Can I remind folks to be civil in the comments section, please? Obviously the title is a bit clickbaity, but unfortunately it's necceserry for the dreaded algorithm. Also, this video isn't a critique or proclamation that one sequence of the scene's shots is superior to the other. It's simply an observation of how the original filming order can be evidenced in the final-cut. Obviously things change in the edit - that's common place in film!
On VHS there are actually 4 different versions which that scene plays differently in all of them. Its actually really really weird. You have the original movie that is just called Star Wars on the cover, the one that is called A New Hope, they one in the gold case, and the one in the silver case. There are scenes in all of them that are different between the other movies. The variation is insane but one scene that is in all of them but in the gold and silver is shortened to where its almost not easily seen is where Vader locks on to Luke and fires and in the just Star Wars version you see the lasers traveling for a few yards but you don't see them hit or what happens and in the other variations the actions are shrunk down and in the DVD release the scene is straight up taken out of the video. In the scene where Han fires and hills Greedo the originals have Han firing first but in the gold and silver Han fires second and the angle of where Greedo fires is changed depending on version. One of the variations has Han firing under the table blowing Greedo's dick off. Yea Han is evil for that one. Its either the gold or silver that Porkins had a different call sign of a Red number call sign instead of his extremely insulting name. Yes George literally named the only fat guy Porkins. One line that is so god awful that was never taken is in all versions. The line is "Obi Wan taught you well." A proper response would be "Obi Wan has not taught me anything sense you killed him like 2 months ago." Oh wait another change is in the original versions it was 2 months from the first movie to the second then it changed to several years. Either way months or years Vader should not have forgotten the fact he killed his master. Another thing so bad that proves George Lucas should have watched his own movies to not make such a fucked up failure its not a mistake its a pure failure is in episode 4 a New Hope and all 3 original trilogy movies Luke is 2 years younger than Leah but in Revenge of the Sith they are changed to twins. Another thing that is so wrong is the ages of the characters. So Luke was 17 at the start of A New Hope and Obi Wan was 67. In episode 1 Obi Wan is 17. By the start of Episode 2 10 years have past making Obi Want 27. The end of the clone wars and the end of episode 3 took 14 years making Obi Wan 41. Luke was born when Obi Wan was 41. 17 years after Luke was born Obi Wan should have been 58 but the originals stated he was 67. Hell some things made by George Lucas claim the Clone Wars only lasted 6 years not 14 which would make Obi Wan 50 years making the fuck up of ages even worse. George Lucas should have watched his own movies to not make such massive failures. Hell originally Leah was suppose to be 25 while Luke was 17 granting the ability for Leah to have known their mother as a legit child. Seriously watch your own shit so failures don't happen like these.
Here is a really weird fact the first release of the movie on VHS does not call itself A New Hope and in fact the company that made it on VHS thought it was a single movie in the 1990s and did not realize there were multiple other movies in the series. Lucas Films did not do the hard copy release of any of them but they edited the films and sent them to a company that made them into hard copies. Causing the first movie to not be named episode at all and on the box calls itself a single movie. I have 2 full sets of the gold case, 2 copies of silver case, 1 full set of the set, and the original version that does not call itself part of a franchise but calls itself a single movie. There was for a time a large confusion on weather or not Star Wars had an expanded movie base or not because the movie that was released called itself a single movie and the later releases called it a multi movie franchise and the original release was believed to be a fake movie but no it was real. The entire thing was a giant failure. It was also extremely awkward to where I have to admit I don't like the originals very much at all with so many flaws and down right bland story. Seriously the story is pretty lazy. Blond knight goes to evil fortress rescues princess and big baddie is defeated and evil fortress is destroyed. Also George Lucas is a liar. Go watch Star Blazers and Thundarr the Barbarian. Thundarr The Barbarian was released in 1963. Star Blazers got an English dubbing in the late 1980s but was subbed in the 1960s but was first released in 1954. Both Star Blazers and Thundarr The Barbarian is where all stuff from the original trilogies is blatantly ripped from. Hell the sword in Thundarr is literally called The Saber Of Light and A New Hope. I am not going to state what is stollen from Star Blazers because I serious urge you to watch it and be horrified at how much is blatantly stollen to the point where you would straight up call George the biggest lying sack of shit to ever exist. Old Samurai movie the fuck kind of blatant lie is that. Straight up I actually wonder how George never got sued to hell over it. Also watch the 1987 He Man and the War between Clones and Droid Army movie. That is the rough title. Its a pretty bad movie but The prequels did a better job making that movie. Watch that movie and wonder again how did Star Wars not get sued to hell?!
@@jordancambridge4106 Thundarr the Barbarian was released in 1980 and Space Battleship Yamato was released in 1974 in Japan. Yamato isn’t really that similar to Star Wars, and Thundarr was influenced by Star Wars. Where are you getting your 1950s and 1960s release dates from?
"Luke, did I ever tell you about the time I sent an urgent distress message? Coincidentally it was to your father, right before the start of the Clone Wars. Sit down, we're gonna be here awhile."
@@toddbonny3708 Obi-Wan isn’t concerned with saving Leia, he’s concerned with bringing the plans to Alderaan. He can take 3 minutes to talk to Luke to convince him to tag along. Without Luke he can’t do this, I think any audience member viewing it this way originally would have seen and accepted that, just like now people like you are convinced they need to jump straight into action-even though they don’t, they pile Jawa bodies while they wait for Luke to visit his aunt and uncle’s bones.
Correct. When the movie was originally released, we didn’t know who bail was. And then later on I think people automatically just jumped to the conclusion of Anakin. But correct itwas Bail
Or… Obi-Wan sees the message and then decides it’s time to bring Luke into the fold. So he tells Luke about the heroics of his father, the will of the Force, and Luke’s destiny as a Jedi, to get him to come along.
@@Billip-wn4yp I think that person was just generalizing, but it would be Marcia Griffin (Later Marcia Lucas ) who is credited with taking Lucas‘ disjointed meandering mess of a film and editing it to the exciting film we got. I think she absolutely did reorder this on purpose.
I saw this film in 77 when I was 5 years old, I had the young reader novelisation the same year, then the proper novelisation in several forms over the decades...I'm ashamed to say that I never noticed this difference between the two (Although I suppose not many of us read the novel 5 minutes before or after watching the movie while both scenes were fresh in our minds). Its a nice catch either way...especially for somebody like myself who lived and breathed this series for decades. Just proves that no matter how deep our interest/love for a franchise is, we can always learn something new. :)
I was seven! I had the same experience! I miss that summer. Mom let me and my kid brother see it all afternoon every Saturday all summer long. She would call the manager and check on us every couiple hours and pick us up at dinnertime. How times change.
@@el.gatofelixR2 never did get his memory erased. Only C3PO. A very inconsistent response from the guy ordering it just to serve continuity with the OT. A much more sensible way to have gone about with this would been to have C3PO suffer near-fatal damage in a conflict near the end of the movie, and he is successfully rebuilt with his personality intact but his memory core could not be salvaged. In effect, the reason C3PO should not remember the events of the Clone Wars was because he suffered amnesia from a war wound.
For the last time, even by her own admission, Marcia Lucas did NOT save Star Wars in the edit, she and the other editors simply helped Lucas to get the movie he wanted because he didn't know how to.
There is a fan edit, where this scene was put in a different order than was shown in the original release of Star Wars, but I cannot recall if it is in the same order that was in the novelization, though I recall the order in the fan edit made better logical sense than the way it was in the film. (though I saw no problem with the way it was originally in the film for about 35 years)
Adywan Revisited acknowledges the out of order nature of this scene… where after Leia’s message is done, that’s when Luke asks Kenobi about fighting in the Clone Wars, we get some semblance about the Force, the Jedi and the Sith… and Ben propositioning to Luke he learns about the Force and coming with him to Alderaan.
If you can find it. The radio version had scenes from the book that never appeared in the movie. Plus, the Cammie and Fixer scene appears in the children's picture book back in the 70s as well. Keep in mind. Time constraints for a movie often constitutes how it is developed and put together.
surprised 3PO being awake was never changed in any of the special editions. That would be an easy fix (just get one frame, photoshop the eyes dark, paste it on top of the entire shot, add some film grain. boom. done.) and that would be a change no one could really argue with.
I read the novelisation before I saw the movie. Then I read the trivia that the editor thought it silly that they didn’t talk about the message after having seen it so he changed it. I have clearly seen evidence of this editing for years.
Nice video, but I was hoping for more about the reasons. Why change it in the edit? Would some people say it tells a better story this way, and why so?
So that's why ... I always thought it was messed up how C3PO was awake after he was shut down. makes total sense. but I do like how the scene starts in the middle of their convo... I wonder why they edited it that way? Either way thanks and May the 4th be with you. ha.
Yup. Big fan - Seen ANH at least a thousand times and never saw it. Great spot. That said I think the theatrical release gets it right - the urgency thing blah blah blah
I feel like the miniseries actually helped fill in the gaps which the prequels could never fill. The way Leia refers to Obi-Wan in ANH and Obi-Wan recognizing her in the message all seems to point to them having interacted before, unlike how RotS presented things.
None of us understood why Obewan would hand animated kid like Luke a highly dangerous lightsaber Luke had no experience with that burns right through anything it touches when you switch it on. When you see Luke switch it on for the first time he's holding it sideways pointed at Obewan and immediately starts swinging it around, and I'm like holy phwckdood. At the time in 1977 nobody blinked about it because we had never seen one and had no idea what it would do or was capable of, but viewed in restrospect viewing this scene it's very cringe worthy. What if Luke had been holding the light saber backwards when he switched it on and proceeded to slice right through himself... lol I can sort of write it off as he was probably familiar to some degree how to hold them and how they worked just like how even little kids are familiar with how guns work by watching popular media of the time. I'm sure he was no stranger to what a light saber was and how it worked, but probably had never held an actual one before for sure.
We were all shocked by the "Big Reveal" at the end of Empire, but we forget that Lucas set us up for it by having the series' most trustworthy character, Obi Wan, LIE about Luke's father's fate. Let's be honest. No "certain point of view" would ever make Obi Wan's story the truth in a court of law. He should've just admitted that he lied to protect Luke from a truth he was not ready for.
Lucas is too insistent and straightforward with his ego, insists on spelling everything out in a nauseating way. had to be edited without slavish obedience to his ego.
Originally, Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were two completely separate people. So when Obi-wan says, "he betrayed and murdered your father" he literally MEANS he (person #1) "betrayed and murdered your father" (person #2). Obi-wan isn't being metaphorical, here. Lucas didn't decide to make Darth Vader Luke's father until he started working on the "Empire Strikes Back" script. The problem is, this introduced a huge continuity problem with the first movie (A New Hope), which Lucas finally explained with that awful "certain points of view" line in "Return of the Jedi." Lies aren't "certain points of view." They're just lies. What Obi-wan SHOULD have said was, "You're right, Luke. I was wrong to conceal that from you. I wanted you to remember your father the way he was . . . not for what he later became." It's not a great explanation but it's a lot better than we got. It also makes Obi-wan look like a huge jerk for not warning Luke about this huge psychological blow that Vader was sure to spring on him during their confrontation at Cloud City.
This is 100% fair, though I will say one could justify Obi-Wan's lie out of concern for Luke's ability to control his impetuousness in a way that his father could not...assuming, of course, that Vader had been destined to be revealed as his father all along, rather than a Ep5 retcon.
Yeah, and Luke's mother was on Alderaan when it was destroyed, having nothing to do with Naboo or Padme. The truth was, as the prequels showed, 'from a certain point of view' Emperor Palpatine betrayed and murdered Anakin Skywalker, but mostly he did it himself and Obi-Wan finished the job. From the original trilogy, it's possible that Obi-Wan viewed Vader as the machine, and there was an entire theme about how cybernetics and machinery corrupts and murders the living.
@@nickmonks9563, that's exactly the reason. Obi-Wan lied to Luke specifically because he knew that Luke, at this point, would not be able to handle the whole truth, or even understand the whole truth. He's actually really torn up and regretful about this, and needs to have a pep talk with Qui-Gon to assure himself that it's what needs to be done.
To be fair on Obi Wan's behalf. If Obi Wan had told Luke that his father was the enforcer for The Empire, Luke would've never became a jedi. Sure Lucas made Vader Luke's father, however it works still. It turns what Obi Wan said as a metaphor, and it looks like he suffers from PTSD. In lore Obi Wan does suffer from PTSD and views machinery as corruption. Hence "He's more machine than man now, evil and corrupted." He finds Anakin to be gone and can't be saved, due to PTSD. Anyway, had he told the Luke the truth from the start. Luke would've never became a jedi and possibly believed Owen. That Obi Wan Kenobi was a hermit and insane, possibly laughing at Obi Wan too! However Luke listened to Obi Wan and when he says "You'll find that out truths are true from a certain point of view!" He wants Luke to discover the answers on his own, bread crumbs if you will. He wants Luke to discover the answers on his own, instead of telling him. You don't learn if told the answers do you on a test, do you? No. He wanted Luke to know the man that was his father, not what his father became. Obi Wan loved Anakin, not Vader. Obi Wan also was older and wiser, had the patience to deal with Luke. Unlike he did with Anakin, he was harder, impatient, strict on Anakin. He didn't want a repeat of that. Luke didn't have Anakin's anger, instead Leia did. So Obi Wan knew as well that he didn't have to push Luke around unlike he did with Anakin. That's why Obi Wan feels like he failed Anakin, cause he Obi Wan was high on his high horse. He was blind to see that he was failing Anakin, when Anakin needed him most. Obi Wan wasn't around much to answer Anakin's questions, or shut him down. So that lead Anakin to acting out or hiding things from Obi Wan. Obi Wan recognizes these failures and promises not to do the same with Luke. While he does lie to Luke, it's only to protect Luke from what his father became. He knew if he had told the truth to Luke, he would've never left the farm. And possibly killed by Imperials like Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen. In the end Obi Wan lied to protect Luke from the dark reality, that his father became a mass genocidal psychopath. He wanted Luke to know that his father was a loving son, caring friend, the best star pilot in the galaxy, and Obi Wan was amazed with how strong he was in the force. You don't tell someone who never met their parent, the dark parts. Until they are ready for it. Like I said he wanted to remember Anakin in a positive light, so he separated Vader as a different person. Cause Obi Wan saw Anakin at his best and worse, to him. Anakin was flawed, but a good person. Vader was a genocidal psychopath, serial killer, sociopath who was twisted and evil, beyond saving. When Luke found out the truth, Obi Wan tells Luke in his view that Anakin is beyond saving. Despite Luke feels like he can save his father, and proves Yoda and Obi Wan wrong in the end. They didn't encourage Luke to kill his father, rather to destroy Vader, they separated the two, however they found Anakin irredeemable. Cause ultimately to them and previous attempts, ended up having fallen friend's die. In the act of trying to save them, or the person was purely evil. Another reason why the jedi failed was their blind judgment and didn't try to help fallen individuals, just look at Obi Wan's case how he handled Anakin's fall. He had no idea how to get through to Anakin, cause they didn't teach it. They only taught them to destroy the Sith, as in kill.
Going by the actual screenplay, the way it was finally presented was how it was scripted. Most likely the original editor thought it would be better in the wrong order, and Marcia returned it to how it was intended.
Marcia, or Richard, or Paul, or George. Could’ve been any of them. And it definitely wasn’t in that order originally because it’s that way in the novelization, the shooting script, and everything else. Also, C-3PO is awake in this scene when he should be asleep. John Jympsan, the first editor, was fired before he could finish a rough cut. The rough cut and all subsequent cuts were edited by our final editors, Marcia Lucas, Paul Hirsch, Richard Chew, and also George himself
It's not out of order that is just how to was filmed, it's edited this way because of Luke's importance to the story and what he's about to embark upon.
Only partially true, the original editor John Jympson was fired by Lucas for cutting too slow and dull. The "How Star Wars Was Saved in the Edit" video is full of misinformation and poorly justified opinions, here's a very thorough response: czcams.com/video/olqVGz6mOVE/video.html
What you've just discovered is the actual sequence in the original movie. Star Wars was originally exactly as you describe it, with them watching the recording of Leah first. I know. I saw Star Wars in theater 34 times.
Agree. Listening to Alec Guinness as Ben reminiscing about Anakin is far more emotional for me than the terrible CGI-fest of the prequels. Same with the novelisation of Return of the Jedi, reading about Ben's account of their battle, and then later on, Anakin's thoughts after Luke saved him, and just before he died.
Very interesting. I was hoping you were going to put the clips into the right order and let me watch the entire scene, but you were talking over the clips. Perhaps you would consider a follow up, where you tell people what you are doing, tell them to watch this video, for more information and then stop talking and run all the clips in the order they should go in.
I get why they changed it, but honestly this flows way better than the final cut. I'm surprised this was never reverted in any of the special editions. That awkward silence after they hear Leia's message always gets me lol.
What utter nonsense!! Both versions of the scene work just as well, this is just a different take thats all. Most movies are filmed out of sequence and the novel for Star Wars simply follows the script which also has the same sequence. Nothing to see here!
I don't think you understood what he was saying at all. The shots were rearranged in a different order from the screenplay. The novelisation came out well before the movie, and follows the original intended version. They then changed it before release. The order in which they physically filmed the movie has nothing to do with it
Indeed. The point of the video is to demonstrate how the order of shots can change in post-production, as opposed to how they were filmed, and to highlight their original order as evidenced by the novel. It's certainly not a critique or proclamation that one way is better than the other.
@@Connor17199 I understand perfectly so don't even go there! Fact is the scene works fine because the dialogue is worked around it, this sort of thing happens in movies all the time.
I’m gonna say it: A New Hope is not a good film. It’s a film I really like… mostly. It’s pretty boring. Aesthetically, it’s fantastic: but George Lucas. Oils t direct his way out of a bag
Can I remind folks to be civil in the comments section, please? Obviously the title is a bit clickbaity, but unfortunately it's necceserry for the dreaded algorithm. Also, this video isn't a critique or proclamation that one sequence of the scene's shots is superior to the other. It's simply an observation of how the original filming order can be evidenced in the final-cut. Obviously things change in the edit - that's common place in film!
In all fairness, the entire series was filmed out of order (4,5,6 then 1,2,3) 🤣
You’re right, sorry.
On VHS there are actually 4 different versions which that scene plays differently in all of them. Its actually really really weird. You have the original movie that is just called Star Wars on the cover, the one that is called A New Hope, they one in the gold case, and the one in the silver case. There are scenes in all of them that are different between the other movies. The variation is insane but one scene that is in all of them but in the gold and silver is shortened to where its almost not easily seen is where Vader locks on to Luke and fires and in the just Star Wars version you see the lasers traveling for a few yards but you don't see them hit or what happens and in the other variations the actions are shrunk down and in the DVD release the scene is straight up taken out of the video. In the scene where Han fires and hills Greedo the originals have Han firing first but in the gold and silver Han fires second and the angle of where Greedo fires is changed depending on version. One of the variations has Han firing under the table blowing Greedo's dick off. Yea Han is evil for that one. Its either the gold or silver that Porkins had a different call sign of a Red number call sign instead of his extremely insulting name. Yes George literally named the only fat guy Porkins. One line that is so god awful that was never taken is in all versions. The line is "Obi Wan taught you well." A proper response would be "Obi Wan has not taught me anything sense you killed him like 2 months ago." Oh wait another change is in the original versions it was 2 months from the first movie to the second then it changed to several years. Either way months or years Vader should not have forgotten the fact he killed his master. Another thing so bad that proves George Lucas should have watched his own movies to not make such a fucked up failure its not a mistake its a pure failure is in episode 4 a New Hope and all 3 original trilogy movies Luke is 2 years younger than Leah but in Revenge of the Sith they are changed to twins. Another thing that is so wrong is the ages of the characters. So Luke was 17 at the start of A New Hope and Obi Wan was 67. In episode 1 Obi Wan is 17. By the start of Episode 2 10 years have past making Obi Want 27. The end of the clone wars and the end of episode 3 took 14 years making Obi Wan 41. Luke was born when Obi Wan was 41. 17 years after Luke was born Obi Wan should have been 58 but the originals stated he was 67. Hell some things made by George Lucas claim the Clone Wars only lasted 6 years not 14 which would make Obi Wan 50 years making the fuck up of ages even worse. George Lucas should have watched his own movies to not make such massive failures. Hell originally Leah was suppose to be 25 while Luke was 17 granting the ability for Leah to have known their mother as a legit child. Seriously watch your own shit so failures don't happen like these.
Here is a really weird fact the first release of the movie on VHS does not call itself A New Hope and in fact the company that made it on VHS thought it was a single movie in the 1990s and did not realize there were multiple other movies in the series. Lucas Films did not do the hard copy release of any of them but they edited the films and sent them to a company that made them into hard copies. Causing the first movie to not be named episode at all and on the box calls itself a single movie. I have 2 full sets of the gold case, 2 copies of silver case, 1 full set of the set, and the original version that does not call itself part of a franchise but calls itself a single movie. There was for a time a large confusion on weather or not Star Wars had an expanded movie base or not because the movie that was released called itself a single movie and the later releases called it a multi movie franchise and the original release was believed to be a fake movie but no it was real. The entire thing was a giant failure. It was also extremely awkward to where I have to admit I don't like the originals very much at all with so many flaws and down right bland story. Seriously the story is pretty lazy. Blond knight goes to evil fortress rescues princess and big baddie is defeated and evil fortress is destroyed. Also George Lucas is a liar. Go watch Star Blazers and Thundarr the Barbarian. Thundarr The Barbarian was released in 1963. Star Blazers got an English dubbing in the late 1980s but was subbed in the 1960s but was first released in 1954. Both Star Blazers and Thundarr The Barbarian is where all stuff from the original trilogies is blatantly ripped from. Hell the sword in Thundarr is literally called The Saber Of Light and A New Hope. I am not going to state what is stollen from Star Blazers because I serious urge you to watch it and be horrified at how much is blatantly stollen to the point where you would straight up call George the biggest lying sack of shit to ever exist. Old Samurai movie the fuck kind of blatant lie is that. Straight up I actually wonder how George never got sued to hell over it. Also watch the 1987 He Man and the War between Clones and Droid Army movie. That is the rough title. Its a pretty bad movie but The prequels did a better job making that movie. Watch that movie and wonder again how did Star Wars not get sued to hell?!
@@jordancambridge4106 Thundarr the Barbarian was released in 1980 and Space Battleship Yamato was released in 1974 in Japan. Yamato isn’t really that similar to Star Wars, and Thundarr was influenced by Star Wars.
Where are you getting your 1950s and 1960s release dates from?
The problem is that Leia's message gives the scene a certain urgency, once you've seen it, you can't justify just sitting around reminiscing.
"Luke, did I ever tell you about the time I sent an urgent distress message? Coincidentally it was to your father, right before the start of the Clone Wars. Sit down, we're gonna be here awhile."
That's a very good point.
The message makes Obi-Wan realize it’s time to bring Luke into the fold. He’s not just reminiscing, he’s buttering Luke up.
@@thegoodgeneral that may be but to an audience thst has finally learned what dire straights she is in, even buttering Luke up seems pretty laid back
@@toddbonny3708 Obi-Wan isn’t concerned with saving Leia, he’s concerned with bringing the plans to Alderaan. He can take 3 minutes to talk to Luke to convince him to tag along. Without Luke he can’t do this, I think any audience member viewing it this way originally would have seen and accepted that, just like now people like you are convinced they need to jump straight into action-even though they don’t, they pile Jawa bodies while they wait for Luke to visit his aunt and uncle’s bones.
But which part of the scene did Obi-Wan go to get a bottle of Cerveza Crystal?
When Leia says, "Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars", she's talking about Bail Organa.
yeah no sh+t Sherlock
Lmao I was thinking uhhuh and thennnnn
Correct. When the movie was originally released, we didn’t know who bail was. And then later on I think people automatically just jumped to the conclusion of Anakin. But correct itwas Bail
@@pendragonshall What do you mean? People think Leia is talking about Anakin?
@@TheIronDuke9 You didn't know that.
a small voice in my head always wondered why c3p0's eyes were lit, even though he had shut down
The editor said it was stupid to just sit around reminiscing after seeing the message
Which Editor?
Or… Obi-Wan sees the message and then decides it’s time to bring Luke into the fold. So he tells Luke about the heroics of his father, the will of the Force, and Luke’s destiny as a Jedi, to get him to come along.
@@Billip-wn4yp I think that person was just generalizing, but it would be Marcia Griffin (Later Marcia Lucas ) who is credited with taking Lucas‘ disjointed meandering mess of a film and editing it to the exciting film we got. I think she absolutely did reorder this on purpose.
@@MurderMostFowl The problem with that is that there were multiple editors on the final film, including George Lucas.
@@MurderMostFowlshe deserves the credit for Star Wars as much or more than George
I saw this film in 77 when I was 5 years old, I had the young reader novelisation the same year, then the proper novelisation in several forms over the decades...I'm ashamed to say that I never noticed this difference between the two (Although I suppose not many of us read the novel 5 minutes before or after watching the movie while both scenes were fresh in our minds).
Its a nice catch either way...especially for somebody like myself who lived and breathed this series for decades. Just proves that no matter how deep our interest/love for a franchise is, we can always learn something new. :)
I was seven! I had the same experience!
I miss that summer. Mom let me and my kid brother see it all afternoon every Saturday all summer long. She would call the manager and check on us every couiple hours and pick us up at dinnertime.
How times change.
Great, drag me back in.
Great find. I never noticed 3p0's eyes lighting up again during the R2 message.
What about R2?! He saw EVERYTHING!!
R2 and c3po get their memories erased at the end of episode 3 revenge of the sith
@@el.gatofelixR2 never did get his memory erased. Only C3PO.
A very inconsistent response from the guy ordering it just to serve continuity with the OT.
A much more sensible way to have gone about with this would been to have C3PO suffer near-fatal damage in a conflict near the end of the movie, and he is successfully rebuilt with his personality intact but his memory core could not be salvaged. In effect, the reason C3PO should not remember the events of the Clone Wars was because he suffered amnesia from a war wound.
selective beeping...faulty memory circuit...hell maby a new hard drive, but he remembers Luke :)
Zero memory of it
Also fact is R2 actually never seen Anakin become a sith nor seen what happened to Anakin. He stayed at Anakin's ship.
I don't know how difficult it was to make the video, but well done! Thank you for posting it. 🙂
Why yes, I did know this. Probably because I saw that “How Star Wars Was Saved In The Edit” video on CZcams, too.
For the last time, even by her own admission, Marcia Lucas did NOT save Star Wars in the edit, she and the other editors simply helped Lucas to get the movie he wanted because he didn't know how to.
@@RoaryUK Indeed, as explained in the later video, How Star Wars Was Saved in the Edit Was Saved in the Edit. That’s a real thing, by the way.
@@DrZacksCafe Except it never happened that way FACT!
@@DrZacksCafeI love the at video unironically
Well it might be denied in “how “How Star Wars Was Saved in the Edit” was saved in the edit”
There is a fan edit, where this scene was put in a different order than was shown in the original release of Star Wars, but I cannot recall if it is in the same order that was in the novelization, though I recall the order in the fan edit made better logical sense than the way it was in the film. (though I saw no problem with the way it was originally in the film for about 35 years)
But, what about the droid attack on the wookies 😢
Adywan Revisited acknowledges the out of order nature of this scene… where after Leia’s message is done, that’s when Luke asks Kenobi about fighting in the Clone Wars, we get some semblance about the Force, the Jedi and the Sith… and Ben propositioning to Luke he learns about the Force and coming with him to Alderaan.
If you can find it. The radio version had scenes from the book that never appeared in the movie. Plus, the Cammie and Fixer scene appears in the children's picture book back in the 70s as well.
Keep in mind. Time constraints for a movie often constitutes how it is developed and put together.
Wow, I'd never noticed this before. Thanks for the awesome video!
I saw this fixed in Adywan's Star Wars Revisited Cut.
surprised 3PO being awake was never changed in any of the special editions. That would be an easy fix (just get one frame, photoshop the eyes dark, paste it on top of the entire shot, add some film grain. boom. done.) and that would be a change no one could really argue with.
yes that simple, that's actually a more complicated and time consuming way of doing it
MIND BLOWN
I love those bleached levi jeans Luke is wearing in this scene.
Uh, something I didn't even think about? Thanks for uploading.
Wait, uncle Owen told Luke his father was a spice dealer's getaway driver? 😂
I read the novelisation before I saw the movie. Then I read the trivia that the editor thought it silly that they didn’t talk about the message after having seen it so he changed it. I have clearly seen evidence of this editing for years.
0:06 - Yeah, that's how filmmaking works.
Nice video, but I was hoping for more about the reasons. Why change it in the edit? Would some people say it tells a better story this way, and why so?
So that's why ... I always thought it was messed up how C3PO was awake after he was shut down. makes total sense. but I do like how the scene starts in the middle of their convo... I wonder why they edited it that way? Either way thanks and May the 4th be with you. ha.
Wow I've never noticed that before it makes more sense that way
WOW THE FORCE IS STRONG WITH THIS ONE
In all fairness, the entire series was filmed out of order (4,5,6 then 1,2,3) 🤣
why is this how i remember it? was this changed in later versions?
Mandela effect, my friend. Welcome to this universe 😂
Have you read the novelization? Because if you have, you probably remember it as described in that book.
@@occam7382 yes actually i have. That probably explains it
On May the 4th I first remember the names of the students killed during the Kent State Shootings: Jeffrey, Allison, William and Sandra.
"He was good"
Yup. Big fan - Seen ANH at least a thousand times and never saw it. Great spot. That said I think the theatrical release gets it right - the urgency thing blah blah blah
In my mind, it's stitched in the original order.
I always thought it was odd
This was mentioned in the making of Star Wars Book.
Well that’s good to know
Ive wondered about that over the years, with 3PO, I always just thought it was a goof in editing
He got paid!
The question is why we get the sequence we do in the finished film...
Yes but why was it changed? There must've been a reason.
Actually, Obi Wan served her when she was 6 years old and she saved him when they went on an adventure.
I feel like the miniseries actually helped fill in the gaps which the prequels could never fill. The way Leia refers to Obi-Wan in ANH and Obi-Wan recognizing her in the message all seems to point to them having interacted before, unlike how RotS presented things.
None of us understood why Obewan would hand animated kid like Luke a highly dangerous lightsaber Luke had no experience with that burns right through anything it touches when you switch it on. When you see Luke switch it on for the first time he's holding it sideways pointed at Obewan and immediately starts swinging it around, and I'm like holy phwckdood. At the time in 1977 nobody blinked about it because we had never seen one and had no idea what it would do or was capable of, but viewed in restrospect viewing this scene it's very cringe worthy.
What if Luke had been holding the light saber backwards when he switched it on and proceeded to slice right through himself... lol
I can sort of write it off as he was probably familiar to some degree how to hold them and how they worked just like how even little kids are familiar with how guns work by watching popular media of the time. I'm sure he was no stranger to what a light saber was and how it worked, but probably had never held an actual one before for sure.
We were all shocked by the "Big Reveal" at the end of Empire, but we forget that Lucas set us up for it by having the series' most trustworthy character, Obi Wan, LIE about Luke's father's fate. Let's be honest. No "certain point of view" would ever make Obi Wan's story the truth in a court of law. He should've just admitted that he lied to protect Luke from a truth he was not ready for.
Nothing trivial about good work. Thank you! I may reedit my Despecialized Edition cipy.
That’s correct
movies tell us plenty of lies; it's art, not reality. We still want to be entertained by them
It works better as it was released.
Lucas is too insistent and straightforward with his ego, insists on spelling everything out in a nauseating way. had to be edited without slavish obedience to his ego.
Originally, Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were two completely separate people. So when Obi-wan says, "he betrayed and murdered your father" he literally MEANS he (person #1) "betrayed and murdered your father" (person #2). Obi-wan isn't being metaphorical, here. Lucas didn't decide to make Darth Vader Luke's father until he started working on the "Empire Strikes Back" script. The problem is, this introduced a huge continuity problem with the first movie (A New Hope), which Lucas finally explained with that awful "certain points of view" line in "Return of the Jedi."
Lies aren't "certain points of view." They're just lies. What Obi-wan SHOULD have said was, "You're right, Luke. I was wrong to conceal that from you. I wanted you to remember your father the way he was . . . not for what he later became." It's not a great explanation but it's a lot better than we got. It also makes Obi-wan look like a huge jerk for not warning Luke about this huge psychological blow that Vader was sure to spring on him during their confrontation at Cloud City.
This is 100% fair, though I will say one could justify Obi-Wan's lie out of concern for Luke's ability to control his impetuousness in a way that his father could not...assuming, of course, that Vader had been destined to be revealed as his father all along, rather than a Ep5 retcon.
Yeah, and Luke's mother was on Alderaan when it was destroyed, having nothing to do with Naboo or Padme. The truth was, as the prequels showed, 'from a certain point of view' Emperor Palpatine betrayed and murdered Anakin Skywalker, but mostly he did it himself and Obi-Wan finished the job. From the original trilogy, it's possible that Obi-Wan viewed Vader as the machine, and there was an entire theme about how cybernetics and machinery corrupts and murders the living.
@@nickmonks9563, that's exactly the reason. Obi-Wan lied to Luke specifically because he knew that Luke, at this point, would not be able to handle the whole truth, or even understand the whole truth. He's actually really torn up and regretful about this, and needs to have a pep talk with Qui-Gon to assure himself that it's what needs to be done.
@@nickmonks9563From what I recall, it was Yoda's decision to keep it a secret rather than Obi-Wan's
To be fair on Obi Wan's behalf. If Obi Wan had told Luke that his father was the enforcer for The Empire, Luke would've never became a jedi. Sure Lucas made Vader Luke's father, however it works still. It turns what Obi Wan said as a metaphor, and it looks like he suffers from PTSD. In lore Obi Wan does suffer from PTSD and views machinery as corruption. Hence "He's more machine than man now, evil and corrupted." He finds Anakin to be gone and can't be saved, due to PTSD. Anyway, had he told the Luke the truth from the start. Luke would've never became a jedi and possibly believed Owen. That Obi Wan Kenobi was a hermit and insane, possibly laughing at Obi Wan too! However Luke listened to Obi Wan and when he says "You'll find that out truths are true from a certain point of view!" He wants Luke to discover the answers on his own, bread crumbs if you will. He wants Luke to discover the answers on his own, instead of telling him. You don't learn if told the answers do you on a test, do you? No. He wanted Luke to know the man that was his father, not what his father became. Obi Wan loved Anakin, not Vader. Obi Wan also was older and wiser, had the patience to deal with Luke. Unlike he did with Anakin, he was harder, impatient, strict on Anakin. He didn't want a repeat of that. Luke didn't have Anakin's anger, instead Leia did. So Obi Wan knew as well that he didn't have to push Luke around unlike he did with Anakin. That's why Obi Wan feels like he failed Anakin, cause he Obi Wan was high on his high horse. He was blind to see that he was failing Anakin, when Anakin needed him most. Obi Wan wasn't around much to answer Anakin's questions, or shut him down. So that lead Anakin to acting out or hiding things from Obi Wan. Obi Wan recognizes these failures and promises not to do the same with Luke. While he does lie to Luke, it's only to protect Luke from what his father became. He knew if he had told the truth to Luke, he would've never left the farm. And possibly killed by Imperials like Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen. In the end Obi Wan lied to protect Luke from the dark reality, that his father became a mass genocidal psychopath. He wanted Luke to know that his father was a loving son, caring friend, the best star pilot in the galaxy, and Obi Wan was amazed with how strong he was in the force. You don't tell someone who never met their parent, the dark parts. Until they are ready for it. Like I said he wanted to remember Anakin in a positive light, so he separated Vader as a different person. Cause Obi Wan saw Anakin at his best and worse, to him. Anakin was flawed, but a good person. Vader was a genocidal psychopath, serial killer, sociopath who was twisted and evil, beyond saving. When Luke found out the truth, Obi Wan tells Luke in his view that Anakin is beyond saving. Despite Luke feels like he can save his father, and proves Yoda and Obi Wan wrong in the end. They didn't encourage Luke to kill his father, rather to destroy Vader, they separated the two, however they found Anakin irredeemable. Cause ultimately to them and previous attempts, ended up having fallen friend's die. In the act of trying to save them, or the person was purely evil. Another reason why the jedi failed was their blind judgment and didn't try to help fallen individuals, just look at Obi Wan's case how he handled Anakin's fall. He had no idea how to get through to Anakin, cause they didn't teach it. They only taught them to destroy the Sith, as in kill.
The "Wrong order" is how the scene normally plays out. What copy of the movie do you have?
…and people honestly say the OT are superior to any of the other trilogies 🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Going by the actual screenplay, the way it was finally presented was how it was scripted. Most likely the original editor thought it would be better in the wrong order, and Marcia returned it to how it was intended.
Marcia, or Richard, or Paul, or George. Could’ve been any of them. And it definitely wasn’t in that order originally because it’s that way in the novelization, the shooting script, and everything else. Also, C-3PO is awake in this scene when he should be asleep.
John Jympsan, the first editor, was fired before he could finish a rough cut. The rough cut and all subsequent cuts were edited by our final editors, Marcia Lucas, Paul Hirsch, Richard Chew, and also George himself
I have always known it's been out of order, just wished it was fixed officially so that scene can flow better
It's not out of order that is just how to was filmed, it's edited this way because of Luke's importance to the story and what he's about to embark upon.
They had a chance to “fix” that scene for the 25th anniversary remaster and chose not to, even though they did a lot of other changes.
wait a minute are you saying films are altered in the edit? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....?
I know, right! Shocking! haha
No didn't know, but always thought there was something clunky about the transition to Luke swinging the sabre...
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Also, C-3PO could have added A TON detail about Anakin Skywalker if he didn’t conveniently “shut down”. Bad timing, dude.
No he couldn’t have. His memory was wiped at the end of episode 3.
It’s common knowledge that the first cut of Star Wars was a disaster and was saved by the editor.
Only partially true, the original editor John Jympson was fired by Lucas for cutting too slow and dull.
The "How Star Wars Was Saved in the Edit" video is full of misinformation and poorly justified opinions, here's a very thorough response: czcams.com/video/olqVGz6mOVE/video.html
What you've just discovered is the actual sequence in the original movie. Star Wars was originally exactly as you describe it, with them watching the recording of Leah first. I know. I saw Star Wars in theater 34 times.
Back when it was all so enigmatic.
This clip did the Prequels story better than the Prequels.
Agree. Listening to Alec Guinness as Ben reminiscing about Anakin is far more emotional for me than the terrible CGI-fest of the prequels. Same with the novelisation of Return of the Jedi, reading about Ben's account of their battle, and then later on, Anakin's thoughts after Luke saved him, and just before he died.
That's because the possibilities are always bigger and more enticing than a single story.
Luke always looks like a bizarre elderly child.
I think only nerds care about this.
bro get a new mic it seriously sounds like you are using 20 skull candy headphones as a mic
Very interesting. I was hoping you were going to put the clips into the right order and let me watch the entire scene, but you were talking over the clips. Perhaps you would consider a follow up, where you tell people what you are doing, tell them to watch this video, for more information and then stop talking and run all the clips in the order they should go in.
Now, there's this little thing called Copyright, which is why I'm unwilling to do that for such an extended sequence.
I get why they changed it, but honestly this flows way better than the final cut. I'm surprised this was never reverted in any of the special editions.
That awkward silence after they hear Leia's message always gets me lol.
yeah it does flow better. shows that during those times lucas editing skills weren't all that great, but he was still sorta new at things.
Luke: That girl in the message you've got to save her! Obi-Wan: It's okay she's got plot armor. Now let me tell you about the Clone Wars.
Except they don't know where Leia is nor if she's even alive. The concern is getting R2 to Alderaan, not Leia.
the whole movie was saved in the edits, there are soo many cut scenes and scenes moved around
AI needs to work on his pronunciation.
Oi! 😑 What's wrong with my pronunciation??
What utter nonsense!! Both versions of the scene work just as well, this is just a different take thats all. Most movies are filmed out of sequence and the novel for Star Wars simply follows the script which also has the same sequence. Nothing to see here!
I don't think you understood what he was saying at all. The shots were rearranged in a different order from the screenplay. The novelisation came out well before the movie, and follows the original intended version. They then changed it before release. The order in which they physically filmed the movie has nothing to do with it
Indeed. The point of the video is to demonstrate how the order of shots can change in post-production, as opposed to how they were filmed, and to highlight their original order as evidenced by the novel.
It's certainly not a critique or proclamation that one way is better than the other.
@@Connor17199 I understand perfectly so don't even go there! Fact is the scene works fine because the dialogue is worked around it, this sort of thing happens in movies all the time.
@@RoaryUK, you really seem to hate him pointing this out, don't you?
Just because scenes were filmed in a certain order doesn't mean it's out of order per the script when moved around later.
All movies are a lie. Anything new?
I’m gonna say it: A New Hope is not a good film. It’s a film I really like… mostly. It’s pretty boring. Aesthetically, it’s fantastic: but George Lucas. Oils t direct his way out of a bag
Movies are made out of order and re-edited further... news at 11.