Is Planet 9 a Black Hole? With Dr. Jakub Scholtz and Dr. James Unwin
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- An exploration into the concept that instead of a ninth undiscovered planet lurking in the outer solar system there may be a primordial black hole.
Jakub Scholtz and James Unwin join John Michael Godier to discuss their recent paper What if Planet 9 is a Primordial Black Hole? And the implications that could mean.
"What if Planet 9 is a Primordial Black Hole?", Scholtz and Unwin, 2019.
arxiv.org/abs/1909.11090
Does Planet Nine Exist? Featuring Dr. Konstantin Batygin
• Does Planet Nine Exist...
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What do you think, does planet 9 exist? Is it a black hole? Or something else?
Watch our other episode on planet 9. Does Planet Nine Exist? Featuring Dr. Konstantin Batygin czcams.com/video/gG58idb6HuA/video.html
@walentaz halo drive 😉
I hope its a small black hole could that be the mystery of oumuamua sudden direction change and speeding up explained?
I like the primordial black hole idea but I'm bothered by the proposal to test it via rather hypothetical dark matter radiation events we so far know nothing about in terms experimental: Hawking radiation is only theoretical (and lacks a good unified theory behind to strongly support it), dark matter as WIMPS is also theoretical and in fact Hawking argued a few years ago for this type of black holes maybe being the actual dark matter, all the basis for this "test" are theoretical. On the other hand tracking the orbit of the microlensing events seems a much more direct and tested approach, as the sky is full of sources of light (stars, galaxies) to produce those events consistently with an orbiting mini black hole.
Anyhow I just love the idea of a black hole the size of a fist... but the gravitational effect of 10 Earths.
@@lucasgibbs4879 that was weird no?
@@alteredbeast7145 yeah very strange they said outgassing could have caused it but who knows i always hope its aliens haha
Absolutely LOVE all of your content John. I’m in the hospital for a couple more weeks and all of your content has been getting me through a really rough time. I want to thank you with all of my heart
A Drunk Weeb可愛い I hope it has nothing to do your username... ;-) good luck on your recovery
Thanks and get well soon! Best wishes, JMG.
This thread went downhill pretty quickly there..
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Get well soon, I hope you heal nicely. I am glad that there is yet another addict to learning. You are right on the mark with respect to John he is very interesting and has amazing guests, to top it off his commentary voice is very soothing. Cheers from Canada.
I love your videos John. I often listen to them late at night when my mind is racing and I always find them very relaxing and thought provoking. You do an excellent job of selecting content and guests.
Before I wasn’t interested in space, NOW I LOVE IT BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS THANK YOU!
I hope your not looking up earth like planets in the space because they're not real
Been a subscriber of your original channel for about a year. Really enjoying the content over there and now here on Event Horizon! Keep up the amazing work! :D
Thank you Wyatt!
Been eagerly waiting for this!
I discovered this channel earlyer this week. Its amazing. So much good content. Deserves more subscribers
So does this mean because it meets the definition of a planet by IAU? So it will be both a planet and a black hole?
- is in orbit around the Sun,
- has sufficient mass to assume hydrostatic equilibrium (a nearly round shape), and
- has "cleared the neighborhood" around its orbit.
We see what you did there and want you to know you will like next week’s episode very much.
Jupiter hasnt cleared its orbit, the black hole has. My Very Eager Mother BlackHole Served Us Noodles...
There is no possible way it's a black hole. Black holes require a mass much bigger than our sun. The sun would be orbiting around it. It's simply very dark and very far away. Pluto has a brightly colored surface that reflects light. What if planet x has a darkly colored surface? It's so far from the sun it would be SOO dark.
@@Arigator2 The discussion in the video is about a primordial black hole with the mass of a planet, not a typical black hole.
Stop using big words to sound smart. You contradict yourself in above comment
Very intriguing concept, even more so given the converging data sets! I really enjoyed this episode, great in-depth questions/discussion. Keep up the good work!
Glad to see this channel is growing ! Nice interview 😁
The learning, knowledge and insights I learn from everyone of these interviews are just astronomically stellar. You also should be nominated for some kind of outstanding award for your Chanel and all these outstanding guest interviews. You really do get The Who’s Who of Astronomy to guest spot and explain their research. That in itself is just also very exceptional aside as well and they all seem to enjoy it also the guests. I listen to this channel just as much as a podcast wit the CZcams app open dashing down the interstate highway as much as I do at home while doing many things or in that state of Lala land waking up in the morning, lying there listening with interest. So calming your voice and questions always are to the guests.
Damn this was great!!! I almost want to listen to it twice, because it just had so much great information in it. Thanks for another amazing interview/episode!
This was awesome!! Thanks for sharing
Love the spooky music in the intro...
Amazing video so informational and the actual authors are features! Always waiting for the next videos ypu publish :)
I'm not sure if you have always had this music, but this was an exception opening!
Always love these dialogues with scientists. So much more informative than rather clueless "science communicators"
Thanks Timothy!
Great job with the narration, John! You can really tell you put effort into it.
That guy was amazing, hope to hear him again here on event horizon
Love your channels John , always food for thought , respect from Scotland
What a good video! Thx JMG !
I love the various reactions to this paper, the title sounds alot like a youtube video all on its own (odd for an academic paper) and honestly I'm impressed you got the authors on your show! You've expressed caution and fear towards a black hole lurking out on the fringe, while Dr.Becky on her channel wants to keep it as a pet, its really neat to see how you all feel about it in addition to actually learning about whether it could be there or not. Personality based science news like this makes it so much more relate-able to the public and I think is a great thing going forward. Please keep up the great work and keep bringing great guests to the show, like Dr. Avi Loeb and the two gentleman today. And Anna you should give John a big hat budget! Its getting cold out and unlike you silly AI, we mammals do better warm.
Thank you! Next week is another fun one. Will be announcing it soon.
Your content is very informative. And I appreciate the way you share the information. With out dumbing down. I'm a fan of the BBC programme sky at night. And your channel reminds me of it. Thank you.
I love a good detective story; combined with astrophysics and, for me, this is a perfect episode of Event Horizon. Thanks.
These are so well done for conversational lectures
This is great. Nice work
This was an absolutely superb discussion. Most interesting idea I’ve heard in a long time.
John I am subscribed to both channels I love astronomy and Astro physics and your channels are the only ones that don't commercialize the subject for views thanks
It blows my mind that you only have 76k subscribers. You deserve to be much more popular! Well done sir!
I th8nk once you surpass a certain level of intelligence and general being, things like popularity stop meaning anything.... 😃
I listen to most episodes at 05:45 in the morning, driving in the dark with few cars on the road, sometimes with visible stars and it gives me time to wonder and learn besides daily work. It really let's me experience how wonderful and weird it is that i'm driving right there, right on that moment on this planet in the universe. It's beautiful. Thank you Event Horizon!
Thank you! Glad you enjoy them!
@username89 I think your avatar is the s hit ! I can't stop looking at it.
love these videos.
This along with the Oumuamua video are, I think, the best things I've ever watched on CZcams.
Love your videos, John!
Opening music was great! Where can I find more info about it?
The brilliant Miguel Johnson. migueljohnson.bandcamp.com/
Thanks from France… really interesting
Thank you!
John, you have some of the best content on you tube!!!!
Another interesting episode!
I liked it, very good information in this video, thanks for bringing so much knowledge to us.
Love the show, thats really thinking outside the box though. It must be so small if it exists or else surely none of us would even be here. Always interesting subjects, where Dr Grey :)
A planetary mass black hole of the type under discussion would be smaller than a grapefruit.
However -- why would you even think a black hole out beyond the orbit of Neptune would pose any kind of threat? Why would you think we "wouldn't even be here?" Any such planetary mass object would be in orbit around the sun -- it's not like it would swoop down on the planets and gobble them up.
A fascinating and informative video, and to top it all I learned two new words, _interpretated_ and _astronoid,_ so that's good.
@John. This really kills me to say this because I discovered you through your initial collaboration with Issac Arthur and while I find him to be the equal to Carl Sagan as a science communicator in my honest opinion you have surpassed him with Event Horizon. I mean no disrespect to Issac but I find myself looking forward to your show every week more so than SFIA. And that says a lot as I was following Issac since his first video. Regardless of any of my personal opinions and the love I have for both of your channels Thursday is my favorite day of the week.
Standing on the shoulders of giants. I prefer that... 😃
Awesome video love it best one I have ever seen
Use this black hole for a gravitational assist. The black hole if in the proper alignment, could provide a gravitational assist for Star Shot light sails to even higher than 10% the speed of light.
Oumuamua changed direction for no reason but dont know if it happened at a distance that it could have been caused by a little black hole if it was at the right distance we know where to start looking
I believe it was influenced by the sun.
I keep hearing a noise behind the dialog, like pieces of music muted or scrambled. When I pause the video, it stops. Is this an effect of the black hole?
21:05
'outer solar system anomalies...'
'nice video summarizing this on this channel...'
My question: which video is it?
czcams.com/video/gG58idb6HuA/video.html
lol great job guys, I look forward to the jokes at the end too, so lame but in a endearing sort of way.. Im a huge fan now looking forward to more.
Can you imagine how much we could learn from this.
One idea to find planet 9 which i haven't seen mentioned yet is to intentionally use its gravity effects on spaceprobes to better localize it. Batygin mentions using the absence of effects on known spacecraft trajectories to exclude certain regions, which is just the reverse. Shoot off a "pattern" of very fast, light, cheap probes to cover the likely area. The probes have only a radio signal and a small RTG and could essentially be cubesats. Then measure their trajectories for perturbation. With only two probes perturbed you should be able to localize an unseen mass pretty accurately.
I love this idea. So elegant and makes so much common sense.
it makes little scientific nor logical sense though. makes a lot of sense if you want publicity though.
@@goprojoe7449 Really? I'd love to hear why you think that.
What is that star @ 32:14 ?
May I ask who does the introduction voiceover in your videos?
Eryn Knight. Right there in the opening credits.
Loved it Mr Pickle Pirate de le Barron
Fantastic episode! Having two guests was cool. Whether it's a rogue planet or a primordial blackhole if we can find it imagine what we could learn. Thanks for the episode! Also if you're going to be a pirate John you need a good pirate name.
Down at the VFW they call me "Firebeard" after a BBQ mishap. That should work as a pirate name.
@@JohnMichaelGodier 😂
John Michael, I haven't decided if your programs fascinate or terrify me! ;)
Would it be Planet 9 or Black hole 1?
I was thinking of the Wow signal, and wondered if it could have been caused by an asteroid having a close encounter (or collision with) with a primordial black hole in the outer solar system?
If this was the case, could the signal location be used to help us determine if there is a primordial black hole, and its location?
I'm of no merit to answer that question, but yes that could be the case if coolness is a valid argument
I've seen 4 or 5 podcasts from this channel and beside the fact that they are very educational and entertaining I also have noticed that every time there is view of the earth, there is a face of some kind of creature in it, quite often
we love to see it
Please I would like to know that,is there any concerns with LHC creating black hole in our star system?. thanks love your show.
Thanks
Great, we got a source for power up our spacecraft speed, when we want to leave the solar system.
unfortunately we will never be able to leave our solar system :(
We won’t, but soon humans may be able too.
@@ratgrandmother8787 why would you wanna do that ? There is no point to it, you cant ever go back well you could but timedilation makes sure you dont see your loved ones or humanity again. Everything we ever need is our backyard so to speak, and still our backyard is soooo far away its mindboggling. But still the timedilation is the biggest problem after the distance.
Not sure that coming back will still be an issue in the futur sol system
@@ratgrandmother8787 no the Oort Cloud prevents it completely
Imagine if the annunaki started messing with stuff like we are doing and ended up creating a black hole which swallowed nibiru and thats why we cant find it or them.
If it happen to be a Black Hole, could be send a probe there? How long would it take with current technology?
My question is, what would happen if a rogue object like umamua ( sry i dont remember exact spelling ) hit that tennis ball sized black hole?
What would we be able to observe of an event like that?
The idiocy of the standard scientist community.
Wasnt it called Pluto at some point? Swear there "was" a planet called Pluto.
At this point, I'm convinced that Dark Matter is nothing but smaller black holes that we haven't discovered yet.
Hawking did argue for that, at least as a not fully discarded possibilty, in a paper from this decade. It'd be less weird than WIMPs at least in some aspects but who knows?
However, if that's true, how many mini black holes would be only in the Solar System, just an average for calculations, as the proportion of dark matter is supposed to be 5:1 relative to normal matter? Is the Oort Cloud full of black holes the size of a baseball?
That possibility has been thoroughly looked into and dismissed by the scientific community as a whole.
If the tentative lensing events in the OOGL dataset can be traced out as an arc, things get very interesting indeed.
A very honest interview
I fell asleep to this on a loop last night... messed up dreams man.
That's all I got to say about it.
I do that all the time; never (EVER) watch the Borg story arcs from Star Trek while sleeping. Ever.
@@ErynKnight Well now I'm intrigued to the point of being compelled to try it, and resisting the urge would be futile.
@@SwitchModeMutations I am absolutely not responsible for any recurring nightmares. BUT if you must watch Star Trek, my favourite dream eps are:
TNG: Night Terrors
TNG: Schisms
TNG: Phantasms
Bonus Voyager:
VGR: Waking Moments
A Cuchi Moya!
Glad to hear I am not the only one this has occurred to. Only about three weeks ago, listening with head phones on and falling asleep, my dreams center directly on the content! It is usually science shows like Event Horizon. I have never been able to impact my dreams so this new thing fascinated me. I have kept it to myself until now.
The obvious use is as a pre lense for a Space Telescope. Allow us to see much farther.
Yes. czcams.com/video/OjXN-SmHvC0/video.html
Anyone remember the guy talking about "un-nova's" I don't remember the spelling period. I remember it was something to do with black holes forming without the class of a star and I think it could currently happen not be primordial. I wish I remembered or knew more
before watching after the intro : well something's gotta explain why the planets are tilted in our solar system!
The solar system passed through an interstellar alcohol cloud billions of years ago and they're still drunk.
Conventional search method involves looking for visible objects that appear to move across the background of stars. Would it not make sense to also look for areas of gravitational lensing that appear to move across the background of stars?
Phillip Probst that's what i was thinking!
Hey! I'm disappointed Mr. JMG! You didn't close with your iconic "in which we liiiiiiive" what the heck?! 😉😋
the use would be gravational assist ....for leaving the solar system.....entirely to go elsewhere in fact thats very interesting idea
also could you have 2 of these of say one being 4 earth masses and another being 6 masses and what if every 26 million years these two intereacted ina way that caused issues
Hmmm.. this is getting curiouser and curiouser...
Ive thought about this. I was hoping it would be more massive though, as a local black hole would be an ideal gravitational telescope.
Good notion, wouldn't such a local black hole be an absolute boon to science. Cheers from Canada.
Your intro music makes me feel like I’m about to go on a 007 international spy mission 👀
Should there be " Worm Holes " , and if you except that there are Mutiverses, the missing mass and missing energy comes from them ?
A Blackhole could be a very nearby halo drive. Which would be hugely useful.
The sun is harder to send stuff to then out of the system.
This episode's intro was 2spooky!
Do we even know what's between stars in galaxies? I mean galaxies seem to have more mass than expected i.e. dark matter maybe an answer to the fermi paradox is that there's just too much junk in between stars not to hit going at even 10% the speed of light in a ship like black holes, asteroids, dust etc.
All our telescopes ever really see is stars and not how much stuff is in between them.
Solid🕴
I really would like to sit and grab a couple of beers with these guys and talk about this phenomena, although im not scientist lol.
My question would be; if this object exists, could we potentially use it to aid interstellar travel; i.e. by gaining an extra sling-shot manoeuvre as a craft exits the solar system ..?
The answer maybe that we are currently falling through the dark abyss of a black hole
Is it any thing to worry about?
Hey that’s the 1st time I seen someone who spells their name like I do in 37 years of being alive,no joke
Jakub pogubila . This is more proof of the multiverse. All possibilities exist. You didn’t even have to leave the planet to find your namesake, let alone travel to another bubble universe.
Mit Seraffej lol
It's the Polish spelling of Jacob
Swedish Slacker yup your right because im polish lol.
Jacob*
I dont know if you read these... But what if itsa galactic lagrange point in our heliopause? Not sure how to ask them!!
What if you could achieve interstellar travel, without any need for speed, by plotting your course away from interaction with massive, and/or highly electro-magnetic objects, thereby avoiding their "gravitational" spheres of influence, and possibly their "time stream" influences as well, if there actually was some such time stream construct. Like Peter Pan, just head towards the second star to the left, and straight on til dawn. To you, by staying in the time stream eddies, it would feel like hardly any time had passed. Just a a high thought that seemed like a kinda cool what if.
Maybe a small black hole passing through caused the late heavy bombardment :-)
It could be hypothesized to be the object that reversed the rotation of Venus and turned Uranus on its side.
Geoff Halsey
And destroyed the planet between Mars & Jupiter the asteroid belt now with its moon Ceres.! Plus Mars seems to have had a catastrophic event! Earth 2 has had some extinctions, floods and also humans found some old written records of the sun staying still or a possible rotational slow down or change?
We know nothing of what’s really out in space? It’s changing every day with new data on what’s really going on. ????? Not sure though, just made me think about it from your comment.
Im actually surprised that this isnt discussed mire.
Cool episode Event Horizon.
Is a future video about the E8 theory possible? I mean it's a very hard subject to talk about but it's fascinating and very unknown at the moment. :)
Greetings from the Netherlands. :)
Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Exceptionally_Simple_Theory_of_Everything
Can you upload to Bitchute?
A black hole in the solar system... makes sense, there has to be an unusual reason our solar system is weird and different from most other exo-planetary systems out there.
What about the Pioneer's? Are they sure the solar wind is an explanation for that weird deviation they had?
I found Nibiru. On the ISS live feed but its only visible for a brief amount of time when the light hits it just right. I posted it on my channel WayTru Media
I know it's off topic, but could someone explain how the heck an object could orbit a Lagrange point, like jwst is supposed to orbit L2?
@@javaman4584 but JSWT will be orbiting L2, which is a peak, it is unstable. I can see how an object might be slingshot back in toward both objects if you sent it around L2, but if an object is moving inward toward both objects, what mechanism would make it start moving away from both of them again? Because it would need to do that to orbit L2, right?
@@javaman4584 I found the answer. It will have what is called a "halo" orbit, perpendicular to both the plane of earth's orbit, and the line of between earth and sun. It won't ever move closer to ether earth or the sun, but will kind of roll over and under L2, as if L2 were the center of a wheel rolling along with earth's orbit.
Boy! That ANNA is becoming meaner. It's only a matter of time until the AI's finally decide we're the hindrance. PS. I'm relieved to hear there's not much material out at 300AU. Perturbing orbits is one of my biggest fears. It wouldn't take much to disturb the nice resonance of planetary orbits into a chaotic situation. I wouldn't like us to be flung away into rogue status! (Didn't you or Isaac base an episode on that?) Thanks for another fascinating interview.
Muon Dome Flight, hear it on A Loren Emmerich production