€ 23 DIY isolation platform
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- Vibrations in audio equipment do degenerate the sound quality as we have seen in a number of reviews I did recently. In this video a € 30 solution for sources and amps.
Contents of this video
00:00 - Intro
00:20 - Start of program
00:34 - The piezo effect
01:57 - Capacitors too
03:28 - New rack
04:30 - What to use?
05:50 - How tested 1
06:45 - Sound quality 1
08:03 - How tested 2
08:24 - Sound quality 2
08:47 - Buying advice
09:40 - The wrap
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How refreshing - A subjective review by someone that clearly knows how and when to apply measurements to draw conclusions (and when not to). Well done!
I used the best gear I could find: my ears.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Hans, thanks again for the video. Do you know whether the gel pads will discolor wood shelving over time?
This is a great solution.
I put this DIY bamboo board with the moongel under my Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo turntable and the result is wonderful.
The music sounds more open and you can hear the vocals more clean.
Thanks for this super tip.👍
Enjoy the music
Thanks, Hans! Simple, clear, low cost, and well thought out. Bravo!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Hans. Hope you are keeping well. Love the channel. Much appreciated.
All good
You a wonderful person Hans. Over and over you raise the bar! Keep enjoying the music! ❤️
Thank you so much!
you know one thing I love about you Hans is your consistent quality and your ability to not only tell me something but also scientifically show me why that something is beneficial.
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Thanks Hans! Love a little bit of DIY, especially when it works as good as this! I am using three thin, double layer bamboo boards with two layers of moongel in between them for my Arcam rDAC to sit on. Two small doorstops, 0.7 kg each on top of DAC. This has not only made the bass firmer, more defined and vocals more natural but also opened up the soundstage which became very three-dimensional. I would say this has worked better than expected, and is comparable to upgrading to a higher class DAC.
Great tip!
As usual, so well explained, huge kudos for investing so much private time! GREATLY APPRECIATED!
Our pleasure!
Ok, so I was excited to try this cheap and cheerful diy trick, as I already had some moongels on hand. Found some small ikea bamboo chopping boards that would fit nicely under my allo digione and my dac. Placed the gels under the boards in the same manner, and wow. I’m noticing serious improvements in microtonal shading, etching, image, low and mid bass clarity. This partly solved some of the issues with resonances effecting clarity in my small listening room. Hans, can’t thank you enough! 🙏🏼
Great!
I have Steel Points under my amps, brought improvements. Placed a wooden block with the drum gel pads below and it improved even more. Thank you for this great tip!
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3:48 aesthetics committee 🤣🤣🤣 that's a good one!
I tried all kind of damping boards for my equipment, by nothing were good. I went the opposite way and put heavy 10kg stainless steel plates 330X300x13mm on top of my amplifiers and on my SACD-player. It was a huge improvement in sound quality in the same way Hans described. Now I understand why expensive high end audio components often are so heavy.
Thanks for sharing
Not every solution has to cost a fortune. Excellent!
This isn’t typical audio review. The gear rack change can yield stability and that allows you to experiment with either dampening or coupling issues. Flimsy platforms cause a great deal of problems, but you could easily do a video on that alone. There are few inexpensive solutions in audio, but this solution has merit. Well done Hans! Stay safe my mates!😊👍🏻😁I prefer granite to bamboo. The granite is less prone to vibration. If used as a shelf as opposed to a stand alone platform, the granite offers a very stable platform. You may then use isolation feet or ball bearing feet depending on whether the equipment needs isolating or coupling. Experimentation is how we learn. Only then can we find the equipment’s true colors. Stable platform is the starting key. Learning can be fun. Addressing equipment anomalies isn’t snake oil. It’s reality. There are more than one correct answer to problems. The fun comes in learning where the weaknesses are and addressing them. It’s up to the individual to decide what is too much and what is enough!🧐
I tried the Moon Gel pads under my existing bamboo cutting board which supports my DAC and there was a noticeable improvement in focus and density of the music. The biggest area for me was in vocals. Thank you for the super inexpensive upgrade tip - AUD15 for the Moon Gel
Thanks for sharing!
as a drummer with experience with moongel, it deteriorates in time (uv light makes it go bad fast) and could make some pretty bad stains depending on the surface .. i'd use two cuttingboards and sandwitch the moongel cause id forget about it in a week and never change out the gels.. hehe. real good video! thx!
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You’re a special cat in the hifi community. And your speaking cadence is like Anthony Hopkins. Thanks for the experiments.
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Bedankt Hans voor de gel pad tip 👍🏻🙏🏻
Great video Hans, this is the sort of thing us Audiophiles love to learn about. An inexpensive solution that actually works. 👍👍👍👍👍🎧🙂🙏
Absolutely!
Hi Hans, thanks for this invention!
I put this 'Beekhuyzen board' under my recordplayer and its effect was stunning!
My Pink triagle Anniversary/Sme v/van den Hull frog has a very good vertical isolation thanks to the lightweigt subchassis hanging from 3 springs.
But your board gives also horizontal damping and that's needed against the soundwaves hitting the player. This results in a rockstable stereo image and also bass. Before cd sounded more stable but now vinyl is the winner. Advised for every recordplayer weighing less then a ton! Thanks for making my 30 years player a winner again.
Regards,
Gerard A.
Good to hear
Thank you Hans. I have been using Ikea bamboo boards with drummers gel pads too and find it effective and not costly, So I am with you!
Excellent!
Many Thanks for sharing your practical solution
You are welcome
Very nice results. I have always belived in making each component heavier by placing it firmly on something heavy, and isolating the whole system from the ground. Your solution is right along those lines.
My large floorstanding speakers rest on 60x30x3 cm slates weighing more than each speaker. Three spikes connect each speaker to the slate. And 6 soft furniture stickers below each slate make them mostly isolated from the floor. I find this solution to greatly improve the sound, especially in the lower bass section. I would really like you to try out this solution. I bought the slates from a stonework shop for about $150 for both.
Thanks for sharing
A great strarting point. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
Thank you much of this really practical advice 🙏
Glad it was helpful!
Hi Hans! Thanks for pointing out these gel packs. I bought quite a few after I got my turntable on them. I sandwiched them between two 1“ bamboo boards and there’s no noise/vibration transfer now.
As to how much weight they can hold, I put 12 packs under a board and put my 45 pound tube amp on it. It works fantastic!
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@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel just to follow up, the 12 pads under the amp got permanently deformed but are still squishy tho. I added 6 more to it. Everything in my system is now on these pads and it’s really nice. Better than I imagined. For reference, this is what I’m running :
Rouge Audio RP-5 preamp
Rogue Audio St-100 power amp
Rotel RCD 1572 CD player
Fluance RT85 turntable
Gustard x18 dac
Gustard u18 dcc
Klipsch Quartet speakers
Klipsch SW-10 sub x2
All wired with Krell power cables and blue jeans cable interconnects. Run over a dedicated Powerline.
@@bulldozer9600 hey they still holding? My experience with moon gels over the years is that they will turn to glue like jelly and dissolve.
Thanks Hans, very helpful.
Very welcome
I used Mission isolating platforms on my Sound Organisation hifi racks which had suspended shelves made of a similar shelf material to the Missions. The Missions use Sorbothane between the shelf and the hard plastic " feet". They still work well in reducing vibrations in what is now my set up two. I replaced the stands with Atacama Eris stands with 40mm bamboo shelves made up of 2 layers of side by side layers of bamboo of 20mm thickness . They do an excellent job of damping vibration and passed the Aesthetic Commission. The only problem occurs if you need to use more than 5 items because it can only be extended vertically although the height between the shelves can be changed. As I wished to add another motorised item to set up 2 and only had 3 Mission platforms I decided to try bamboo chopping boards ex Amazon. I bought a similar board to the one you tried i.e. Side by side layers making an approx 22mm thick board. I found this gave little or no improvement over the rack's suspended shelf. I then tried a 420x300x40mm board made of edge- on bamboo like a butchers block. The result was impressive. At least as good as the Mission vibration platform. I will now try the moon gel. Stay well.
Thanks for trying this idea.
No problem!
Thanks, Excellent vid.
Very welcome
I’ve used this (single board 6 pads) to put under my Roksan Attessa turntable which is currently on a pretty flimsy stand until my new one arrives. It’s totally eliminated skipping from heavy footfall. Even when I provoke it by having a good stomp around nearby. Pretty pleased at a mere 24.
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Two things i use: gel based hot/cold compress bags. But i have replaced them with some pieces of a latex topper from my old bed. Works great.
Thanks for sharing!
Did something similar with granite chopping boards and sticky rubber feet. Worked great under my turntable. Moongel also works well as a stylus cleaner.
Thanks for sharing
Thank you that was great!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've tried using the gel pads (sky gel, large) under my speakers instead of blutac, result: definite improvement, esp in bass articulation
Thanks for sharing
Thank you Hans; works like a charm. I tried DiversiTech EVA pads first under a bamboo board because I had them already: it was sensational. Then I tried your way: even better !!
For those who have money to burn: get a nice Isoacoustics Delos 2216W1: only € 849,-.
Funny to review a product of this price, but it makes clear that our hobby is not all about the money. Thanks for this video.
You bet!
Hi, thanks for your great insight into hi fi audio. Love your channel. As a cheap but very effective anti vibration medium I have found balsa wood works well. Kindest regards Lee
Thanks for sharing!
Another great video Thanks : )
Thanks!
I have tried similar experiments with a board supported by Sorbothene hemispheres or the harder the split aluminium puck with ball bearings in between and as you say equipment reacts differently with some being better with one type or the other. I did find an bigger improvement with my Brooklyn when a weight is applied to the top case. I used a stainless round door stop from Amazon as a lot of other audiophiles.
That's because sobrothane is relatively hard and needs more weight to function.
Interesting and informative video on hi-fi equipment isolation.
I have been aware, but not convinced such tweaks actually work?
However, that doesn't stop me from tweaking and testing.
Currently, I have only isolated a Denon DP-47F turntable with headphones foam earpads & styrofoam with very good results. (Only mixed the compounds to proper level the turntable)
I tend to favor the idea of softer deadening materials over harder solid denser material like wood that can resonate.
This video has inspired me to go do further testing and isolation trials with my vintage components.
I will be using half inch thick typical packing styrofoam with a stiffening particle board atop. My Sansui AU-D11 ii integrated is heavy enough resting atop glass.
It would be further convincing, if you were to use maybe a vibration detector to base your results of isolation scientifically?
Often tweaks have a placebo effect at best.
Under my boards bamboo Aptitlig it works ! Headphone system , Atoll MS 120 + Amp Musical Fidelity + Headphone Focal Clear.
Thanks Hans from France !
De rien
You can cut a exercise matt and place it under board or speakers. I seen similar use at a antique audio shop used on speakers and other items.
I think it's too soft and make the speaker cabinet react against the movement of the woofer(s).
You could also try sorbothane sheets (various thicknesses) that can be cut and put under the board. I had also used gel pads (under my amp) but unfortunately these disintegrated over time.
Sorbothane is harder and more suited voor heavy devices.
Depends on the size, shape ( how you cut it) and durometer of the Sorbothane. Using that material for isolation, and slate for mass, I have derived marked improvements from turntable, phono pre, tube pre and integrated amplifiers and even solid state power amps, as well as DACs and speakers. 80 percent of the improvement of the high-priced spread for < 10-20 percent of the cost = works for me.
The problem with cutting boards is that they are kiln dried, this makes them very hard similar to glass or granite. I built a DIY stand using MapleShade’s air dried ambrosia maple wood blocks. Of course used IsoAccoutics Oreas as well. Fantastic sound!
The bamboo boards I used are certainly not as hard as glass.
Thank you Hans. If it doesn't work you can always used the cutting boards in the kitchen.
You bet
My amp and power supply are sitting on rubber end stoppers that would normally fit on the legs of a chair. My house is on a concrete slab so there’s no vibration in the structure.
the aesthetic committee!, 🙂another funny one!
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I recently purchased some large and relatively thick cork boards to go under my gear. Only because i like the way it looks, but it is very spongy, yet stable. Do you think you could add something like this to a future test? Wonder if it helps with vibration dampening, as well as being easy on the pocket book.
Thanks! Love the videos.
I think the gel solution is far better so I won't test cork boards. Buth time and funds are not unlimited. Sorry.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Copy that 👍
Thanks for the reply.
Hans, this is a most refreshing instalment... in that, I don't have to spend thousands of dollars to perhaps yield an audible improvement. Ironically, I have both the bamboo boards and the same gel (they are frequently suggested in many credible audio forums)... but I have not tried them together. next, should be an A-B comparison of this setup vs. the more expensive purpose-built isolators.
Dear Hans - It's really good to see you in a better healthy shape.
Little question about the Creaktiv 3-3 Rack - did you order it with filled pipes?
I have ordered mine 3 weeks ago - together with an Audio 11 for my turntable in Cherry.
in the meantime - I'll start with the renovation of my Living Room before all the upcomping Equipment will be delivered.
And hopefully, by end of July, the new Speakers do arrive as well. Time to resell my Revel Performa3 F-208.
Still studying about the Gaia. Will leave a message, once it's done.
Yes, I have the pipes filled.
Thank you for the time and the quality content. I very much appreciate your sharing experiences for the greater good.
Am I going to spend a year determining if independent ceiling suspension shelves can be effective and functional ?
Or is curiosity going to kill the cat ?
Asking for a friend. 😅
I personally don't expect too much of it. But I could be wrong, of course. I have never tried
Would the caps in the speaker cross over be affected by the vibrations from the speaker?
In principle: yes.
Hello Hans, thanks for this great tip. Would you recommend this under a turntable as well?
That largely depends on the turntable.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel True. Mine is a customized Project Debut Esprit. I'll give it a try. Thanks.
I have some big ceramic tiles hanging around. I am wondering if they can replace the bamboo cutting board.
That depends on their weight. If heavy you might want to use more Moongel cushions.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel will there be any issue regarding resonance?
Yes a green light from the aesthetics committee = WIFE ; )
Hi Hans, can I do the same trick and place it underneath my floorspeakers to reduce/isolate the bass?
I haven’t tried but I think it might work with monitor speakers but not with bigger ones unless you use more moon gel.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Hans, it actually works on my Kef Q750’s (17 kg). I double layered the moongel pads and placed them on 6 spots underneath a speaker which is placed on a bamboo board. Underneath the bamboo board I placed 3 oehlbach pucks for a steady placement. And I hardly can believe it, but the messy bass has disappeared. Everything comes suddenly much more into its place. So thank you again for your expertise and hard work. Cheers, Rob
A question: I have often wondered about the effect of airborne sound on my equipment. When a listening room houses the electronics and speakers, can sound waves produce significant vibration in the equipment enclosures? And wouldn't level be a big factor in that?
That is where solutions as in this video will help.
When my children started toddling i moved my Rock turntable to a secure room behind my amps. I couldn’t believe the difference, especially with the Rock’s damping at the front end
Items susceptible to sound from speakers or other can be damped to reduce this effect. Most components have a hard metal case that ring like bells. I have often damped the inside of component covers with sheets of rubbery sticky back materials like the kind used in cars by audio installers. Or you can experiment by applying absorbtive materials to the outside of the cases of DAC's, Pre-amps, Amplifiers. If these materials aren't available you can place a towel on top of the component with a flat weight (like a heavy book or other) to dampen case resonance. I was lucky to place my TT just outside my room with a slightly longer interconnect with very low capacitance per foot.
@@blader.9433 I have used damping sheets on the cases of several components over the years, also placing them on very cushy rubber feet. I haven’t e ver gotten clearly audible improvements . My equipment is probably not good enough to reveal subtleties. I am still curious about the issue, though.
Great video and thanks for the Moongel tip - just what I have been looking for! I have also been experimenting with DIY vibration control using various materials. I think there are actually two problems to solve here: isolation (which this video mostly addresses) and resonance control. The latter I am currently trying to address with DIY damping plates. My latest design is a 6mm thick steel plate with a 6mm thick sheet of cork-nitrile underneath, placed on top of my DAC. I also have similar on top of my SoTM streamer & USB reclocker, but using ceramic tiles and rubber sound insulation plus sorbothane feet which works quite well.
Thanks for sharing
Firstly I must state I'm a big fan of Hans and the work he does but I have a question: These pads can't prevent sound from the speakers affecting equipment as that would pass from the speakers through the air and into the equipment directly (just like your ears). So are they meant to reduce vibrations from the floor passing via the rack or stand into the equipment? Perhaps the vibrations that may arise from the sound the rack/stand absorbs from the speakers?
My home is on a concrete slab so I doubt it ever vibrates. Perhaps if you have a resonate wooden floor there is an effect?
Could speakers be loud enough to cause resonance in my equipment rack? I doubt it it's the same plywood my speakers are made from. I hope the speaker manufacturer wasn't exaggerating the ability of plywood to be acoutically "dead"?!? Is Hans' rack so resonate as to be problematic?
What vibration do these prevent then? It must be significant to actually change the quality of the sound that Hans' solid state equipment produces. Let me know....
I put Dynamat car dampening sheets inside my CD player/DAC and improved the sound. I wonder how this material would work under bamboo boards? My components are already sitting on Isoacoustic discs. Another old vibration hack is bubble-wrap under the board.
Dynamat is designed to dampen metal panels by adding mass. They may dampen bamboo bords somewhat but won't isolate them from vibrations in the surface they rest on. That's what the Moongel does.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Yes, I agree with you. They are rather dense, though still rubbery in order to cover odd surfaces. I used up two packets on my CD player, so I have no off-cuts to experiment with.
great turntables and for your speakers put 5 gel pads
Would this already help in modest systems, like mine? (Kef ls50 meta, hegel h95, bluesound node 2i and a kef subwoofer)
Or would the bottleneck be somewhere else?
I am fairly new to this hobby, and am not sure what to improve first. My guess so far is the room's accoustic properties.
Anyway great video, very interesting, dankjewel
Hard to say but it's a small investment and if you intend to further improve your system you already have this.
Try the IsoAccoustics Orea (for the h95) and Gaia III (for the Kefs)… you’ll be amazed!
@@mikeeygauthier2959 thanks! follow up question: my h95 is currently sitting on a cheap piece of furniture, would it be ok to leave it on there with the Orea's underneath it? or does it only make sense to use orea's if I get a proper rack first?
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel yes will try! thanks
Vacuum tubes are susceptible to external vibration effects. The working elements inside the glass may be in a vacuum, but the rest of the tube base, tube socket etc are still all mechanically connected to rest of the world.
Absolutely
What about capacitors inside a speaker? Are they effected the same way?
Yes they are but some manufacturers use special capacitors, a construction that kills vibrations or have an outboard X-over filter.
My amp weighs 20kg. What would you suggest I try with it?
As always, Thank You.
Try it, if six Moongel cushions don't work, add more.
Wow nice, me being broke and just use coins & blu-tack for 'budget soundcare spike' everything might wanna try this drum damping gel & cutting board trick, thanks mr Hans! #coingang
Go for it!
Very interesting topic. I just recently started experimenting with vibration control and found very noticeable improvements. So far I've tried Isoacoustics Isopuck and squash balls under my preamp, pre amp power supply, power strip, power amp. I tried various combinations and have to say that squash balls work better for me. I'd like to try your solution, maybe you could try squash balls too. They're quite cheap. The ones I'm using are with two yellow dots. I cut them in half and place them under the components. I also tried using balls without cutting them, but apart from being unstable, they also didn't work as well, I noticed dynamics and high frequency extension were affected negatively. Let me know if you decide to try them!
Thanks for sharing
Try the IsoAccoutics Oreas series….far better.
hi thr it did cross m mind to use squash balls, as i am a squash player and have lots of them
As an update, I tried Isoacoustics Orea under electronics and indeed it’s much much better, I now have them under all my electronics
The problem with using squash balls is that after a while they tend to flatten and are less effective
Dear, good idea. Pls one day try my cheap solution. Use 3 or 4 vinilic balls (do you remember the little coloured crease balls when we were young?) each one blocked into a o-ring base. Put them under electronic and let me know.
Hello If I understand, first bamboo , then Moongel , and device directly on gel ?
No, first the gel on the cabinet, the bamboo on the gel and the device on the bamboo.
As an alternative for bamboo i use also leisteen in good Dutch.
This brings up the question of powered speakers and subs. The electronics inside the cabinet? Impossible to isolate it from extreme vibrations!
You can't damp all of the vibration, but you can attenuate a lot of it
@@bjohns3333 Which is what I said and will always make powered speakers inferior!
There are so many off the shelf, non audiophile solutions for vibration control. I am itching to try the dryer vibration pads they sell on amazon with some floor standing speakers. I am sure that they will likely get 80% of the way there or more, at 80% of the cost. Be interested to hear your take on these types of solutions. I get that maybe a transport would benefit from this approach, I am dubious that vibration control will impact the sound of my streamer. Maybe a tube amp that has some slight microphonics?
Most of those are made with a material that has the commercial name “Sorbothane”. It varies. Most speakers react badly, because the frequencies it dampens is different than the frequencies that make a washing machine rock and amplify through the connection with the floor.
Moo gel definitely is NOT Sorbothane!
Interesting how fashion changes, I found coupling my floorstanders to the floor with spikes made a vast difference. Now it's suggested doing the exact opposite will also bring improvement rather than just taking you back to where you started from.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel No one said it is. The "dryer vibration pads they sell on amazon" mostly are.
Iso puck mini 8 PCs pack is roughly 80 eur. Have a look at these
I wonder if cork pads (kitchen heat mats and trivets) would work even better.
I don't think so.
What chopping board did you use and where did you buy it ?
I don’t remember, something on line that had the right size.
Hans, why not start with mdf sheets layered in cork sheeting? I did a 3 inch sandwich with some feet I had for under 25dols and 10 minute install. Dead silent. Also, farther away from the wall, the better... with in reason. My. TT weighs 65lbs.
If it works, it works. Thanks for sharing.
I use Ikea bamboo boards with sorbothane pads under it.
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Everything in my set up is isolated and decoupling to avoid as much vibration as possible even the frame the glass panels sit on have sobthane in the grooves
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I welded up a tripod rack with 4 shelves. Using 1" tube for the vertical and 3/4 " horizontal. Each down tube fille 4 horizontal with sand. The shelves are 3/4 mdf filled with lead shot and sand. Far more detailed and more open doing stage. Cost $65 CDN
Nice job!
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel ty. i stole the design form a $14,000 Italian stand i saw on the net. Mine densest look any where near as good but functionally very close id imagine.
I haven’t gone down this rabbit hole yet (next stop cable risers) BUT i DO use a mix of kitchen Cork Boards, silicon pot stands AND (the I recommend for you to try) dense rubber vibration mats for washing machines. I mostly about speaker vibrations and sound treatment not microphonics. These i use for desk and bookshelf speakers resting on - and for office system- in cabinets. Might try the drum pads. Cheers
Sorbothane hemispheres under my DAC and pre amp certainly firmed the bass up. They didn't seem to make any difference to the power amp though. I'm using Cyrus pre/power.
Hans, why did you put 6 peaces under the cutboatd? Would 3, like Rega does with their turntables be sufficient? Loved the video, I went straight to IKEA... 😂
it has to do with the weight. 3 didn't cut it for the gear I used
Hello, sometimes you read about Moongel changing it properties. I forgot if it was in one of the comments below. I already have a nearly 6 kilogrammes bamboo chopping block to install under my future mu2. Are we looking for the same goals as when isolating a turntable? Hans showed us the movement the moongel will allow to the block to be made. Should we not take into account that we are not trying to reduce a movement that can be visible but more the ones that could be detected by an old fashioned stethoscope. If your idea will nullify a big truck passing by it will not automatically tackle the minuscule vibrations that will disturb your dac clock with the same efficiency probably.
The French have published some investigation decades ago about loudspeakers enclosures using '' a box inside a box '' idea with sand in between. One of the striking ideas was making the panels to thick would worsen the results because the vibrations would '' stay inside the panel ''. A bit like let the panel resonate so the sand can do its job. Should we bury the mu2 in a container filled with sand??
I wanna try some Taica products they offer '' silicon pads '' in a few seizes . Most of them come with a kind of optimum weight to make them work in the '' area '' where they work the best. If you put your 20 kilo amplifier on some '' vibration killing feet '' designed for a 100 kilo industrial washing machines it will not work.
Like Hans said probably the best way is to put something between the chopping block and its support and have a '' strong bond '' between your device and the block. I could imagine if there is some kind of '' material '' on both sides of the block that could reduce efficiency or not? Or they should work in a different frequency range?
Of course all the gardenhose cables plugged into your device will introduce a number of vibrations that are nicely transferred right on to your circuit boards.
Greetings, Eddy
The MU2 is rather insensitive to vibrations. I use Stack Audio AUVA EQ's.
Hello Hans,
In my rack i made sandwich boards made of steel, lead, copper, brass, wood and top layer vinyl usually used on floors, works well. In the past i constructed stainless steel '' boxes '' filled with dry sand to '' support '' cd transport and tube dacs . BUT dont want to put mu2 in a sandpit. The French did publish a manual to make a 200 to 300 kilogrammes sandpit for a turntable. The box was made of wood and in the sand they would put a tile made of '' granito '' ( 32 kilogrammes)with the topside not covered and there they would locate the turntable. The stack auva are not that expensive compared to the price of the mu2 . Maybe i will try to find some very fine lead shot and use that to fill up a box. Of course you need to find a way to prevent the lead '' marbles '' ending up where they should not be. Greetings, Eddy@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@@Eddy-gr5wm I'm curious to see your DIY solution. I'm about to DIY an openbaffle speaker desigh using a box with sand with 2 sheet in a L form, each sheet is one speaker, to be seperate each other from vibration not directly in contact in the sans box, it's a little weird, but I think it will work well.
@@osezchanger1596 Hello, IF you can read French try to find the French l'audiophile magazine . They published some articles about using using for loudspeakers and turntable isolation. Greetings, eddy
My experience: tube preamp big change. DAC I'm not sure if I hear any difference
I beg to differ here, but I am sure that is your experience.
re: vibration Why do we keep our crossovers inside our speakers? Why do we keep the hifi equipment in the same room as the speakers?
For practical reasons???
I have SkyGel Damper Pads + a bamboo wood breakfast plate from ikea + sheet of styrofoam under the Dali Menuet's on my desk ;-)
Total cost: 10€
Very nice!
"Centuries ago" :D
Hans great video and a good learn . Can I ask how old your shirt is . Its been going a long time 🙂🙂🙂
Which of the 5 shirts?
I've used MOONGEL for years on drums. The problem is they dry up. The reason they come in that little case is so you can place them back in it when not is use. Like a humidor for cigars, it also keeps them from drying up. With the added heat generated by the motion of board on top of them this could conceivably cause the drying to happen faster than when just sitting on top of a drum head. Perhaps they'll last a few months and then need to be replaced. Time will tell.
I am not sure if this will work but you may try wrapping the Moongel in clear plastic wrap before use. It would help isolate it from the elements and delay the drying issue.
How about a piece of 1/2-in thick steel plate with a layer of high-density packing foam underneath the plate?
I haven't tried. Have you?
Go to Hans for no BS audio info.
I have all my gear on brushes
Thanks for sharing
Hope you are O.K. health-wise...
Never been better
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Brilliant solution. I only wish I'd found this video sooner...could've saved a lot of money on 'hifi isolation feet'
It's not as good as top end isolator feet though
Ah I see. I didn't venture into the high end. I've only had experience with the cheaper Isoacoustics models. I certainly prefer a bread board / drum gel to those.
I've had good results isolating my rega rp8 with a bamboo cutting board and 4 of those: www.thomann.de/intl/isoacoustics_iso_puck_mini_set.htm which I also use under my tube pre and amp
Thanks for sharing
Try the IsiAccoustic Orea Series, much much better.
@@mikeeygauthier2959 I'm sure you're right - they are geared more towards heavier speakers though, and quite more expensive. anyway, the minis work well for my setup