5 Easy Turntable Vibration Solutions. Reduce noise, Bass loop and Rumble. And other HIFI tweaks.
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- Turntable HIFI Easy tweaks using inexpensive products to solve some hard to solve analog problems.
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What I find to be the best way to isolate my Turntable was to fit a wall table to the wall of your home where you then won't have any contact with the rest of your home & these come with a 4 spike mounted plinth which is a great contribution to your HiFi set up when you can afford it.
That is a excellent idea. I had a similar problem that has been going on for a while. Thanks to your sponge trick now I can enjoy my turntable at high volume so BIG THANK YOU
Just ordered the Ikea cutting board for my turntable and i am going to try the sponges underneath it,thanks a lot for the video.
Thanks for the cool tweak!!
Thanks for the tips so simple and so effective and not expensive
When I almost finished restoring and repairing my Rega Planar 3 early 1980s manufacture date that I bought as a Plinth for the most part. It was only the Planar 3 Plinth, glass platter, subplatter, no drive belt, no tonearm, and no dust cover; I had to place it on three coffee cups turned upside down. It was raised because of the elbow component of the Phono RCA Cable for a tonearm that could fit this Planar 3 that was altered by the previous owner!
I had to raise the Planar 3 because I had to hunt around for a different tonearm other than a Rega RB because the previous owner drilled a larger hole on the base for the tonearm post! Therefore, I bought a Linn Basik Plus, and mounted a new Audio Technica AT95 MM Cartridge. As a benefit of the ceramic material there is also Isolation from any vibrations, and resonance! I do not have any scientific proof, but at least it raises the turntable preventing contact of the Phono Cable from the surface of a table. Recently, I upgraded the entire motor assembly to a Rega 24V Motor Upgrade Kit. Sounds wonderful; and Planar 3 T. is functional again, and performs correctly.🔉🎵🎶
Brilliant! Anti rumble mats for washing machines are also worth playing around with - maybe as an inter-plinth to deaden the resonance of the plinths.
An excellent suggestion! Thank you!
Nice channel, thanks for sharing your precious knowledge 👏🏻🙏🏼
Good idea. I had a similar problem with several turntables, not so much with rumble, but hearing noticeable distortion when playing loud. Tried all kinds of flexible rubbery footers (diy and commercially available), but they all degraded the sound in some manner. What finally solved the problem is 3 diy rollerblock footers made out of bamboo wood, spoons and 10mm steel or ceramic balls. No feedback, no distortion at any sound level, very natural sound.
Went the monolithic approach. 42”ish tall welded 1”x2” sand-filled 1/4” wall thickness rectangular steel tubing w stainless steel feet. The top shelf where turntable is located is made up of an approx 200lb granite slab on wenge feet interfacing to the steel rack. On top of the granite slab is an approx. 50lb hard maple block on brass feet. Turntable sits on top of the maple block. Bottom shelf (preamp & Nitty Gritty storage) is likewise a similar granite slab sans the maple block. Idea being mass + differing materials w different resonances. Turntable rack is placed at a room node. Mono blocked tube amps are on similar but shorter individual racks placed at room nodes, w hard maple blocks but no granite slabs. Has worked pretty darned well for 20 years. Great depth & detail of sound. The rack, locating equipment at “nodes” (see Audio Master’s Handbook) and sound panels for echo tuning are some of my best bang for buck “tuning” efforts.
As always, YMMV. Just sharing, nothing more, nothing less.
Have a good’un!
wow, man that's life-changing, like the difference between going vinyl and not while living next to a railway station
Love your channel and in awe at your electronic skills! Always mount a turntable on a wall shelf not a floor. Make a box as the shelf, about 10 cms deep, fill with dry sand and top with a glass panel floating on the sand. Level carefully and then place foam pads/another glass panel/turntable, level again as shown in the video.
That's a great idea!
I used the foam packing from my turntable box and cut some circles to fit under the feet, they are about 3/4 inch thick, and they work perfectly with no need for a block.
Hi Gabby, really love your channel. I also have done some isolation for my 1980 Denon turntable. I used a different Ikea cutting board as I needed something near 19 in deep. I also used spring loaded feet under that and have been extremely happy with setup. I do not have a high end audio system, as I'm more mid fi.
Absolutely love your speakers
I Watched the videos and man do you ever rock. Keep up the great work. West coast old guy Canuck here
Thanks for sharing!! Daniel. If it is working for you that is all you can ask for. You can try the sponges and compare it is a small investment you may like it better. Canucks had a good game tonight 😊
@@Gabster1 wow you are up late, although I am not sure where in Canada you live. When I say Canuck, I mean Canadian. Although I am a Canucks fan. Thanks for your reply and please keep sharing. Dan
I used a granite chopping block, works a treat, just stick small rubber feet to the granite block, sit your turntable on the granite block and boom, no resonance to worry about, granite kills resonance before it has a chance to reach the turntable, cost me £10 which is about $12 US dollars, and about 50 cents for the feet !
I vote for a wall mount as well. I like the HiFi Racks Podium Platform Wall Mount. Rock solid, the platform is claimed to support up to 198 lbs. While further isolating the table from the wall mount's platform with a zaZen platform. Not inexpensive but much less than the cost of a cartridge in keeping with the rest of the equipment on show. Then try replacing the cones with Herbie Audio Lab's Tenderfeet. Elevating the turntable will also allow for placing a dedicated phono amp where the turntable now stands.
Good ideas here. I will try a bamboo board and sponges.
Nice, I used two of the IKEA cutting boards and had 10mm bearing balls between the two, sorbothan feet towards my record player and Stillpoints in the bottom. The deck is an old Empire 298 overhaulled with SME V arm and VPI motor controll. Fantastic for reasonable money! So silent and still grabbing the music!
Sounds like a great idea
I see a lot of using this method or with other parts. But tell why and how the bearings reduce vibrations? bearing are not damping reducing the vertical impacets only horizontal movement. bearing are not acting like springs or something like the sponge shown here.
I've developed a rumble filter that beats anything. It is a four pole, two zero elliptic filter using two FDNRs (frequency dependent negative resistance) networks. It operates at line level (tape monitor or other 1Volt I/O. It is flat down to 20 Hz. Down 17dB @16Hz, down 30dB @7Hz. Believe me; there is no other like it. I've been using mine for 2 years with my Dual 1229 and it's remarkable. There is no audible difference between in and out except that the subsonic rumble is gone. My woofers love it. If you are interested in this 'final solution' to rumble, let me know.
Gabster- I like the sponge idea.I think I might try that over a basic sandbox which once leveled dissipates in a manner similar to high end feet which turn vibration into heat.As an alternative to sponges I also might try drum/cymbal dampening pads called Moongel.One thing if you you really want to get deep into proper cartridge mounting you might want to some shims and a a usb powered digital microscope to make sure your SRA (stylus rake angle) is correct.Everybody sets azimuth (some even by a $400 Fozgometer to check it's set correctly) but SRA can make a difference.Hans Beykhuzen who I watch for digital info had the moongel pads and has reviewed some pretty high end speaker feet
Great idea with the sponges 😅. I use two marble slab’s which I was fortunate to find at ikea one day snooping around the store. These slabs were chipped slightly and were sold super cheap in the “as is” department. I bought them about 15 yrs ago and have used the in my two systems ever since. The marble is 1 inch thick and 2 inches wider all around than my SystemDek TT so it fits and looks awesome. I place 4 small rubber nubs under each corner and stack two with nubs on top of each other, so stand…rubber nub…marble slab…then more nubs…another slab then isolation cones and TT. I bought 6 pieces or slabs that day so I have one under my Disc player and use last three for smaller system in my office. I think marble would work better for vibrations than wood as wood transfers vibrations and not deadens it. Perhaps I’m wrong though so let me know if I am. That’s it , sorry for the long rant. Thx
Great ideas Thank you :)
Hi, Gabster, thank you for your sponge idea. Yoonshik from New Zealand
You are welcome. Send us some warm weather :)
I put a single sorbothane puck under each of the 3 feet and it solved skipping and bass resonance. I guess I'm lucky.
Bass loop was a real struggle for me! I just bought a subwoofer and I had to add some vibration solutions to my sub and turntable to fix the problem.
Nice video ,,lovely ideas always nice to see .,I use marbel but i think i need that sponges under hehe.,How to remove plastic cover when change cartridge
The foam would eventually compress from the weight. Ideally it would be useful to add springs to offload the foam so it can retain the flex to absorb the vibration.
Hi 👋 Gabster , great idea, I had a big problem with my building, it is a very old moulin/mill in the Correze in France, the floors are on beams across the width of the building, 7m . So when you walk across the floor it bounces, so I have made 2 wooden arms that are fitted to the wall with steel brackets, then on them I have a slab of oak 50m thick, so there is no vibration at all,
Phil from the moulin France.
I've been experimenting with drum dampening gel pads with some audible result . For lower frequencies control I use kick drum pads ( they are larger and thicker but also pricier ) . I also use them between my speakers and their stands
Thanks great tip drum dampening gel pad sounds like a great idea I should try that I can see it working.
Interesting video, I solved this issue by putting the turntable on a Granite chopping block rather than wood, granite kills resonance far better, I stuck 4 rubber feet to the granite block to isolate it from the cabinet it stands on, and has made a huge difference, here in the UK a store called B&M sell a granite chopping board for £10 which is about 12 US dollars, also available on Ebay, but more importantly it works a treat !
That sounds good 👍
Been wall mounting my TTs for 30 years. (exterior side wall only). I see so many "audiophiles" who place their TTs right between, and way too close to their speakers. Look at this guy w/those big ass horns right next to his turntable. No wonder he has a vibration problem! Mount your TT to the studs of an exterior side wall if possible for foot traffic vibration. Also, place the speakers on the front wall, at LEAST 9 feet away from the turntable to minimize speaker vibration on your stylus!
So: speakers - front wall
turntable - side wall, 9 feet or more from speakers.
A wall shelf is probably the best available mounting for a turntable; preferably securely anchored to a load-bearing wall. For a suspended sub-chassis turntable like your Thorens the shelf itself should be as lightweight and rigid as possible (your bamboo cutting board is perfect) and decoupled (not fastened tightly) to the brackets. This reflects the Rega philosophy of low mass structures not retaining vibration whereas dense, heavy structures tend to retain energy and dissipate it slowly. Linn used to insist their Sondek should always be placed on a lightweight coffee table rather than a heavy (dense) piece of furniture for exactly the same reason. Seems counter - intuitive but very easy and free to try - what's to lose?
Rega are wrong
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😂@@russputin6294
Vibrations from the floor get WORSE as they travel up a wall
Couple of issues with that, perhaps, Eric. Doesn't that defy the laws of science as any vibration (energy) will be, according to Newtonian physics, partly dissipated as heat as they travel up the wall (unless the wall had some sort of active component which could amplify them)? Secondly and empirically, I genuinely don't understand how, for instance, vibrations from a suspended wooded floor could possibly "get worse" via transmission to a load-bearing wall (which, due to its relative mass, would be acting as an energy dump). I could understand how the effective frequencies of any vibrations could be altered by transduction through different materials which will act as partial selective filters so you may have a point there? Always happy to learn and thank you for a thought-provoking post my friend. Enjoy what's left of the weekend
Ideal is putting the turntable into a vacuum box before playing and isolate the turntable feet with spring dumpster,magnetic ,air or liquid suspension. This way the air around turntable has no effect or the surface vibrations, going to extreme though.A marble box with good seal tap of heavy glass and put the turntable inside on spring dumpster is an idea for you .
Thanks for the video, I have 3 young kids that like to run around, sometimes it makes my record player skip. Will probably try this. Will the sponges work for a big impact like someone running?
Yes perfect for that
You seem like a very nice man!
hello Gaby, great idea with the sponges...what a coincidence it is that I am building my own turntable, the tonearm is already finished :) I will upload a video of the tonearm in a few days and will report back to you...too bad we live so far apart, best regards
That is awesome looking forward to see that as I am planning on building a turntable as well been collecting various parts for the last few years. Excited to see what you came up with.
@@Gabster1 look Gabi, my DIY tonearm, like Schroeder Reference SQ czcams.com/video/az54EcIsfZo/video.html
How do you know the level is highly accurate? Did you have it calibrated?
I just purchased a Denon 1200 cheep to experiment with. I run turntables through a large dj mixer to test the changes made during EXPERIMENTS. I made my own feet, 3lb5oz worth and added a 12.4 oz mat. My gain went up 25%. Now I'm replacing the bottom panel from .100 Masonite to .375 mdf. So a 24.25 lb turntable to a 30lb turntable. I expect more gain and damping and didn't need to buy the latest big deal pos to have a decent turntable.
Hey Gabster, awesome hack! Do you think a lighter cutting board is better? I don't have the Ikea board but just wondering if the compression of the sponge is better if it's less? Thx!
Probably, I would try it the cutting board is not critical but the sponges are. if it works you can invest in a heavier board later and compare.
If it is ambient bass causing the feedback with the cartridge maybe a lid would help.
Also these are kind of nice and inexpensive DiversiTech E.V.A. anti-vibration pads, 2” x 2” x 7/8”
Thank you these sound great I will order some
I have no problems with bass loop despite having two subs and big floorstanders but had big problems with skipping when I walked nearby. A pro-ject (or Rega ? Can't remember) support and Amazon spring loaded feet solved it but I use the IKEA board with sorbothane for my other table and it does the job.
Love your idea though.
I now have an image of 8 IKEA cutting boards stacked on top of each other with different vibration damping solutions in between and the turntable out of reach perched on top...
Lol love your vision of 8 stacked ikea boards
Sponges are a good idea, new sponges have something in them that keeps them sodt and pliable while sitting on a shelf but after to wet them a few times they get hard when they dry out. Have you noticed any difference in the sponge firmness over time?
Years ago I was using a Thorens TD316 turntable that was good but this old house does not have solid floors so it was susceptible to foot falls near the turntable. To solve it i used a 10" inner tube under the turntable to "float it out of vibration range. I had to offset the inner tube because of the uneven distribution of that turntables weight,
I'm now using a Rega RP-3 and was having dome issues withit, it sits on a very surdy record rack that is next to a load bearing wall so the floor is pretty rigid there. I put a 3" thick cutting board under the turntable and also uses 3 ea 2" sorbothane half sheres under each of the 3 turntable feet and that seemed to work well. A year later I moved the turntable off that record cabinet onto a cheap welded steel wood record rack with the same 3" cutting board and sorbothane feet and it sounded even better and that proved how inportant having a very rigid stand under a turntable is for good sound.
Thank you for sharing your experience all great ideas glad to hear your system is doing well. my floor is on a crawl space so I put out a few support pillars from 2x4 under and the table is over 400lb .
The inner tube idea works also well it was my second choice but the sponges really solved the loop as you can easily test it.
At a 1$ for 6 sponges just have to replace them every few month.
OMG Gabby! The spikes! Talk about those! I just put similar cone/spikes under my Rega. Wow! I think they made a noticeable change form these big sorbothene feet I had under it. More detail, pronounced tighter percussion and bass. I am also using the Ikea cutting board (and under the rest of my system). I am waiting for the Fiber Optic cable and media converter to come form Amazon from your last videos! Keep going! Great tips!
What are the spikes on the turntable? I have gone through your other videos, but I can't find them. Thanks for any help.
Hard to find big ones most are tiny I make my own on a lathe
like this one but bigger
czcams.com/video/pAzcFoIEeLE/video.htmlsi=3HP6l6NaJuLfqGC9&t=1280
What controls vibration is mass and rubber. So what I use is a concrete patio block 15" x 15" x 1.5" painted black ($5). And put a recycled rubber stair tread ($7)cut to the block size Which I glued on the bottom of the block . And then mounted my Rega p6 on it using three sorbathane large half spheres so I could easily level the turntable. This is very effective in controlling vibration. Mass and Rubber is the key. I use a Mitchell camp for Rega turntables which you can lock down. And use large rubber damping Rings around the glass platter rim
I kind of like this idea.
@@88Ozark And I use the patios blocks under my sub and my speakers. And it works. I feel no vibration on the floor. A very inexpensive way to control vibration.
Hello would you know anything on how to mitigate vibration from walls snd floors?
If you own your house and have a basement or crawl space you can add posts ground to floor under your speakers and components rack.
If not a big rug and add a thick padding Under it.
For walls room treatment may help a bit
That’s really clever! I note this video is now nearly a year old. How are the sponges holding up? Do they compress unevenly or perish over time?
Yes, He said you need to check the level due to sponge settling unevenly. If they do squish down and touch the hiding wood bar, you can just replace the sponge.
I use the Ikea cutting boards under all of my turntables. However my boards are sitting on spring loaded isolation feet from Amazon, one under each corner, and I have no feedback problems at all, and I can literally jump up in down in front of the turntable with no skipping.
Care to share the link of the feet your using? I'd appreciate it.
McIntosh, I’m jealous. 😜
I've been having this problem for awhile now. Definitely need to find a fix. Very annoyed.
What if the turntable is between the speakers, how to avoid the bass affecting the tone arm and the the cartridge ??
That is what I have a turntable between speakers.
Hello Gabster, could you let me know the name of the record weight on this video? Many thanks
Link is is in the description :)
I recall, many years ago, before the days the internet was a thing, reading that the turntable should be placed as far as possible from the power transformer...
When you turned the volume knob way up, were you playing anything, or was the system just one? I have a very similar situation. With nothing playing, and I turn the volume up I am getting all kinds of noise.
in my case I was playing music with Bass. Your case is more likely Amp noise from the turntable check your turntable ground, cables or something wrong with the turntable or phono preamp
I use a mixture of EPDM matting and EPE foam in layers, depending on the weight of the item. I also have a lasagne under my floorstanding speakers which work great. Try getting rid of the Chopping block and get the low density material directly in contact with the turntable. Even if it feels all wobbly, it will sound great.
I like your locking weight. Can you tell us where I can get one?
I got it listed in the description
A dl103 on that tonearm ? (TP 16 mk III I guess) Did you add mass ? How it works ? :)
Few people use this combination it is not ideal but works fine I would stay on the heavy load around 2.7g some people suggest 2.8 to 3g
Ok@@Gabster1
A slab of marble works incredibly well.
Great Video! How are the sponges 7 months later?
Surprisingly good but they are ultra cheap to replace
@@Gabster1 Thank you for the quick reply!! I'm doing it with mine tomorrow! I live in a cottage and you can't even walk by the turntable with out making it skip. No matter what I've tried.
Stop wasting your time, mount it to the wall, problem solved. Some amazing products on the market to make it simple. My table has been there for 40 years.
Never had a problem since. 😎
Sponges : excellent trick I will try myself :-) But do sponges last over time ? Doesn't their behavior depend on the room's temperature or humidity level? Thanks
I have had mine for almost a year and still good
After all if you have to replace them they are 1$
It die not matter a lot if they sag a bit as long as they are level you are good.
I prefer the $100 Audiophile sponges from France :)
It's pronounced Fronce😅
If you realy want decoupling, start with a tt with suspensjon, only thing that works with Big towers and subbs
Not too bad but there are proven and professional solutions available (usually based on pneumatic suspension). Search for vibration isolation table in your local online auction provider (in the optics, medical & lab sections) . You can of course buy them new as wel if you have the 10...15k lying around.
Again, no spunges. Buy some mdf board, cut for free at home depot. Go 3 of 4 sheet thickness. Add 1/4" cork sheet in between the mdf. Use feet of your choice. Under 20dols. Also get the turntable away from the wall.
will bags of salt be a bit better than sponges? if not, why
Sand NOT salt salt with give off vapor & rust + corrode everything it comes in contact with
IsoAccoustics!
Using ZaZen 1, before that I had the IKEA-plate with SD-feets. Value for money is IKEA, but the Isoacoustics has the look.
@@bergennorway I I have been using the Orea Series feet under all my units (including bookshelf speakers) for over a year now, and haven’t had the urge to change anything! Probably the best tweak that I’ve ever come across.
@@mikeeygauthier2959 Same here, I used SD-feets under my speakers. I didn’t belive changing from one «soft» dampening to another one would make any difference, but OREA proved me wrong. SD-feets was recommended from manufacturer of my speakers, so I invested in them. After hearing the difference they made on my speakers, I decided to buy the platform.
Of course I could buy the «pucks», but the platform looks way better in my rack.
Gabster if you want to talk about an amazing recording with an incredible amount of spacial Information and tonality you have to get Cheskey binaural series Macy Gray "Stripped" it will blow your mind.
I just ordered it you cost me $55 Thanks Eugene :)
@@Gabster1 I have both the album and the CD of macy gray. And I thank you for Etta Cameron. I ordered it
Is using dog balls is alternative
Don’t the dogs get upset?
Only if the balls are already neutered. If they are still attached it will make things worse.
G. I put spaghetti loop floor mat, that I cut to fit under speakers. Best, D.
What is that then what's it made from? Is that like a bamboo grass mat
@@jedi-mic"rubber" floor (door) mats very good vibration absorption. Good luck.
Or just buy an old AR XA Turntable and never worry again ;)
If you have problems with dancing, or even walking near your TT while it's playing, you just have a shit floor.
In order to best isolate vibrations, you'd need to know the frequency and amplitude of the vibration input and the mass of the system you are trying to isolate.
There are 3 ways to reduce vibrations being transferred into a system:
1 - Mass
2 - Springs
3 - Dampers.
Each one of the above operates best in different ranges of frequencies.
The cutting board is hardly any better than a piece of plywood. I was thinking of building a larger frame out of 4 pieces of 2 X 4 and suspending the plywood on several lengths of picture hanger wire so that the only vibrations come through the wire. Secure the wire with screws to both the frame and the plywood and the turntable will remain level no matter what the weight distribution is.
Sounds like a good plan if you do not mind the esthetics of it Yes like you said the cutting board is not the most important part but the sponges are. It is a nice solid heavy board and has bamboo in various directions.
@@Gabster1 I have plenty of black paint.
The bamboo cutting board is suppose to be much better with vibration. I don't think plywood has the same properties as bamboo. But if you're just using it as a stand and not a vibration control, won't be a difference.
OMG what a joke again. But I like the speakers. Do you have a wooden floor ??
I don't get it.
@@Pete.across.the.street Do you have a wooden floor / simple question
I have a wooden subfloor, not made of bamboo though. Do you not think bamboo is good for killing vibration?
@@Pete.across.the.street I think that when you have a solid house with a concrete floor, the whole thing is bogus. But in an old house with wooden floors It might be so that some resonance of speaker -floor -record player could couple into the system.
@@MGoudsmits I don't think that most people live in basements though.
Hang it from the ceiling
In all my 50+ years of using turntables I have never, ever heard of bass loop, earth loop yes but bass loop??? What the f^*k is bass loop. Do you mean feed back!!! If so you need to seriously re-evaluate your set up. Here's a tip or two, 1) Buy a decent turntable in the first place and set it up correctly. 2) Put it on a dedicated rack/stand or shelf and 3) Ditch the sponges and chopping board. Simple.
Geez, who pooped in your cupcakes.
@@raymiehershey1430 People like Gabster do, why spend a fortune on hi fi gear then attempt to make it better with sponges and chopping boards. The issues he is experiencing are down to 1) Either he has bought the wrong gear in the first place or 2) His equipment supports are inadequate. 3) His room acoustics need to be addressed to combat his feedback (bass loop??? or whatever) issues and 4) He does not understand the basic fundamentals of audio equipment and their function and he is fumbling about looking for a quick and cheap solution. And may I add, where is his dealer support in all this mayhem to help and assist with his issues. There is a multitude of this kind of drivel on youtube and it dosn't bode well for the serious audiophile that has something interesting and relevant to say regarding this fascinating hobby of vinyl replay.
@@madmeister407 The point is he is trying and sharing information. Don't be angry, share your thoughts and help out, effort waisted on negative responses. I'm a density guy, plus weight great results. Share your experience without being negative to benefit others.
@@raymiehershey1430 I'm not angry, I'm sad, i have been involved with vinyl for over 5 decades and love the format with a passion. What makes me despondent is the fact that this format was invented in the good old US of A and the standard of equalization is still the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) but theres a majority of Amricans who still post ridiculous videos on youtube that makes the rest of the world think " what the fuck are these people thinking" you invented the thing for gods sake and you don't know what you're talking about. It's these people that need to be educated or taken off social media because to be honest they are not doing their country justice.
I'm not in to point feet, chopping boards, hand balls ect. But I'm not into 1000 dollar iso plates. If ya know a better way to isolate, tell everyone specifically what you do.