John Deere 4M Series vs. Kubota MX Compact Utility Tractors
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- čas přidán 9. 04. 2017
- Comparing John Deere 4052M to Kubota MX or Kubota L60-series. Really John Deere? Is that all you've got... Lets be honest!
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Probably some of the most honest comparisons that I have ever seen. I'm a Deere owner but I agree with the fluff from deere marketing. Great job man.
Great comparison video. I am salesman for a John Deere dealer in Indiana, about 2 years in and love watching your videos for my own education. Keep them coming 👍
Great presentation Mr. Neal. Thank you. I haven't responded many times to your Video's. But because I own a KUBOTA, I watch your channel. And everytime I've responded with a question or comment. You or a person you've hired has responded. That's a sign of GREAT SERVICE! Thank you Sir.
Your welcome 😃
Excellent non biased comparison. Thank you.
nice job Neal. a fair comparison. with a lot of helpful information.
If Kubota marketing doesn't steal you, they're crazy. I've sat on both tractors numerous times, but your videos play in my head. JD needs to take note, your approach to comparisons is less dirty and warming to the consumer. Good Job Neil!
Now that's an honest review. I own a 07 John Deere 5105 that's a good tractor but I'm now looking to buy a MX 5400 from my local kubota dealer. Honestly I think the Kubota is probably a better tractor all around ! Thanks Neil for your honest information !!
Another great video Neil!
These comparisons and videos are done in a responsible manner and I find them informative.
If I was closer I would have bought my l3901 from you. My dealer in New Hampshire, mb tractor, is horrible.
very fair comparison great job neal
Can you do a comparison on he engine life hours, and quality?
Both look like good machines, when maintained should give long operating life.
What do you think of LS tractors? Can you do a comparison with a Kubota and LS XR 4140?
What are the bars on the buckets for? Never seen the. Before.
Liked the video. I have good luck with the Deere on my second. The dealership does a good job
Great video, though I thought the Kubota TLBs all have fixed/non removable loaders.
You know what. You get a gold star.. your absolutely right. The reasoning is somewhat different though. The TLB loaders are not removable because the roof is FOPS (falling object protection) certified. The loader post serves as part of the structure to protect the operator from falling objects.
Now, if all dealers were this honest and fair about their products.... Great Video. I grew up with Deerebut have run many brands of equipment over the years. The tractor that works for you ( and the dealer that works for you) is the key. Now if you guys were
just on the Left coast... ;)
This is a great honest review. I am trying to choose a new tractor and one of the problems I am experiencing is sales person ignorance. They haven't actually used the tractor. They are not really familiar with what is being offered. And then there is the dreaded DPF. Some manufacturers get this right and some do not. Even within JD there are massive differences between models that can have similiar hp.
I work for the company that makes the oil products for Kubota. we still make udt hyd oil. we also make a udt hd, and super udt 2.
I bought a 4052M. The brand is only the second important thing. SERVICE is everything. Since I had some experience with the dealer I blind ordered the tractor. If I had the chance of trying out both I would have faced a hard decision. #greatvideo
Well i like your video that I seen because I was looking for a tractor and I went with the l2501 kubota and I love it
I bought the Kubota because of the quick attach universal hitch.
I agree the way companies compare models to each other in biased ways, u are right driving it or demoing is the way to buy a tractor
I would say you did great job here,,,, I had a Deere 4600 for 18 years and just sold it to buy a bigger machine to cut hay with. It took about 6 months to make the final choice but Deere fell out due to price. Massey had a really machine and so did kubota, I ended up buying a kioti x7320,,,its almost identical to the kubota. In the end price was the key factor for me,,,,
What are those grates that are on a lot of the buckets of your used tractors? Are those to hold sand bags (like I thought I saw in one video) to test/demo the loaders with weight, or did you just get a whole bunch in on trade from a certain large customer, and they just had those on them already?
Yes, they hold in sandbags for demos
Your honesty and objective approach is refreshing. Thanks!
Is there a video floating around that talks about the different transmission options you can get with a Kubota of that size. As well as the pros and cons of each.
Its in our queue to do. We did have the one below posted, but I think we can better with a more real world example.
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whats with the bars over the Deere bucket?
I have the jd 4052m and a kubota 850 sidekick. ..I'm happy with both..
You press a pedal forward to go backwards in a car though, lol what’s the difference?
how about a new Holland or case IH comparison? you should have those brands handy?
+Vicki Poe we do... But not at the store where these machines were stored.
Hi Neal, do you know why the new Grand L60 series have their hydraulic lines routed outside of the loader arms? I like how Kubota uses to route them on the older Grand L40 series.
at that point the loader stick was mounted up on the mast. Now with it back by your side the valve is under the deck so the connection points need to be there so they are accessible. The current way is considered more ergonomic and nicer to operate, but your right that the hoses are easier to snag.
@@MessicksEquip I see, that makes sense.
As always a very thoughtful and informed (and informative) analysis
Very good job on real comparison regarding these two makes. Both great in their own way. It is easy to see that Kubota has the heads up on what modern tractors should be .
Things also to keep in mind location of the dealer in regards to your home, and the most important part of the dealership the service department (the people you be spending the most time with after purchase)
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A tractor dealer is opening less that 5km, that’s about 3 mile, from my farm. They are a Mahindra dealer. It’s appealing to buy a tractor from a dealer so close.
I think they are primarily a hydraulic company and tractors are a sideline.
Have you done or can you do a comparison between Bx23s and the 1025r?
We do plan to in the future, it will probably be awhile.
Okay, I'm just about to pull the trigger on one of the two and struggling to make a decision.
+Levi A KUBOTA!!!!!
wish more dealers did these kinda videos honest criticism. call a spade, a spade. can only help farmers with their bottom line
what is that framework on the john deere bucket?
Small Grizzly Bar mate. Its stops big rocks going into the bucket when moving material.
That LandPride Quick Hitch does not have an adjustable top link hook and at least 75% of the time, that is the reason some implements will not accept it. Deere had the same issue with their original iMatch hitches roughly 15 years ago.
QH20 in that video does not, but QH15 that's more commonly used does. On QH05/QH20 w/o the adjustable hook they occasionally use a floating link for mowers and stuff where you want the implement to flex to a point. The height is a challenge, but I've also seen width being an issue as well. Unless your buying specific quick hitch compatible stuff its always a crap shoot.
Also some implements just plain will not accept the top link hooking from the bottom up.
"Can't remember when the last time I saw a Kubota hood rust" You're hilarious. You mean on the new tractor lot ? lol.
i got a 17 year old kubota no rust on hood or anywhere for that matter
well ok maybe the bucket does
Even my Kubota buddy laughed his butt off on this one!
JD won't rust but will it also won't be three shades of orange by the end of year one or two, The tractor, the loader, the implements
@@colinnickerson4846 lol !
You can look at very old kubota tractors on Craigslist and facebook, and even with rust, there isn't one bad enough that it scares me away or looks difficult to fix. No holes, just patches of surface rust, probably from scratches long ago. Plastic worries me because I have no idea how to repair it back to original without buying a new one.
Fantastic job Neil, so many John Deere videos making horrible comparisons. I'd like to see you do more of these! I really like your honesty.
Thx. Noticed the light-o-rama videos on your channel. I ordered my first pixel controllers for this year. Trying to think of creative ways to use them.
Yep, another one of my hobbies. Kubotas and Light-o-rama. I think working for you guys would be an ideal job for me. For next year I'm going to be using some RGB flood lights and I need to learn how to control them, always something new.
Yea, sounds like you would fit right in :-)
I have a bunch of the RGB floods. Some from LOR and some from eBay. wasted a lot of time getting the ebay ones to work right because each color was fed at a different voltage. The LOR ones are expensive, but really bright and a piece of cake to use.
That's good advice, thanks! Maybe you can point me in the right direction, what sort of controller do I need to operate the RGB lights? Any other tips or advise is appreciated. From tractors to Christmas lights... Oh boy... :-)
+Jon Ritter I have 10 of the 24 channel DC boards. Easy to buy 10 watt RGB lights off eBay and wire straight to the led. Over 10 watt and the different colors need different voltages and it gets complicated. They look awesome
Would the 4044 compare to the L4701
I got on a John Deere once and it took me about 10 minutes to figure out how to drive it where it will take about 30 seconds on a kubota. I love the kubotas. We have a 2009 b3300su and it is a tank. It’s been through hell and back and is never needed a part besides maintenance parts. We have lifted over 1200 lbs with the loader and no issues. I will always suggest kubota.
if you need 10 minutes to figure out how to use 2 pedals, maybe you should not get on a tractor. Just saying...
So john deere is basically the Apple of the tractor world
As an IT guy, and Android user from the beginning, you have absolutely hit the nail on the head.
I won't argue with anyone else's opinion, Neil DOES have it right that its all a matter of the person using and what are they using it for - its very subjective.
But as a pretty hardcore Android guy, I have to say I fell in love with my 3046R DEERE for much the same reason that I love Android over Apple - everywhere I look, I see common sense design features that seem like they knew what I would have to deal with- and did the logical and best thing to deal with it. I drove a Kubota once and even while tempted by that cheaper price tag, felt every step of the way - who are they making these for? Like what species of creature could EVER think a Treadle Pedal is anywhere near as easy to use for a long period of time as a twin touch pedal, etc. Kubota just aint made for me, no way. But I bought the Deere and feel really good about it every time I put it to work.
I really dont have a problem with john deeres personally, I used to work for Michigan State University and they had a program set up with them to demo and use JD equipment for campus farm use. I did enjoy them, I only meant the comment towards their quicktach bucket system that is very proprietary, kind of like how apple uses different charger even tho every other phone company uses the micro usb system(skid steer quicktach). Now I never really got on anything smaller than a 6 series. The bulk of my use was with a 5310, older but by god it was simple.
I also have a 5310. Best tractor I ever owned. Still running it today
I own JD equipment, and yes they are the Apple of the tractor world. Claiming the best of everything when they are simply another of a host of choices. Good gear among many options. Only the foolish wouldn't look elsewhere and live convinced by years of marketing that they have the best. At least JD isn't made in China as is Apple.
Too bad I'm on the other coast. I'd buy a machine from you!
does the mx come standard with cruise control and scv's?
No svc, yes on cruise
@@MessicksEquip mx 6000 looks awesome it is on my wish list
I have a new Deere. A great Tractor
5000 series but being around them I have personally discovered there is a lot of untruths like Neil said. They are all about money. They actually lie about comparisons. It is what it is. This guy is telling the Truth.
Thanks Neil for these videos. I was seriously considering the John Deere before I watched these.
Thank you for the honest review.
^preface
Very good honest comparsion.
How about the 4052 R. Everything you said did this tractor didn't have the R has and more.
Yes, at an additional $20,000. Gotta stick to tractors on the same class.
@@MessicksEquip the $ difference between the JD 4052 R and Kubota MX5200 is about $4000 maybe closer. I'm not knocking the tractor but the JD I bought has everything.
Sorry, though this was a different video. Your comparing a deluxe compact to a utility tractor. Wrong family.
your tractors are great no doubt but ive been shopping and the 4052R is cheaper than what your comparing the M model to. At least where I live. Thanks for the video though. It's great to have all the info out there before I buy.
@@gregjames2804 it's the MX model, not the M. And I would calculate that again on Deere site and Kubotas. 36k ad shown for kubota and 45k for the deere. Look it up.
I have a M5040HD 4X4 with a loader where I work we have a John Deere the same size I think its a 5045 . The Deere might be a little bigger . My tractor will out work it 2 to 1 doing dirt work and mowing . Now it doesn't have a hyd. shuttle shift. Deere doesn't offer one in that size when I bought mine did not want hydrostatic drive . They are both a utility series tractors the Deere sits lower in the seat and is cramped the trans gets hot after you been on it for a while. When I run it all day you are wore out . Deere make a good machine . I prefer kubota in that size utility series it all boils down to what you prefer . Some of are guys like the JD 450 dozer over a cat D3 they say it grades out better . You all have a good day and being on a tractor of any kind is better than sitting behind a desk any day !!!! LOL
I almost always see street crews with kubota.
John Deere's quality has taken a dramatic decrease, I will be the first one to say that. Our 1990's Deere 5300 is so much better than a modern Deere utility. The loader is easy to move, it shifts easy, just a good, solid all-around tractor. Not saying a Kubota isn't, but I agree with going out and trying them. Deere's advertising is also crap too.
If you want to know how to fix a coupler issue? (We have done this a few times before) take a welder and a few pieces of your strongest scrap metal, and weld it to fit the coupler.
Don't call it a fair or honest comparison if you're biased as well.
+Caleb Blackwell. Is there something that seemed incorrect to you?
You said in my opinion a lot in that video. Honesty and truth aren't synonymous with opinion. In the end you guys are defending yourself against John Deere's marketing. Thats fine, I'd just keep honesty, truth, and opinion separate.
Caleb Blackwell honesty truth and opinion cam mix you ever heard of an honest opinion cause that is what he is giving you his honest opinion
Caleb your so right
Man the old 545d ford would kill this new junk
I would never trade my deere tractors that are 6 series and up for any other brand, but the lower tier tractors, you might as well send them to the scrap pile.
Deere is a large tractor company. They are in the small tractor market because it is a needed support point for the industry. I agree very much with your statement the smaller Deere tractors are not their large row crop but none of the small tractor manufacture's tractors are. Show me a Kubota in the 8320r class or any other tractor in that class with the resale.
john deer for the win
We have a JD 5055D, been a good little tractor, not sure about he E series, I hear they are junk. We have a Kubota M9540, LOVE it, personally I am waiting to see if Kubota can come up with a system that does not use DPF, and then I would purchase a M5 like tomorrow. Also have NH 5610s which is old school, built like a tank, good old tractor. Yes, you have to research and physically check out a machines features. To be honest with the service we have gotten out of M9540, Kubota has me sold, we use this tractor in hay and we pull a round baler and this past year we had to rip up a pasture and it pulled our old big harrow like it wasn't back there. I do have one point to make, Massey is making some big gains in their market , especially with not using a DPF in tractors around 100hp. How are they managing to do this? Please explain, sounds like a good video....Mark
The CNH stuff we also sell uses DOC only engines. A DOC is 90% the same as a DPF. Rather than doing a regen, its effectively regening all the time. I can't say in my experience that one is really that different than the other. In my opinion, manufacturers nit picking each others emissions systems is another one of those kinda dishonest comparisons. Each has its pro's and cons.
I do plan to do a video on emissions systems at some point. Its complicated, and going to take more prep work than I normally put into these.
Kubota is without a doubt is filling your pockets.
I wish 🙂
JD has 'comparison' trolls all over youtube. Beware of any JD vs Kubota videos. Messicks does some really good non-bias videos even tho they are a Kubota dealer.
Messicks is a Kubota dealer ???? No way...
Wow. JD got some questionable ethics. Im leaning towards the kubota but only bc Yanmar isnt easily available.
He is a Kubota man so he is going to see the Kubota as the better tractor to have a good comparison you near to have like a case ih salesman comparing a John Deere and a kubota
While you do make some good, common sense points about Deere advertising, you didn't highlight how Kubota does the same monkey business in their marketing.
And no matter how far you go to couch your opinions early, is there anyone who doesn't detect your Kubota bias in this? I would hope not.
The same guys who told you to wear a Kubota shirt were the ones who told you to have the late shot with 2 Kubotas surrounding 1 Deere, its all standard marketing imagery stuff. They are so biased they don't even realized how obviously they display that bias in a video supposedly being about 'honesty' and open mindedness.
There's not much wrong with Kubota tractors, they have earned a solid spot in the American tractor market and are a legit competitor to Deere. Like you said it is all subjective, and for me it was easy - Kubota was cheaper, and tempting, until I drove it. It FELT cheaper, and it felt like they didnt have ease of use and getting things done easier in mind.... because all those things add up to time savings and me getting more done every day. My Deere feels like that every day I use it. They thought of ALL the little things. Fanatical attention to detail.
But to say Deere stretches the truth is an obvious bias because so does Kubota, horribly. Only caveat I can say is neither brand will pile on the BS like Mahindra. Wow. Their advertising is hilarious in how love/hate they are about Deere. Stalker level stuff.
So I miss your point here - or I would except we all know all dealerships get in bed with one manufacturer or another and your shirt makes it all too obvious which one yours did. haha
We're a Kubota dealer, we're not exactly hiding that. We had no input from any marketing dept. I've not seen Kubota pull the same kind of punches Deere (and Mahindra, gosh!) will do over and over again. Kubota does not even really publish competitive comparisons that are anything but numbers.
I don't have a problem nic picking products, that's not the point. I'm quite willing to point out short comings. What's sleazy in my mind is creating false advantages by comparing two products that should not be compared.
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I like your videos and you do a good job. I just think your employer is kind of engaging in exactly the thing they are trying to knock in this video. That's my point. I will still watch your videos, though.
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Freight Train but kubota is not telling neil to make these videos he is doing this to explain the ins and outs of the tractors and to show some of the short comings of deere marketing etc.
Just to make something clear Messick's does not sell John Deere but does sell Kabuto.
Honesty I think not
jlen82 kubota*
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This is so true! Deere is a bunch of creeps!
I'm sure John Deere is good but when I went into there store well lets just say I got treated better at Appelbe's and I will never eat there again, but when I walked into Kubota to look at there tractors the salesman and owner dropped everything to help me out. Yes first impressions tell me a lot and John Deere just told me right there and then, never ever do business with them again. I won't even walk into there store to ask for directions.
Funny, I had a very similar experience. I now own a Kubota L3901.
John deere always knocks Kubota lol they're sore losers. Sucks to making tractors for 100 years and getting spanked on quality and price by kubota. John deere is overpriced and reaks of value engineering everywhere
Jason Hughes Just like Ford getting spanked by Toyota.