I can see myself skipping the next 3-4 gens with the 5800x3D, that's how good it is, could change in the future but still pretty satisfied with it so far at 4K.
what gpu are you guys rocking? Asking cause I have a 5800X and thinking of stay on am4 and upgrade cpu or whome shizzle ma nizzle right now a 3080 inside and my fingers are itching to buy a 7900XTX.... opions beside money?
@@WarumWiesoWeshalb Hi mate, sorry for the late response, I'm rocking an RTX 4080, playing at 4K allows the CPU load be minimized and having AT LEAST an 8-core CPU of the latest generations is enough. GPU-wise, if your aim is stable 165Hz at 1440p or 120Hz-144Hz at 4K, I'd recommend either the 7900XTX or RTX 4080, also note that both FSR and DLSS are getting a new version soon allowing for more fidelity and performance so you can be good with a more affordable option for a while longer.
I just love how the 5800X3D still is a monster even without ddr5 rams. So glad I bought mine on first release. Waiting at least to AM6 before upgrading it. Went from a 3600X + 3070 to 5800X3D + 4080 and couldn’t be more happier playing at 1440p
DDr5 offers very small generational increased performance or noticeable difference. It exists sure, so does the 7800x3d over the 5800x3d but its hardly enough to justify, anything like making that kind of investment in the upgrade. Clever man! Take a golden star, grab yourself an Apple and invest in a RTX 4080... nicely done! 🖖
@@mrhassell < Absolute cow droppings. The 7800X3D is SUBSTANTIALLY better than the over rated and WAY over priced 5800X3D ,,, Don't waste your money on old over-rated crap when you can get far better for just a few dollars more
@@tilapiadave3234 If you have an AM4 platform, it makes no sense. There's not that much of an improvement that justifies the cost. Its a bad economic choice, its perfectly fine as an emotional one. If you make financial decisions, based on feelings, stay positive.. as its the only thing that matters. If you work with logic, then your idea is illogical Jim.
@@tilapiadave3234buddy am5 all together is more expensive than am4. saying it’s a few extra dollars more when you also have to buy a motherboard and ram ontop of the upgrade is crazy.
@retakleksum111 already got the Ryzen 7800x3d. I think I am good until AM5 platform becomes a mature platform and nearing end of its life cycle. Upgrading then will make more sense.
Same plan. This could works fine with my 6900xt and give me smooth 90fps at 1440p. When I see it struggling with next generation UE 5.2 games I might upgrade. But so far so good.
Thanks for the review. That is handy information. Not sure if possible, but it would be equally helpful to have a "updates per second" benchmark. For specific games, increasing FPS doesn't improve the quality of the game experience. It's more like, "How much stuff can you have going on at once?". Examples of such games are HOI4, EU4, Stellaris, Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Civ 5/6, etc... Late game, some of the Paradox games mentioned become slide shows (while FPS is >60) because the CPU has to update the state of so many units on the map.
Thanks for the video - interesting results. I do wish that more reviews of the 7/5800x3D covered performance in games like Tarkov, Warzone and WoW, etc. It's in cases like those that the CPUs really shine given the expanded cache.
Love a comment like this. Ive had people arguing with me that something like a 3600 or 5600x delivers the same fps as the 5800X3D. Just because you're plying Tarkov at 90 or 120 frames a second doesn't mean the game is running at a smooth pace. The 3D cache and those extra cores is so important for a fluid general experience
I play warzone. I upgraded to 4070ti with a 5900x and it would not use 100% of my gpu. at 1440p with everything ultra and dlss off, I would get 115-140ish fps, after upgrading to am5 7800x3d it would now use all my gpu in all games. Warzone never goes below my 144 cap. Resident evil 4, Last of Us both now use 100% gpu where as before, they would only use 70-80%.
yeah lol, most advice on building pcs is centered around running cyberpunk on 4k with RT. im running a 7800x3d with a 306012gb and the games/settings i play im still cpu limited
I'm using the 5800X3D paired with a 6900 XT and love it. I was determined to hold off on jumping to AM5 until I have to. I started Ryzen all the way back with the 1700X and kept upgrading seamlessly.This confirms that choice for me yet again.
Decided to upgrade my 3 year old AM4 system, replacing the 3800X with a 5800X3D. Felt like history was going to repeat in part and that AMD will need more time to improve AM5 stability. Given recent findings that looks like it was the right thing to do. Yeah i'll likely end up upgrading to AM5 in a year or 2, but that saving on not needing a new MB and RAM meant i could upgrade my GPU from a 2070 Super to a 6950XT
As much as I'd love to see my own computer do 300fps in certain games. The more financially and mentally stable option, for me- would have to be the 5800X3D.
I still want to see more E-Sport Titles when it comes to CPU Benchmarks. And I want to see them not only at High - Ultra Settings but Low and Medium too.
I would go for AM5 at this point. The current CPU's are just the first step for this platform. If you buy an AM4 system you'll be very limited towards future upgrades.
Sure. The 5800 X 3D is for those, who have good (fast) DDR IV RAM and maybe already an AM4 MOBO. Evenfor those, who have a bit cheaper AM4 board because of X 3D chips don't use that much of power, they only generate a bit more heat because of the 3D V-cache but also an A520/B450/X470/B550 board is good enough for it. Of course a 500 chip board is better supportwise but only from B550. ;) And I think, many people bought a 3000/4000 series chip with B550, or even a 2000 Seies with X570 and they can very well upgrade. Well, in older boards it is a bit more complex to upgrade because they do not support PCI-E 4.0. So if you use PCI-E 3.0 x 16 for the GPU, it is OK but if you use less than x16, then it is not so good.
@@Theworthsearcher 5800x3d is less sensitive to fast vs slower ram so I would say the 5800x3d is for people who want max performance without having to shell out for fast RAM.
The most sensible and relevant test I've seen on such matters. Hardware Unboxed just don't understand the 4090 4k testing rationale. Please could you test DCS at 4k/4090 with both processors.
Going from a 5800x to a 7800x3d was very noticeable. I have a 4090 so wanted the best gaming cpu to go along with it. Was playing HZD at the time and i immediately noticed how much more consistent the frame times were. Game ran around 20fps higher but felt incredibly smooth and the 1 and .1% lows were far higher. No regrets and will definitely cop the 8800x3d whenever that releases (and a 5090 too lol)
Thanks for this. I was considering getting a 4080 + a 5800x, but after watching some videos and getting advice, I'm going to stay with my 3080 and get a 7800x3D + 32 GB 6000Mhz Ram instead.
You simply don't need a faster CPU than a 5800X3D with a RTX 4090 when playing at 4k only like me! I use it on my LG OLED C1 in 65 inches and my dream came true playing 4k up to 120 FPS at 120Hz ❤
@@Serandi1987i just ordered my first uhd 32" monitor. I run a 5800x3d, 4090 and 32gb ddr4. I'm about to order a 7800x3d + new MB and ddr5 May i ask about your oppinion? You're telling it's not worth spending the money for the upgrade?
@@Serandi1987 i checked some comparison videos. The difference is not worth the price. So i stay with 5800x3d and ddr4 at the moment. That enough for me. Tarkov is bugged right now. Memory issues i heard
I am sticking with my 5800x3d. DDR5 compatibility issues, am5 motherboard issues from all manufacturers and lack of pcie 5.0 nvme drivers is forcing my hand. Please everyone upgrade so you can pay to be a tester, then i can purchase a rock solid am5 board and 9800x3d two years from now.
Upgrading from the 5800X3D to the 7800X3D is not advisable anyway, but those RAM Issues and motherboard issues are way overblown. I haven't had a single problem until now.
One important thing to note, in the age of upscalers, is that if you're gaming at 4K and using something like DLSS or FSR 2, you're going to be running at 1440p or 1080p rendering resolutions, and if you're gaming at 1440p or 1080p, you're going to be gaming at even lower resolutions. So you might be more likely to see some of these CPU differences than you might assume. Also, side note, but it's actually kinda bizarre to see CPU performance differences that large at 1440p, and to see anything at 4K is absurd. I don't know if that speaks to the sheer power of the 4090, or to how CPU intensive modern games are.
I bought an X570 board in 2020. I bought 32 gigabytes of 3600 mhz DDR-4. I bought a 3700X and an R580. I upgraded the R-580 to an RX 6700 a while ago. Now it's time to just drop a $300 5800X3D in the socket and keep going for another 3-5 years. If I run the 5800X3D as long as I run the 3700X it'll be 2028 before I buy a motherboard. I could even upgrade my video card quite a bit before this chip bottlenecks. I've been waiting to find one for less than $300. I paid $309. I'll receive it tomorrow. I hope a Peerless Assassin 120 will keep it cool because that's what I ordered to go with it. If you have a good AM4 board and especially an X570 this is a chance to stay relevant for a few more years without starting total over. I'll build eventually but my board and ram are only 4 years old. I love that I can pull a major upgrade without changing everything, not even a windows install involved. I've updated the bios but before I install the new chip I'll have to go turn off all boosts and overclocks because this chip isn't going to like it. I'm like a little kid on Christmas Eve here. I can't wait to play.
I have a 4090 and a 5800X3D. I obviously game at 4K exclusively. I feel that sure in some games having a 7800X3D I can gain some frames. But to right now then upgrade, RAM, Mobo and CPU is not really worth it for average of 4% more frames. Sure some games could be 15%, but I might not even play those. Then you have games with "frame generation" that eliminates any CPU bottleneck anyway. I feel I am better off "suffering" for another year until 8800X3D comes out and upgrade then for a likely far more substantial increase. Or go for "Arrow Lake".
I was tempted to upgrade to am5 and get the 7800x3d but seeing a lot of game benchmarks for 1440p and 4k the gain isn't much worth it from my current build of 5800x3d, 32gb ram and 4090. I'm happy to wait until am6 or later as I think the 5800x3d will be very good for at least 2 generations from now imo.
Make sure you undervolt with pbo! Most of these chips are binned to be good enough to achieve a -30 core optimiser offset on all cores which in my case took my max temps on cinebench loops from 87c to the high 60s. Lots of good guides on CZcams, my bad if you already knew this 👍
My old Intel motherboard died recently so I was forced to upgrade, and in the end I went for the 7800X3D, with the logic being that it would be more future-proofed and not require me to do as many incremental upgrades, but the option to upgrade is available because of how new AM5 is means there will still be new CPU's released for a few years if I need to upgrade. Intel was basically a non-option this generation, same dead-end issue that AM4 has, and they suck up so much power and so much heat that I would need to spend more on cooling and energy bills too. I'm willing to swap out a lot of parts, but I consider changing motherboards to be a bit of a hassle, so the desire to avoid that was also a deciding factor.
Yep, that's my plan too. Waiting until I actually play a game from the last 5 years (still need to finish KOTOR2, Fallout 4), but then yeah, 5800x3d upgrade
You simply don't need a faster CPU than a 5800X3D with a RTX 4090 when playing at 4k only like me! I use it on my LG OLED C1 in 65 inches and my dream came true playing 4k up to 120 FPS at 120Hz ❤
I needed this video right now. Upgraded to a 4080, I play in 1440p , I can get the 5800x3d for $360 CAD . Compared to the $1000 to get into a 7800 the performance gain just isn't there. I'll be picking up the 5800x3d and waiting for the next gen.
Thanks for this well done comparison of these 2 very capable AMD CPU's. I would probably take this to mean that if you currently have an AM4 setup get the Ryzen 7 5800X3D and If your building a new AM5 system go with the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. Having both of these very nice options should give most a nice option of which to go with.
EVEN FOR A NEW BUILD...,AM5 x2 price.. BTW,upgrade path is little bit of a trap and,generally, NEVER buy a new released products just for future proof excuse because doesn;t exist such thing , see b550 vs older b350 which can run 5800x3d but missing many features and loosing cash for each cpu upgrade..
I upgraded my 3900x recently to 5800x3d paired to 6900xt both water cooled, lost some performance in workstation workloads, but free 20% more gaming performance on same platform with zero investment was a no brainer.
After watching this video and about 4 weeks ago I bought a 5800X3D, a deepcool AK 400 CPU cooler, a 4090 FE and a Corsair RM100x 1000W 80+ gold ATX 3.0 power supply. I also bought a Corsair 500D RGB case in black plus a load of extra fans and fan hubs. Still got my X570 aorus motherboard and 32 gb DDR4 RAM. It's now superb on IL2 and very quiet and stays cool. Flying a MK Vb Spitfire with a Reverb G2 headset and everything on full except the grass I'm getting 91FPS and its as smooth as. My old 2070 got so unbelievably hot I feared a fire. I'd highly recommend a 4090 to anyone going high res VR for flight or combat sims, yes they are horrendously expensive but you will not be disappointed.
I'd be curious for VR benchmark or multiscreen for Simracing and Flight Sim games. Focused on 0.1% lows too. That's the real benefit I've seen from these CPU (and big differenciator, I hear). MMOs too, but... go Benchmarks those! 😅
My micro center has a $300 deal for the 5800X3D and a $470 deal for the 7800X3D so Im thinking save the extra $170 for a better GPU and just use the 5800X3D.
My current rig has an 8700k i7. Just spent about $600 for upgrading to a 7800x3d. Figure if am5 sticks around as long as am5 did, it's a solid investment.
In my opinion you made one error. You did not include the cost of AM5 motherboard and DDR5 price in the final calculation. Because no one buys 5800X3D unless someone already have AM4 platform from previous build. So the only cost per frame is the new CPU. While for AM5, you must pay for everything, not CPU only. And, what is also important, I do not think many people will use X570 - so the latest motherboard - with 5800X3. I believe most people upgrade old systems. I myself upgraded from B350 + Ryzen 1600 to 5800X3D on my old B350 motherboard. For such people, 7800X3D is totally irrelevant, as the saving from using 1st gen motherboard with latest & fastest AM4 gaming CPU are even higher. So in summmary, you can have like 80-150% better gaming performance on AM4 with only switching CPUs, while you would need spend 2.5-3x that amount on AM5 for additional 15-20% more performance. 7800X3D makes sense only if you buy new platform, if you already have AM4 then AM5 is totally irrelevant and I think most people with 5800X3D will simply wait for AM5 successor and then switch whole platforms.
What you dont see is that 1080p results shows the longevity of your CPU. You may be GPU bottlenecked now at 4K but after 2 3 years this will change as new games push your CPU harder. Again, 20 percent at 1080p is not a huge difference and doesnt justify the cost of 7800x3d especially if you already have an AM4 platform.
Eh, you don't even have to look far into the future. For 4X gamers like me, the results are already there. I play games not bottlenecked by my GPU and can already see the uplift over the 5800X3D.
This is true. But most of us already on a 5800X3D is likely better off upgrading to 8800X3D or Arrow Lake instead of changing whole platform from AM4 to AM5 and only gaining an average of 4% at 4K. Better to just wait until next generation.
I upgraded from a 1600 AF to a 5600 to a 5800x3D, added a 6950 XT and I am pretty happy at 1440p. Meanwhile my 9 year old gets to enjoy my old Nitro+ 5700 XT. I'm good until I get the build bug again.
I have a 5600 paired with a 7900xt. It does the job very well since i'm limited to 120fps on my LG C1. I think about upgrading to a 5800x3d to give it more legs long term since the appeal of a new mobo/ram/cpu/cooler combo is not very sexy on the still immature AM5 platform.
@@farmeunit Nice joke.. "just" double the price for a new AM5 rig vs a new AM4+5800x3d and triple just for cpu upgrade and when 5800x3d life is finished you ended to spend a lot more for AM5 "upgrade" path..
@@torukmahtomahto409 Depends. 7700 equals the 5800X3D in majority of applications and is $275. Which is really irrelevant because I said if have AM4 already get AM4. So back to new, the processor is the same price. The 7700X is overall faster than the 5800X3D except for a handful of cache sensitive games. It's $300. The board I have cost $200 new. The X570 I have also cost $200 new. So no difference. I got free RAM from MicroCenter. So zero. Even if I paid for it, it is $100 for 32GB. So it would cost about $30 more for a better platform which can be upgraded just like people are doing now with the 5800X3D two years from now. So in short, if you get free RAM, it's actually cheaper to get AM5. If not, $30 more. Not to mention bundle discounts available at some locations.
I’ve been racking my brain trying to decide if it’s worth it to go for the whole am5 setup. This video clinches it. I have a 5900x and 4090 and have an oled 120hz tv I use and so it doesn’t matter if anything can go over 120fps, it will be no good to me. The only games I’ve seen where the FPS is slightly significant are MSFS and Hogwarts which I don’t play. Alan wake 2 which I do play is exactly the same fps on both. It is totally not worth buying a whole new pc. Upgrading to 5800x3d. THANKS for the help!
Just throw in a 5800x3d, late to the party but was a huge jump in performance from my 5800x paired with a 7800xt at 1080p. its getting 240fps in most every game I play now and couldn’t be happier with the setup. The 7800x3d is a great chip but I’ll be on am4 with the 5800x3d for a good while forsure
something to note, alot of ppl are using LG Oleds as 4k displays now and they are capped at 120hz, so while we see many games run above this many ppl will never get to see those frames.
I bought an open box 5800X3D for $263 to replace my 5900X. I owned it for a month before I realized it would cost me about $40 to go to the 7600x/x670 Aorus Elite AX/32gb 6000mt CL30 Trident Z5 Neo. Sold the cpu/board and ram and ended up spending less out of pocket. Then I found a brand new sealed 7800X3D for $340 locally. Then a month later found another new 7800X3D for $260. And then a B650e-e Asus ROG Strix / 7600x for $240. So both Media PC's have 7600x and my PC and my Son's now has 7800X3D. I just can't pass up selling off old hardware when the price is right.
Sure native 4k is almost entirely GPU bound, but what about 4K using DLSS Quality? IMO, you guys should include that in future tests as it's a pretty realistic use case (even with a 4090) and would likely show a much wider gulf in performance.
@@azerogames DLSS (and all upscalers) render at a lower internal resolution. 4K DLSS Quality, for example, renders at 1440p. And as we've seen here, there is around a 15-20% performance delta with the GPU bottleneck removed. Considering DLSS Q often looks as good or better than native, it's worth considering.
@@ThisAintPizzaHut445 DLSS Q still has shimmering and HUD problems in F1 2021/2022 as well as MS Flight Sim (to name a few), so, no it doesn't look better than native. I should know, I play my 4080 and don't use DLSS because of that.
@@pkpnyt4711 It's not *perfect* no, but neither is native. HUB did a pretty extensive comparison across several games and found it = or better than native in most. I quite happily use 4K DLSS Q in every game that has the option.
@@ThisAintPizzaHut445 in the testing, it was equal or better than native most of the time at 1080p (some games in native looked a bit more washed out), but people with 4080s and 4090s play at high refresh 1440p and 4k. At these resolutions High Q DLSS is not better specially at 4k. People who say otherwise, are just willing to sacrifice fidelity/quality for more FPS (specialty for fast paced games).
ARGHHHH! I am so stuck now - AM4 system would be about 9.9 k Danish crowns for me ( about 1500 dollar ) without GPU. AM5 system is 1750 dollar so not a huuuuge difference - so now I am just completely stuck - darnit!!!!
Better to get a 7600-7700 for around the same package cost, and have an upgrade path with similar performance to 5800x3d.. unless you're already on am4 obviously
I'm on a 5600x and was considering going to the 5800x3d but it didn't seem worth it for the cost so thought of the 7800x3d and a new motherboard and ram but watching this it's still not worth it. I think upgrading my 3070 is the best bet even with bottlenecks and waiting until the prices drop for an am5 setup.
Currently sitting on an AM4 board with a 3900x. Definitely debating on whether or not the 5800x3d is a big enough upgrade to keep the rest of my rig going another couple of years, until it’s time to build a whole new setup. Or if I should just build a whole new rig early next year. While the conclusion here is not really helpful, the video itself does give me more info to work with to make a decision soon.
from a 3600 and a 5700xt, instead of going to AM5, I upgraded to a 5800x3d and a 4090. best upgrade ever since the extra money going to AM5 was used to upgrade to a 4k OLED TV
I have the 2700x and wanted to upgrade, but changing to am5 with ddr5 and change motherboard, CPU and RAM is a lot. I'll wait for the 8800X3D for the AM5 upgrade. Btw I wanted to take the rx7800 xt but I'll see when the next CPU if there is a new gpu as well. If I stick to AM4 and take the Ryzen 7 5800X3D it will be difficult to upgrade later.
5800x3D if you have AM4 now. If you are jumping into AM5 7800x3D. Their performance is amazing for both and very comparable. Don’t let FOMO take your $$$ if you have AM4 get the 5800x3D. Other than on a graph, you wouldn’t notice any difference between the two in real world use cases.
Superb comparison. Glad you pointed out the real world issue regarding testing high end CPUs with high end GPUs at 1080p. That may be theoretically a better benchmarking test of the CPU, but it's unrealistic. On the CPU upgrade path, I'm still undecided. I'm moving up from AM3+ and an fx CPU, so for me it's whole new system territory. But AM5 has been problematic and even with recent price adjustments, it's still expensive and hasn't even tracked the price adjustments for end of line AM4. I keep my systems in use for a long time, so arguably the cost over 8 or more years isn't a deal breaker. The reliability may be. AMD and Intel are now selling what amount to overclocked chips, so they come with a propensity for failure that would have been considered unacceptable and probably still should be.
If you need some big upgrade there's not point to go am4 anymore, it's a completely done platform. I'm on am4 with a 5900x though and it's nice to see the performance isn't insanely different, I'm likley gonna wait out the platform swap for a decent while yet till the price goes way down.
im running a 3600x, 1070ti ftw2 on a Asus Crosshair Hero VIII x570 and planning to buy a 4090 and run it at 1440p with the 3600x for 6-7months and after upgrade mobo ram cpu to zen5 this winter OR just wait everything up, buy a Zen5 system completly new with the 5090 about to be released ...
Right now it's pretty simple. If you're already on AM4, the 5800X3D is the obvious choice. If you're not, there's no reason to go with AM4 anymore as the price difference isn't that huge anymore unless you buy everything used.
It's only the "obvious choice" if all you plan on doing with your computer (especially multitasking) is gaming, once you start doing anything else you'll soon wish you had a cpu with more cores and/or compute. I myself went with the 5950x and 32GB of tuned Samsung b-die ram which gives me best of both worlds, almost as much gaming grunt as the 5800x3d in the games were memory maters and even more gaming grunt when memory don't matter, gobs of compute and cores for almost everything other then gaming and multitasking capability for days. So yeah I sure wish I got that x3d chip so I could get that extra 10fps in a handful of games and being able to do mostly nothing else but gaming. Then again I always mess up my buying decisions by doing my research and due diligence rather then listening to CZcamsrs that just talk about popular trends, stupid me. :(
@@Oceanborn712 @Oceanborn712 Saying your so called "obvious choice" isn't actually so obvious as you think. If people just put in that extra little bit of work would have a whole lot more rounded system. The maybe 5% performance you'd lose in only some games would be out weighed by not only the performance you'd gain in most remaining games but all the compute performance you'd gain in everything else you can do with a PC.
@@randysalsman6992 lose performance? Dude, this is about comparing two specific processors. Nobody cares about your 5950X when the question is 5800X3D or 7800X3D. Your use case doesn't matter, it's not part of the question.
@@Oceanborn712 That's the problem, no body who knows how to tune their system should get those wishy washy x3d chips. They're really only for the people who don't want to put in an ounce of effort into their PC.
I have both, the jump is very noticeable, but the 5800X3D is already a pretty high point of reference and is an absolute beast imo. I paired them with 3080 and 4080 respectively.
The GPU was the limiting factor, so the test was invalid. example: In the graphics that the 7800x3d won, the consumption was higher. in the graphs where consumption was close, the impact was smaller, indicating that it had limited strength.
Such a hard decision... I'm on AM4 with R5 3600 and 1660S gaming at native 1440p with G-Sync and looking to upgrade my GPU to 4080S. While 5800X3D would probably be enough for a couple years, 7800X3D is basically a legend already. But maybe 5800X3D would make more sense for now. I can always upgrade again later. I don't want to get rid of my motherboard yet as it wasn't cheap. X570 Tomahawk Wifi. I bought it with that in mind so I could upgrade later. Not abandon the platform. Guess I answered my own question :P
@@alexsiniov If it's significantly better in gaming than 5800X3D then maybe. (Which I doubt it is) The extra cores don't help in that. But they are useful in other tasks. Things that I don't really do. But I'll surely keep my eyes on those too. Not in a hurry to upgrade, though. But the longer I wait the more it makes sense to switch the platform.
@@Thunderhawk51 If you don't switch your monitor, I doubt there will be a need to upgrade, except video card maybe for 120+ HZ 4K 120 FPS in 4K with ultra will definitely need more than 8 cores.
I bought it for 300€ and replaced my 5600g (basically same performance as yours). I just dont know if it runs out of stock if I would have waited too long and I dont wanna buy used :)
Thank you so much for making this video, I'm interested in VR with flight and combat sims and I'm in exactly this position and questioning which direction to go in. You highlight that there is very little between these two CPU's at 4k which is what I thought might be the case. My current system which i built in 2019 is X570 Aorus (AM4) with a 3600 CPU, 2070 super and 32GB of DDR4 and I built it for 1440 simming works very well but I really fancy going 4k VR. My dilemma is do I upgrade CPU to 5800X3D and go with a lesser card like a 4070ti maybe which would give me a good, less expensive upgrade to get me into VR or do I build a high end gaming rig from scratch plus a 4090 and I'm leaning toward the former. Maybe up the RAM to 64 Gig as well. PCVR isn't quite there yet so this is probably my best option currently. My inner demon tho is thinking that throwing more money as a compromise at my existing system is money I could put toward a high end build thus putting that inevitable build on hold for longer. Anyway, very informative video and thanks again.
There is absolutely no reason to get more than 32gb ram for gaming, not much of a reason in getting more than 16gb tbh. In some games you get better 1% or 0.1% lows with 32gb memory compared to 16gb with 0 improvement when going above. High resolution VR gaming is massively bottlenecked by gpu not cpu, so no point in buying 7800X3D. Honestly you will get excellent performance if you just buy the 5600 and 4070 ti. 5800x3d is overkill on 4k resolution with 4070 ti imo.
@@tottorookokkoroo5318 Thanks. I've been researching 40 series cards and the 4070 ti doesn't look good value tbh. I'd like a 4090 but the cost is horrendous and I doubt my current set up will do the job, hence looking at lesser cards.
@@garypowell1854 Its worth checking out 6900 xt, 6950xt, 7900 xt and xtx too. Used 3080 are going for competitive prices as well and all of them should come with a warranty. What vr set are you planning on playing with? With the highest resolution vr sets, maxed out settings even 4090 might not be enough to max out the framerate.
Go 5800x3D and 4090. You're only potentially losing on the 5800x3D in the future. 4090 is the only card worth buying for 4k flight simming, it's not cheap, but good value. 4090FE is £1520 at mo, other cards aren't any faster. No harm going 64GB ram either. Exactly what I've done for DCS.
@@thelmaviaduct about 4 weeks ago I bought a 5800X3D, a deepcool AK 400 CPU cooler, a 4090 FE and a Corsair RM100x 1000W 80+ gold ATX 3.0 power supply. I also bought a Corsair 500D RGB case in black plus a load of extra fans and fan hubs. Still got my X570 aorus motherboard and 32 gb DDR4 RAM. It's now superb on IL2. Flying a MK Vb Spitfire with a Reverb G2 headset and everything on full except the grass I'm getting 91FPS and its as smooth as. I'd recommend a 4090 to anyone going high res VR fir flight or combat sims.
CPU's seem to have a longer Use life compared to GPU's I didn't upgrade from my 1600X until the 5800X3D came out. So I'll wait until the Ryzen 8000 or 9000 series comes out as I game at 4K & 1440p and there is not much of a significant performance boost there for me to even consider the upgrade other than the Faster RAM speeds of DDR5 but I don't think even that will have a big noticable difference for me just yet.
Nowhere else to go with the 5800X3D is true, but looking how it's really no bottleneck for even the RTX 4090 it will last for many, many more years for normal people who buys mid range to high end GPUs. And this is 2024, 1 year after the video was made. RTX 4090 is still the fastest card. But the price difference between AM4 and AM5 are not as big anymore, but AM5 is still quite a bit more expensive. Money that can be put into a better GPU. I'm pretty sure I can game fine with my 5700X3D 5 years from now. Currently sitting on a RX 7800 XT graphics card. Which will last me for years. And even after 3 or 4 years, I know my CPU has the headroom to go up to todays RTX 4090 levels of performance. It will take many years before mid/higher range GPUs reach the lvl of todays top end RTX 4090.
25/10/23 - on eBay I find: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2GHz - 100-100000910WOF -£384.99 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz - 100-100000651WOF - £295.99 If the difference is £80, (possibly less if I shop around), then you go for the 7800X3D ???????
I build a new 7900x with 4090 but I still use often my older build 5800x with 4080 and now with 3070 and it’s been golden there isn’t much of difference in games even regular 5800x is totally fine and will be for at least 2 more years if not longer for the price it’s killer deal
As an owner of both generations of X3D CPUs being the 5800X3D (gaming build) and 7950X3D (gaming and production build)….. I’m very happy 😆with both pc rigs performance! The problem for AMD atm with the 7000X3D is the 5000X3D lineup for users. AMD generally has more budget focused gamer buyers whereas Intel has buyers all over the field and offers more cores for the $$$ which i feel is hurting AMDs current lineup of 7000 series. I feel thou the recent AM5 board and ddr5 price drops will start to influence some buyers to upgrade or bypass AM4.
928fps in CSGO?! Do you remember when we had issues with the smokes in CS 1.5, 800x600? 30fps and you were a happy gamer.
for real !!! the years when we didnt even know wtf is fps and pings !! and for ever happy
I can see myself skipping am5 all together that is how good the 5800x3d is
I can see myself skipping the next 3-4 gens with the 5800x3D, that's how good it is, could change in the future but still pretty satisfied with it so far at 4K.
what gpu are you guys rocking? Asking cause I have a 5800X and thinking of stay on am4 and upgrade cpu or whome shizzle ma nizzle right now a 3080 inside and my fingers are itching to buy a 7900XTX.... opions beside money?
@@WarumWiesoWeshalb Hi mate, sorry for the late response, I'm rocking an RTX 4080, playing at 4K allows the CPU load be minimized and having AT LEAST an 8-core CPU of the latest generations is enough. GPU-wise, if your aim is stable 165Hz at 1440p or 120Hz-144Hz at 4K, I'd recommend either the 7900XTX or RTX 4080, also note that both FSR and DLSS are getting a new version soon allowing for more fidelity and performance so you can be good with a more affordable option for a while longer.
you are aware that there likely be a 8000 and a 9000 series at am5 right? you have no idea how those will perform
Wrong lol
I just love how the 5800X3D still is a monster even without ddr5 rams.
So glad I bought mine on first release.
Waiting at least to AM6 before upgrading it. Went from a 3600X + 3070 to 5800X3D + 4080 and couldn’t be more happier playing at 1440p
Sad and bad decision ,, never mind
DDr5 offers very small generational increased performance or noticeable difference. It exists sure, so does the 7800x3d over the 5800x3d but its hardly enough to justify, anything like making that kind of investment in the upgrade. Clever man! Take a golden star, grab yourself an Apple and invest in a RTX 4080... nicely done! 🖖
@@mrhassell < Absolute cow droppings. The 7800X3D is SUBSTANTIALLY better than the over rated and WAY over priced 5800X3D ,,, Don't waste your money on old over-rated crap when you can get far better for just a few dollars more
@@tilapiadave3234 If you have an AM4 platform, it makes no sense. There's not that much of an improvement that justifies the cost. Its a bad economic choice, its perfectly fine as an emotional one. If you make financial decisions, based on feelings, stay positive.. as its the only thing that matters. If you work with logic, then your idea is illogical Jim.
@@tilapiadave3234buddy am5 all together is more expensive than am4. saying it’s a few extra dollars more when you also have to buy a motherboard and ram ontop of the upgrade is crazy.
I'll wait for the 8800X3D and for faster DDR5 RAM combatibility before I upgrade my 5800X3D.
i think you dont need to upgrade in the next 5 years. it is fast enough.
You don't needed upgrade Ryzen R7 5800X3d, because is this legendary CPU. 🎉🎉🎉
@retakleksum111 already got the Ryzen 7800x3d. I think I am good until AM5 platform becomes a mature platform and nearing end of its life cycle. Upgrading then will make more sense.
Same plan. This could works fine with my 6900xt and give me smooth 90fps at 1440p. When I see it struggling with next generation UE 5.2 games I might upgrade. But so far so good.
@jeffrey1296so its also CPU compute heavy?
Thanks for the review. That is handy information.
Not sure if possible, but it would be equally helpful to have a "updates per second" benchmark. For specific games, increasing FPS doesn't improve the quality of the game experience. It's more like, "How much stuff can you have going on at once?". Examples of such games are HOI4, EU4, Stellaris, Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Civ 5/6, etc... Late game, some of the Paradox games mentioned become slide shows (while FPS is >60) because the CPU has to update the state of so many units on the map.
Thanks for the video - interesting results.
I do wish that more reviews of the 7/5800x3D covered performance in games like Tarkov, Warzone and WoW, etc. It's in cases like those that the CPUs really shine given the expanded cache.
Love a comment like this. Ive had people arguing with me that something like a 3600 or 5600x delivers the same fps as the 5800X3D. Just because you're plying Tarkov at 90 or 120 frames a second doesn't mean the game is running at a smooth pace. The 3D cache and those extra cores is so important for a fluid general experience
@@Ladioz I went from a 3600 to a 5800x3d in tarkov and it basically doubled my fps 🤣
@@hana2634 Awesome! It's a beast of a cpu
I play warzone. I upgraded to 4070ti with a 5900x and it would not use 100% of my gpu. at 1440p with everything ultra and dlss off, I would get 115-140ish fps, after upgrading to am5 7800x3d it would now use all my gpu in all games. Warzone never goes below my 144 cap. Resident evil 4, Last of Us both now use 100% gpu where as before, they would only use 70-80%.
yeah lol, most advice on building pcs is centered around running cyberpunk on 4k with RT. im running a 7800x3d with a 306012gb and the games/settings i play im still cpu limited
I'm using the 5800X3D paired with a 6900 XT and love it. I was determined to hold off on jumping to AM5 until I have to. I started Ryzen all the way back with the 1700X and kept upgrading seamlessly.This confirms that choice for me yet again.
I just bought the 5800X3D and a 6800 XT yesterday to replace my Ryzen 7 3700X and GTX 1080ti. Should be great.
Upgrading my 5600g for a 5800X3D, wish me luck!
Am5 still unstable and many problem. just stick with Am4
I hope I can skip AM5. Still happy with my 5800x. Started with a 2600x.
I'm almost in the same boat as you with an R7-5800X3D and an RX 6800 XT. I also started with ryzen by getting an R7-1700.
Decided to upgrade my 3 year old AM4 system, replacing the 3800X with a 5800X3D. Felt like history was going to repeat in part and that AMD will need more time to improve AM5 stability. Given recent findings that looks like it was the right thing to do. Yeah i'll likely end up upgrading to AM5 in a year or 2, but that saving on not needing a new MB and RAM meant i could upgrade my GPU from a 2070 Super to a 6950XT
We have the exact same specs for your old pc. I’m thinking about upgrading aswell. Was it worth it
Am4 system then stick with am4
am4 will be stay for a long long long time !!! am looking to upgrade and i will go for high end am4 !!!
I bought a whole new system and went with the 5800x3D. It allowed me to go further on the GPU side on my budget
which gpu? i'll make the same choice and go for 4080 or 4070ti.
@@joejoe5921 This is exactly where I was... I went for the 4080. If I pushed a AM5 I would need to settle for the 4070ti.
@@Quasmin yeah i think our money is well spent on 5800x3d + 4080 because the 4080 reaches 95-100% usage in most cases in 2k and 4k.
@@joejoe5921 4070ti is meh, 4080/4090 or 7900xt/x , i would try the xtx at that pricepoint because it gives you the most and its a normal size card.
5800x3d & 7900 xtx is the bees knees. With a 1440p 1ms 144hz IPS monitor.
As much as I'd love to see my own computer do 300fps in certain games. The more financially and mentally stable option, for me- would have to be the 5800X3D.
I still want to see more E-Sport Titles when it comes to CPU Benchmarks.
And I want to see them not only at High - Ultra Settings but Low and Medium too.
I would go for AM5 at this point. The current CPU's are just the first step for this platform. If you buy an AM4 system you'll be very limited towards future upgrades.
5950x3d :P
Sure. The 5800 X 3D is for those, who have good (fast) DDR IV RAM and maybe already an AM4 MOBO. Evenfor those, who have a bit cheaper AM4 board because of X 3D chips don't use that much of power, they only generate a bit more heat because of the 3D V-cache but also an A520/B450/X470/B550 board is good enough for it. Of course a 500 chip board is better supportwise but only from B550. ;) And I think, many people bought a 3000/4000 series chip with B550, or even a 2000 Seies with X570 and they can very well upgrade. Well, in older boards it is a bit more complex to upgrade because they do not support PCI-E 4.0. So if you use PCI-E 3.0 x 16 for the GPU, it is OK but if you use less than x16, then it is not so good.
@@Theworthsearcher 5800x3d is less sensitive to fast vs slower ram so I would say the 5800x3d is for people who want max performance without having to shell out for fast RAM.
Don't know what for I'd need anything else than a 5800X3D & RTX 4090 than gaming till 120FPS at 4k. I just don't need anything else!
@@Serandi1987 for only 275..!!!
The most sensible and relevant test I've seen on such matters. Hardware Unboxed just don't understand the 4090 4k testing rationale.
Please could you test DCS at 4k/4090 with both processors.
Ryzen 7 5800X3D is legendary CPU of the making CPU in the history. World first place. 😊😊😊
Going from a 5800x to a 7800x3d was very noticeable. I have a 4090 so wanted the best gaming cpu to go along with it. Was playing HZD at the time and i immediately noticed how much more consistent the frame times were. Game ran around 20fps higher but felt incredibly smooth and the 1 and .1% lows were far higher. No regrets and will definitely cop the 8800x3d whenever that releases (and a 5090 too lol)
Thanks for this. I was considering getting a 4080 + a 5800x, but after watching some videos and getting advice, I'm going to stay with my 3080 and get a 7800x3D + 32 GB 6000Mhz Ram instead.
You simply don't need a faster CPU than a 5800X3D with a RTX 4090 when playing at 4k only like me! I use it on my LG OLED C1 in 65 inches and my dream came true playing 4k up to 120 FPS at 120Hz ❤
@@Serandi1987i just ordered my first uhd 32" monitor. I run a 5800x3d, 4090 and 32gb ddr4. I'm about to order a 7800x3d + new MB and ddr5
May i ask about your oppinion? You're telling it's not worth spending the money for the upgrade?
@@Michelsen3K ok but you won't notice a difference at 4k gaming 🤔
@@Serandi1987 i checked some comparison videos. The difference is not worth the price. So i stay with 5800x3d and ddr4 at the moment. That enough for me. Tarkov is bugged right now. Memory issues i heard
I am sticking with my 5800x3d. DDR5 compatibility issues, am5 motherboard issues from all manufacturers and lack of pcie 5.0 nvme drivers is forcing my hand. Please everyone upgrade so you can pay to be a tester, then i can purchase a rock solid am5 board and 9800x3d two years from now.
Upgrading from the 5800X3D to the 7800X3D is not advisable anyway, but those RAM Issues and motherboard issues are way overblown. I haven't had a single problem until now.
Great review, thanks a lot! I’ll stick with AM4 for now till Ryzen comes out with the next gen AM5. Then I might build a whole new system.
One important thing to note, in the age of upscalers, is that if you're gaming at 4K and using something like DLSS or FSR 2, you're going to be running at 1440p or 1080p rendering resolutions, and if you're gaming at 1440p or 1080p, you're going to be gaming at even lower resolutions.
So you might be more likely to see some of these CPU differences than you might assume.
Also, side note, but it's actually kinda bizarre to see CPU performance differences that large at 1440p, and to see anything at 4K is absurd. I don't know if that speaks to the sheer power of the 4090, or to how CPU intensive modern games are.
I bought an X570 board in 2020. I bought 32 gigabytes of 3600 mhz DDR-4. I bought a 3700X and an R580. I upgraded the R-580 to an RX 6700 a while ago. Now it's time to just drop a $300 5800X3D in the socket and keep going for another 3-5 years. If I run the 5800X3D as long as I run the 3700X it'll be 2028 before I buy a motherboard. I could even upgrade my video card quite a bit before this chip bottlenecks. I've been waiting to find one for less than $300. I paid $309. I'll receive it tomorrow. I hope a Peerless Assassin 120 will keep it cool because that's what I ordered to go with it.
If you have a good AM4 board and especially an X570 this is a chance to stay relevant for a few more years without starting total over. I'll build eventually but my board and ram are only 4 years old. I love that I can pull a major upgrade without changing everything, not even a windows install involved. I've updated the bios but before I install the new chip I'll have to go turn off all boosts and overclocks because this chip isn't going to like it. I'm like a little kid on Christmas Eve here. I can't wait to play.
I have a 4090 and a 5800X3D. I obviously game at 4K exclusively. I feel that sure in some games having a 7800X3D I can gain some frames. But to right now then upgrade, RAM, Mobo and CPU is not really worth it for average of 4% more frames. Sure some games could be 15%, but I might not even play those. Then you have games with "frame generation" that eliminates any CPU bottleneck anyway. I feel I am better off "suffering" for another year until 8800X3D comes out and upgrade then for a likely far more substantial increase. Or go for "Arrow Lake".
Same situation as you, 5800X3D at 4K doesn't change much from 7800X3D - I will last this pc for a long while
I was tempted to upgrade to am5 and get the 7800x3d but seeing a lot of game benchmarks for 1440p and 4k the gain isn't much worth it from my current build of 5800x3d, 32gb ram and 4090. I'm happy to wait until am6 or later as I think the 5800x3d will be very good for at least 2 generations from now imo.
I bought the 7800x3d honestly do not regret it all doesn’t matter what gpu u have it carry’s hard
Thanks for including the temp charts. I was worried my cooler was no longer doing it's thing, but it turns out the 5800X3D is just a warm boi
Make sure you undervolt with pbo! Most of these chips are binned to be good enough to achieve a -30 core optimiser offset on all cores which in my case took my max temps on cinebench loops from 87c to the high 60s. Lots of good guides on CZcams, my bad if you already knew this 👍
My old Intel motherboard died recently so I was forced to upgrade, and in the end I went for the 7800X3D, with the logic being that it would be more future-proofed and not require me to do as many incremental upgrades, but the option to upgrade is available because of how new AM5 is means there will still be new CPU's released for a few years if I need to upgrade. Intel was basically a non-option this generation, same dead-end issue that AM4 has, and they suck up so much power and so much heat that I would need to spend more on cooling and energy bills too.
I'm willing to swap out a lot of parts, but I consider changing motherboards to be a bit of a hassle, so the desire to avoid that was also a deciding factor.
You can just limit intel to 165W, makes no difference in gaming
I bought the 5800X3D for 298 Euros for my birthday 3 months ago. I dont think ill upgrade again before AM6 platform is out
Yep, that's my plan too. Waiting until I actually play a game from the last 5 years (still need to finish KOTOR2, Fallout 4), but then yeah, 5800x3d upgrade
You simply don't need a faster CPU than a 5800X3D with a RTX 4090 when playing at 4k only like me! I use it on my LG OLED C1 in 65 inches and my dream came true playing 4k up to 120 FPS at 120Hz ❤
I needed this video right now. Upgraded to a 4080, I play in 1440p , I can get the 5800x3d for $360 CAD . Compared to the $1000 to get into a 7800 the performance gain just isn't there. I'll be picking up the 5800x3d and waiting for the next gen.
I'll wait for next ryzen, currently on AM4 / 5xxx and don't feel the need for new platform.
Thanks for this well done comparison of these 2 very capable AMD CPU's. I would probably take this to mean that if you currently have an AM4 setup get the Ryzen 7 5800X3D and If your building a new AM5 system go with the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. Having both of these very nice options should give most a nice option of which to go with.
EVEN FOR A NEW BUILD...,AM5 x2 price.. BTW,upgrade path is little bit of a trap and,generally, NEVER buy a new released products just for future proof excuse because doesn;t exist such thing , see b550 vs older b350 which can run 5800x3d but missing many features and loosing cash for each cpu upgrade..
The PC market is so fantastic today... seems like there if no wrong answer.
I upgraded my 3900x recently to 5800x3d paired to 6900xt both water cooled, lost some performance in workstation workloads, but free 20% more gaming performance on same platform with zero investment was a no brainer.
Im gaming at 1200p, so 5800x3d for me
After watching this video and about 4 weeks ago I bought a 5800X3D, a deepcool AK 400 CPU cooler, a 4090 FE and a Corsair RM100x 1000W 80+ gold ATX 3.0 power supply. I also bought a Corsair 500D RGB case in black plus a load of extra fans and fan hubs. Still got my X570 aorus motherboard and 32 gb DDR4 RAM.
It's now superb on IL2 and very quiet and stays cool. Flying a MK Vb Spitfire with a Reverb G2 headset and everything on full except the grass I'm getting 91FPS and its as smooth as.
My old 2070 got so unbelievably hot I feared a fire.
I'd highly recommend a 4090 to anyone going high res VR for flight or combat sims, yes they are horrendously expensive but you will not be disappointed.
I think another point that most CZcamsr's don't say is: you don't need more than your monitor's refresh rate!
im happy with 5800x3d and 7900xtx
this is the true
I'd be curious for VR benchmark or multiscreen for Simracing and Flight Sim games. Focused on 0.1% lows too.
That's the real benefit I've seen from these CPU (and big differenciator, I hear). MMOs too, but... go Benchmarks those! 😅
My micro center has a $300 deal for the 5800X3D and a $470 deal for the 7800X3D so Im thinking save the extra $170 for a better GPU and just use the 5800X3D.
My current rig has an 8700k i7. Just spent about $600 for upgrading to a 7800x3d. Figure if am5 sticks around as long as am5 did, it's a solid investment.
In my opinion you made one error. You did not include the cost of AM5 motherboard and DDR5 price in the final calculation. Because no one buys 5800X3D unless someone already have AM4 platform from previous build. So the only cost per frame is the new CPU. While for AM5, you must pay for everything, not CPU only.
And, what is also important, I do not think many people will use X570 - so the latest motherboard - with 5800X3. I believe most people upgrade old systems.
I myself upgraded from B350 + Ryzen 1600 to 5800X3D on my old B350 motherboard.
For such people, 7800X3D is totally irrelevant, as the saving from using 1st gen motherboard with latest & fastest AM4 gaming CPU are even higher. So in summmary, you can have like 80-150% better gaming performance on AM4 with only switching CPUs, while you would need spend 2.5-3x that amount on AM5 for additional 15-20% more performance. 7800X3D makes sense only if you buy new platform, if you already have AM4 then AM5 is totally irrelevant and I think most people with 5800X3D will simply wait for AM5 successor and then switch whole platforms.
Always sensible and clear advice. According to AMD, AM5 is only supported for another 12 months anyway
What you dont see is that 1080p results shows the longevity of your CPU. You may be GPU bottlenecked now at 4K but after 2 3 years this will change as new games push your CPU harder. Again, 20 percent at 1080p is not a huge difference and doesnt justify the cost of 7800x3d especially if you already have an AM4 platform.
Eh, you don't even have to look far into the future. For 4X gamers like me, the results are already there. I play games not bottlenecked by my GPU and can already see the uplift over the 5800X3D.
This is true. But most of us already on a 5800X3D is likely better off upgrading to 8800X3D or Arrow Lake instead of changing whole platform from AM4 to AM5 and only gaining an average of 4% at 4K. Better to just wait until next generation.
I upgraded from a 1600 AF to a 5600 to a 5800x3D, added a 6950 XT and I am pretty happy at 1440p. Meanwhile my 9 year old gets to enjoy my old Nitro+ 5700 XT. I'm good until I get the build bug again.
I have a 5600 paired with a 7900xt. It does the job very well since i'm limited to 120fps on my LG C1. I think about upgrading to a 5800x3d to give it more legs long term since the appeal of a new mobo/ram/cpu/cooler combo is not very sexy on the still immature AM5 platform.
AM5 is plenty mature. If you're already on AM4 it makes sense to stay there. Building new, makes no sense to not go AM5.
@@farmeunit Nice joke.. "just" double the price for a new AM5 rig vs a new AM4+5800x3d and triple just for cpu upgrade and when 5800x3d life is finished you ended to spend a lot more for AM5 "upgrade" path..
@@torukmahtomahto409 In US, They are the same price... Lol. No point buying old platform. Not sure where your double /triple come from....
@@farmeunit 5800x3d paid just 275 euro last month, paired with x470 Ch VII...even in US was 265 dollars, so what we are talking ??
@@torukmahtomahto409 Depends. 7700 equals the 5800X3D in majority of applications and is $275. Which is really irrelevant because I said if have AM4 already get AM4. So back to new, the processor is the same price. The 7700X is overall faster than the 5800X3D except for a handful of cache sensitive games. It's $300. The board I have cost $200 new. The X570 I have also cost $200 new. So no difference. I got free RAM from MicroCenter. So zero. Even if I paid for it, it is $100 for 32GB. So it would cost about $30 more for a better platform which can be upgraded just like people are doing now with the 5800X3D two years from now. So in short, if you get free RAM, it's actually cheaper to get AM5. If not, $30 more. Not to mention bundle discounts available at some locations.
I’ve been racking my brain trying to decide if it’s worth it to go for the whole am5 setup. This video clinches it. I have a 5900x and 4090 and have an oled 120hz tv I use and so it doesn’t matter if anything can go over 120fps, it will be no good to me. The only games I’ve seen where the FPS is slightly significant are MSFS and Hogwarts which I don’t play. Alan wake 2 which I do play is exactly the same fps on both. It is totally not worth buying a whole new pc. Upgrading to 5800x3d. THANKS for the help!
Just throw in a 5800x3d, late to the party but was a huge jump in performance from my 5800x paired with a 7800xt at 1080p. its getting 240fps in most every game I play now and couldn’t be happier with the setup. The 7800x3d is a great chip but I’ll be on am4 with the 5800x3d for a good while forsure
something to note, alot of ppl are using LG Oleds as 4k displays now and they are capped at 120hz, so while we see many games run above this many ppl will never get to see those frames.
I even limit often games, to save energy and heat ^^ my room can get hot ^^ and gaming in 26-29 deg. is not fun.
I bought an open box 5800X3D for $263 to replace my 5900X. I owned it for a month before I realized it would cost me about $40 to go to the 7600x/x670 Aorus Elite AX/32gb 6000mt CL30 Trident Z5 Neo. Sold the cpu/board and ram and ended up spending less out of pocket. Then I found a brand new sealed 7800X3D for $340 locally. Then a month later found another new 7800X3D for $260. And then a B650e-e Asus ROG Strix / 7600x for $240. So both Media PC's have 7600x and my PC and my Son's now has 7800X3D. I just can't pass up selling off old hardware when the price is right.
Sure native 4k is almost entirely GPU bound, but what about 4K using DLSS Quality? IMO, you guys should include that in future tests as it's a pretty realistic use case (even with a 4090) and would likely show a much wider gulf in performance.
because they are testing the cpus not gpu's dlss is a feature of the gpu im guessing.
@@azerogames DLSS (and all upscalers) render at a lower internal resolution. 4K DLSS Quality, for example, renders at 1440p. And as we've seen here, there is around a 15-20% performance delta with the GPU bottleneck removed.
Considering DLSS Q often looks as good or better than native, it's worth considering.
@@ThisAintPizzaHut445 DLSS Q still has shimmering and HUD problems in F1 2021/2022 as well as MS Flight Sim (to name a few), so, no it doesn't look better than native. I should know, I play my 4080 and don't use DLSS because of that.
@@pkpnyt4711 It's not *perfect* no, but neither is native. HUB did a pretty extensive comparison across several games and found it = or better than native in most.
I quite happily use 4K DLSS Q in every game that has the option.
@@ThisAintPizzaHut445 in the testing, it was equal or better than native most of the time at 1080p (some games in native looked a bit more washed out), but people with 4080s and 4090s play at high refresh 1440p and 4k. At these resolutions High Q DLSS is not better specially at 4k. People who say otherwise, are just willing to sacrifice fidelity/quality for more FPS (specialty for fast paced games).
ARGHHHH! I am so stuck now - AM4 system would be about 9.9 k Danish crowns for me ( about 1500 dollar ) without GPU. AM5 system is 1750 dollar so not a huuuuge difference - so now I am just completely stuck - darnit!!!!
Better to get a 7600-7700 for around the same package cost, and have an upgrade path with similar performance to 5800x3d.. unless you're already on am4 obviously
I'm on a 5600x and was considering going to the 5800x3d but it didn't seem worth it for the cost so thought of the 7800x3d and a new motherboard and ram but watching this it's still not worth it. I think upgrading my 3070 is the best bet even with bottlenecks and waiting until the prices drop for an am5 setup.
What if the gpu was not 4090Ti? , if it was 4060 or 4060Ti would it make the same diffirence or both cpus gave the same scores and both equal scores?
Currently sitting on an AM4 board with a 3900x. Definitely debating on whether or not the 5800x3d is a big enough upgrade to keep the rest of my rig going another couple of years, until it’s time to build a whole new setup. Or if I should just build a whole new rig early next year. While the conclusion here is not really helpful, the video itself does give me more info to work with to make a decision soon.
When your already on am4 i would say it is worth it!
from a 3600 and a 5700xt, instead of going to AM5, I upgraded to a 5800x3d and a 4090. best upgrade ever since the extra money going to AM5 was used to upgrade to a 4k OLED TV
got the 5800x3d with a 4080 and love it
i can't upgrade from am4 to am5 because vendors not want me to upgrade, just look at the prices on motherboards and ddr5 in some countries outside US
So straight forward review I like it
You can always have Both.
i am running a 5700X , it is a very good cpu specialy if you cool it with a liquid freezer ii 360 xD
Would it just be worth it to wait for the ryzen 8000 series with a Pci-e gen 5 and ddr6 ram/MB
the 5800x3D draws 500W and upwards ?? I'd need to fit a new PSU to upgrade my 3700x. Damn.
I have the 2700x and wanted to upgrade, but changing to am5 with ddr5 and change motherboard, CPU and RAM is a lot. I'll wait for the 8800X3D for the AM5 upgrade.
Btw I wanted to take the rx7800 xt but I'll see when the next CPU if there is a new gpu as well.
If I stick to AM4 and take the Ryzen 7 5800X3D it will be difficult to upgrade later.
5800x3D if you have AM4 now. If you are jumping into AM5 7800x3D. Their performance is amazing for both and very comparable.
Don’t let FOMO take your $$$ if you have AM4 get the 5800x3D. Other than on a graph, you wouldn’t notice any difference between the two in real world use cases.
I got a 7800x3d and 4090 with a 1440p monitor. The price difference in AUS is like $90, so I just went with the 7800x3d.
i love my 13600K🩵 + rtx 4080 combo, stick to it till arrow lake
Superb comparison. Glad you pointed out the real world issue regarding testing high end CPUs with high end GPUs at 1080p. That may be theoretically a better benchmarking test of the CPU, but it's unrealistic. On the CPU upgrade path, I'm still undecided. I'm moving up from AM3+ and an fx CPU, so for me it's whole new system territory. But AM5 has been problematic and even with recent price adjustments, it's still expensive and hasn't even tracked the price adjustments for end of line AM4. I keep my systems in use for a long time, so arguably the cost over 8 or more years isn't a deal breaker. The reliability may be. AMD and Intel are now selling what amount to overclocked chips, so they come with a propensity for failure that would have been considered unacceptable and probably still should be.
If you need some big upgrade there's not point to go am4 anymore, it's a completely done platform. I'm on am4 with a 5900x though and it's nice to see the performance isn't insanely different, I'm likley gonna wait out the platform swap for a decent while yet till the price goes way down.
The GPU is the bottleneck at higher resolutions, only the 1080p tests are valid cpu scores.
What cooler did you use for the temp test?
Wich gpu was the best with 5800x3d maybe 4080 super ?
Please do a comparison between those 2 to for 1% lows for Dota 2!
im running a 3600x, 1070ti ftw2 on a Asus Crosshair Hero VIII x570 and planning to buy a 4090 and run it at 1440p with the 3600x for 6-7months and after upgrade mobo ram cpu to zen5 this winter OR just wait everything up, buy a Zen5 system completly new with the 5090 about to be released ...
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Should I get the 7800x3d if it’s 100$ more expensive than the other one?
Just got the 7800 such a massive upgrade
As a 1440P gamer I'm not upgrading until the next, next gen! Hopefully I can find a 7900xtx on sale in the next few months!
Hi. I just found one open box $749 powercolor red devil rx 7900 xtx
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using 5800X3D + 6800XT, watercooled,
huge upgrade from 3600 and 2060
On amazon right now the price is within 50 USD
5800x3D is actually an insane chip .
Right now it's pretty simple. If you're already on AM4, the 5800X3D is the obvious choice. If you're not, there's no reason to go with AM4 anymore as the price difference isn't that huge anymore unless you buy everything used.
It's only the "obvious choice" if all you plan on doing with your computer (especially multitasking) is gaming, once you start doing anything else you'll soon wish you had a cpu with more cores and/or compute. I myself went with the 5950x and 32GB of tuned Samsung b-die ram which gives me best of both worlds, almost as much gaming grunt as the 5800x3d in the games were memory maters and even more gaming grunt when memory don't matter, gobs of compute and cores for almost everything other then gaming and multitasking capability for days. So yeah I sure wish I got that x3d chip so I could get that extra 10fps in a handful of games and being able to do mostly nothing else but gaming. Then again I always mess up my buying decisions by doing my research and due diligence rather then listening to CZcamsrs that just talk about popular trends, stupid me. :(
@@randysalsman6992 no idea what you wrote such a wall of text here. It's about the decision between 5800X3D and 7800X3D. Of course it's about gaming.
@@Oceanborn712 @Oceanborn712 Saying your so called "obvious choice" isn't actually so obvious as you think. If people just put in that extra little bit of work would have a whole lot more rounded system. The maybe 5% performance you'd lose in only some games would be out weighed by not only the performance you'd gain in most remaining games but all the compute performance you'd gain in everything else you can do with a PC.
@@randysalsman6992 lose performance? Dude, this is about comparing two specific processors. Nobody cares about your 5950X when the question is 5800X3D or 7800X3D. Your use case doesn't matter, it's not part of the question.
@@Oceanborn712 That's the problem, no body who knows how to tune their system should get those wishy washy x3d chips. They're really only for the people who don't want to put in an ounce of effort into their PC.
Love my new 7800X3D ❤
I have both, the jump is very noticeable, but the 5800X3D is already a pretty high point of reference and is an absolute beast imo. I paired them with 3080 and 4080 respectively.
Hi. Are you experiencing any bottlenecks in your system between the rtx 4080 and ryzen 7 5800x3d
@@ruupj6481 They work fine
The GPU was the limiting factor, so the test was invalid.
example: In the graphics that the 7800x3d won, the consumption was higher. in the graphs where consumption was close, the impact was smaller, indicating that it had limited strength.
Such a hard decision... I'm on AM4 with R5 3600 and 1660S gaming at native 1440p with G-Sync and looking to upgrade my GPU to 4080S. While 5800X3D would probably be enough for a couple years, 7800X3D is basically a legend already. But maybe 5800X3D would make more sense for now. I can always upgrade again later. I don't want to get rid of my motherboard yet as it wasn't cheap. X570 Tomahawk Wifi. I bought it with that in mind so I could upgrade later. Not abandon the platform. Guess I answered my own question :P
or you can go 5950XT after it will be released. ~5.0+ghz clocking 16 cores with 96mb cache vs 8 cores 4.5ghz, power is power :)
@@alexsiniov If it's significantly better in gaming than 5800X3D then maybe. (Which I doubt it is) The extra cores don't help in that. But they are useful in other tasks. Things that I don't really do. But I'll surely keep my eyes on those too. Not in a hurry to upgrade, though. But the longer I wait the more it makes sense to switch the platform.
@@Thunderhawk51 If you don't switch your monitor, I doubt there will be a need to upgrade, except video card maybe for 120+ HZ 4K
120 FPS in 4K with ultra will definitely need more than 8 cores.
Waiting for 5800x3d to drop 200$ so i can upgrade my 3600😅
I bought it for 300€ and replaced my 5600g (basically same performance as yours). I just dont know if it runs out of stock if I would have waited too long and I dont wanna buy used :)
Haha like my friend also still using a 3600X & a 3080
Which one of them should i get if i have a 4070?
Waiting for next gen, maybe it would be worth upgrading.
most of you missing out dlss at 4k. than the gpu is rendering at 1440p / 1080p!
looks like minimal increase
Debating on a 5800x3d or Ryzen 7800x3d , Currently on a 2700x with a B450 and 2 x 16gb 3200mhz
Thank you so much for making this video, I'm interested in VR with flight and combat sims and I'm in exactly this position and questioning which direction to go in. You highlight that there is very little between these two CPU's at 4k which is what I thought might be the case.
My current system which i built in 2019 is X570 Aorus (AM4) with a 3600 CPU, 2070 super and 32GB of DDR4 and I built it for 1440 simming works very well but I really fancy going 4k VR.
My dilemma is do I upgrade CPU to 5800X3D and go with a lesser card like a 4070ti maybe which would give me a good, less expensive upgrade to get me into VR or do I build a high end gaming rig from scratch plus a 4090 and I'm leaning toward the former. Maybe up the RAM to 64 Gig as well.
PCVR isn't quite there yet so this is probably my best option currently.
My inner demon tho is thinking that throwing more money as a compromise at my existing system is money I could put toward a high end build thus putting that inevitable build on hold for longer.
Anyway, very informative video and thanks again.
There is absolutely no reason to get more than 32gb ram for gaming, not much of a reason in getting more than 16gb tbh. In some games you get better 1% or 0.1% lows with 32gb memory compared to 16gb with 0 improvement when going above. High resolution VR gaming is massively bottlenecked by gpu not cpu, so no point in buying 7800X3D. Honestly you will get excellent performance if you just buy the 5600 and 4070 ti. 5800x3d is overkill on 4k resolution with 4070 ti imo.
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Thanks. I've been researching 40 series cards and the 4070 ti doesn't look good value tbh.
I'd like a 4090 but the cost is horrendous and I doubt my current set up will do the job, hence looking at lesser cards.
@@garypowell1854 Its worth checking out 6900 xt, 6950xt, 7900 xt and xtx too. Used 3080 are going for competitive prices as well and all of them should come with a warranty. What vr set are you planning on playing with? With the highest resolution vr sets, maxed out settings even 4090 might not be enough to max out the framerate.
Go 5800x3D and 4090. You're only potentially losing on the 5800x3D in the future. 4090 is the only card worth buying for 4k flight simming, it's not cheap, but good value. 4090FE is £1520 at mo, other cards aren't any faster.
No harm going 64GB ram either. Exactly what I've done for DCS.
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about 4 weeks ago I bought a 5800X3D, a deepcool AK 400 CPU cooler, a 4090 FE and a Corsair RM100x 1000W 80+ gold ATX 3.0 power supply. I also bought a Corsair 500D RGB case in black plus a load of extra fans and fan hubs. Still got my X570 aorus motherboard and 32 gb DDR4 RAM.
It's now superb on IL2. Flying a MK Vb Spitfire with a Reverb G2 headset and everything on full except the grass I'm getting 91FPS and its as smooth as.
I'd recommend a 4090 to anyone going high res VR fir flight or combat sims.
CPU's seem to have a longer Use life compared to GPU's I didn't upgrade from my 1600X until the 5800X3D came out. So I'll wait until the Ryzen 8000 or 9000 series comes out as I game at 4K & 1440p and there is not much of a significant performance boost there for me to even consider the upgrade other than the Faster RAM speeds of DDR5 but I don't think even that will have a big noticable difference for me just yet.
Nowhere else to go with the 5800X3D is true, but looking how it's really no bottleneck for even the RTX 4090 it will last for many, many more years for normal people who buys mid range to high end GPUs. And this is 2024, 1 year after the video was made. RTX 4090 is still the fastest card. But the price difference between AM4 and AM5 are not as big anymore, but AM5 is still quite a bit more expensive. Money that can be put into a better GPU. I'm pretty sure I can game fine with my 5700X3D 5 years from now. Currently sitting on a RX 7800 XT graphics card. Which will last me for years. And even after 3 or 4 years, I know my CPU has the headroom to go up to todays RTX 4090 levels of performance. It will take many years before mid/higher range GPUs reach the lvl of todays top end RTX 4090.
25/10/23 - on eBay I find:
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2GHz - 100-100000910WOF -£384.99
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz - 100-100000651WOF - £295.99
If the difference is £80, (possibly less if I shop around), then you go for the 7800X3D ???????
Evolution, not revolution. Sticking to 5600 : )
I'm upgrading to a 7800x3d from a 3900x. This will be quite the buff lol
I build a new 7900x with 4090 but I still use often my older build 5800x with 4080 and now with 3070 and it’s been golden there isn’t much of difference in games even regular 5800x is totally fine and will be for at least 2 more years if not longer for the price it’s killer deal
If you are building new then obviously get the 7800x3d.
Keep in mind that you're going to be playing a lot of games at a lower resolution and then upscaling with DLSS or FSR.
As an owner of both generations of X3D CPUs being the 5800X3D (gaming build) and 7950X3D (gaming and production build)….. I’m very happy 😆with both pc rigs performance! The problem for AMD atm with the 7000X3D is the 5000X3D lineup for users. AMD generally has more budget focused gamer buyers whereas Intel has buyers all over the field and offers more cores for the $$$ which i feel is hurting AMDs current lineup of 7000 series. I feel thou the recent AM5 board and ddr5 price drops will start to influence some buyers to upgrade or bypass AM4.
Put your script material closer to your camera. Your eyes are clearly not looking at the audience.