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  • čas přidán 8. 08. 2023
  • The Barbie Movie is out, and the next hyperreal production on the cultural docket is "barbiecore." I thought this would be worth looking at in terms of its semiotics, but then all the signs got out of hand. We're in the image cult and we may as well put our feet on the gas of this plastic, pink, porsche cuz why not.
    If you want to spend a few hours watching a playlist of how we got here, here you are: • Images of the Postmode...
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    All the Baudrillard lectures are on / plasticpills

Komentáře • 166

  • @DropoutJournal
    @DropoutJournal Před 9 měsíci +29

    It's interesting how you've highlighted this kind of irony within Barbie's messaging. I don't know if you're familiar with fantasy literature or media generally, but considering the fantasy genre over the last couple of decades (I would say including superhero content) has absolutely exploded in popularity, there's this sense of irony there as well.
    For instance, in "The Boys", there's this massive critique of how corporations utilize memes to sway public opinion and protect institutions from scrutiny, while the show itself is an Amazon Prime exclusive, and their meme marketing has been very heavy. Similarly, fantasy as a genre (specifically high fantasy) has gotten to the point where older media like Lord of the Rings may have had some messaging to convey in their capacity as artwork, but with modern fantasy so fixated on merchandise, ecosystems of reference, and this concept of "immersion" in the world that has people more fixated on the story being told within a fictional world rather than what we are supposed to take away from a work of art, it seems like there's a definite sense of some kind of realization of a hyperreality.
    The lines between art and reality have blurred to the point where people no longer learn from art and are more focused on escaping within it that the media has institutionalized this into a commercial strategy.
    I don't know if what I'm trying to say is very clear, but I'd be interested in your take on this.

    • @perfectfutures
      @perfectfutures Před 8 měsíci +1

      Interesting, so art has become somewhat stripped of its meaning, or at least that plays second fiddle to it’s presentation, the quality of the effects and it’s immersive, even escapist qualities.
      But isn’t it also true that the morals conveyed by art are always a subtle message, programmed into their immersive, hypnotic setting. A preacher sounds too preachy, so the clothes of a storyteller attract a wider audience, as Lord of the Rings, Marvel or Barbie would have it. Maybe we have the means to tell the stories in a richer way, the stories themselves and their struggle of light over darkness has always been at the core of them. Barbie’s bright, cheerful colors and approach mark her as a child of the goddess of light, just one for a seemingly different age, one of moving images.
      Humans haven’t changed much, society hasn’t changed all that much, but our technics have advanced.
      Maybe I find all these changes fascinating, but I’m not so sure that anything fundamental has changed, we just change and understand ourselves differently. I’d need some really hard proof that there’s really anything ‘new under the sun’.

  • @Nathanatos22
    @Nathanatos22 Před 9 měsíci +70

    I’ve often heard “chic” as a suffix denote a fashion trend-e.g., “boho-chic”-so it’s interesting that “core” has only recently usurped it.
    “Core” has a more hyperreal connotation, encompassing personality itself in addition to the aesthetic connotation “chic” already implies. I don’t think it’s a coincidence then that “Barbiecore” and the like are so heavily associated with consumer culture.

    • @stevk0_-
      @stevk0_- Před 9 měsíci +2

      huh

    • @rebelwithacause5307
      @rebelwithacause5307 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Good find. Core does indeed imply personality, lifestyle, historical revisionism, ideology etc.

    • @kshproductions7996
      @kshproductions7996 Před 9 měsíci +8

      I do wonder how core went from a suffix to describe music that's influenced by the hardcore scene to having lost such a meaning entirely

    • @deadalonethe1
      @deadalonethe1 Před 9 měsíci +11

      I suspect it must have come from music, where core is used in that way. From crossing of hardcore and metal came metalcore, death metal + hardcore = deathcore, and after this, the suffix "-core" begins its own life without the original meaning: grindcore, nintendocore, crabcore, and all kinds of abominations, pointing more and more towards visual references instead of musical roots. Similar tendencies can be found in electronic music. After some time, "-core" really just began to mean "related to something", however vague it may be and the same is happening here.

    • @asuka_the_void_witch
      @asuka_the_void_witch Před 9 měsíci

      "chic" is used for interior design as well.

  • @zs9652
    @zs9652 Před 9 měsíci +42

    Honestly best critique of the Barbie movie and you only mentioned it in a passing sentence.

    • @svensafarow2368
      @svensafarow2368 Před 9 měsíci +1

      And he didn't even watch the movie! (which he mentioned in the first Barbie video)

    • @Bojoschannel
      @Bojoschannel Před 9 měsíci +9

      ​@@svensafarow2368zizek move

  • @WorldEverett
    @WorldEverett Před 9 měsíci +90

    I came for Barbie, I came out looking like Schopenhauer

    • @LeeWhittington
      @LeeWhittington Před 9 měsíci +2

      No you didn’t bro

    • @renendell
      @renendell Před 8 měsíci +4

      He may just mean he’s been blown away. Schopenhauer looks like he stuck his finger in a socket.
      Mind blown

    • @user-rg7ji4mm1v
      @user-rg7ji4mm1v Před 6 měsíci +3

      Shoppenheimer

    • @LostSoulAscension
      @LostSoulAscension Před 12 dny

      *No you didn't bro* 😂😂😂 Shoppinghauer 💀💀💀

  • @relateuk2003
    @relateuk2003 Před 8 měsíci +6

    This is one of those videos that doesn't have enough views. I hope this goes viral or gets millions of views in years to come

  • @Zorbo_the_Grandiloquent
    @Zorbo_the_Grandiloquent Před 9 měsíci +21

    Barbelo
    Barbēlō (Greek: Βαρβηλώ)
    Barbelo refers to the first emanation of God in several forms of Gnostic cosmogony. Barbēlō is often depicted as a supreme female principle, the single passive antecedent of creation in its manifoldness. This figure is also variously referred to as 'Mother-Father' (hinting at her apparent androgyny), 'The Triple Androgynous Name', or 'Eternal Aeon'. So prominent was her place amongst some Gnostics that some schools were designated as Barbeliotae, Barbēlō worshippers or Barbēlō gnostics.

    • @marcoonroad7
      @marcoonroad7 Před 9 měsíci +5

      b a s e d, or rather, b a r b i e s e d

    • @Xanaduum
      @Xanaduum Před 9 měsíci

      Didn't Grant Morrison use it for 'Barbeleth?'

    • @lonelytweaker
      @lonelytweaker Před 3 měsíci

      I thought that was Sophia?

    • @ip-sum
      @ip-sum Před 22 dny

      Uhhhh

  • @packman2321
    @packman2321 Před 9 měsíci +46

    I do wonder if we've ever existed fully without the hyperreal. I remember reading somewhere the theory that cave paintings weren't representations of animals, but more instructions 'This animal is here' or 'Remember this is the place the x is.' I tend to lean a bit over onto the idea I once read in an essay by Latour, that we can't actually deal with the real, it's too detailed, it's too inaccessible and when we peel the layers of meaning off of it, it can't actually make sense (sense after all being a property of meanings, interpretations and relations, not brute objects themselves).
    I wonder in that case if we've always navigated the hyperreal, layering images and words on top of our 'real' sensory stimulus to make stuff make sense. Obviously we've then elaborated those layers into structures that can produce more images and give us control over what images go where, but I'm not entirely convinced we can lift those layers away without arriving at something pre-thought, pre-experience and pre-meaning and I don't know what we'd do if we found such a reality, other than start weaving meanings back together and knit our significations back together again.

    • @cassandrafalkner3405
      @cassandrafalkner3405 Před 9 měsíci +6

      you, my friend, just described an LSD breakthrough--at a certain point, typically the peak, the trip reaches as close to the 'truth' as the individual human mind can perceive, and the rest of the trip is spent re-knitting meanings and significations back together. hence, the average person is best tripping with someone more experienced or else an outright teacher, as during this process the human mind is wont to reapply meaning to the 'truth' based on their existing notions and beliefs prior to the trip.

    • @deathrides4756
      @deathrides4756 Před 9 měsíci

      Consider Baudrillards' critique of Debords thesis in the SOTS; to create in the mind the image of society - before the spectacle - is a simulation of sorts. Like the essay you mentioned, Baudrillard also makes the claim that the hyperreap has existed far beyond and sort of mass media like is typically understood today and that, also, reality is fundamentally unknowable.

    • @MrOzzification
      @MrOzzification Před 9 měsíci +4

      Interesting observation, I've sort of come to understand that, through a different train of thought which may give the necessity of a hyperreal a material basis.
      Humans cannot know "truth" or cannot fully understand reality as it is. At least, not right away. We cannot achieve omniscience or omnipresence (as much as we try to with surveillance technology).
      As much as we can directly interface with reality on a physical level, knowing and fully understanding that reality requires several steps and "truth" cannot be jumped to instantaneously.
      We can only start with interpretations of reality as derived from our senses, observations from limited perspectives and extent of our knowledge.
      When faced with stimuli or observations, our brains can process and interpret such differently.
      Our brains also have a habit of wanting to arrive at some conclusion in order to make a decision. Irrespective of possessing full/incomplete information.
      Because it is extremely difficult and very often nigh impossible to tell when complete information has been obtained; we'll always (knowingly or unknowingly) draw conclusions based off incomplete information. Its an inevitability tbh.
      This drives the creation of worldviews, ideologies, myth-making in order to make sense of the reality we exist in and the set of observations made in it. Especially to fill in the gaps where our knowledge falls short.
      Anytime a set of observations are made that could be linked to form a pattern, a conclusion/belief is derived. This can only start as an interpretation of those observations and is not yet a truth of reality. Even if those observations turn out to be true, determining that is an additional layer of work, requiring investigation and questioning of observstions etc. Which is a deliberate and conscious activity in contrast to observances or experiencing stimulus which is passive and unconscious.
      Because of this gap between reality, our interpretations of it and the need to make sense of those interpretations, we'll always need or create a hyper-real.

    • @jesusbaal4188
      @jesusbaal4188 Před 9 měsíci

      What you said remembered me of the birth of tragedy, the veil of illusion that we put onto ourselves to protect us from the non-sensical world of Dionysus

    • @landotter
      @landotter Před 6 měsíci

      other animals know nothing of our symbols, do they?

  • @guidovanthaar3761
    @guidovanthaar3761 Před 9 měsíci +15

    'Signs' by Plastic, it's fantastic.

  • @PhilMccamley
    @PhilMccamley Před 9 měsíci +6

    Kinda reminds me of Oscar Wilde's small dialogue on whether art imitates life or vice versa.
    I think ultimately you have to choose whether you want your art to be completely detached from most day to day experiences or grounded within that. I enjoy art that tends towards surrealism, which i like to believe is because that is where language can become all the more flexible and make nonsense seem meaningful. Your own eyes are begging you to make sense of an Yves Tanguy painting because we can accept that meaningless objects floating in randomn order can and do mean something.
    The mind amalgamates the things it struggles to understand as chimeras, where boundaries become moot because shadows can easily overlap.

  • @edwinhassid.7337
    @edwinhassid.7337 Před 9 měsíci +10

    Being into fashion myself, the use of the suffix 'core' in fashion terms is a pretty recent addition to the fashion lexicon, within the last decade. 'Normcore' was actually a term coined by Post Internet (art movement) millennials that were apathetic towards fashion trends around 2011 and decided to dress like normal everyday people as a fashion style. It was rebooted in the wrong context around 2017 for mainstream people unironically wearing normal clothes.

    • @deathrides4756
      @deathrides4756 Před 9 měsíci +5

      "Unironically wearing normal clothes" - do you realise how schizophrenic that sounds?

    • @edwinhassid.7337
      @edwinhassid.7337 Před 9 měsíci +6

      @@deathrides4756 totally, if your not into fashion and didn't read the first half of my comment.

    • @maxonmendel5757
      @maxonmendel5757 Před 9 měsíci +3

      ​@@edwinhassid.7337so...
      Normcore was originally people who "didn't care about fashion" wearing normal clothes ironically?

    • @havaf
      @havaf Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@deathrides4756at least it isn’t the bad type of schizophrenic CZcams comment

    • @deathrides4756
      @deathrides4756 Před 9 měsíci

      @maxonmendel5757 What's pertinent is 'core'. Once again, fashion keeps the gate locked and taunts those outside of it by reducing existence to an aesthetic and lording over others in its debauchery of signs. Fashion really is ugly in the most Baudrillardian sense. Its followers are as vapid as its proponents.

  • @cassandrafalkner3405
    @cassandrafalkner3405 Před 9 měsíci +5

    way to suckerpunch me with an existential crisis in the middle of the day mannnn

  • @rodrigomachado5291
    @rodrigomachado5291 Před 2 měsíci

    This channel brings me back to Social Communication graduation’s semiotics classes.

  • @GothClown69
    @GothClown69 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Barbie packaging is consistently pink. That’s it. The branding is pink, therefore pink will always evoke thoughts of Barbie. It doesn’t matter that she wears others colors, she’s always packaged in pink, the Barbie aisle is pink, there is a literal Barbie pink shade. It’s branding.

  • @gabrielr4329
    @gabrielr4329 Před 10 měsíci +19

    The iconoclastic concept you propose mostly applies to Protestantism and Islam. Orthodox churches are filled with images all over the walls, after all, Christ is the express image of God and can therefore be depicted along with the saints.

    • @benzur3503
      @benzur3503 Před 9 měsíci +7

      Because it’s too simplistic to see them as oppositional. Mosques also contain beautiful colourful abstract art that aims to tickle the sublime. Protestants maintain an aesthetic of behaviour even if not one of art. Plato doesn’t banish the poets away from the city because they’re necessarily liars. He banished them because their effects are hard to predict. Recognising that art can strengthen and can also weaken common understandings between people isn’t just limited to Plato. Desire to gain control over social narratives through appearances isn’t limited to religions, it’s a political tool. And like anything political- saying it’s bad and that we want nothing to do with it doesn’t simply makes it go away. It has potential to harm, to constrict and to destroy. It also has potential to aid common understandings, to connect differing individuals, to bridge a shared language and shared goals. And all of those I’ve listed here can have more or less harmful uses and more or less beneficial uses. We want conceptual shortcuts so we won’t have to dig through this biblical scroll I’ve already written here to scratch the surface of the really existing complexity. Well tough shit. We’re stuck in this mess. We can wait for the sky to fall on our heads or we can try and understand this mess of existence without taking conceptual shortcuts and weeping at the sun potentially not rising tomorrow.

    • @maxonmendel5757
      @maxonmendel5757 Před 9 měsíci

      yeah, cathodoxy is inherently image based

    • @frimports
      @frimports Před 8 měsíci

      Except the express image of God as one of The Beach Boys circa 1971, cannot even be close to accurate. There are some Jews with blond hair, rare but possible. However milky white skin for someone who spent their entire life in Israel and outside seems dubious. Also why is Christ on the cross as depicted by the crucifix shown as starving. Jesus could dispense unlimited bread from a single loaf, why would the Lord be starving?

  • @jkg7661
    @jkg7661 Před 9 měsíci +3

    thanks for putting out this audio and video for us nonpatrons

  • @mysticrealness
    @mysticrealness Před 8 měsíci +1

    the overlaid barbie concept map thing is like some wretched inversion of the sephiroth

  • @pedrol.mammini4940
    @pedrol.mammini4940 Před 8 měsíci +1

    You should read Adorno's "Ideia of natural-history". I think it presents some interesting ideas regarding mythic imagery, it's conflict with aesthetical content developed throught history and perfectly encapsulates how Adorno and Benjamin would react to this phenomenon you're talking about (the apprehension of meaning despite the the incessant return of physis and myth through time). It also talks a lot about symbols, signs, semiotics and dialectics!

  • @Bojoschannel
    @Bojoschannel Před 9 měsíci +4

    Coincidentally i'm right at the part in Snow Crash where Hiro and a librarian ai are researching about how viruses, as computer viruses, are far older than we believe, dating back to mesopotamia and the invention of writing and how the propagation and creation of the first sumerian texts led to the dissemination of more languages that have nothing in common with the original one, specially thru the act of "speaking in tongues" and the various religions associated with it. Haven't finished yet and it is obviously fiction, not theory, but together with this video the same question lingers, have we been slaves to images for far longer than we have thought?

  • @TheJayman213
    @TheJayman213 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Baudrillard's "Red Pill" right here

  • @dieselphiend
    @dieselphiend Před 6 měsíci

    Abstraction is essentially the cornerstone of Plato's Cave of subjectivity, and subjecthood.

  • @chriscaventer596
    @chriscaventer596 Před 9 měsíci +9

    Think its interesting that the AI wave has been much more impressive in the realm of images and image generation, rather than in texts and ideas (...so far, I suppose). The real human AI streamers (ice cream so good) take the image and imbue it with the logos of the performer - who knows what the audience wants.

  • @neilbarker3873
    @neilbarker3873 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Coolest one yet. Baudrillard without Baudrillard.

  • @ip-sum
    @ip-sum Před 22 dny

    "its only so often hyper reality whips you in the face with a synthetic ponytail" 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @tabryis
    @tabryis Před 9 měsíci +2

    You're breaking new ground! Love your content!!!!!

  • @RoboDepot
    @RoboDepot Před 9 měsíci +2

    At 12:00 you basically described the premise to the book American gods

  • @livialavendula777
    @livialavendula777 Před 9 měsíci +4

    Someone needs to make Plasticpillscore a thing

    • @wintermute3402
      @wintermute3402 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Awesome idea actually. Whenever I direct my friends here to this channel, I'm going to call it that from now on.

  • @paul66766
    @paul66766 Před 9 měsíci +4

    2:12 it's false nostalgia, it's doesn't need to be based on "actual historical reality" just a hyper simplified version of history sold to the people who never lived in that era, and those too old to actually remember any better.

    • @havaf
      @havaf Před 9 měsíci

      Did you play with Barbies?

    • @paul66766
      @paul66766 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@havaf way to miss the point there, bud. pull your finger out.

  • @gardnjw
    @gardnjw Před 2 měsíci +1

    Very insightful... the situation itself sort of sucks, but the video is insightful

  • @okforevigt
    @okforevigt Před 9 měsíci +2

    great work complex but direct

    • @okforevigt
      @okforevigt Před 9 měsíci

      and i think your personel attitude helps the viewer receive the message

  • @alexandrialgardner
    @alexandrialgardner Před 6 měsíci +1

    You're the bomb! I love you and "your work!!"

  • @ludviglidstrom6924
    @ludviglidstrom6924 Před 9 měsíci +1

    You have by far the coolest and most beautiful aesthetics of any CZcams channel I know.

  • @jab8618
    @jab8618 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Sick production, clever as fuck, awesome video

  • @ClappingandCheering
    @ClappingandCheering Před 9 měsíci +1

    Very interesting video. Do you think dialogue between one another would combat the dominance of images and our passivity to them? Your video reminds me that we have easily succumbed to images because of the increased anti-socialness of the world. Since images cannot really be eliminated altogether obviously, I wonder if the impact of images, at least, could be dulled if we could just converse and engage with one another in the pursuit of learning new information more often.

  • @josephkneale3265
    @josephkneale3265 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Connecting the death of god/gods with the proliferation of images is obviously not novel but I have to say the way it’s laid out here is really thought provoking.

  • @nyarparablepsis872
    @nyarparablepsis872 Před 4 měsíci +1

    The semiosphere is churning!

  • @RoboDepot
    @RoboDepot Před 8 měsíci

    I feel as though it’s very important to the subject matter of this page to address the societal structures that will be massively impacted by ai, we face a harrowing danger if the power structures are not redistributed and instead made infinitely powerful. I encourage you to use your platform to spread awareness to this given your goal of creating a more just and equal society. Some pages I recommend mostly David Shapiro, some Tom Bilyue, for politics and theory around ai, and Matt Wolfe for technology updates

  • @benzur3503
    @benzur3503 Před 9 měsíci +5

    Why should we consider them as distinct copyoriginal and not reflectively co-affecting pieces of an observable process? Why should we not understand “the immutable end of history” as a form of understanding of the present, and a pretty common one at that? Of seeing what led to the present to exist, and thus concluding it the end of the process. Whether the process keeps on going or not. Fukuyama thought war was over, and then he recognised it was not. You base your pessimism on shakey ground Pills.

  • @ludviglidstrom6924
    @ludviglidstrom6924 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Plastic Pills is the best!

  • @astarothgr
    @astarothgr Před 9 měsíci

    Solid content!

  • @0RTH0CHAD
    @0RTH0CHAD Před 9 měsíci +3

    Thanks for an interesting video, I have a question: So your proposal for what to do towards the end of the video, is to basically sit back and analyze the on-goings of the culture (i.e. through books) so that we won't become "disappearing subjects that are powerless in the face of images"? Assume we do have the power over all images we engaged, from what standard/point of view/side exactly are we standing from? Is it a 'neutral' point of view? Is the proposal telling us that we should be "outsiders" so to speak looking in and analyzes the culture--- that's what we should do?

    • @echol8087
      @echol8087 Před 9 měsíci +3

      Maybe the question shouldn't be "What should we do?", but "Can we do anything at all?" Images have been, and will be, no matter how worshipped or forgotten they have become. I think that was the point. Images of old gods, are images. Images of new gods, like Barbie, are images, just on a more massive, scale, as fast as they can be produced. And with AI creating images inspired by its own images, it's like gods making gods now, without any input from humans. As humans, of course, we can take a step back and become alien anthropologists and try to rationalize this all and tell people what images are doing to them, how we are no longer the creators, but what would that solve? Capitalism will still produce, will still capitalize.
      Even our stories of "utopia", or "revolution", whether fictionalized (what we can imagine) or what has been historical, has images. Like PlasticPills said, and though I'm loath to believe him and will have to put more thought into it, there is no battle of black / white, right / wrong, left / right, liberal / conservative, capitalism / anarchism, etc / etc, it's images vs images.
      In my utopic (word?) belief, maybe the complete and utter destruction / fall of capitalism could end this type of image war. Dunno. Probably not. Images are powerful. Always will be, for us humans. Doesn't mean we have to let them control us, bring in the "hyper real". I think capitalistic production really makes that "real" hyper.

    • @0RTH0CHAD
      @0RTH0CHAD Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@echol8087 Thanks. "Can we do anything at all?"--is indeed a correct way of looking at it.
      I do want to still leave this question open though, namely, "what should we do about it?" Because if there are such a thing as images/patterns that are 'good'/better for us and those that are worse for us, which there is; since there's nothing we can do about the images, does it also means that we have to "pick a side"? I mean--Images are inevitable, but what images/rituals/patterns we decides to entertains, participate and lives through are not. This might be a bigger topic than it sounds so I'm not looking for any fixed answers, just want to leave the question open and see if u and others here would entertain it.
      Thanks again

  • @animefurry3508
    @animefurry3508 Před 9 měsíci +5

    Man is made in God's image
    Or is
    God is made of man's image
    Neither
    Both God and Man arrive at the same moment.

  • @AnimalJusticeEmergency
    @AnimalJusticeEmergency Před 8 měsíci

    My brain feels like it's just been dragged on a 20 mile hike. Appreciate the workout 👍

  • @irpwellyn
    @irpwellyn Před 9 měsíci +10

    Fellow hostages of the prevailing image regime, lemme see you in the comments 👇👇👇

  • @mylesjeffers6148
    @mylesjeffers6148 Před 9 měsíci

    Hollowing out life to images of life frees up more mental spaces for more images. It's free real estate!
    I want dense sacred objects that carry layers of meaning. Where just a mere glance unleashes entire stories

  • @sgutierrez413
    @sgutierrez413 Před 8 měsíci +1

    cool vid, commenting so this doesn't fade from my algo

  • @Jose-yr7ji
    @Jose-yr7ji Před 9 měsíci +2

    This channel is cool 😎

  • @justincheatham6070
    @justincheatham6070 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Does your Patreon have a reading group? Because I have a hard time following along and could probably benefit from explanations in more detail.

    • @lvl99paint
      @lvl99paint Před 9 měsíci +2

      his patreon has video exclusives where he reads interesting theory, recently he did lots of baudrillard read alongs they're great!

  • @Panama_lewis
    @Panama_lewis Před 9 měsíci +7

    Core suffix comes from hardcore punk. It originally denoted a sub genre of punk or heavy music ie; crustcore, metalcore etc. Core originally expressed one’s authenticity and devotion to the sub culture of the genre. If you were Core, you weren’t a poser. You kept it “real”, enforcing the code and conduct of the “scene”.

  • @Kilian308
    @Kilian308 Před 3 měsíci

    this is really very seductive content 🤩 no really, thank you for this.

  • @uydagcusdgfughfgsfggsifg753
    @uydagcusdgfughfgsfggsifg753 Před 8 měsíci

    JackSepticEye’s second channel is so good wtf

  • @quantumastrologer5599
    @quantumastrologer5599 Před 9 měsíci +13

    I for one welcome our new, imaginary overlords.

  • @amanofnoreputation2164
    @amanofnoreputation2164 Před 9 měsíci +1

    As interesting as it is I'm not particularly convinced of this idea of image and abstraction in conflict because I'm in the same Jungian camp as Terrence McKenna and consider image and writing to both be the same thing under the umbrella term "language." Images may war against each other, the God image very prudently forbidding his own competitors, but the man who says we're all spectators may well have said that specifically because he himself felt like one. It's a very easy mindset to get into. In fact it's thousnds of years old at least. This cycle of the spectacle is just Samara again. It's hardly a new phenomenon of the post-modern era.

    • @jackdarby2168
      @jackdarby2168 Před 9 měsíci

      11:24 for some reason the belief that images are more active than humans seem to get some people very excited.

  • @meatloaf5766
    @meatloaf5766 Před 9 měsíci +2

    I’m addicted to pills

  • @wintermute3402
    @wintermute3402 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I think it would be incredibly woke if you inserted at least a clip of yourself teaching these concepts as an anime girl in VRChat. Just, seems very appropriate to contextualize exactly what you are trying to explain, like, I cannot think of a better representation of the hyper reality you bring up frequently than by spending an hour in VRChat talking to random people. VR is freaking wild dude. It hits on some deep shit.

  • @warriorsponnie8467
    @warriorsponnie8467 Před 9 měsíci +5

    Great Video as usual Pills!
    Its kinda insane how much praise the movie has gotten. Watched it a week ago and it feels like the safest "critisism" (barely) of the status quo as can be. But because its a feminine movie it gets all the praise. Even if it had potential in the lead up to the film to really hammer down some points and problematize issues of pink capitalism or what not, but it certainly did not do that. But what can you expect from the image machine that is hollywood.
    Feel like the only director who really does that, or at least does not compromise on his vision is Robert Eggers

    • @Movel0
      @Movel0 Před 9 měsíci +6

      Was it ever possible for this movie to say anything meaningful when Mattel payed for it?

    • @warriorsponnie8467
      @warriorsponnie8467 Před 9 měsíci

      @@Movel0 yeah should have expected that, just hoped for a bit more when every actor in the movie said "best script ive read". But alas thats just marketing and i was a little seduced by it. Although it probably tells you more about the script quality in hollywood than anything else xd.

    • @jorb1903
      @jorb1903 Před 9 měsíci +1

      I don’t think it’s surprising it’s gotten a lot of praise. Just because it’s a safe criticism doesn’t mean it isnt still a huge blockbuster with a star-studded cast with a plot that revolves around light criticisms of the patriarchy and what it means to be human. You can’t deny that it’s an outlier amongst every other blockbuster of the past few years in terms of its themes, structure, and intended audience. It’s not surprising to me that it’s a critical darling even though I agree that it’s a flawed film.
      Regardless, I don’t really know what I’m supposed to get out of this video. I love Plastic Pills but his delivery in this video acts as if he’s exposing us to a sinister system when this is all just pretty routine and vague social theory that explains how cultural imagery has become a dominant force in society .
      Using Barbiecore as an argument for real life imitating images is kind of a moot point because a) everyone doing it is self aware about the phenomena and b) I haven’t seen a single soul actually adopt barbiecore as an aesthetic outside of viewings of the Barbie movie. Using the weird NPC trend on TikTok is a bad argument for images not imitating real life because it’s a super niche thing that is universally mocked on the internet. There are plenty of better examples of images no longer imitating real life. Just watch your insta explore reals for the most bizarre and incomprehensible content.
      Images have always held power outside the control of their creator. Was this not obvious? Sure mass media has made it more apparent, but it’s been going on for centuries.
      Idk maybe I’m completely misunderstanding this but I am not seduced at all lol

    • @havaf
      @havaf Před 9 měsíci

      @@jorb1903I get you, maybe we are misunderstanding together.

  • @mylesjeffers6148
    @mylesjeffers6148 Před 9 měsíci

    The relative flow and flux of meanings across the semiotic chain of signification in human social life unfolds in exactly the same way as bark flows in tree growth, or the planets flow in the milky way galaxy.
    The natural lawful order, Spinoza's god. The great Tao is everywhere

  • @CarlitosMiddleWay
    @CarlitosMiddleWay Před 9 měsíci

    Are images simply the power of the collective consciousness, and therefore no individual has power to be the vehicle to be of all meaning but it is the collective consciousness "wave" that is now that vehicle

  • @dialetheic
    @dialetheic Před 9 měsíci +2

    It’s Just A CoreCore.

  • @parkinglotsofhell
    @parkinglotsofhell Před 5 měsíci

    Hahahaha jokes on images I use “videos” as BACKGROUNF NOISE for doing CHORES!!!!!

  • @MGSVxBreakpoint
    @MGSVxBreakpoint Před 9 měsíci +12

    Even you, Pills, are a slave to your image. Without covering yourself in the commodified signs of 'postmodern philosopher' in these videos, I'll admit, I probably wouldn't care about you in the slightest.
    What are we doing to ourselves?

    • @marcoonroad7
      @marcoonroad7 Před 9 měsíci +1

      we are just repeating the scripted vicious cycle of society, again and again, again, again, again...

    • @azirious666
      @azirious666 Před 9 měsíci

      MARK-eting

  • @lukeskirenko
    @lukeskirenko Před 9 měsíci +1

    I've not seen the film and don't intend to, but I would wager they've chosen pink because is creates a feeling of extreme synthetic-ness (and serves to demarcate the synthetic Barbie world vs the real world), and that this notion is crucial to the meaning of the film. It's not to do with thinking that Barbie is inherently pink. Furthermore, it's impossible to cleanly separate biological and cultural 'signification', and this type of semiotic analysis always assumes that cultural condition is the dominant factor, but to obtain greater clarity on this you'd have to do controlled experiments. At some point you'd find that there are strong biological factors exerting some kind of influence, woven into a complex cultural web.... with feedback loops and all that jazz.

    • @lukeskirenko
      @lukeskirenko Před 9 měsíci +2

      I should add, the ensuing 'barbiecore' is just commercial cashing in what's current and hype-building/promotion for the film.

  • @ClaytonLivsey
    @ClaytonLivsey Před 9 měsíci +3

    So what you're saying is that it's not a coincidence that conspiracy theorists always wind up with spiderweb diagrams, because that's how words themselves work?
    Hey Pills, if you liked that neat little summary, let me write for you!

  • @scodosoayl7817
    @scodosoayl7817 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Get ready for Realheadcore.

  • @OgionTheWizard
    @OgionTheWizard Před 9 měsíci +4

    Yeah, it is a quite nice response to Peterson. However, i do not want to be a part of winning tradition.

  • @ibarna1869
    @ibarna1869 Před 2 měsíci

    It's more closer to to Guy Debord description

  • @saooran7364
    @saooran7364 Před 6 měsíci

    It's like an ouroboros with a tape worm instead of a snake

  • @amraouza4937
    @amraouza4937 Před 9 měsíci

    mind ... blown

  • @jmalmsten
    @jmalmsten Před 9 měsíci +1

    Somehow, I imagine that these words should be pronounced with a lot more mouth sounds. I may just have consumed to much of Žižek... Or maybe not enough.
    I am stumbling around in these philosophical conundrums written down by philosophers I can hardly spell out.
    But in essence. I did enjoy this excursion into the eldritch horrors of semiconscious images. Like in a Junji Ito story. They may not be intelligent. But they rule our lives and culture more than most would comfortably accept.

  • @visuallanguage
    @visuallanguage Před 8 měsíci

    🖤🖤💗

  • @Xanaduum
    @Xanaduum Před 9 měsíci +1

    Try even mentioning or questioning any of these ideas as a man with these people and you'll get called a misogynist, a mansplainer, an incel, a sexist, even if you are actually a feminist pointing out co-option.

  • @ahobimo732
    @ahobimo732 Před 2 měsíci

    Vaporwave
    dreamcore
    Fruiteger Aero
    - Hegel something something

  • @watcher8582
    @watcher8582 Před 9 měsíci +1

    c o o l

  • @ludviglidstrom6924
    @ludviglidstrom6924 Před 9 měsíci +1

    So the Old Gods won in the end

  • @alexp1408
    @alexp1408 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Isn't the written word just another form of image? I guess you could argue that it's a more complicated form of image, compared to a Barbie Doll/Idolatrous God, but still, it's just an image. The Bible, Plato's writings, or any work of philosophy conveyed through a written text is an image. The only way around this that I can see (Yes I am aware of the irony of that statement) is if all information and the way that that information was communicated somehow becomes exclusively oral. So it's not so much a conflict between a world of no images vs a world of only images, it's a conflict of more complicated images vs less complicated images.

    • @n.trushaev5132
      @n.trushaev5132 Před 9 měsíci

      It''s somewhat a matter of semantics and terminological preference, but I can certainly see why you might want to classify written language as a type of "image", although for some purposes I think the word "representation" would be more neutral, and would encapsulate both written language and visual art as specific subcategories.

    • @LeCoolCroco
      @LeCoolCroco Před 9 měsíci +1

      This idea was already mention by Foucault in “The order of things”. As for the second part, yes, the modern subject has to differentiate between doubled notions, such as “freedom” and “freedom”. Even when they are told something like “hey, we ll bring you freedom”, it implicitly assumes that there is a second, a shadow freedom, potentially more fair and much freer.

    • @MGSVxBreakpoint
      @MGSVxBreakpoint Před 9 měsíci

      It can become an image of itself. For more on that idea you should read Daniel Boorstin's The Image. He talks about the rise of image culture in the US, referencing the 'reader's digest' as a terrible symptom of a culture unable to grasp depth anymore.
      The word itself can be viewed as an 'aesthetic thing', because it is consumed by the eye as symbols. However, words are more like spirits and their meanings can often be transcendent which protects them from the decay faced by images.

  • @jedje
    @jedje Před 9 měsíci

    Chicken-and-egg, love the deepness of Barbie.

  • @bobbygulshan3891
    @bobbygulshan3891 Před 7 dny

    seems like some steigler ijn this at the end

  • @gigachadlefemoid2790
    @gigachadlefemoid2790 Před 8 měsíci

    honey pls cite your sources im using your videos for research papers :')

  • @nikeshinning763
    @nikeshinning763 Před 8 měsíci

    Hello PlasticPills ; what happened with your Kanye Schizoanalysis Video? Can you upload it once more?

  • @christdiedforoursins1467
    @christdiedforoursins1467 Před 9 měsíci

    Fascinating ,as a Christian and the occasional artist .I have always understood this idea of your art owning you or you owning the art I work on chalk board sometimes or with mud sometimes the best thing to do is to wash it all away.

  • @rococoblue
    @rococoblue Před 9 měsíci

    🤯 so the fact that i like the color dark blue makes me a " woman!?"🤯.

  • @shotgunjohnny
    @shotgunjohnny Před 5 měsíci

    Yum Yum Kitty Kat Clap

  • @manuelarriaga3844
    @manuelarriaga3844 Před 9 měsíci

  • @francescocerasuolo4064
    @francescocerasuolo4064 Před 9 měsíci +2

    link to the explanation of semiotics on the podcast?

  • @MxLee192
    @MxLee192 Před 9 měsíci +1

    We need a new fashion. Communistcore. Utilising redguard outfits.

  • @deyanirasaez9540
    @deyanirasaez9540 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I see your game. A language that suggests but does not affirm, that is not scientific, but not common either. You bear a certain resemblance to Nietzsche's style. Play with symbols so that each person can move the threads that the brain has connected in their own way, their "personal symbolic circuitry."
    On a scientific level, "reducing" your language to that level, you would have to take into account the theory of supervenience, where different levels of reality influence the lower level, while the lower level cannot modify the structure of the higher one. The levels are particles, atoms, molecules, cells, life, social life and meme (Richard Dawkins, awareness of playing with symbols?). The important thing in each system is the information, comparable, in a certain way, to the potentiality-possibilities of interaction-in philosophy. Another factor to take into account would be complex systems. Everything that exists, in its interaction, creates systems with its own dynamics, such dynamics create their own mathematics or information. Here, in addition, emergentism would have to be taken into account, by which a new system within supervenience "adds" something to such a system that makes it be another. The clearest case is life, where life is not "deduced" from complex molecules, something has been "added", something has emerged.
    Symbolic consciousness is "born" as the emerging capacity where a new state of reality is created, the meme, where what is important is only information in its abstraction (art, for example). Pink on clothes is a meme that replicates itself in people's minds. It "infects" them to spread and survive. In each mind the meme, the pink one, takes on a possible new dimension, with the possibility of becoming a new meme (the same idea as species at the level of life, through evolution).
    My language, science, the "truth", does not seduce, it bores.

  • @michaelluo642
    @michaelluo642 Před 9 měsíci

    a copy of a copy will be the one to take over the world

  • @amraouza4937
    @amraouza4937 Před 9 měsíci +1

    holy ... fuuuk

  • @ClSKO
    @ClSKO Před 4 měsíci

    So just a Nietzschean critique, with some Frankfurt Hegalianist post-post-post-post seasoning?

  • @NABloisROTH
    @NABloisROTH Před 9 měsíci

    Jung said it's impossible to tell if you make your image of God or if your image of God makes you.
    And, of course, anyone who says "I have no Gods" is fooling themselves.

  • @anthonyward8805
    @anthonyward8805 Před 9 měsíci

    But isn’t pink biologically related to the womb, maternity, etc?

    • @LigamentDreamer
      @LigamentDreamer Před 9 měsíci +8

      I could say the same about prostates or your left lung, as humans (and most animals) are generally pink inside and a couple of places outside.

  • @Bermeslivre
    @Bermeslivre Před 6 měsíci

    Is everything commodity fetishism all the way down?

  • @shfizzle
    @shfizzle Před 9 měsíci

    definitely seduced

  • @friedux2065
    @friedux2065 Před 9 měsíci

    Its a copy without an original, a stand alone complex.

  • @ramirami601
    @ramirami601 Před 9 měsíci

    very interesting but since you have not refuted old school religions but have used them as a premise to your argument, then let me point out a more primary dichotomy than God vs Images which is Good versus bad with Humans advised by God for good and other Humans subjugated by fear from the Devil. Remember this is based on your argument as you used the Jewish 2nd law of no images, but the 10 commandments are listed in order of importance and hence you should have used the first law i.e have no other Gods than the one God to conclude about the dichotomy. Hence at the top of the picture system there's a higher system of nepotism by sentient beings claiming to be God. This is quite fitting if you study pantheist and mystery religions which are all in the bussiness of pushing imagery to the masses but most importantly is they have convinced their inner group that they are Gods.

  • @nonyabiz3874
    @nonyabiz3874 Před 8 měsíci

    These colors are starting to make me nauseous, must be the dark energy they possess....oya and now lemons are a gender thnx for destroying the kids that are under enough pressure and they go tell them they can be wolves and demons and clowns like wtf is going on...

  • @azertyQ
    @azertyQ Před 9 měsíci

    why can't a toy be feminism?

  • @ryanschonhoff8525
    @ryanschonhoff8525 Před 8 měsíci

    you have one idea

  • @rococoblue
    @rococoblue Před 7 měsíci

    😒 sorry but my application for "the hub" arrived today..so I may have to unsubscribe in order to protect your channels reputation(I'm being serious).

  • @reillymcdowell
    @reillymcdowell Před 9 měsíci +2

    You hated this movie so much you made a video about why the world is over

  • @pugix
    @pugix Před 9 měsíci +1

    Nah. Didn't work. Too many ideas.