes you wonder if link's hut is still out there within the oceans below, and I wonder if the same goes fod every other sage if we can explore their area
I never noticed the details with the music... this story is pretty sad...and the worst part is knowing that this Link would likely never know the feelings of seeing the Kokiri Forest in this state the same way the player would.
The Hero of Winds *did* learn later though that the Kingdom of Hyrule had been lying beneath the waves this entire time, where the Hero of Time had wandered a century or two ago. Naturally, the modern world would have gotten more depth to it once Link would have returned back out of the ocean.
Bentein Bjerke right. I’m just saying it’s one thing to just know something used to be a certain way and to see the change but it’s another to actually have experienced the old kokiri forest and have to see the ruins of it now
@@IATEALLTHECHEESE Me too. Saria is easily one of my favorite Zelda characters, maybe even at the top of that list. Kokiri Forest is also still my favorite Zelda location. When I was a kid for a while the Great Deku tree dungeon scared me so I spent a lot of time in Kokiri Forest. It's fate in Windwaker deeply saddens me.
I choose to believe that the Great Deku Tree transformed the Kokiri into the Koroks as a way to protect them. In OoT it was said that the Kokiri would fade away or die if they ever left their magical forest, so my thought was that after the flood they started to fade away and the Great Deku Tree gave them bodies that could survive in the new world.
In Zelda 2, we have a coastal town named Mido, where most towns in the game are named after the sages. And we have a Kokiri kid named Mido. If the Downfall timeline had featured at least one town named after the random kid who blocked your path in Ocarina Of Time, he would've needed to perform some great act of heroism to get his name exalted to a status similar to that of the sages, at least from a lore perspective (we all know they wouldn't have thought about the timeline that far ahead in the past before Ocarina Of Time). Could it be that in the Downfall timeline, the Kokiri children were forced to leave the very forest that protected them and died out in battle against Ganondorf? And in both the Child and Adult timelines, they didn't need to, they were safe?
@@dafilmqueen556 A lot of things changed in development, Mido was probably going to be the kokiri sage originally and Saria was probably going to be the name of a non-kokiri.
@@GrimmShadowsII I've always been in the camp where Dragon Roost Mountain = Death Mountain (complete with Valoo being the (more benevolent) descendant of Volvagia). Hyrule Encyclopedia actually flat out states that Dragon Roost Island = Zora's Domain (coupled with Forest Haven = Kokiri Forest and Greatfish Isle = Lake Hylia). My own take: Dragon Roost Mountain could still be Death Mountain, its location merely shifted to be closer to Zora's Domain (geological shifts are a thing as well according to HE, thus why there are massive chasms in TP, which also would explain why the Temple of Time shifted from near Hyrule Castle to Faron Woods in TP). This also assumes one takes HE as fact.
If you look at all the games the geography of Hyrule is hardly consistent, lost woods sometimes being NW of Hyrule Castle and sometimes being SE for example. So it's better to go by landmarks then location. Then again looking at the example I mentioned thats not always reliable as atleast in the downfall timeline the Master Sword tends to be in the lost woods instead of a temple. So there's plenty to theorize about.
@@GrimmShadowsII And as I stated, HE notes that geological shifts take place, which is their explanation of why geography between games doesn't always match up. Case in point, Temple of Time (I personally think this was intentionally shifted as to deny the general public easy access to such a game-changing location). In TP, The Temple of Time has further degraded where the building is no longer present, and it's only remains are the pedestal that contains the Master Sword and the stone statues...this is likely what happens in other titles in different timelines such as LTTP where, again, only the pedestal is present.
Yeah I'm working my way, on and off, through HE. My guess though is the lost woods where the Master Sword is found isn't the same lost woods from OoT, the woods grew around where the temple had once been and was just called lost woods because of stories/legends mentioning a lost woods and centuries later they didn't know there had once been a forest somewhere else so just referred to the only one they knew about as the lost woods.
@@Xman_0613 Makes it even more depressing when you realize that Wind Waker Link isn't even a reincarnation of the goddess chosen hero like other links and was instead just a genuine normal 12 year old kid dragged into a crazy legend because ganondorf's bird mistook his little sister for another girl.
And yet it also has the best ending. It seems that not only is Ganondorf killed, but Demise's curse is defeated for good. Hyrule is washed away at last. The ancient cycle is broken. The legacies of time that shackled the people of this part of the world have finally been cast free, and Hylia's reincarnation and descendent are free to create their new legends at last. At least, until Nintendo makes a sequel to _Spirit Tracks_ featuring a reincarnation of Ganon, or confirms that _Breath of the Wild_ is definitely in _The Wind Waker's_ future; IE, Demise is inevitable. But I don't like to believe that.
WW is timeless. So privileged and honored to have been a teen and to have experienced this Masterpiece! Breath may be technically better, but sorry for me in comparison to these previous Zeldas, it's soulless!! And dungeonless
I acctually never respond to video's but just watch them, but this series you are doing is amazing. I love your Legend of Zelda Theory videos, especially cause most of what you tell makes complete sense. Keep up the amazing work mate.
11:51 there is a sound glitch. Besides that this is maybe the best Zelda video I've ever seen on youtube. Actually it is, thank you Zeltik! My passion for Zelda is never ending and you continue to inspire that feeling more and more. Please more videos on Wind Waker! Maybe Great fish isle next? And the Zoras?
I have just found your channel and I'm loving your content! I am a huge Zelda fan and I love how you go into the smallest details to expose larger meaning. Well done mate! love it
Zeltik yet again, never fails to deliver the lore and theories we've all been needing. That Saria part was a bit sad. Knowing how isage-hood is passed down, we can assume Saria is among the Kokiri that died seeing as Fado precedes Makar. Even more sad since that version of Saria was never reunited with her original friend Link in death.
no thanks, I rather enjoyed eating a sandwich while i was sailing across the map. I'm so glad they had a way to teleport, cuz i was so sick of sailing from one side of the map to the other
Honestly....this makes me want to cry. Just knowing that those stumps are more than likely the homes of those Kokiri, and they had to move under the protection of the old Deku Tree. Wow. I'm filled with a sense of sorrow yet also a glowing hope knowing the Kokiri are ok...just in a new form. That's time for you...always changing but the past remains in some way. Oh and my heart broke when you brought up Saria's house so thanks for that 😭💔💔💔💔
Have you considered making a tier list of the different incarnations of Zelda, ranking them based on character development and importance? For example, the Zelda from The Adventure of Link is asleep the entire game and does literally nothing, whereas the Zelda from Spirit Tracks functions as your companion for the entirety of the game (and is actually a compelling character).
Funny that accent is like nails on a chalkboard to me but he is probably the only person with that accent that I can watch his videos cuz the way he puts together everything and tells the story is amazing he could just have blackness for a video cuz he paints pictures with his words
These are always a treat to watch. Always carefully thought out and informitave, delving into the lore of the core games and all this while presenting possible new ideas or scenerios. This is why I love Nintendo and dedicated fans or channels like Zeltik. P.S. Don't ever get rid of your current intro. It is my favorite!
Wow, incredible video! Can we get one about where Death mountain is located in the great ocean Hyrule? That would be sweet, the world of Zelda is incredible! You rock dude bro! Oh yeah baby! -JMM
@@thomasdebuch3046 But Zora's domain would rather fit with Greatfish Island, the domain of Jabun, descendant of Jabu Jabu. In the Dragon Roost Cavern, there are statues of Goron looking men. Plus Valoo is related to Volvagia, ancient corrupted Guardian of Death Mountain. We find Din's pearl there, it corresponds to where we found the Goron's Ruby too. Gorons fear Valoo because Volvagia and flee the Island -> Zoras, now useless for Jabun, serve Valoo and became Ritos. If you think of Encyclopedia...it's official but not canon, just like the Mangas. They said in its introduction and in interviews, the writters from Nintendo Dream Magazine(Japanese Nintendo Power) said that it was their interpretations of the Lore.
@@nonoctoro4933 despite all that, I still present the mangas as canon (the difference being I know it's not) so others' are bound to present the encyclopedia as canon as well
1:33 Is anyone else going to point out that this shot makes Forest Haven look like it has a face, further signifying that Forest Haven is inside the dead corpse of OoT's Deku Tree?
Thanks for putting an arrow pointing to the Forest Haven in the thumbnail, or else I would have thought this was a video about the Step Pyramid of Djoser.
Zeltik, the amount of nostalgia you pour into your videos and great calm story telling just invokes all the emotions we had when we explored these locations before. Keep up the great content as always, looking forward to seeing which island you cover next.
I think it would be funnier if this is how it went. Aonuma: hey, Shigero, did you mean for this to mean this? Miyomoto: no, of course not, why would you...? *shows him Zeltik* Miyomoto: I mean... OF COURSE I meant it to mean that!
This is the kind of stuff that reminds me why I LOVE the Zelda games so much. And how it mirrors my feelings on how I want my son to play these games, to experience these games by venturing through the same places and conquering the same dungeons the same way that I did, retracing the same steps I took in decades long past.
@@_Teej_264 The red king says "But... each temple should have another entrance high upon Hyrule's mountaintops, which are now islands above the sea." So if you take they Hyrule from oot and think about what place matches with what in ww you can guess that Windfall was that hill above Kakariko Villiage.
I can imagine Link's reaction to seeing Saria's hut and suddenly feels a sudden strain...a sensation of longing. He feels like something is missing... He doesn't know why exactly but can't deny that feeling. Saria's name escapes his lips and he can't help but feel like he is missing an old friend. He unfortunately unable to get sentimental or nostalgic because he has a job to do and time is still a factor... whether in his last quest, this one, or the next.
anyone else get goosebumps at the end of his intros? when those violens drop? you know you're in for a good video. Zeltik = high quality knowledge and passion. thank you for always making my day better with these videos.
I already figured the Forest Haven was the Great Duku Tree and the Forbidden Forest was the Lost Woods but for some reason I missed ALL the similarities to the Kokiri Village having been absorbed by the Lost Woods and all those structures in the temple are houses in the original. Seeing the comparison and that last music comparison just broke me ;o;
The fact that Saria is remembered only by her song, is both amazing aswell as unsetteling Her house now looks so lonely :( Also the fact that the deku tree in this game is the sprout from OoT, growing inside the great deku tree is so interesting yet pretty disturbing. It might be possible that when the second tree is dead, the two trees might conjoin/overlap, and form a hollow mountain, with withered shrubs on the inside, and healthy ones on the outside.. but that is a different timeline.... It's pretty interesting how both trees have been infected by monsters, as ganondorf is trying to hide their wisdom by killing them. Pretty dark. BUT, a way to revive the legacy of the Deku tree, the quest in tww allows you to save the withering korok's trees
This is probably my favorite theory youve done to date. I love hearing about these things that I miss. The Zelda series will forever have that magic about it.
i knew the basics of this theory, but I am in awe about the extra details you provided. The final music comparison between the HoTs theme being augmented in the Forbidden woods actually made my jaw drop.
Awesome video. I'd often wonder the same thing when I used to play that. Especially because of the Great Deku Tree being there. There's so much to support it.
When I have first seen the thumbnail, my first thought was "well duh! I can tell from the Deku Tree and Fado" but when you presented the evidence about the forbidden woods being the village in Kokiri Forest, that gave me Cloud Atlas levels of goosebumps.
A little late to watching this, but I had to wait until I played Windwaker so I could fully understand for myself. This blew my mind, just like all the other theories that your channel's made me aware of! Honestly it's your videos that make me more invested in the Legend of Zelda timeline and history each and every day. Not to mention, you have the perfect tone of voice and pacing to compliment the info you shed light on. I can't stress this enough, it's so important in any kind of storytelling, and I had to point it out. Incredible as always, keep up the amazing work Zeltik!
I believe Korok's are the original form of the forest spirits, changing into Kokiri after Link was adopted in OoT. I like to think they wanted to comfort baby Link, so they adopted forms similar to his mother, and then changed into other children to give him companionship as he got older. After Link left and the tale of him became just a legend, they reverted back to their old forms.
Man I never noticed Saria's house in there... that's quite creepy. I need to go back and have a look now lol I wonder how the island became all brambly, though? The new Deku tree's roots, maybe?
Both. The sequel for The Hero of Time after Zelda sends him back and he changes the past = MM. The sequel for Hyrule's original timeline that The Hero of Time left behind = WW.
easy tbh the sequel to oOt is Majoras mask the sequel to WW is phantom hourglass WW and oOt are not a part of each other the only relation they have the the hero of time is the hero of winds ancestor.
@@dexeronstarsurge I believe the deku tree we see im Wind Waker is not the Deku tree sprout from ocarina of time and is instead one of his descendants. I sure deku tree sprout had ample time to grow large and evolve with changes, possibly raising kokiri forest during the flood and sacrificing his own body to protect kokiri forest. It wasn't perfect so the forest split, the kokiri changed to korok and they slowly left the carcass of the great deku tree who was once a sprout and the area slowly become the forbidden forest. Thats why forbidden forest is dark becuase the wood is old. A new deku tree grew where forest haven is and that's why it's wood is lighter because its not as old as the forbidden forests wood. I assume the great deku tree's consciousness passes through fhe generations. Imagine growing up and dying over and over. Each life gives the guardian spirit fhe chance to slowly evolve himself to suit the changes
Love Windwaker!! Your videos are so informative and thorough! I kind of always understood the forest haven as the kokiri forest...it just made sense to me at the time lol
Seeing Saria's house made me feel such lament. And with you Zeltic, telling the story, pointing that out, and playing some melancholy music. Made it felt more impactful. Thank you and Bravo.
On one hand great video On the other hand this has been the most basic level theory about the wind Waker. Like I remember being on forums over 10 years ago discussing this
And he said that very thing at the beginning of his video. My guess is that he just had a couple of extra points to show, and people have been asking for the comparison
You're a great host, Zeltik. I really like hearing your theories and stories, too. And your voice is nice to listen to. Keep doing what you're doing; you've got a new subscriber here!
You just make fantastic videos....it really is as simple as that. All brilliantly edited and thought provoking with great theory’s. Keep up the good work 👌🏻
It‘s also really interesting that Sarias hut, the hut of the Sage of the forest is the most serene looking place in the entire dungeon. It‘s the only place not shrouded in darkness or poisoned with malice. They had to drop moblins in there because none of the creatures or plants in that room could be corrupted. Almost as if Saria was still guarding that place
It's possible, she may lay down the power of goodness where ever she steps and any location with connections to her such us her old home and the forrest temple are holy sanctuaries within the corrupted lands, makes you wonder if link's hut is still out there within the oceans below, and I wonder if the same goes fod every other sage if we can explore their area
me before watching this video: "well yeah, obviously"
me after watching this video: "wow that's crazy, I never realised"
LITERALLY ME
Me too!
Also me.
Bruh.
Me too
And of course, Saria leaves behind one last gift in her home for the Hero, the Boomerang
Ugh...ugh...did you have to?
😭😭😭😭
Thanks. Now I'm crying.
Big Key? 🤔
I'm cry
the boomer-ang?
I never noticed the details with the music... this story is pretty sad...and the worst part is knowing that this Link would likely never know the feelings of seeing the Kokiri Forest in this state the same way the player would.
The Hero of Winds *did* learn later though that the Kingdom of Hyrule had been lying beneath the waves this entire time, where the Hero of Time had wandered a century or two ago. Naturally, the modern world would have gotten more depth to it once Link would have returned back out of the ocean.
Bentein Bjerke right. I’m just saying it’s one thing to just know something used to be a certain way and to see the change but it’s another to actually have experienced the old kokiri forest and have to see the ruins of it now
YES I FEEL AS SAD FOR THE KOKIRI, ESPECIALY SARIA
I became emotionally attached to the Kokiri, especially Saria. And especially because oot takes place ages before botw, that's even more sad.
@@IATEALLTHECHEESE Me too. Saria is easily one of my favorite Zelda characters, maybe even at the top of that list. Kokiri Forest is also still my favorite Zelda location. When I was a kid for a while the Great Deku tree dungeon scared me so I spent a lot of time in Kokiri Forest. It's fate in Windwaker deeply saddens me.
This is such a great analysis. Keep doing Wind Waker locations Zeltik!
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Yep
Zora’s domain as outset next. No really there in the same place on the map.
You could write a book, your story telling is so amazing.
I thought the same
I agree I'd buy it for sure and I bet you it would sell just check with Nintendo regarding copyright
@@ImaginationStudios123 He could just write an original story and avoid copyright issues. A Zelda inspired original story
That would be amazing
@@Jing737 good idea
Why would ANYONE want to skip the music comparisons?
i did lol
@@Dseuss3554 Kill it before it lays eggs
@@Dseuss3554 mad lad
Because I’ve heard that music thousands of times, already heard the comparisons long before this video, and want to get to the JUICY details
I KNOW RIGHT! They’re the best
I never questioned this, but man is it enjoyable to see all the compiled evidence mapped out so nicely.
I also made sure to ch, don't worry m8.
the part where you mention Saria's home actually gave me goosebumps lol
I choose to believe that the Great Deku Tree transformed the Kokiri into the Koroks as a way to protect them. In OoT it was said that the Kokiri would fade away or die if they ever left their magical forest, so my thought was that after the flood they started to fade away and the Great Deku Tree gave them bodies that could survive in the new world.
In Zelda 2, we have a coastal town named Mido, where most towns in the game are named after the sages. And we have a Kokiri kid named Mido. If the Downfall timeline had featured at least one town named after the random kid who blocked your path in Ocarina Of Time, he would've needed to perform some great act of heroism to get his name exalted to a status similar to that of the sages, at least from a lore perspective (we all know they wouldn't have thought about the timeline that far ahead in the past before Ocarina Of Time). Could it be that in the Downfall timeline, the Kokiri children were forced to leave the very forest that protected them and died out in battle against Ganondorf? And in both the Child and Adult timelines, they didn't need to, they were safe?
@@dafilmqueen556 A lot of things changed in development, Mido was probably going to be the kokiri sage originally and Saria was probably going to be the name of a non-kokiri.
Could you make a vid about gerudo-hylian war? I think it'd be interesting.
Agreed
yesss
Yes, agreed!! I'd LOVE to see a video on that!
Yes please!
Agreed 100%
I vote to do Dragon Roost Island = Zora's Domain at some point. =)
There's debate on that, the location is similar to Zora's domain but if you look at it; it looks like Death Mountain
@@GrimmShadowsII I've always been in the camp where Dragon Roost Mountain = Death Mountain (complete with Valoo being the (more benevolent) descendant of Volvagia).
Hyrule Encyclopedia actually flat out states that Dragon Roost Island = Zora's Domain (coupled with Forest Haven = Kokiri Forest and Greatfish Isle = Lake Hylia). My own take: Dragon Roost Mountain could still be Death Mountain, its location merely shifted to be closer to Zora's Domain (geological shifts are a thing as well according to HE, thus why there are massive chasms in TP, which also would explain why the Temple of Time shifted from near Hyrule Castle to Faron Woods in TP). This also assumes one takes HE as fact.
If you look at all the games the geography of Hyrule is hardly consistent, lost woods sometimes being NW of Hyrule Castle and sometimes being SE for example. So it's better to go by landmarks then location. Then again looking at the example I mentioned thats not always reliable as atleast in the downfall timeline the Master Sword tends to be in the lost woods instead of a temple. So there's plenty to theorize about.
@@GrimmShadowsII And as I stated, HE notes that geological shifts take place, which is their explanation of why geography between games doesn't always match up. Case in point, Temple of Time (I personally think this was intentionally shifted as to deny the general public easy access to such a game-changing location). In TP, The Temple of Time has further degraded where the building is no longer present, and it's only remains are the pedestal that contains the Master Sword and the stone statues...this is likely what happens in other titles in different timelines such as LTTP where, again, only the pedestal is present.
Yeah I'm working my way, on and off, through HE. My guess though is the lost woods where the Master Sword is found isn't the same lost woods from OoT, the woods grew around where the temple had once been and was just called lost woods because of stories/legends mentioning a lost woods and centuries later they didn't know there had once been a forest somewhere else so just referred to the only one they knew about as the lost woods.
Jeez. The Windwaker timeline is such a depressing timeline in the series
Yeah the cartoonish visuals kinda hide the fact that it’s story is depressing as hell when you dive into it
get it cause dive and the games takes place in the ocean 😹
@@Xman_0613 Makes it even more depressing when you realize that Wind Waker Link isn't even a reincarnation of the goddess chosen hero like other links and was instead just a genuine normal 12 year old kid dragged into a crazy legend because ganondorf's bird mistook his little sister for another girl.
@@xavierrivera3407 the person who is a reincarnation of the goddess chosen hero: oh, well, i guess i get to take a vacation this time around.
And yet it also has the best ending. It seems that not only is Ganondorf killed, but Demise's curse is defeated for good. Hyrule is washed away at last. The ancient cycle is broken. The legacies of time that shackled the people of this part of the world have finally been cast free, and Hylia's reincarnation and descendent are free to create their new legends at last.
At least, until Nintendo makes a sequel to _Spirit Tracks_ featuring a reincarnation of Ganon, or confirms that _Breath of the Wild_ is definitely in _The Wind Waker's_ future; IE, Demise is inevitable. But I don't like to believe that.
Wind Waker is nearly 20....aw man I'm ancient. It has aged so well, better than me.
WW is timeless. So privileged and honored to have been a teen and to have experienced this Masterpiece!
Breath may be technically better, but sorry for me in comparison to these previous Zeldas, it's soulless!!
And dungeonless
@@netweed09 dungeonless tru af
@@netweed09 nah man breath just doesn't have nostalgia power that's all
Also you haven't had a remake of yourself made
@@GabePuratekuta I'm in HD already
Mind-blowing as always. I never noticed the Kokiri huts until you pointed them out
Someone didn't talk to the Koroks.
SvenCakemann either that or I didn’t pay enough attention.
I acctually never respond to video's but just watch them, but this series you are doing is amazing. I love your Legend of Zelda Theory videos, especially cause most of what you tell makes complete sense. Keep up the amazing work mate.
You have the same profile picture as me
@@linkgamer9591 it has been since i reacted here and before, you late to the party bro :P
@@TharlexGaming fair game
11:51 there is a sound glitch.
Besides that this is maybe the best Zelda video I've ever seen on youtube. Actually it is, thank you Zeltik! My passion for Zelda is never ending and you continue to inspire that feeling more and more. Please more videos on Wind Waker! Maybe Great fish isle next? And the Zoras?
yep^^^
My personal favourite of his videos is the Re-Deads. That is an awesome video to watch
@MaSpoofs 👍
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I have just found your channel and I'm loving your content! I am a huge Zelda fan and I love how you go into the smallest details to expose larger meaning. Well done mate! love it
Zeltik yet again, never fails to deliver the lore and theories we've all been needing. That Saria part was a bit sad. Knowing how isage-hood is passed down, we can assume Saria is among the Kokiri that died seeing as Fado precedes Makar. Even more sad since that version of Saria was never reunited with her original friend Link in death.
I want a second windwaker: bigger map, more island, bigger dungeons, more enemies in the water (especialy at night)
no thanks, I rather enjoyed eating a sandwich while i was sailing across the map. I'm so glad they had a way to teleport, cuz i was so sick of sailing from one side of the map to the other
Phantom Hourglass
Maybe for switch if we beg Nintendo and suck up enough
Best nintendo can do is a Nintendo switch port of Wind waker, have fun.
That last fact about the Forbidden Woods theme got me 🔥 Never noticed that before, great work man!!
Wasn’t expecting to see you here
Honestly....this makes me want to cry. Just knowing that those stumps are more than likely the homes of those Kokiri, and they had to move under the protection of the old Deku Tree. Wow. I'm filled with a sense of sorrow yet also a glowing hope knowing the Kokiri are ok...just in a new form. That's time for you...always changing but the past remains in some way.
Oh and my heart broke when you brought up Saria's house so thanks for that 😭💔💔💔💔
It would be cool if you made a video on all of the different languages in the legend of Zelda
Have you considered making a tier list of the different incarnations of Zelda, ranking them based on character development and importance? For example, the Zelda from The Adventure of Link is asleep the entire game and does literally nothing, whereas the Zelda from Spirit Tracks functions as your companion for the entirety of the game (and is actually a compelling character).
I've been waiting for that one. Can't wait
S tier : Princess Zelda from Adventure of Link
.... because Link kissed here and not just on the cheek.
@@nonoctoro4933 wtf did she really?
Yes
@@Dseuss3554 Well we don't see *exactly* what happened after that curtain fell...
This made me emotional to think this Link is walking throught the area place the hero of time Link grew up in. :' )
The Title: Is Forest Haven Kokiri Forest?
Me: well yeeee but I wanna hear someone tell me about it in a sultry voice with an accent
lol same. i see the title and automatically knew that zeltik thought it was. But that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it XD
Funny that accent is like nails on a chalkboard to me but he is probably the only person with that accent that I can watch his videos cuz the way he puts together everything and tells the story is amazing he could just have blackness for a video cuz he paints pictures with his words
I have a grown a new respect for Forest Haven. Excellent video 🌲✌🏻
Zeltiks favourite area in his favourite game, tbf the design and atmosphere worked really well, i imagine kokiri were just koroks in disquise
They took that shape so that Link could feel like one of them when he was growing up, I think. Idk if that was cannon or the manga only
These are always a treat to watch.
Always carefully thought out and informitave, delving into the lore of the core games and all this while presenting possible new ideas or scenerios.
This is why I love Nintendo and dedicated fans or channels like Zeltik.
P.S. Don't ever get rid of your current intro. It is my favorite!
Someone: "You ever try crack?"
Me: "Nope, but I watch Zeltik"
I never noticed that about the dungeon theme and Ocarina title theme. These are really interesting videos. Keep up the good work.😊
Saria's house thing bummed me out just now. Thanks Zeltik
Huh, wow. This changes Forest Haven entirely for me!
That Zelda theme towards the end, I always stop in my track and remember that Christmas playing it with my rumble pack attached to my 64 controller. 😏
They said in an interview several years back, forest heaven is in fact the kori forest
Why is TLoZ so beautifully POETIC??? :-‘)
Thank you for all the memories Mr. Miyamoto!!❤️❤️
Hey zeltik
I love your videos btw
Oh wow I got a lot of likes wow thanks
Average boi 316 did you remember to ch?
M 0 n K e Y 5 c H
I was aware pretty much of all connections but maaann the "Huts part" reaaly blew my mind
Wow, incredible video! Can we get one about where Death mountain is located in the great ocean Hyrule? That would be sweet, the world of Zelda is incredible! You rock dude bro! Oh yeah baby!
-JMM
Hum ? Dragon Roost Island !
@Nonoctoro that is actually Zora’s domain, the rito evolved from the zora
@@thomasdebuch3046 But Zora's domain would rather fit with Greatfish Island, the domain of Jabun, descendant of Jabu Jabu.
In the Dragon Roost Cavern, there are statues of Goron looking men.
Plus Valoo is related to Volvagia, ancient corrupted Guardian of Death Mountain.
We find Din's pearl there, it corresponds to where we found the Goron's Ruby too.
Gorons fear Valoo because Volvagia and flee the Island -> Zoras, now useless for Jabun, serve Valoo and became Ritos.
If you think of Encyclopedia...it's official but not canon, just like the Mangas. They said in its introduction and in interviews, the writters from Nintendo Dream Magazine(Japanese Nintendo Power) said that it was their interpretations of the Lore.
@@nonoctoro4933 despite all that, I still present the mangas as canon (the difference being I know it's not) so others' are bound to present the encyclopedia as canon as well
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I'd rather think that Fire Mountain is Death Mountain
1:33 Is anyone else going to point out that this shot makes Forest Haven look like it has a face, further signifying that Forest Haven is inside the dead corpse of OoT's Deku Tree?
This was like the ONE obvious thing for me from the start. Mainly because of the Deku Tree.
Thanks for putting an arrow pointing to the Forest Haven in the thumbnail, or else I would have thought this was a video about the Step Pyramid of Djoser.
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Zeltik, the amount of nostalgia you pour into your videos and great calm story telling just invokes all the emotions we had when we explored these locations before. Keep up the great content as always, looking forward to seeing which island you cover next.
"her house remains"
Me, through tears: wow
Mind blown again, well done mate. Great video as always, enjoy it a ton!
Zeltik: Makes Zelda theory video
Nintendo: Watches video
Also Nintendo: nYES this was ALL INTENTIONAL :D
I think it would be funnier if this is how it went.
Aonuma: hey, Shigero, did you mean for this to mean this?
Miyomoto: no, of course not, why would you...?
*shows him Zeltik*
Miyomoto: I mean... OF COURSE I meant it to mean that!
This is the kind of stuff that reminds me why I LOVE the Zelda games so much. And how it mirrors my feelings on how I want my son to play these games, to experience these games by venturing through the same places and conquering the same dungeons the same way that I did, retracing the same steps I took in decades long past.
The Red King pretty much states that Windfall is in fact the higher point of Kakariko village.
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@@_Teej_264 The red king says "But... each temple
should have another entrance high upon Hyrule's mountaintops, which are now
islands above the sea." So if you take they Hyrule from oot and think about what place matches with what in ww you can guess that Windfall was that hill above Kakariko Villiage.
Absolutely brilliant. You spotted and compared things that probably no-one else had done, especially the music!
I can imagine Link's reaction to seeing Saria's hut and suddenly feels a sudden strain...a sensation of longing. He feels like something is missing... He doesn't know why exactly but can't deny that feeling. Saria's name escapes his lips and he can't help but feel like he is missing an old friend. He unfortunately unable to get sentimental or nostalgic because he has a job to do and time is still a factor... whether in his last quest, this one, or the next.
But... that’s the Hero of Time. The Hero of Winds doesn’t know their existence.
@@catalyst539 Reincarnation often comes with nostalgia. Just look at Avatar.
That makes 0 sense.
anyone else get goosebumps at the end of his intros? when those violens drop? you know you're in for a good video. Zeltik = high quality knowledge and passion. thank you for always making my day better with these videos.
The sped up Forest Haven music got me boppin' \o/
It sounds so damn nice!
I already figured the Forest Haven was the Great Duku Tree and the Forbidden Forest was the Lost Woods but for some reason I missed ALL the similarities to the Kokiri Village having been absorbed by the Lost Woods and all those structures in the temple are houses in the original. Seeing the comparison and that last music comparison just broke me ;o;
The fact that Saria is remembered only by her song, is both amazing aswell as unsetteling
Her house now looks so lonely :(
Also the fact that the deku tree in this game is the sprout from OoT, growing inside the great deku tree is so interesting yet pretty disturbing. It might be possible that when the second tree is dead, the two trees might conjoin/overlap, and form a hollow mountain, with withered shrubs on the inside, and healthy ones on the outside.. but that is a different timeline....
It's pretty interesting how both trees have been infected by monsters, as ganondorf is trying to hide their wisdom by killing them. Pretty dark. BUT, a way to revive the legacy of the Deku tree, the quest in tww allows you to save the withering korok's trees
This is probably my favorite theory youve done to date. I love hearing about these things that I miss. The Zelda series will forever have that magic about it.
Is this going to be a series
Because I could totally watch more of this
i knew the basics of this theory, but I am in awe about the extra details you provided. The final music comparison between the HoTs theme being augmented in the Forbidden woods actually made my jaw drop.
I just found your channel I’m hooked lol
Your theory’s are absolutely incredible. This brings back so many memories.
This is fantastic. Thank you, I never made the connection before
I mean, i had suspicions, but i never had the interest to do my research. Thanks @Zeltik for doing the hard work for me :)
Awesome video. I'd often wonder the same thing when I used to play that. Especially because of the Great Deku Tree being there. There's so much to support it.
The reason I love Zelda games. “The best dungeons always has a story behind it” facts
When I have first seen the thumbnail, my first thought was "well duh! I can tell from the Deku Tree and Fado" but when you presented the evidence about the forbidden woods being the village in Kokiri Forest, that gave me Cloud Atlas levels of goosebumps.
Great theory!! I love your WindWaker theories.
This was a well done video. I can't believe I never noticed the small houses in the Forbidden Forest.
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So, since it's obvious that the Forbidden Forest is Kokiri Forest, where is OoT Link's house, meaning, can it be found in the area?
Great video as always ! Good job Zeltik ^^
This video was amazing. You connected everything beautifully, like a real story teller. I even got teary eyed at the Syria part. Masterful writing.
*Saria
This video gave me chills down my spine. Really good work!
I always assumed that Forest Haven was the Great Deku Tree's Meadow and the Forbidden Woods was the village portion of Kokiri Forest.
that's actually a sad theory.. but a really interesting and convincing one! that's a great video zeltic, keep up the good work!
Why am i crying.... did saria bury links boomerang in her house?
A little late to watching this, but I had to wait until I played Windwaker so I could fully understand for myself. This blew my mind, just like all the other theories that your channel's made me aware of! Honestly it's your videos that make me more invested in the Legend of Zelda timeline and history each and every day. Not to mention, you have the perfect tone of voice and pacing to compliment the info you shed light on. I can't stress this enough, it's so important in any kind of storytelling, and I had to point it out. Incredible as always, keep up the amazing work Zeltik!
I believe Korok's are the original form of the forest spirits, changing into Kokiri after Link was adopted in OoT. I like to think they wanted to comfort baby Link, so they adopted forms similar to his mother, and then changed into other children to give him companionship as he got older. After Link left and the tale of him became just a legend, they reverted back to their old forms.
There is lore to explain this already.
connections like this are part of what make the Legend of Zelda series amazing. the attention to detail is always astounding.
Man I never noticed Saria's house in there... that's quite creepy. I need to go back and have a look now lol I wonder how the island became all brambly, though? The new Deku tree's roots, maybe?
I had no idea that the parallels with Ocarina of Time went so far. That's really nice attention to detail.
I dont know why or how it registered in my brain, but i legit thought the thumbnail said "foreskin forest"
Your name and pfp says it.
@[DATA EXPUNGED] ah yes
Your videos are just amazing Zeltik! You make me love all these places even more, and now I appreciate Wind Waker much more then before. Thank You!
I love your theorys! I hope you keep making this stuff!!
You got yourself a new sub. God I love these games and your videos explore a lesser explored area of these games specifically. Amazing 😊
Which is the *real* squeal? MM or WW.
OMG!! MM UPSIDE DOWN IS WW!!!!!
Majora is the real sequel
Both.
The sequel for The Hero of Time after Zelda sends him back and he changes the past = MM.
The sequel for Hyrule's original timeline that The Hero of Time left behind = WW.
the real *squeal* lmfao
easy tbh the sequel to oOt is Majoras mask the sequel to WW is phantom hourglass WW and oOt are not a part of each other the only relation they have the the hero of time is the hero of winds ancestor.
I played Wind waker so many years ago and didn't noticed the kokiri forest theme... Your videos really make me look at Zelda with new eyes
The forbidden woods is the lost woods, and the forest haven is the corpse of the great deku tree. That's my before video guess
Yeah. And if i remember correctly, the deku tree in this game is supposed to be the Deku Sprout grown up.
@@dexeronstarsurge I believe the deku tree we see im Wind Waker is not the Deku tree sprout from ocarina of time and is instead one of his descendants. I sure deku tree sprout had ample time to grow large and evolve with changes, possibly raising kokiri forest during the flood and sacrificing his own body to protect kokiri forest. It wasn't perfect so the forest split, the kokiri changed to korok and they slowly left the carcass of the great deku tree who was once a sprout and the area slowly become the forbidden forest. Thats why forbidden forest is dark becuase the wood is old. A new deku tree grew where forest haven is and that's why it's wood is lighter because its not as old as the forbidden forests wood. I assume the great deku tree's consciousness passes through fhe generations. Imagine growing up and dying over and over. Each life gives the guardian spirit fhe chance to slowly evolve himself to suit the changes
Forbidden woods isn't the lost woods because it has the hut shaped houses from kokiti forest in it, so its kokiri forest.
@@kevincloud574 well the sprout emerged and immediately told Link his history so it must inherit its parent's memories.
Love Windwaker!! Your videos are so informative and thorough!
I kind of always understood the forest haven as the kokiri forest...it just made sense to me at the time lol
wait you mean this isn't official? i've never met anyone who thought it *wasn't* the remains of kokiri forest.
Same I always thought that too
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Seeing Saria's house made me feel such lament. And with you Zeltic, telling the story, pointing that out, and playing some melancholy music. Made it felt more impactful. Thank you and Bravo.
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Hey Zeltik do you know if hoopsandhiphop ever plans on making more remixes?
I’m literally crying from nostalgia and I want to go back and play this again..
On one hand great video
On the other hand this has been the most basic level theory about the wind Waker. Like I remember being on forums over 10 years ago discussing this
And he said that very thing at the beginning of his video. My guess is that he just had a couple of extra points to show, and people have been asking for the comparison
I live for the music comparisons haha. Thank you for always including those 💜💜💜💜💜. Love this game series for real.
*sees thumbnail*
Me: WAIT WAT
How or why did it take me so long to find your channel?!?! Love the videos man, keep up the great work
Can you do more videos on zelda songs being remixed into other zelda games
You're a great host, Zeltik. I really like hearing your theories and stories, too. And your voice is nice to listen to. Keep doing what you're doing; you've got a new subscriber here!
Hmm... It might Forest Haven might have been the Kokiri.
The Great Deku tree there. So why not.
You just make fantastic videos....it really is as simple as that. All brilliantly edited and thought provoking with great theory’s. Keep up the good work 👌🏻
Theory? Nah bro. This is a fact. With all the proof you presented... It might as well be confirmed.