TENNANT TRANS DEBATE: RTD, NCUTI, BBC - GET YOUR TANKS OFF DOCTOR WHO LAWN WITH TOXIC MESSAGING
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Time Agent Brendan wades into the political debate surrounding Doctor Who. He makes points about why is it only Ncuti Gatwa, David Tennant and RTD seem to be allowed to platform their messages and issues when the rest of fandom have to be silenced.
He refers to his 30 years teaching teenagers and how it is clear many celebrities are just grandstanding from a position of ignorance. But Time Agent Brendan also warns that the Doctor Who franchise is in a precarious enough a situation, never mind polluting the programme with toxic and insensitive and provocative messaging.
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Thank you Brendan for your brave and sensitive take. (Speaking on this topic really does take bravery.) I liked your comment that "ally" suggests a war; it would be great to escape the chains of this narrative. "Get your political culture war tanks off the Doctor Who turf"--YES, thank you!!!! Doctor Who is being degraded by being used as a political football. It's so sad.
Yes and I’m concerned that after chibnall, timeless child, flux, that all this political infiltration and polluting of dr who will eat it away - left as a husk, exploited and destroyed. Or so damage led it is just a national laughing stock. Thanks for your comments.
Brilliant video, Brendan. Well said!
Cheers mate
Shouldnt it be the parents or guardians of children to decide when a child is old enough to be taught about this kind of stuff ?
Exactly
It started in the Comic Relief special when 14 said he was just a "brilliant woman" in reference to 13. After a stale portrayal of a female Doctor we were straight back to the kid gloves with 13. She's amazing, she's the best.
Then the Star Beast solidified this point with the female cast exclaiming it was better when the Doctor was a she, and that he'll never understand. The message here is that men suck and only by changing to and staying as a woman can you be respected. I was utterly shocked. There is no way these people wrote this "positive" episode and managed to get something like this wrong. It's on purpose.
The real kicker is that Tennant's own father-in-law once admitted he was worried about a female Doctor because boys might lose a role model.
Oh the ironies. You make some very good points and relevant examples. It’s hard on such a subject wishing to be clear but not go too long
@Notallowed101 I must admit, I have wondered how well David gets on with his father-in-law?
Well said Brendan!
Thanks my friend
As a straight, white, leftie leaning, 51 year old man… I have felt so alone and abandon by fandom. I stand with you my friend. We won’t get Doctor Who back, but we need Disney Who to stop dragging it, and us, through the mud.
Another “ally” lol? The jargon they use is so dramatic and confronting - cult like. You’d hope grown adults would know better and certainly want to protect their own favourite show. It seems ego not pretend virtues truly rules. Yes join us mate - including on the panel - as we do nostalgia and classic and the whole spectrum of who. I have the Malcolm hulke biographer on soon to get tasty with the actual politics and classic stories
@@noblerees1 It's not cult-like. It IS a cult!
@@noblerees1I was an ally but got driven away from the community for the crime of believing in basic biology 😆
We are a bigger community
Then as a straight white lefty you should know better…what exactly are you whining about?
I’m not saying this to be nasty but RTD is acting like someone taking a lot of cocaine. I’m a working musician and unfortunately have been around a lot of people who take it and it turns them into nasty egotistical arses. RTD’s recent outbursts and even his promo appearance’s have seemed a bit manic.
There is something about rtd2 that seems too ideological, too angry, too belligerent, too egotistical, too sure of himself.
I think he's dealing very badly with his husband dying a while ago, not to excuse it, I think he's gone actually mental.
Truth is I hold the many executive producers around him accountable. Does no one speak up?
He's always seemed a bit *sniffy.*
@@deadman746 I’ve always thought so. Even more so now.
Spot on.
Thank you.
Brendan a cracking piece: well said.I am a 53 year old fan of WHO and first watched it aged four at Christmas.I vividly remember watching enthralled as Jon Pertwee fell to the floor and feeling my heart sink only to be fascinated and astonished when he was reborn as Tom.I don’t recall if either man was wearing Y fronts at the time.The magic has been stripped from the show and in its place we have this nihilistic culture of sexual heirarchy introduced by Moffat, Chibnall and Davies- the 3 Stooges.
We think alike. In the jargon that makes you an ally. Fancy an award? Who in their right mind would think it wise, healthy or narratively necessary to bring sex and gender politics into Dr Who? The warnings about RTD were there in that imagine documentary with Alan yentob in November. One of my earliest streams was about it
What should be escapism for all is being exploited by both the left and the right in this tedious battleground.
I think many who consider themselves to be on the left (and may even agree with them to some extent) are getting fed up with the constant heavy-handed preaching from entertainment writers/producers.
It used to be that good sci-fi made you think, it never told you what to think.
Yes it’s not that clever and it’s too easy to their political messaging at a show without care attention sensitivity and consideration for the character and narrative
Genius, superb stories MADE you think. This garbage has no story, only the message that we "have" to take on board...
Well said, I fully agree
Thanks
I don't agree with David Tennant in this matter to any degree but I didn't think much of Kemi's response either. Instead of sticking to facts and making a clear argument about why it's important to have common sense around the issue of transgenderism, she basically tried to diminish him with ad hominems, including about him being a white man. How does she get away with racism and sexism ? Imagine if he or anyone else had said the same thing in reverse ? This idea that white men are to be ignored in the West is insidious and dangerous. And it manifests itself in other ways on television and in films because it's noticeable how fewer and fewer white men are getting roles. See Disney's hiring practices as highlighted by James O'Keefe.
I understand your point about Kemi’s response -I felt she was calling him out on his apparent progressive virtues as him telling a woman to shut up did not really match all the values he pretends to live by. He made a cheap shot and he got one back. But if I made his comment I’d have no job. I hate the way these celebs feel they can spout. I also note that a celeb wishing the silencing of a government minister is saying how he disrespects and wants silencing all those who elected her and her govt. it’s like the Brexit debate all over again.
@@noblerees1It's significant, though, that being called a white man is now considered a cheap shot. He made no mention of her gender or race. The rest I agree with you.
@@noblerees1 "He made a cheap shot and he got one back." - exactly this, his bollocks, in fairness to Kemi, didn't warrant a decent response. "skin in the game", sure you have - FAR LESS THAN EVERY REAL FEMALE WHOSE RIGHTS TO SAFE SPACES AND SPORTS ARE BEING ERRODED DAILY!
I agree with you. If Badenoch ('Bad Enoch'?) really cared about the children being gender abused, it would have been a golden opportunity to challenge 'Princess David's' propaganda. Instead, 'she' called 'him' 'white'...
@@xmaseveeve5259 Exactly. We don't beat identity politics and feelings over facts by supporting it when it works for us. I'll call it out, whoever's doing it. Logic based arguments; not pathos and ad hominems.
Wonderfully put.
As usual Brendan, you've given us a measured and reasonable take on a sensitive subject.
Talking about the very real consequences of pushing this ideology on children is essential, and certainly not bigoted in any way.
There's no reason why we can't be kind and honest at the same time, and unlike David Tennant, think critically and compassionately.
I did feel we have to push back. I’ve taught too many kids and it is too complex an issue to just spout forth from a position of power - without truly seeing the day to day facts
Excellent! Well said! I agree Dr Who should leave gender ideology well alone. Is David Tennant safeguarding his son? Is the boy receiving "gender" medication? Is that why David Tennant is compelled to preach gender ideology indefinitely - to save himself from guilt? When I discovered Dr Who Twitter I was denounced as a 'BIGOT' by Big Finish authors for agreeing with Gareth Roberts and James Dreyfus. So much for debate and tolerance! There's a real dislike of the unlike, as Ian Chesterton might say.
Our community is strong and I think there a lot of wise heads about here
The Doctor/Rose story arc was IMMENSE and will always be a classic. David has his own beliefs which he has been fairly vocal about. The two shouldn't be mixed up or weaponised by a rabid section of society who don't seem to practice the rules they preach.
Agreed mate
No it was awful. New Who always was, that's the shameful elephant in the room.
I’m the B in LGBTQ and I’ve got an 18 year old daughter (15 year old son as well) and my daughter has a great many friends who I simply have decided to use the pronoun they or whatever name they want to be called (if I can remember it because some of them have changed it more than once now). I’m as respectful of the choices of these teens/young adults as I can be but I’m also well aware that they have all changed their minds on who they are, as we all did growing up, several times. The difference between the children now and when we were their age is we didn’t have all of this confusion presented to us by the media. We figured it out on our own. It has never been a bad thing to show children or anyone that we should be accepting, adapting and respectful of the choices others make or the differences of others. It is however wrong to expect a great number of people on a whole to upturn their lives, beloved tv characters and programs and simply be ok with and suddenly comfortable with change all of the sudden. Most people don’t do well with change and it’s particularly bad when you metaphorically change to the point where we all knew the color of the sky as blue and now if you don’t accept the new definition of blue as purple immediately you’re somehow evil. Simply because some people wish for acceptance doesn’t mean that the correct way to get it is by demonizing or “canceling” those with alternative beliefs, views or values (particularly when it comes to children).
If we want to be woke about Doctor Who, in the most modern terms, The Doctor is a Demi romantic, Demi sexual, bi-gendered, bisexual. That is based on the way he has been depicted up until this new Doctor. He also has traditionally had complex feelings regarding the closeness with humans being regarded as friends. They all leave. Thus far his known relationships have been with his own kind (aka other Time Lords), a clone of him who was essentially mortal going off to live a romantic relationship with a human, but, because he could now age with her, River Song who might be considered quasi Time Lord due to the circumstances of her birth and that’s all. Currently, one might argue RTD and Disney have disregarded the Doctor’s sexual identity and self identity as we know it. That’s extremely disrespectful to the Demi community who generally identify on the asexual spectrum. That’s hypocritical wokeness.
I thoroughly enjoyed your thoughts and how you were informed by your children’s experience too. Of course everyone should be respected and included but yes you put it better - leveraging this clumsily into sci fi narrative and characters
This is good, but there's more. A 20-year longitudinal Scandinavian study showed that transgender kids were killing themselves at a higher than average rate but not at a higher rate than could be attributed to other disorders they also had. Thus, there was no evident risk of suicide from just being trans. Gender-affirming therapy for kids has become so normalized that it is far easier to get it instead of care for things that actually do lead to a higher likelihood of suicide. This kills people. The more die, the more they insist on doing more of the same and thus kill more. They must be stopped.
....lost all respect for Tennant over the last few years tbh......
Agreed
It’s a source of great regret that in a country in which families rely on food banks to eat and the sick and most vulnerable are targeted for cuts to their income RTD targets….ordinary decent fans for his Political point scoring.As a small child I realised that the Doctor was a hero for the underdog not a champion for the übermensch of Identity Politics.Has RTD unlearned the meaning of Doctor WHO? The best WHO stories answer the question-Dr Who? The Doctor is the man who makes a stand, draws the line regardless of the odds and fights the good fight.
This Gatwa nonsense is NOT Doctor WHO.
I see the bbc and modern Who like the current goverment. scum bags. they totally ignored everthing thats happening to normal people,
100% well said
Well said Brendan 👏
Well said, get the tanks off the Dr Who property. We would say in the USA get off my (the doctor) yard. You In the UK say garden not front yard.
I feel specifically identity politics should stay out of Who; I don't have a problem with discussion of economics (Oxygen is a brilliant episode) or war or genuine egalitarianism, but identity politics that values people based on what category they fall into is just an awful thing to indoctrinate kids with. I quite like Doctor Who doing politics, e.g. The Sunmakers, but the identitarianism is just horrendous.
Yes it is too prominent and not very well integrated into any decent storyline
Who's Views covered this a few days ago and the trolls invaded the comments section. I suggested Tennant should follow the likes of Glenda Jackson and give up the day job and go into politics, but the trolls felt he can be an actor and express their opinion, completely missing the point that he is using his public persona to push his politics and influence his many fans. He is a fully paid up member of the cult, I have lost any respect I had for him.
Well we all have similar opinions. I prefer to reflect and consider first before piling in. I have taught many kids in that situation and talked to many dads like tennant so I can’t just jump in and basically critique without reflecting on all those emotions sensitivities and traumas I witnessed - I think every streamer needs to be aware that these are all humans and kids and not pawns in a political game by any of us
Well said Brendan! If we want politics we'll watch Newsnight or Question Time, Dr Who should be pure entertainment for a universal audience, like it used to be before RTD sank his teeth into it!
tomorrow I discuss sea devils spin off and weds 7pm we look at battlefield since it got ratings as low as this season to compare
Looking forward to both of those 👍
The same could be said about Billy Bragg. He is a good singer/songwriter and he's entitled to his opinion .....but he should refrain from commenting on things he plainly doesn't fully know or understand
'doesnt exist' means dead, i think thats why he caught himself amd said i dont wish ill on her but she should shut up.
Too right. He tried to dress it up afterwards but it showed his inner thought
RTD and a lot modern poeple in the media come across as rich privileged poeple that look down the audience.
Well it’s time we said get your tanks off our show - you’re ruining it
RTD comes across as an arrogant prig, who carries on like a "tough guy". (And he is a big bloke) I'm pretty sure he got bullied at school for being gay and now he's taking it out on the "straight" world.
I tried to watch some of the Whittaker stuff but it was poor, she was poor. Olivia Coleman might have pulled it off. I tuned back in to see Tennant come back but could never have predicted how bad his stuff would be, I can't even watch the new guy and from clips I've seen that seems to be a good idea! A kid's show pushing all these agendas is insane, good job it comes on after twelve at night now, nobodies watching. Think I'll put on a DVD tonight, from when the Doctor was a mysterious traveller in Time and Space, something with Sarah Jane Smith or Leela...
Time flash focus in our weds show at 7pm on battlefield and a sea devils discussion tomorrow with a mini series with biographer of Malcom hulke soon
The most interesting thing about Tennant's three 60th Anniversary "Specials" is it proved that even a good Doctor can be crap with bad, or indifferent, scripts. Maybe Jodie could have been good if she'd had better material to work with?
Same with Capaldi and his last season.
This has just occurred to me, but as a counter to people who blame the fall of Doctor Who on "leftism" (rather than "intersectional feminism" which is neoliberal identitarianism) can I point out all the best Doctor Who was made under Harold Wilson.
Longtimr lefty here, from America. I hate all this identity, performative politics b.s. It's suffocating entertainment _and_ politics.
You should go on Queen's Speech about this! Excellent. (I don't believe in 'trans kids'.) Great passion! You look younger.
Interesting take- lol. Look younger because I’m fired up?
@@noblerees1 You certainly were!
If it makes me look younger I should do it more lol
@@noblerees1 Ha ha! I need to try it myself!
RTD is a bitter old queen who has missed his moment and desperately wants to stay relevant.
Making himself more out of touch
Who is RTD?
Ah, yes. The hack.
It is entertainment for children and teens, and indoctrination about trans is not what should be in a children's or teens' program. Celebrities should not be virtue signaling in a dangerous way. Producers and show runners should not be using an intellectual franchise as a platform for their social advocates.
Maybe it would be a good idea, psychologically, for men who think they are women to first accept that they are men who think they are women?
The reason why we don’t have Euthanasia in Britain is because the Law makers are worried that it would make it easier for corrupt individuals to get rid of a wealthy relative for financial gain. It’s the same with Kemi Badenoch wanting to protect women’s Safe Spaces. It’s not necessary depraved Trans Femme’s that she’s worried about but just depraved men who will deliberately dress up as a woman to gain access to women’s spaces to carry out a heinous crime. People like Tennant act like criminals and deviants in society don’t exist. They do! Women and children are their targets.
I just love how they always spout "Doctor Who has always been political", as if you could flip on any random episode of classic Who and find an entire cast filled with gay and trans people, as you see over-represented in the current show. Or when they talk about the Green/environmental issues, as if most people weren't comfortable with that level of environmental content by the time Captain Planet hit the air in 1990, lol
Well we have some shows with biographer of Malcolm hulke who says nothing was as political as it is now
@@noblerees1 can you explain further? source?
The source will be our forthcoming shows with him
Sadly Doctor Who has become a victim of the "culture wars" without doubt.
music please?
You know me - I try to be reasonable but you’re right to correct that
You really don’t understand deadnaming do you?
As an English teacher I would ask you to point out if it is in the dictionary and if it is how long it has been? It’s a neologism so most of the population had never heard it before. I do understand the concept of course as I SAID if you listened I resolved so much bullying in school. Less of being reactive and triggered and LISTEN. All I expect is people concentrate. If you want to focus on one word out of a 20 minute show you’ll miss context, explanation and justification and most certainly miss nuance therefore your points lose any merit
You watch our show and you know we are well considered and you may recall we were one of the only streamers who refused to headline on the Cass report simply to get easy views because WE had READ it and felt if you truly understood the Cass report recommendations then trying your best to lever them into a dr who debate was wrong. We didn’t use it. So please don’t misread the good intent and wise words on this channel that you yourself watch. Let’s chat about this bit you seem to have come into these exchanges dismissing points rather than getting the point that we agree on - the trans debate - wider culture wars - should be used in dr who. They are too important to make into cheap entertainment