What is High Bandwidth Memory? Feat. R9 Fury X
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2015
- AMD's Fiji GPU is the first chip in the world to include high bandwidth memory instead of GDDR5 VRAM. So... what is it? And why is it special? Who does it think it is? The PRESIDENT or something? It needs to get off its high horse. So we made this video to take it down a peg.
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Episode Credits:
Host: Linus Sebastian
Writer: Jack Sui
Editor: Barret Murdock - Věda a technologie
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The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race AMD din't make HBM, Samsung did.
Please don't be ignorant. HBM development first began at AMD then AMD partnered with Sk Hynix to develop it further.
MrHoward888 You must be confusing it with 3D Vnand chips for SSD from Samsung, which are layerd similar in a way I guess ... but are not remotely the same thing.
The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race They're terrible at turning it into products though.
***** When they released GDDR5 with the 4000 series, it was very successful. I remember the 4870 and 4850 were very powerful cards and the best cards for price/performance.
"Will my toaster ever be able to toast both side of a slice of a bread perfectly?"
Answer: NO.
muiecopyright yes, get 2 r9 290x refference, take off the plastic covering the radiator, connect them in a way that both radiators touch both sides of a toast, done!
Slay OH YEAH. :)
Slay Make sure to turn hairworks on, too.
If ever I meet Linus, I am not letting him touch anything of mine unless I want to drop it.
Manthan Sit i'd let him touch it, he'd probably say sorry and compensate by getting me a much better item
k410xplozionz Aww did I broke your 5 years old laptop ? here's 2 xeon and a titan x :o
Keruji Gimme some ;)
To say it in another way: You could either eat a pizza in the traditional way (GDDR5) or you can create a Pizza cake by stacking the slices one on top of the other (HBM)
I'm hungry, don't judge me =(
***** That's the spirit!
***** Also, when the pizza is stacked you can get more toppings and you can eat it faster.
More pizza is always better, thank you for sharing this logic.
Imagine the carnage of a HBM2 Nvidia card.
the FuryX wasn't able to beat the DDR5 980Ti, I can only imagine how fast Paskell will be.
1.They are limited to 4gb right now
2. They said they were going to
have titanX beating performance
3. AMD released benchmarks of the furyX beating a titanX, but it never happened.
Linus. I love you.
so gay
***** I'd go gay for Linus. Can you imagine all the hardware I'd get my hands on?
Tigran Oganesyan you already are thinking like a woman.... I think I believe you...
Tigran Oganesyan Get in line
Tigran Oganesyan WTF KENSHIN
Thanks NCIX and Linus for this informative video. Have a good one guys
Linus broke NCIX''s Fury X.
***** ?? wow bro. does he have GTX 980 ti to compare ?
***** Benchmark? Proof?
***** And we just have to believe you on your word? Right. Proof or it didn't happen. And you're saying that your friend that doesn't know a lot about hardware, just bought the newest enthousiast-grade videocard? Sure.
Sean D'Souza it's probably for the best
***** Alright, I might've been wrong there, but you abused that fact to escape from my other point. Proof?
i remember when i was first getting into pc gaming and i saw a video describing (in theory) how hbm would work,it was just a concept than. now years later its here, its awesome to watch the tech you love progress.
Great video Bro please do more PC builds and reviews with fury x I kind of of fallen in love with this graphic card but only I wish I could have had one....
Thanks for the vid, Linus and friends!!
HBM on toaster HYPE!!!!!
I'll say it again, currently and until VRAM sizes increase the thing about HBM that has me the most interested is how it ends up working with memory stacking and DX12.
Yes, it is undeniable 4GB is restrictive, but if the bandwidth increase means having a 2 or 3 card crossfire system with memory stacking is going to work as expected then it will be worth it for early adopters. Having 3 way crossfire system with 12GB stacked memory would be awesome once FuryX prices drop some and devs implement stacking support on new, DX12 games.
Raydeus What games surpass 4GB VRAM usage right now? I can only think of one: GTA V
Right now it's mainly heavily modded games that go beyond 4GB consistently, but as 4K gaming becomes cheaper going over the 4GB mark will be commonplace.
dumkopf We are more worried of games needing more vram in 2-3 years.
dumkopf shadow of mordor
dumkopf Shadows of mordor does.
HBM on APU^s could be the savior of AMD, that would be somthing that neither Intel nor nvidia can do at the moment.
MrAntidodo "could" "would" PS: You're right
WeightyLemur fixed ;)
MrAntidodo AMD also has a patent on HBM so if Nvidia uses HBM II, AMD gets some moneyyyyy
The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race Nope, amd was actually late in the game with HBM. Nvidia been talking about HBM for years.
The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race Nope, amd was actually late in the game with HBM. Nvidia been talking about HBM for years.
Thanks for the more technical video!
Informative, as usual.
linus thaks for all computer advises
HBM? ... Huge Bowel Movement? I dunno.
foshastajones hahahhahhahaah
foshastajones Well it is moving a huge amount of data.
+foshastajones facepalm..... lolz :D this is too funny all! lol scotland :P
I'm excited to see where this technology gos
I can already smell my perfectly even toast
Excited to see this in the next gaming laptop. My (2nd gen cpu) alienware is an overheating nightmare
Daniel McKenzie Shouldn't buy from alienware their laptops are a rip off and you can build a good PC for way less.
If for some reason you need a laptop to game on you should just buy one from MSI of Gigabyte.
i feel well informed, good job describing it guys.
4:33 xD
Go HBM! Looking forward to see where this is going!
Is it better to have a FURY X or a GTX 980 TI to game for a longer period of time? I don't mean playing 4 hours in a row but the longevity like 2-3 years. So is the 980 ti will last fir less year than the fury x and also, will the performances will be better in next games than gddr5?
Can you make an episode where it shows the Teleprompter on the corner of the screen so that way we can see how good and or bad linus is at reading the script?
You're going to help me pick out my next computer.
I am looking to build a new pc and I was wondering if I was to move my storage from old computer to the new one (250 gb) and move it to the new pc containing new parts, will the old storage contain window 7 and photos, etc? Will it change if I add 1 tb storage?
Ok when did Linus actually leave ncix. Cause I thought it was like 7 years ago
since it uses less surface area and stacked over the gpu itself, what about overheating problems?
I need help please. I have a PC with an AMD A10 processor, 4Gb of RAM and AMD HD Graphics. I use it for 3D modeling and videogame development and I'm going on a low budget here. I am a big noob in this and I was wondering what should I buy, 4Gbs of RAM more, or a low-end graphics card (like a Geforce Gt 610). Thanks for helping.
AMD? Efficiency? WHAT PARALLEL WORLD IS THIS!?!
Really nice video linus, helped me figure out why this new tech is important.
So this is high bandwidth memory for the video subsystem. Ok, that's nice. Optane (name?) is high bandwidth memory for the general system. We've yet to see an example, but it's kind of cross between an SSD and system memory. They get that working, it's going to blow the PCI SSDs right outa the water...
Linus be having a tan from that blazing fast HBM2 😎
The 390X includes HBM memory too!
And with both Nvidia and AMD going to HBM the Fury-X can only get stronger with each driver update. Something to think about. (GTX 770 owner about ta upgrade here)
Not Relevent Topic. But Should I get a tuna sandwich?
ahmed khader No tuna is an endangered species and should not continued to be overfished
ahmed khader No
ahmed khader 20 years from today there will no more Tuna. The number of Tuna fish in the world will be so little that the prices will either be ridiculously high, or it will be illegal to fish them
Nah get sum of dat synthetic tuna sandwich
ahmed khader only if the bread slices are evenly toasted
hey, can you make a videos about amd FRTC? It seems that many people confuse it with v-sync.
One of the best intros xD
Being HBM faster, will PCIe 3.0 have some benefit from all this com pared to 2.0?
Since gddr5 is ddr3 tec will there be a new gddr based on ddr4 or is it hbm only from now ?
keep up the good work :)
my 980ti will be my last GDDR5 card. i can't wait til 2018 comes with Nividia's new Volta chips, they'll probably have HBM2 and AMAZING 4k performance!
Sadly we’re still not there yet.
I’d guess 4K will be mainstream in 2023 tho.
Tell me, why is there no ram sticks with hbm to put in your pc instead of ddr4 memory yet?
those first few questions are all very good
Wouldn't such a configuration increase the likelihood of overheating with the memory and processor packed so closely together with little surface area for cooling?
@NCIX Tech Tips I have had two different AMD Fury owners online say that their HBM Memory Stacks I have pointed them to the Video with linus explaining that Vram does not stack can anyone confirm that this is the case and that HBM Vram does not stack or has something changed that I am unaware of.
The only new thing here is that the memory is in the same package as the GPU.
Vertically stacked memory chips have been the standard in supercomputing for some time, it is already mainstream in SSDs (although that memory is NAND flash and not DRAM) and it is getting more and more common _on_ DRAM sticks.
1:10 - Its not a silicon wafer, its a die. A small cut of from a wafer.
4:10 - The limitation on 4GB of memory is not due to cost, but rather due to a limitation in the HBM1 standard. It only supports 1GB per stack. HBM2 will solve that and support up to 8GB per stack having a maximum amount of memory around 32GB
That Graphic Card's fart at the end of the video was hilarious
Linus, we need an update ... big Navi supposedly has HBM2e and HBM 3 is supposed to come out soon.
What are the cons besides higher price?
isnt toast not even on both sides because, well at least with our toaster, when you push the thing down both toast slots go on, and each slot has its own heater on each side so theres 2 heaters in the middle so the side facing the middle gets hotter much faster, so if there was only 3 heaters vs 4 it would be both more power efficient it would also get it toasted even on both sides
Linus is bloody awsome!
I'd love to see this kind of memory actually in a motherboard... imagine the speed!!!
Why does the HBM have a lower clock speed?
Browsing these because I am bored in 2017... Watched this thing and am still wondering about the toaster toasting both sides equally toasty. Might try 2 GTX 480's or 2 Radeon's in SLI/Crossfire but skip a PCI slot between them and put your bread there.
I miss this channel 😥😔😞😓
I have pc 133 ram, same thing right?
Yesh, having my toast toasted perfectly on both sides is my biggest concern with all this new technology!
Who needs a toaster when you can use two AMD GPUs. Kappa.
Teh Haxor Actually the Titan gets ALOT hotter then any AMD card - you could literally fry eggs on the Titans V-Ram.
mariodrv SO titan vs every AMD card ...Kappa
Teh Haxor 4Head
***** Well fanboys in general are not the brightest bunch, they just say what suits them.
Teh Haxor Well because those GPUs i think CPUs won't quite do it. But since you don't want a toaster, can I please eat those pop tarts that just popped up?
Does AMD hold the patent for HBM?
Michael Yangmi 9(german)
shakito lolo Why are they holding 9 germans? :-/
Michael Yangmi Its a JEDEC standard, so likely they cannot protect everything with IP.
Acid Panda nah, they just didn't think of it, and now that the 4k results are showing what a boost it provides they are intent on making sure they were always going to include it on their _next_ cards, for sure...
***** hell if i know XD
OMG!!! it's 2020 & we still want see this architectured in a fone or pc....2024 may not even have the HBM2E...when can I just die....
why do none of NCIX's videos ever stream smooth at 1080? every other youtube channel works fine but this one
The R9 Fury X isn't the only card with HBM.
There's also the R9 Fury now, you know...
ill be waiting for the HBM toaster review
gameguy301 Funny thing is that might actually happen once hbm replaces normal ram because of the toasters that will connect to wifi and shit.
maybe in close future cpu will get cache like this and will be no more need for standart ram? because we mostly need ram because cpu cache is so small
Ulvis Barkāns I doubt so, ramdisk are the fastest thing you can play/work on. We still have decades before the possible disappearance of ram. Pretty sure SSDs will dissapear before.
For the motherboard I'm going to use in my build, there is only one color for all the ram slots. How will I install two ram cards into this mobo?
Paradox Doge Look in the manual
cant wait for hbm... im confused bout nvidias 1080 and hbm...
linus, i want that toaster... we all deserve evenly toasted toast! :) love your vids guys keep it up!
What's so confusing about the 1080? :D
It's GDDR5X memory is just buffed GDDR5, so no real tech difference.
But Volta and Vega in 2017 will almost certainly utilize HBM2.0 memory.
I need an interposer for my slickinwafer
Will be interesting to see if AMD's new 15.7 Catalyst drivers will support Crossfire between a HBM and non HBM Graphics Card
SgtRomeo9 Nope
SgtRomeo9 it has to be the same chip (architecture) .. a 290x and 390x will be able to crossfire but a 390x and a fury will not. lol basically AMD is just allowing the same cards to crossfire .. lol refresh/rebrands so basically its allowing the "same" card to crossfire
Is it still worth it to get a r9 290?
Wow perfectly cooked toast . My life is complete.
HD 7990 is comparable to Fury X?
Won't cooling be an issue with the VRAM stacked vertically?
I mean with GDDR5 every stack of memory could be cooled individually, in some cards even being taken care of by a special cutout in the heatsink. Will the memory heat up more when it's on top of another or is it so efficient that that's no concern?
***** Thats why the fury and furyx are VERY VERY hot cards.
MrHoward888 Fury-X maxes out to around 50-60 c while the TITAN X and 980 TI is 84 c
dukethedj 50-60c while pump and fan are screaming near 3k. A water cooled card don't count.
MrHoward888 Then why did you mention the fury x anyways? Besides, Toms Hardware got that temps with the fans at it's slowest speed.
dukethedj BS complete shit. I'd never believe that in a million fucking years. I done custom loops for awhile and that's a straight lie.
Thanks Linus.
Dude linus knocks over everything!
I'm going to save up and make Linus's Silterstone mini gaming rig with the Fury X :D
***** That seems to go along why AMD GPU do better at higher bandwidth demanding game settings at like 2K-4K resolutions and get close and edge out its competing GPUs.
lol, Wooo! got team red!
we have a card that's finally dependable, we just need new drivers!
isnt this supposed to be on techquickie?
why would you need to overclock hbm 4096 bit memory bus seams to me the gpu is the bottle neck not the memory so things can only get faster.if you have 4 memory chips staked at 1000 mhz is that not x4
OMG..CAN I PLZ HAVE THOSE....plz
I have always wanted the razer naga
😍😱🙏
P.s love this show and you people hosting it
Linus is eternal
Seems a bit too early to tell tbh. Re-visit it in a year.
I wonder why Linus still makes videos for ncix.
More clips for 'Drunk Linus 2'.
invites linus over for a video, ruins the radiator on their fury x sample
sounds sick
Seems like the logical next step in gpu tech.
wow time flies....
Seems like cooling would be an issue on the stack.
Paused at 0:53!
Was not dissapointed xD
Can RAM have HBM
think of when the consoles get HBM combined with unified memory.. by that time maybe we will be able to get 4k 60fps gaming on consoles.
Linus your eyebrows are connecting!!!
Sounds fancy
I think its too early to see the real potential of this. But i would love to see amd to improve this.
Linus is always breaking stuff! LOL
Seems pretty good.
When will they discard all ram slots and ONLY use pci-e slots for gpu, storage, and ram. You can already use ram slots for volatile memory, why not just go with the better technology?
Dat animation at 4:46 doe! :P Rekt xD
Why can't HBM be used in ram sticks?
NinKillPokemon Maybe the technology just isn't there yet?