It's already proven that we have alien DNA. 98% junk DNA isn't possible, it's just inactive, it was inactivated by malevolent extraterrestrial species. God created the universe (multiverse) and evolved extraterrestrial beings created the human race. Www.thegreaterpicture.com .
Refinery29 No resolve. For that specific issue there are no resolutions. Creation versus evolution seems to always be in an attempt to prove that God exists. But if we read closely in genesis we find that the Bible is explaining who we are to help us understand how to rule earth. It tells us that all these things were created before we got here. And then it gives us instruction on how to take care of the earth, and tells us how to populate the earth because the earth belongs to mankind. The Bible isn’t given with the intention of proving there’s a God, it’s given to us to teach us who we are and how to take care of what we have. And it tells us how changes are going to happen in the future. I respect your hard work and your research and your passion, but with all due respect I feel like creation vs evolution is such a waste of time
Refinery29 Realizing that taking the word of God at face value is a terrible disservice to the ultimate meaningful and in-depth answer He always teaches.
@@babyyodachelsea7034 There is bias in literally everything, including science. However, the difference between faith and science is that science is aware of these biases and considers them when interpreting findings (hence the "limitations" section in scientific literature). The only way to tackle bias is to develop insight and awareness, something inherently missing from most organized faiths but present in the scientific process.
My grandfather was a passionate Catholic and a physics and astronomy professor. There was never a conflict between science and religion for him, and I listened to many lectures of just how much sense could be made by putting the two together.
My grandma was a very passionate Catholic but if my dad and his brother came home and were like “evolution wasn’t a thing”, boy oh boy that would have been a time.
P.S. I was raised Catholic; I know exactly what they do and what they believe. Most is so far removed from Scripture that it is not recognizable as Biblical Christianity.
I really enjoyed this piece. I am a Christian and I was hesitant to watch this video because I thought it would be attacking my faith. I couldn't have been more wrong. Grace was thoughtful, respectful and asked really good questions. This is by far my favorite video on Refinery 29. Please let Grace do more interviews and address more controversial topics.
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As a student of the New Message from God as received by Marshall Vian Summers, I'm very open to discussing the negative effects of taking a pure religion or message and altering it or taking metaphors literally to create man-determined morality and rule. It's also important to be able to meet and talk to people who believe things we don't, because there's a chance a lot of people are well-intentioned yet confused, and it may teach us something about how beliefs develop based on preference and fear. Jesus didn't get to be recorded live, so I get that we've received primarily interpretation mixed with fear. Thankfully God has spoken again, through Marshall. It doesn't require belief-- don't take my word for it, but as this video reiterates: investigate for yourself.
I believe in God and that all good things are of God, and that includes science. I believe evolution should be taught in schools; it doesn't need to be something offensive to religious people. However, schools need to keep up on scientific discoveries. High schools have been teaching outdated material on evolution, when there have been so much more advances in that field of study.
If they teach about real time observed evolution in microorganisms, it would conflict even more with religious ideas. Maybe it isn't a good idea to conclusively support evolution.
Nateik I believe that if someone has firm faith that they won’t be easily swayed by something being taught in school. Listen to what your teacher says and study your faith. Use your critical thinking skills to draw your conclusions. At least that’s how feel
The last statement in the video is the absolute truth... We have to have these conversations comfortably and openly in order to engage and never to feel attacked
Whole hardheartedly agree with this comment! Smart, funny, insightful. I'm sharing this link with all my friends who are interested in the worlds religions.
Exactly !! I guess we are overthinking cause we want to leave the GOD of creation out of everything thus Gods guidebook ( the Bible ) collects dust on our shelves as we "overthink " !! Good point ! PS Read Romans 10; 9 and 10 where God tells mankind how to get to Heaven and ps it is free and easy !!
It is strange to me to see this phenomenon in the USA. I grew up in the Caribbean and our education is modeled after the British system. Even religious schools, like the Presbyterian high school I went to, taught evolution as STANDARD SCIENCE. There was no conflict. We had a religious assembly every morning and in Biology Class we were introduced to evolution. In Geography our geological curriculum was based on old earth, over 4 Billion years old. In World History, we started with pre-history and civilizations far older than when the Bible was written. The Bible was never taught as a history book or science book. It was taught as a spiritual and moral book to derive life lessons from. It seems the conflict with evolution, an old earth and a world history outside of the Biblical record only comes from the American Evangelical religions that sprung up in the 1800s. Pentecostal, Southern Baptist, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormon and Jehovah's Witnesses. Clearly, these particular sects have taken over your public schools.
I think this is happening because the USA is over run with a corrupt version of Christianity where everyone has to follow what the leader says and then people crack and come up with these crazy interpretations of the Bible and they wont except outside ideas because they think they've caught the system and that these people can overthrow with their new and great ideas
I agree ! It is so strange to see Gods name omitted from Americas public school system when the US Congress adopted " In God We Trust " to be Americas national motto in 1959 to be exact !!! Google that one !!
It's strange for us Americans as well that were taught exactly what you were taught. I can't speak for religious schools in NYC but evolution, ancient civilizations, pre-colonialized Indigenous societies + African civilizations in middle school (which is rare education), and prehistoric life were standard.
Not in my country dear, only those who qualify move on to the next level because education is free to university level. I think it's more about educational intelligence because being smart is something else. Smart is more in tune with being clever, you see you can be intelligent but not smart.
@@kamzamosweu2269 "...education is free to university level" ... the original comment was referring to the university level (college/high education). what does your comment mean if your country's higher education isnt free either
Yes, I know he probably didn't intend for it but when he said "I went to college; I'm no dummy", it sounded like he was saying people who didn't go to college are dummies.
I’m sorry to be so brunt, but you’re very wrong. To accept religion, you need to ignore certain parts of science. To accept science, you need to ignore certain parts of religion. It is possible to believe in a higher power and still in religion, but not in any organized belief system that exists in the world today
Roblox Gymnastics If you accept the creationism theory, you don’t accept science (Fully). If you believe in the Big Bang Theory or the theory of evolution, you don’t accept religion (fully). Both are mutually exclusive, you’re just too afraid to pit your conflicting ideals against each other so you just don’t think about it
Martín Mejía Your notions are black and white while most of the world is grey. It’s not either or and they aren’t in conflict. You’re thinking of absolutes.
"Evolution doesn't make sense" did you ever consider that it is too hard for you to understand? Why are humans so self centred that we think the universe is so simplistic we should all be able to understand how it works?
And when you present one of the simpler examples of evolution in action, creationists go, "THAT DOESN'T COUNT!" and throw out pseudo-terms like "micro-evolution" and "macro-evolution." Also, quantum theory doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not so arrogant as to believe that anything I don't get must be wrong.
Exactly !! I agree evolution makes no sense what soever and in fact it takes more faith to believe evolution than to believe in God the creator and his Word the Bible !!
God doesn't make sense either, and I say that as a Christian with all love and respect. God is so much greater than us that to say that we fully comprehend him would be both ridiculous and incredibly arrogant. Like many of the people in this video I believe in God and I accept evolution as factual. And I'm not willing to pretend that I fully understand either of them. If you accept only that which you fully comprehend then you're probably never going to accept much at all in this vast, confusing, ancient, often-invisible universe.
This Willie guy is making me like rage. Evolution doesn’t even attempt to explain the origin of life or the universe, only how it became the diversity of life we have today once it began. He’s talking about abiogenesis and theoretical astrophysics respectively. And his beef seemed to be that it didn’t bring God into the equation. That’s because science measures what we can observe and deduce about the physical world. Therefore, a supernatural, infalsifiable entity that cannot be observed or measured is not taken into account. So either he’s confused by what science is or he’s being disingenuous.
The problem is that if evolution is true then the bible is wrong. If the bible is wrong then it cant be God's word because God cant be wrong. This destroys the concept of christianity as a religion which is based on the bible.
@Cory. IKR? I was yelling at the screen that he's not even talking about one thing. He is essentially wondering why he goes to a medical checkup and learns nothing about veterinary medicine nor the care and feeding of reptiles. That creation museum is whacky. Saw a talk and great demo about reptiles by a creation museum guy. u He holds up an albino Burmese python and announced evolution can't explain it. Uh, yeah, it's a genetic issue, no problem. It wouldn't exist in the wild at that weight and length. It would already have been eaten.I cringe that Willie is a teacher. He's too confused to have critical thinking skills.
“Science and religion are not competitors. They are two languages trying to tell the same story. There’s room in this world for both.” - Robert Langdon (Origin by Dan Brown, 2017)
I get told all the time I can’t believe in both. But I don’t believe in organized religion. I am spiritual because I know about the energy in our bodies and around us. We are all one. Thank you for this video.
Love Grace, her wife and those adorable dogs!!! Grace's ability to ask difficult questions without ruffling feathers is flawless ❤ I personally don't believe in God/devil or heaven/hell but I respect others journeys and beliefs.
It's okay to believe that God's creations are so much more complex than those in the past understood. It's not that hard of a concept to wrap your head around. Science is the exploration of God's amazingness..not a fight against it.
Indeed and therefore science should be supported not these corrupt awful churches who take from poor through donations and use around 30% to pay for rape cases of catholic priests and the rest on Vatican's needs and provide little help for the poor given their staggering wealth. Church could house every homeless catholic worldwide if they desired. Jesus would be devastated to see how his idea to create a communal place of worship has became a corrupted business and that people who are in essence trying to reach him are going to a place were Satan operates.
"Evolution doesn't tell us the origins of life." Neither does the theory of gravity, or germ theory, or atomic theory, or the theory of relativity. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ABOUT! Evolution is about life diversifying. If you want any hypothesis or theories on the origins of life, we have several. Any or all of which could be true simultaneously for those that aren't mutually exclusive. Evolution and abiogenesis (the thing you're attempting not to reference dishonestly) have NOTHING to say about the existence or non-existence of deities, unicorns, pixies, etc. It is dishonest to assert otherwise. Here is a REMARKABLY simple thought exercise: Given that the definition of "omnipotence" means "all-powerful" and consequently means that if something is omnipotent that there is nothing that it cannot do, if you believe that there is a deity AND that that deity is omnipotent, why would you then assert that that deity CAN'T have done something? You are violating either the premise or the definition or both when you make such a claim. That man is either willfully dishonest or an idiot.
omg hahah your comment reminds me of a logic class that talked about relativism and divine command theory and yeah I totally agree with what your saying
Science isn't something you "believe in". This is a really important distinction that religious people don't seem to understand. Science is a collection of processes for going about understanding the world around us, verifying that what we think is true is actually true, and using that knowledge and understanding to create something useful out of it. We know things, we understand things, we AGREE to things to the extent that they've been proven. And there's no agenda, science isn't trying to prove anything specific, we just agree to what we understand and what the data shows, there's not a direction it wants to go because the process is about finding out what's actually true, whether we like it or not. There's no "belief". It's actual knowledge. That's why it's so much more satisfying, that's why it's so much more useful. If you think that the way to go about agreeing with things is simply to 'believe them' or not, then you could take anything on faith, anything at all. You and I don't argue about what 2+2 is, because we KNOW the answer, it's proven, over and over again, it's not an argument about opinions. You can just make things up in religion because it's just a bunch of opinions about things, and none of them seem to be true. People just say, oh I think this or that, but I've made no attempt to prove it, it's just my 'faith'. It's not a useful way to know if you're wrong or right. Saying you have faith basically acknowledges that you don't have any actual proof or reason for believing something, you just WANT to, and it's intellectually dishonest because it suggests that the thing you 'believe in' is UNKNOWABLE. That's the real subversion of religion. It suggests that the world is incomprehensible. So you might as well sing a song, eat a cracker, and wave your hands around because it's as good as any other way to somehow explain and control the way around you. But it doesn't work. It never has. Never will. Plus, your religion tells you that it's a virtue to be willfully ignorant. It's only by actually using reliable methods and investigating things that we've learned anything and used that knowledge to make a difference in the world. We've NEVER looked into anything and found out that 'god did it' was the answer. Nothing you see around you that we've learned, built, created, etc, was done using religion. In fact it's religion that's held us back for centuries from learning what we know now. The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner people can actually get an education and understand the true nature of the world around them. The world is a wonderful and amazing place already, there's no need to pile on magical fairy's as well, it's standing in the way of real progress. And if you're reading this and you're religious, the best thing you can do is go read your own religious texts and start asking questions; you'll probably become an atheist by the end of the process, because there aren't any answers there, those 'explanations' don't really answer the questions in any meaningful or useful way, and they haven't changed much in thousands of years and the people you think have them, don't. And you'll probably be shocked at what your religion wants you to do, and if you don't agree, it's because you're better than that and you don't need that sort of baggage. Grow up, move on, face the world. Life is beautiful.
"The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner people can actually get an education and understand the true nature of the world around them." Completely agree!
Geez if you are not going to "believe in science " as you put it why keep up with science or study it !! Heck better yet what parts of science can we not believe or throw out question mark !!! Now we have become over thinkers when the answer is simple ; God created the Heavens and the earth and man and animals and day and night etc ( the first book of the Bible ; Genesis ) !!
This does not make sense. I questioned my religion and I am still a Christian simply because there is historical evidence for my faith. You cannot ever get rid if religion it is not possible. Whilst science has answered a lot of questions for us, there are still more questions for instance what caused the beginning of the universe and how come it is fine tuned for the existence of life. These are philosophical questions and theist simply say God caused the beginning of the universe. Atheists say there is no God or they lack belief in the existence of a God but yet cannot answer what caused the beginning of the universe. As long as these questions about the beginning of the universe has not been answered then sorry but religion will always exist. Also religious people also have personal relationships with God so you cant just tell people to throw away that relationship.
@Jody Miranda Ok first of all the whole bible is a collection of different books. Some are myths and some are historical documents that have been confirmed by archaeology. It is not about believing the creation account but about believing in the existence of God because there are good philosophical reasons for Gods existence and also good historical evidence for the existence of Jesus, his death and resurrection. What you said is an oversimplification and ignorance of the what the bible actually is and how it was put together and the history behind it.
I've never believed there has to be a divide between religion and science, mainly because I got my love of science from the Catholic nun who taught my sixth grade class. She would get very enthusiastic when talking about evolution, saying how wonderful it was that god created such an intricate and ancient universe, and wasn't it amazing how it works? She loved everything about science and felt that anyone who refused to learn it was refusing to know and love god.
Grace, I've just binged all of your videos. In recovery from toxic Christianity right now... Was at a megachurch, intern for two years... and walked away. Had to delete social media because the thought of this election year and hearing the Christian jargon just triggered me into anger all over again. Love these videos. Thank you so much for helping define so much stuff I haven't been able to put to words myself.
I’m a Christian and I believe in creation by God in 6 literal days. I feel the need to apologize for this guy, but there’s no excuse for this cruelty. When I had goldfish, they had an aerated aquarium with proper grovel and plants and different objects to explore. They got regular food and also sometimes brine shrimp. I don’t understand his mentality at all, unless it’s a prop for this interview and he returns them to a proper habitat.
only in USA...I wanted to write more, but then I figured it only makes sense for a country that started the anti-vax movement, flat earth society, climate change deniers oh and pro-life. It seems to be the culture there, the freedom to an opinion is valued higher than decency and truth.
@@Lily_Sophia01 not true because countries such as Singapore well we have a diverse people too. However that means nothing it just depends on the leader and honesty of the country not because of diverse people
🍿 🙄... 🤔 Like it or not, science is part of our daily lives ... and has evolved civilizations of diverse cultures and religions ... Powder, paper, medicine, ect After his inspiration is divine or the simple fact of making things move in the right direction (for both is the most important) I do not stop at the idea that some people think that the earth is flat to consider them as full individuals on this planet, paradoxically there are things that happen that sometimes remains unexplained (like some questions), for example ... And especially when I observe this conversation for example, I realize that have returned to the political and non-religious or scientific ...
@@Lily_Sophia01 Europe has over 500 million and yet there are nowhere near the same amount of lunatic movements coming from here. Although I suppose we had our fair share a century or two ago.
I have always believed that God started the evolutionary process in the world but apparently according to some people I can't without making God angry.
Hannah - That's because you're making _them_ angry. Fundamentalism is largely about ducking responsibility for one's own preferences, emotional attachments, and hangups, by ascribing them to an external deity.
I think that's a layered conversation. In my family, science and Christianity are very much at odds in some ways. It took a long time for me to form my own relationship with God and accept that my beliefs may differ from some family members and those in my church. I don't think God is as simple as some would like to make Him out to be and I don't think everything there is to know/accept about Him begins at Genesis and ends at Revelation.
Humanity came up with religion to explain things they could not understand. We've slowly developed the tools to help us grasp some of the greater truths about our universe, but of course since we're imperfect and by no means all-knowing, there is still going to be an evolution (eh?) of our understanding of biology, physics, etc. Does not mean that the big magical man is real, just that we're not smart enough as a species to admit we don't know everything.
Liam Shimizu I grew up Baptist, so I’ve definitely been around people who take it literally. I’ve had to teach myself not to take everything in the Bible literally.
The bible is not meant to be taken literally. Some of it is and some of it isn't. The parables of Jesus are not literal. They are an illustrations to make a point.
Great video Grace. Your history has really allowed you to open these questions with sensitivity and _grace._ Cant wait to see what else you have in store.
I was a work study student at my local community college in the early 90's. I worked in the biology and anatomy labs. One of the main professors that I worked for was a female Methodist minister. She has a very interesting theory and personal understanding of science and religion being enmeshed together. I really enjoyed those 2 years of work study. Never did she push her religion on me. She was always open for discussion and intelligent debate. I miss her, and the labs. I would have loved for that to have turned into a real full time job. I consider myself atheist now but at the time I was still on the fence and considered myself to be agnostic. I learned a lot from my professor about compassion and being open minded. #Coexist ✌& 💖
09:39 "Your faith, your nationality, your gender, your race, these are who you are. Science is more about what you do." As a Christian who has always believed in evolution and interpreted "Creation" as a heritage myth in my religious community's collective memory, I say amen to that!
@Grace Susetyo It said in the Bible that sin entered the world through Adam and Eve eating the apple. So there would’ve been no death or suffering (which was caused by sin) before that time. If your theory of Gods days being millions of years were true, there would’ve HAD to have been death because plants and animals would’ve died during that time. So believing in evolution and being a christian isn’t possible because you would have to say that sin entered the world before Adam and Eve ate the fruit.
Grace, you are amazing! I had such a fun time filming with you. We talked for hours and I feel like we could talk many more. Much love & Godspeed, Willie
I loved our conversation Willie! Thank you so much for your time and sharing your perspective. If you ever want to grab coffee and ponder more deep questions - let me know!
Hi William ! Didn't read your book, but I have a few remarks and questions based on the interview : 1) you say evolution doesn't account for the transition of inert matter into living matter (a blurry line by the way when you consider the biodiversity of viruses which can evolve rapidly, but do not reach the criteria of being "alive"), not for the origin of the universe (which is a question for physicists). That's true, but that no scientist ever claimed that. Evolution can only take us as far back as a hypothetical RNA world. Scientists will continue to explore those questions using the scientific method (which always implies questioning what we think we know). 2) Your answer to those questions is to propose the existence of an unmoved mover. As a child who grew up in a multicultural household, Christians never did much to address the question of where God came from. When and how did he begin ? What was there before him ? Hinduism, which is a panentheist religion, seems to answer this question more elegantly by saying the nature of God is the universe (plus some) and God lives and breathes at the same rhythm as the infinite cycles of the universe. 3) Finally I have to call you out on your scepticism about evolution. I imagine if you were in the hospital septicaemia from MRSA (which I hope never happens to you or your loved ones), you wouldn't insist on having amoxicillin instead of the more adequate antibiotic, because you firmly believe microbes cannot evolve antibiotic resistance under pressure from an antibiotic rich environment. And yet you insist that shouldn't be taught in (public!!) schools. I hope you understand my criticism as firm but friendly. Have a nice day!
@@whychoooseausername4763 Hey there! Thank you for watching the interview and for commenting. :) No worries about not reading the book, let’s remedy that right now. Get the first three chapters free on my site: www.readysetquestion.com/connect -------------------------------------------------- I really appreciate the bullet points, I will respond to each. 1) In the interview I mentioned evolution not being able to account for the origin of the Universe, Life, and all of the diverse species. In the first one of your points, you said “no scientist ever claimed that.” Well... Scientists are, in fact, claiming that evolution accounts for everything... Cosmic to Chemical to Biological. Here’s a link to a Harvard-Smithsonian site: www.cfa.harvard.edu/~ejchaisson/cosmic_evolution/docs/splash.html Although Harvard and the Smithsonian are both organizations I respect, they are misrepresenting science in regard to evolution. Of which, I wish they would use your explanation of science. :) You said, “Scientists will continue to explore those questions using the scientific method (which always implies questioning what we think we know).” I very much agree with you. -------------------------------------------------- 2) You said, “Your answer to those questions is to propose the existence of an unmoved mover.” Well, that could be assumed. Yet, I did not answer those questions with this assumption. I generally take a different approach. My work revolves around showing how the current understanding of evolution is deeply flawed and unable to meet the criteria of science. Most would then make the same leap you made and think I am proposing there must have been an “unmoved mover.” I don’t do that, because just putting evolution into question naturally causes folks to then turn toward the idea of a creator of some kind. Another thing you said in point two was, “Christians never did much to address the question of where God came from.” You are right. No Christian/Jew can give a good answer to this question. The reason for that has to do with the Judeo-Christian narrative explaining God to be the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. God claimed to be the great I AM... the eternal and timeless One. It would be weird if a Christian explained to you where God came from. Granted, being a person with a finite amount of time, (I had a very real beginning and someday I will have an end) it can be difficult wrapping my brain around an eternal Creator God, but this analogy has always helped me. :) A baker uses flour, eggs, milk and sugar to make a cake. Yet, the baker is not made of flour, eggs, milk, and sugar. The baker is outside of and independent of flour, eggs, milk, and sugar. God used space, time, energy, and matter to make the Universe. Yet, God is not made of space, time, energy, and matter. God is outside of and independent of space, time, energy, and matter. Of course, analogies are never perfect and I am sure there are flaws, but I hope it helps you as much as it has helped me. -------------------------------------------------- 3) You said, “Finally I have to call you out on your scepticism about evolution.” This is an interesting thing to say. My questioning of evolution actually coincides with your understanding of science, of which I agree. Remember, you said... “Scientists will continue to explore those questions using the scientific method (which always implies questioning what we think we know).” I question the validity of evolution because it does not produce empirical data. One of the many aspects of evolutionary research is to look for transitional fossils, (the missing link) which is a biased assumption that evolution is true before any fossil evidence is found. Not very scientific. By definition, my scientific skepticism of evolution is, in fact, scientific. WEBSTER: scientific skepticism is an impartial attitude of the mind previous to investigation. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scientific%20skepticism As for your example when it comes to micro-organisms, I agree! Yes, they adapt. No one questions that, because adaptation is real... yet adaptation is not synonymous with evolution. So, at this point we must ask... what is evolution? Well, I’m glad we are to this point. Grace interviewed me on her show, because I wrote a book called What is Evolution. In my book, I do not refer to Creationist materials. I refer to scientific journals, evolutionary biologists, and court transcripts. I make a non-religious case that evolution is purposely undefined because it does not meet the criteria of science and is unlawful to be taught in the public classroom. Thank you for the conversation. Sincerely, William
@@ready.set.question. Evolution and the subsequent progress in research into life sciences does account for the diversity of life to the best of my knowledge. The link you provide (www.cfa.harvard.edu/~ejchaisson/cosmic_evolution/docs/splash.html) shows a 2000s era pop science generalization of the history of the universe. Those are valuable resources (science should be made accessible in my opinion), even if they aren’t completely up to date with current debate in research. If you’re arguing against scientism as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosphy as “a positive epistemic attitude toward the content of our best theories and models, recommending belief in both observable and unobservable aspects of the world described by the sciences”, I have more sympathy to your argument that you think. However, your particular contention is that despite overwhelming evidence, the basics of human evolution are so wrong that they shouldn’t be taught in school. From a secular perspective, that makes me deeply suspicious - as suspicious as when I see a revisionist version of history written in history textbooks (a current example of that would be the BJP trying to rewrite the history of India as a Hindu nation and Muslim presence as foreign). You say yourself that you have no difficulty believing microbes “adapt” to their environment, I’m pretty sure you’d take my word for it if I said I designed and selected for mutations and created my own strain of C. elegans in the lab using basic understanding of genetics and reproduction and selecting traits that’s largely built on the back of research on evolution. It only bothers you when we get to human nature, and it makes me think you’re pushing a religious agenda. Indeed, it’s not at all natural to think of a single creator when confronted with the mystery of not how, but why we exist. Monotheism is a relatively new meme the course of human history. Judaism and Christianity have roots in pre-Abrahamic polytheistic religions, and the majority of humans alive today don’t believe in a creation myth as proposed by the Bible. Let’s now adress the baker metaphor. Knee-jerk reaction is that if God had half the work ethic of an average baker, there would be no childhood cancer, but moving beyond that the metaphor breaks down quickly. The baker is most certainly made of carbon and oxygen and hydrogen and a sprinkle of other atoms, just like the flour and eggs and milk. Let’s entertain that god is made of a material outside of our world and beyond our imagination - why exactly does he get a say on what is taught in classrooms in non-religious schools ? I also see the both the lack of “empirical data” in natural sciences (how do you intend to do a double blind control study where half the participants don’t evolve ?) and the “missing link” (a decades old trope used to misrepresent the history of humanoid species) red herrings in this debate.
I am LOVING this series! Chiming in 6 months late: my physics teacher in HS had a 2 second explanation for how he was able to be a Christian and believe in science. It blew my atheist mind. I've never forgotten it. "Science is the how, religion is the why". There was zero conflict for him.
I rewatch State of Grace episodes every weekend. They’re so informative and Grace has such an open mind or at least addresses when she doesn’t, so it just opens me up to hearing new things as well. I love the editing and structure, every episode is well made and rewatchable. ❤️
I would choose a different title . I like that Grace seems to do genuine research from multiple perspectives on an issue. As a Christian I do believe in science, take medicine, and use modern conveniences. However the question of where did life itself and universe come from is not answered by science. (At least not yet) I would need to do in depth research to understand and know all the ins and outs of the theory of evolution.
Do you not trust the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community ? I don't understand particle physics beyond basic applications of Schrodinger's equation and the basics of radioactive decay, but I trust the physicists that specialize in that area, and I observe that our tools in nuclear medicine work, ie : I wouldn't know how to theoretically demonstrate the existence of a positron, but I still believe in PET scans.
Christina, I have done that research, and in the absence of any proof from macro evolutionists, who deny any evidence if they can't prove it to their way of thinking, meaning that they have replaced God with themselves, it is not difficult to work out that if atheists say it doesn't exist, it usually means that it does exist as the truth is they don't want it to exist. that in itself is insufficient evidence that it does not exist. The whole atheist evolutionist position is based totally on conjecture. How do we know this? Because no two atheist evolutionists agree with each other. They have admitted no atheist evolutionist speak for another atheist evolutionist. So what it amounts to is you pays your money and you make your choice. That by any stretch of the imagination is not science.
I don’t think religion prevents people from going into science. My grandfather was a catholic til the day he died and he had a PhD in organic chemistry. Two of his sons also hold advanced science degrees (both PhDs) and a couple of my cousins went into is as well, all catholic. Now, that didn’t mean he was PROGRESSIVE, or consistent in his belief in science. Lol
That is a lie that the atheists like to propagate because they have tunnel vision that does not allow them to see the wider picture. All they can see is a false belief system that has no evidence so they have to cover their tracks by rubbishing the opposition.
As someone who is working through deconstruction faith wise and is majoring in environmental science, this is so good! It offten feels like people belive my commitment for one undermines my commitment to the other.
trash boat I think thats because in this video, she was focusing specifically on Hard-Core creationism vs darwinism. Plus, no one else I’ve personally heard of is repressing the science of evolution because it seemingly contradicts with what they are pushing onto anyone and everyone, though it would be naïve to believe they are not out there. I would love a very long documentary or docu-series, though, that goes in depth on all different versions of the Creation Myths in all the different religions.
Typical Evangelical thinking: "I went a did some reading cause I was interested in the topic. Unfortunately my findings were not in line with my preconceived ideas, so I decided those finding were wrong." Also, this "Creation Museum" probably didn't want cameras because they know the only people who go there are other Christians whose beliefs are gonna be affirmed there. They don't want skeptics on the internet to see it and bombard them with evidence of why none of this craziness makes any sense.
The only thing that doesn't make any sense is a persons uncritical belief in the theory of macro evolution. I have read enough books to know that macro evolution is not possible from a biological perspective. The earth was created in six days by God in a very specific pattern as it was intended to last for thousands of years and for that to happen, it was created with different aspects to be reliant on other aspects of creation, as David Attenborough has show so eloquently in his nature series on TV. To say that creation evolved over millions of years is not possible as certain aspects of it would have died off before the next bit evolved.
@@s-truth no actually that isn't how it works, animals adapted to the earth as it changed, we just keep adapting and evolving and there is real tangible scientific proof for it. Its not falsifiable its simply the truth, the earth is billions of years old, 4.5 billion I think
@@stanzaschulz4339 Sorry stanza but serious discussion is not based on "I think" If I presented a paper at university based on what I think my mark would have been zero.
@@stanzaschulz4339 No problem but you will find that amongst the adaptation nothing changed from being what it was. The breed of dog that lived in a cold climate grew long hair but it never stopped being that breed of dog. And the same breed that lived in a hot climate grew short hair but still the same dog.
I'm pansexual,and growing up in a unsupportive Christian family and this is a debate that has made my family force my friends away from me because they don't believe in God. I'm scared I might get sent to conversion therapy because it is legal in my state,and my family has threatned me with it because I don't believe some things my family does.
One of the conversation that was brought up in my youth group by us youth was that God’s perception of time is different then ours a day for God could very well be millions of years. In the Bible Jesus said he would come back soon, it’s been two thousand years!!! I believe that God guided and shaped the earth to be what it is today, I believe that he put the universe and world into existence and guided it to his plan and his will. A lot of other kids in the youth group and the youth leader agreed with my stand point which only further backed it up, sooo yeah that’s what I believe creation wise
There is no contradiction - spirituality & science, they are one , as per folks like Einstein , Sir Isaac Newton ...and many others. There’s only a conflict if you take texts like “the Bible” literally . In the end, believe and practice what is right for you .
I kind of love this interviewer. She is so likeable and hears out everyone no matter which side of the fence they are on. And lets the facts speak for itself. In this case, that evolution is real.
I went to college. I am not a dummy” - there are a lot of people in college or who were that are dumb. Going to college doesn’t make you smart. Evolution may not be able to explain everything but that does not allow for something that has yet to be proven to take its place. Because one does not agree with something does not mean they can make something up to replace it. I have no intellect respect for that evangelist. The most compelling argument ( meaning interesting) is entanglement theory.
In the USA anyone who can afford college can go but in many countries in Europe and around the world not anyone can get in . The one who don’t have the grades and test scores to move to the college level are given the option to go to technical schools or learn a trade .
I remember being in church as a kid and a pastor or leader telling me a story of how he took an "F"on a paper on school on Evolution instead of writing it because it was not right. I remember being so bewildered at the idea and thinking that I'd never do that though I'm pretty sure I believed in it back then. I would be beyond upset if someone told me child that today.
Christianity isn’t the only faith/religion. This video only highlights science and Christianity. There are many religions such as Islam where science and faith don’t contradict
Ricky Gervais had a nice way of putting it, in terms of religion and science. If you remove all books, everything we know about science and everything we know about religion, in 2000 years, science will give us the exact same answers. But all we know about religion will be completely different. Science is fact, opinions are not. And religion is an opinion. If there was something called God, we all would worship the same God, and not 4,200 different opinions of that God. (I will say that I'm a "religion freak" cause I love reading about it. Religion in Old Egypt is my favorite so far. Maybe it's because I don't understand how you can believe in something that's not there, and maybe I'll get the surprise of a lifetime when I die :') )
Science changes all the time. Ppl believed the earth was flat, that germs werent real, heliocentrism and so many more illogical ideas. The bible had already stated the earth was round and how to care for sick ppl and dead bodies. It also explained how to treat others. The bible talked about the water cycle. And about how the earth would get ruined over time (which some ppl still refuse to acknowledge). The bible has explained things that ppl have only recently understood. Scientific understandings have changed and still do change. The bible has always and its teachings will always stay the same. Hope this was helpful, calming, and encouraging for all to hear. 🙏✌
@@starr7093 The teachings will stay the same, if people let it. It was written by humans and humans can change it. It has a bigger variable than science 👌🏻
@@bbarbie1990 and humans write textbooks. But we trust those even though from one year or decade to the next we get new info that makes the textbooks outdated. Knowledge about science has and will change. The bibles message wont. The bible was written by men but the message is from God 😊😊
@@starr7093 Have you studied the history of medicine and religion? I have and you're talking utter shit. The bible supports flat earth theory and the idea that the earth is central to the galaxy.. which the church argued for decades until science got so advanced telescopes could be used and it was proven to be the sun. Embarrassing for the church really hence Atheism has grown over history. The bible was written by humans with brains that can observe.. im sure they saw human greed and corruption so its nothing amazing to predict earth will get contaminated/ 'ruined'. Although more people have wealth then during many hundreds of years.. a common person lives better then a King during medieval times. Also MASSIVE DIFFERENCE: People never didnt believe in germs.. they didnt KNOW about germs.. because you cannot seem them with the naked eye. It was a scientist who proved germs exist. The catholic church banned medical practise for many years and ran crusades killing those that opposed the church and supported science. Alexandria and all the medical discoveries during the ancient times, greek, roman got destroyed by the church throwing Europe into what was known as the dark ages later. During the plague people walked the streets whipping themselves asking God for forgiveness making them have open wounds and immediate infection and spread of plague as much wasn't known about bacteria but thanks to a scientific discovery we learnt about germs and transformed the world. The bible hasn't explained a single thing that science had not explained once before if you studied from multiple sources and not just from 1 (I'm guessing you probably read online stuff from religious people/ the church only lol). You are part of the reason people believe in a flat earth.. because you spread bullshit and at the end try make people feel better about life through false info.. its actually insane how ignorant and uneducated you are. hope you feel calm and encouraged .
Show me the evidence, there literally is not evidence to show that we evolved from apes or pond scum, etc... It's an assumption because we exist, and rejecting God we ultimately try to connect the dots to other creatures and methods. But that doesn't mean it's true, and to say it's not true doesn't mean you reject scientific study. Evolution isn't compatible with God creating life perfectly BEFORE THE FALL, BEFORE DEATH. Any evolution is only after the fact, after God created. There are modern day animals fossilized alongside dinosaurs. Keep your ideology or wake up, it's a choice. We'll all stand for one side or the other, it can't be both ways.
Thanks for this piece that is, once again, asking good questions and remaining open to other perspectives. I appreciate that Grace continues to make pieces like this.
I don't know where you got that silly idea. Last century was the year of the Christian scientists. Many of them were atheists and when they were presented with the truth, the converted to Christianity. I have read their books that told their stories so you are out on a limb on that one.
@@s-truth I never said there were no Christian scientists. If you look at the numbers the amount of people involved in organized religion is going down. Just because there's Christian scientists doesn't mean there aren't less than there was 50 or 100 years ago.
When I was on first day of College, after an introductory speech from the College of Arts and Sciences, I met and discussed with one of the faculty members with my parents, and I remember a few set of words that he said, that still resonates with me to this day - "God was the "who", and evolution was the "how""
Grace is awesome as usual. Really great episode. I do have some trouble sympathizing with people who reject evolution because “it conflicts with their faith”, when the bible itself is conflictive. Not to enter into a lot of detail here, but in a world where presbyterians, protestants, evangelicals, catholics, methodists exist side by side, maybe we should acknowledge the book isn’t so spot on and that it can be interpreted multiple ways.
What evolution are you talking about? In case you did not know there are two sorts. macro and micro. Macro is Genesis and micro can be found in all sorts of situations. The atheistic evolutionist does not believe in either of them unless it removes God from the narrative even though they cannot prove that the creation story in Genesis is not true.
I was raised Catholic, and in Catholic schools I attended, evolution was always taught as fact while Genesis was understood to be folklore or metaphorical. At no point was this controversial.
I think one important thing to keep in mind is that evolution does not explain how life came to be; it explains how populations change over time. The origin of life is still a debated subject. Did it happen in a puddle, the deep sea, in bedrock, etc? But I cannot understand how you cannot accept evolution as fact, when there is so much evidence.
"Most theologians dont" was the most accurate stance and understanding of scholarly work in Christianity. Most theologians don't agree with common Christians.
I was raised Baha'i, and was taught that science and religion go hand-in-hand. Reading genesis from that framework, it was obvious to me that genesis was an allegory for the big bang and evolution. I once joined a Christian bible study group, and the way that I interpreted all the stories in the bible was so different them. For example, when Jesus' followers all came to see him, and many were hungry, Jesus shared the last of his food, then the food multiplied and there was enough for everyone. My Christians read this as a miracle of god (basically magic), where as I read it that Jesus' example of generosity inspired others to share what food they had, and in doing so there was enough food for all (leadership).
My first major was Biology and as a then-conservative Christian I grappled with evolution (the first introduction was a single short paragraph in a textbook and I spent HOURS over it) but the more I learned I felt in the same boat as the lady from Pepperdine. It became more reassuring of my faith even. If we take the Bible too literally there is no space for science or even compassion for people different from us
How am I supposed to believe a version in a book when there are so many different stories of how we came to earth. All of the stories have to do with the same gd. Doesn't make sense. Evolution, when researched, makes the most sense because it is simply proven.
Sorry Annabelle evolution as propounded by atheist evolutionists have not proved anything. The only thing they have proved is they don't know how life on earth began evidenced by multitudes of theories about the subject.
How did a channel so often mocked in the past for odd makeup trends, step forward in this thoughtful conversation about religion? How? Grace Baldridge, you are a blessing. This series is beautiful. I'm subscribing to Refinery just for you and if they'll make more thoughtful content like yours, I'm here for it.
It said in the Bible that sin entered the world through Adam and Eve eating the apple. So there would’ve been no death or suffering (which was caused by sin) before that time. If your theory of Gods days being millions of years were true, there would’ve HAD to have been death because plants and animals would’ve died during that time. So believing in evolution and being a christian isn’t possible because you would have to say that sin entered the world before Adam and Eve ate the fruit.
The Hebrew word 'yom' means "day," not thousands, millions or billions of years. Theistic evolution makes even less sense than atheistic evolution. I understand the desire to remain faithful to the Holy Bible and adhere to genuine science...but there is NO conflict between them. There IS conflict between God's Word and the false religious beliefs of abiogenesis and macroevolution.
Joseph Nadeau I know what yom means, I’m Israeli. I’m just saying there’s no way of knowing if gods idea of a day is the same idea we made for ourselves
Yosepha Hook I mean it says pretty clearly that there was evening and then morning- the first day. I don’t think He could be any clearer than that.. I was addressing how you said that it didn’t say anywhere in the Bible about days being millions of years when it’s pretty clear that it does
Just found this channel, watched 2 videos, and I'm convinced it's brilliant. I'm not a believer. I don't personally value religion, but Grace tackles the most explosive issues like a freak'n wizard. Whatever incompatibility there is between science and religion is completely man made. It doesn't seem as though god has weighed in one way or another. If god did use evolution to shape life, anyone saying he didn't is doing him a disservice, and should probably be careful about definitive statements.
Great video Grace. My reply to the evangelist would be that one of the recurring themes in Proverbs is to "Get wisdom, get insight". Is it not God who has blessed scientists with the knowledge, insight and talents to discover and implement the things in nature which we now rely on. Taking that in to full context is then not a refusal of God to allow these advances to be found.
Show me the evidence, there literally is not evidence to show that we evolved from apes or pond scum, etc... It's an assumption because we exist, and rejecting God we ultimately try to connect the dots to other creatures and methods. But that doesn't mean it's true, and to say it's not true doesn't mean you reject scientific study. Evolution isn't compatible with God creating life perfectly BEFORE THE FALL, BEFORE DEATH. Any evolution is only after the fact, after God created. There are modern day animals fossilized alongside dinosaurs. Keep your ideology or wake up, it's a choice. We'll all stand for one side or the other, it can't be both ways.
@@peachbun We literally share 96 to 98.8% of our DNA with chimpanzees... It would be an "assumption because we exist" to think that humans are supernaturally set apart from other animals.
@@PantherGX I don't think we "literally" share our DNA with them, I mean, I know I never never gave my DNA to one. But maybe you meant we share similarities with them. But this similarity doesn't then equal we are evolved from them. God is free to create everything he wants with similar qualities, since he is the Creator, it makes sense that they would. You may want something drastically different to prove humans are set apart, but there is no reason to say God had to do that. But, I would say it takes a lot of faith to think that in the supposed BILLIONS of years of existence( and I'm not saying we were created in 6 literal days either, since the original Hebrew can interpret day as a span of time ) , only humans would stand as the most intelligent species that dominates all others, and there is no proof of any other intelligent creature emerging to even challenge us at any time, despite how random "some" people want to claim everything is. If we're all just evolved pond scum, there should be some others aside from humans.
The point made about how many theologians do not read the Bible as literal is what gets me. After many years of being taught that literal reading is the only way to be faithful, the thing that ironically got me to accept both religion and science in harmony was...actually taking a religion class. Turns out theology professors are actually pretty good at deconstructing fundie ways of thinking, because they've spent so long studying the historical contexts behind sacred texts that literal readings ignore.
Obviously you have not read the bible. A book that is the best selling book of all time. If you can disassociate yourself from religion and focus on Christianity, you will learn what the truth is. There is no conflict between the creation story and micro evolution. The conflict comes because atheistic scientists do not want to give God any credence to creation so they invent all sorts of fairy stories to cover their tracks and all they do is make themselves look foolish with all their differing views on creation, none of which is backed up by evidence. it is only their opinion and that is not scientific.
I love the discussion on the ontology of humans, but can we keep agree to keep creationism outside of science class in primary and secondary education ? There's already a place for it in religious education and philosophy classes. Science class isn't just about the conclusions we arrive at, it also teaches the scientific method. Discussions in philosophy and theology present a different way of thinking, which are valuable and deserve their own space - just not in science class. Scientists aren't seeking to encroach on your faith, so please don't try to impress on young malleable minds that creationism and evolution are competing theories. I'd say the same thing if lobbyists were pushing to teach climate change denial in science class, or political parties were re writing the history curriculum to suit their ideology (as has happened and continues to happen in many parts of the world, India for example).
The science of evolution cannot exist unless it includes the story of creation. It is like starting a ball game in the second quarter. Atheistic evolutionists have not proved the creation story is not true, so until they do (and they won't) it has to be part of the narrative about creation and evolution. It is more scientific and biological than macro evolution which is based on opinion not science, so to give students the true picture, it cannot be done without including the creation narrative from the bible. The teacher has to say we are giving you this information because no one has proved it is not true and no one has an alternative scientific narrative that is provable.
@@s-truth How many creation myths do you expect a biology teacher to be able to explain ? And who created the god that created the universe ? From there it's turtles all the way down. Our universe is the result of a random fluctuation in some kind of background that doesn't exist in time or space. There are definitely parts of our universe too far to ever be able to access, and probably multiple universes with different properties, most of which are not suited to "life".
Grace, thank you - from the bottom of my heart - for what you are doing. I’ve been following you for a while, and your truly authentic search to find where Christianity and its beliefs and doctrines fit within modern society, is so unique and needed right now. Thank you for asking these questions and creating these videos. You’re helping more people than you may realize. XOXO 💜💜💜
5:53.... just because there is a consensus on something does not mean it’s true and viceversa. Why should we teach creationism, then, when so many thousands of belief systems exist that say opposing things?
I’m an anthropology student and a Christian. God is so powerful, who are we to say what He can and can’t do? Saying that God had to create the world in 6 days is limiting God to human understanding.
I appreciated that either side was presented respectfully. Thank you Grace! I personally feel like science and faith are compatible and that there is just going to be areas we will never truly understand. One thing I'd like to mention is that the religious (not all but a subsection of Christianity) argument that creation was seven 24 hr days is incorrect. Our understanding of time and God's timing is very different (at least what I understand and believe it to be from what I was taught). The verses that explains this is: 2 Peter 3:8; Psalm 90:4 - "a day is as a thousand years to the Lord". I hope this gives a little insight. I feel like Grace and I could have the most deep, mind blowing conversation about this. :)
Christian and science lover here: God created science to lead us to him. The more I learned about evolution, the more it cemented the idea of intelligent design to me. Animals evolve to release stress hormones through their eyes? Boom, crying as a natural coping mechanism. Making a Self-sustaining population was part of Gods intelligent design for free will, and evolution is one more piece of the puzzle to understanding Gods design.
Im a Catholic ( a former Altar Boy amd now a Lay Minister) and I see no problem pf actually being a Christian and believing in evolution or in scientific concepts in general. Currently writing my Master Thesis on the Correlation of Religiosity and Attitude towards Science and as far as my thesis is going, the conflict is basically brought about by the people and not from the concepts themselves.
this is how religion should be discussed. For me seriously, I'm still roman catholic by birth (no choice) but honestly I thank the teachings of Buddhism for enlightening me. I still read bible verses and so does Buddhism scriptures. You'd be surprised how similar some verses and scriptures are. What I don't like about being too religious are the extremists or people who are self righteous, just because someone goes to church and reads the bible. Doesn't mean they're God or closer to God. If someone is close to God it is everyone, we all have our right near him.
But there are always things for each of us to learn. So, someone might correct you according to God's word and you could either disregard them and say they are being self-righteous, or you could assume they are your brother or sister in Christ who is sharing something with you. For instance, God does warn us about keeping the traditions of men, rather than his word. The Sabbath was never changed from the 7th day that God sanctified and made holy. His ten commandments written in stone and even kept in the ark of the covenant weren't changed or destroyed. Jesus himself said he did not come to change or destroy the law, and nothing would pass away from it until heaven and Earth pass away, and that has not happened. But the Roman Catholic Church professes they hold the power to change God's word, to change the Sabbath even, and will even teach people to pray to statues of Mary who is dead, when this is not biblical at all. It's a form of idolatry. God warned in prophecy that men would think to change times and laws... You also do not need any middle man to confess to, in order to ask for forgiveness from God. It's just a matter of confusion that we can clear away, and that would bring us closer to doing what God says is right. It can be called extremism to talk about what God says is right, or it could be called good according to God's own word... As for other religions having similar teachings... Well, fundamentally something that is good will be good, but despite similar teachings, they lack the power and authority of God, and his plan of salvation not through our own efforts, but by repenting for breaking his law and trusting in Him alone to change our heart and mind away from the ways of this broken world.
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It's already proven that we have alien DNA. 98% junk DNA isn't possible, it's just inactive, it was inactivated by malevolent extraterrestrial species.
God created the universe (multiverse) and evolved extraterrestrial beings created the human race. Www.thegreaterpicture.com .
@@SabbatarianSundayer. yes nephilim in the bible or fallen angels
Refinery29 No resolve. For that specific issue there are no resolutions. Creation versus evolution seems to always be in an attempt to prove that God exists. But if we read closely in genesis we find that the Bible is explaining who we are to help us understand how to rule earth. It tells us that all these things were created before we got here. And then it gives us instruction on how to take care of the earth, and tells us how to populate the earth because the earth belongs to mankind. The Bible isn’t given with the intention of proving there’s a God, it’s given to us to teach us who we are and how to take care of what we have. And it tells us how changes are going to happen in the future. I respect your hard work and your research and your passion, but with all due respect I feel like creation vs evolution is such a waste of time
Refinery29 Realizing that taking the word of God at face value is a terrible disservice to the ultimate meaningful and in-depth answer He always teaches.
It's almost as if science is a process not an ideology
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And I fucking love science
Rachel Zblewski Yes but I wish people really internallized how skewed the scientific process can be due to people’s ideology!!!
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@@babyyodachelsea7034 There is bias in literally everything, including science. However, the difference between faith and science is that science is aware of these biases and considers them when interpreting findings (hence the "limitations" section in scientific literature). The only way to tackle bias is to develop insight and awareness, something inherently missing from most organized faiths but present in the scientific process.
My grandfather was a passionate Catholic and a physics and astronomy professor. There was never a conflict between science and religion for him, and I listened to many lectures of just how much sense could be made by putting the two together.
The Catholic church acctually recognizes evolution. The pope is a scientist himself...
My grandma was a very passionate Catholic but if my dad and his brother came home and were like “evolution wasn’t a thing”, boy oh boy that would have been a time.
@Anna M., The Pope is a Jesuit himself.
P.S. I was raised Catholic; I know exactly what they do and what they believe. Most is so far removed from Scripture that it is not recognizable as Biblical Christianity.
Anna Belle there’s definitely an explanation for all of the catholic beliefs and practices it’s just on you to research and ask questions
I really enjoyed this piece. I am a Christian and I was hesitant to watch this video because I thought it would be attacking my faith. I couldn't have been more wrong. Grace was thoughtful, respectful and asked really good questions. This is by far my favorite video on Refinery 29. Please let Grace do more interviews and address more controversial topics.
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As a student of the New Message from God as received by Marshall Vian Summers, I'm very open to discussing the negative effects of taking a pure religion or message and altering it or taking metaphors literally to create man-determined morality and rule. It's also important to be able to meet and talk to people who believe things we don't, because there's a chance a lot of people are well-intentioned yet confused, and it may teach us something about how beliefs develop based on preference and fear.
Jesus didn't get to be recorded live, so I get that we've received primarily interpretation mixed with fear.
Thankfully God has spoken again, through Marshall. It doesn't require belief-- don't take my word for it, but as this video reiterates: investigate for yourself.
I believe in God and that all good things are of God, and that includes science. I believe evolution should be taught in schools; it doesn't need to be something offensive to religious people. However, schools need to keep up on scientific discoveries. High schools have been teaching outdated material on evolution, when there have been so much more advances in that field of study.
If they teach about real time observed evolution in microorganisms, it would conflict even more with religious ideas. Maybe it isn't a good idea to conclusively support evolution.
Good point, pretty much every subject is outdated by the time a textbook is created for the class.
Thank you for sharing your point of view and watching this video!!
Nateik I believe that if someone has firm faith that they won’t be easily swayed by something being taught in school. Listen to what your teacher says and study your faith. Use your critical thinking skills to draw your conclusions. At least that’s how feel
Even the Pope in Rome has agreed to the teachings of evolution. I think you can have faith and believe in science.
Grace Baldridge is a great documentalist, I can't wait for her to do a full length documentary
The last statement in the video is the absolute truth... We have to have these conversations comfortably and openly in order to engage and never to feel attacked
+nineemeraldblessings We agree 1000%!!
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Grace is the best host!! Her series is so insightful!!
Whole hardheartedly agree with this comment! Smart, funny, insightful. I'm sharing this link with all my friends who are interested in the worlds religions.
We’re just a bunch of overthinking cells
+estrellahub LOL, very true!
Exactly !! I guess we are overthinking cause we want to leave the GOD of creation out of everything thus Gods guidebook ( the Bible ) collects dust on our shelves as we "overthink " !! Good point ! PS Read Romans 10; 9 and 10 where God tells mankind how to get to Heaven and ps it is free and easy !!
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It is strange to me to see this phenomenon in the USA. I grew up in the Caribbean and our education is modeled after the British system. Even religious schools, like the Presbyterian high school I went to, taught evolution as STANDARD SCIENCE. There was no conflict. We had a religious assembly every morning and in Biology Class we were introduced to evolution. In Geography our geological curriculum was based on old earth, over 4 Billion years old. In World History, we started with pre-history and civilizations far older than when the Bible was written.
The Bible was never taught as a history book or science book. It was taught as a spiritual and moral book to derive life lessons from. It seems the conflict with evolution, an old earth and a world history outside of the Biblical record only comes from the American Evangelical religions that sprung up in the 1800s. Pentecostal, Southern Baptist, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormon and Jehovah's Witnesses. Clearly, these particular sects have taken over your public schools.
I believe schools should stay secular
I think this is happening because the USA is over run with a corrupt version of Christianity where everyone has to follow what the leader says and then people crack and come up with these crazy interpretations of the Bible and they wont except outside ideas because they think they've caught the system and that these people can overthrow with their new and great ideas
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I agree ! It is so strange to see Gods name omitted from Americas public school system when the US Congress adopted " In God We Trust " to be Americas national motto in 1959 to be exact !!! Google that one !!
It's strange for us Americans as well that were taught exactly what you were taught. I can't speak for religious schools in NYC but evolution, ancient civilizations, pre-colonialized Indigenous societies + African civilizations in middle school (which is rare education), and prehistoric life were standard.
I had a science teacher in high school who would say "Religion deals with the super natural, science deals with the natural."
In normal schools outside of theocracies the question never even arises.
Going to college doesnt mean you're smart it means you can afford higher education
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Not in my country dear, only those who qualify move on to the next level because education is free to university level. I think it's more about educational intelligence because being smart is something else. Smart is more in tune with being clever, you see you can be intelligent but not smart.
@@kamzamosweu2269 "...education is free to university level" ... the original comment was referring to the university level (college/high education). what does your comment mean if your country's higher education isnt free either
I know plenty of highly educated idiots.
Yes, I know he probably didn't intend for it but when he said "I went to college; I'm no dummy", it sounded like he was saying people who didn't go to college are dummies.
Religion and science don't oppose each other. You can believe in both, it's not that difficult :)
+rockmanyicgurl Agreed!
I’m sorry to be so brunt, but you’re very wrong. To accept religion, you need to ignore certain parts of science. To accept science, you need to ignore certain parts of religion. It is possible to believe in a higher power and still in religion, but not in any organized belief system that exists in the world today
@@user-sn6jv5dv9s I accept religion and I accept science, it's quite possible to do both!
Roblox Gymnastics If you accept the creationism theory, you don’t accept science (Fully). If you believe in the Big Bang Theory or the theory of evolution, you don’t accept religion (fully). Both are mutually exclusive, you’re just too afraid to pit your conflicting ideals against each other so you just don’t think about it
Martín Mejía Your notions are black and white while most of the world is grey. It’s not either or and they aren’t in conflict. You’re thinking of absolutes.
"Evolution doesn't make sense" did you ever consider that it is too hard for you to understand? Why are humans so self centred that we think the universe is so simplistic we should all be able to understand how it works?
I hate the God of the gaps argument
And when you present one of the simpler examples of evolution in action, creationists go, "THAT DOESN'T COUNT!" and throw out pseudo-terms like "micro-evolution" and "macro-evolution."
Also, quantum theory doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not so arrogant as to believe that anything I don't get must be wrong.
Exactly !! I agree evolution makes no sense what soever and in fact it takes more faith to believe evolution than to believe in God the creator and his Word the Bible !!
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God doesn't make sense either, and I say that as a Christian with all love and respect. God is so much greater than us that to say that we fully comprehend him would be both ridiculous and incredibly arrogant. Like many of the people in this video I believe in God and I accept evolution as factual. And I'm not willing to pretend that I fully understand either of them. If you accept only that which you fully comprehend then you're probably never going to accept much at all in this vast, confusing, ancient, often-invisible universe.
This Willie guy is making me like rage. Evolution doesn’t even attempt to explain the origin of life or the universe, only how it became the diversity of life we have today once it began. He’s talking about abiogenesis and theoretical astrophysics respectively. And his beef seemed to be that it didn’t bring God into the equation. That’s because science measures what we can observe and deduce about the physical world. Therefore, a supernatural, infalsifiable entity that cannot be observed or measured is not taken into account. So either he’s confused by what science is or he’s being disingenuous.
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Yes, my exact thought process when he was talking.
The problem is that if evolution is true then the bible is wrong. If the bible is wrong then it cant be God's word because God cant be wrong. This destroys the concept of christianity as a religion which is based on the bible.
@Cory. IKR? I was yelling at the screen that he's not even talking about one thing. He is essentially wondering why he goes to a medical checkup and learns nothing about veterinary medicine nor the care and feeding of reptiles. That creation museum is whacky. Saw a talk and great demo about reptiles by a creation museum guy. u He holds up an albino Burmese python and announced evolution can't explain it. Uh, yeah, it's a genetic issue, no problem. It wouldn't exist in the wild at that weight and length. It would already have been eaten.I cringe that Willie is a teacher. He's too confused to have critical thinking skills.
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“Science and religion are not competitors. They are two languages trying to tell the same story. There’s room in this world for both.” - Robert Langdon (Origin by Dan Brown, 2017)
I’ve been so incredibly impressed by the non bias of these documentaries. Thank you so much for making them I’ve really learned a lot
+torittorres So glad you're enjoying them!
I get told all the time I can’t believe in both. But I don’t believe in organized religion. I am spiritual because I know about the energy in our bodies and around us. We are all one. Thank you for this video.
+jacqueb What a lovely take! Thanks for leaving a positive message.
Love Grace, her wife and those adorable dogs!!!
Grace's ability to ask difficult questions without ruffling feathers is flawless ❤
I personally don't believe in God/devil or heaven/hell but I respect others journeys and beliefs.
+twistedfrannie Thank you for leaving a positive comment!
I can't believe I had to scroll so far down to find the first comment on their dogs! They're SO adorable!
It's okay to believe that God's creations are so much more complex than those in the past understood. It's not that hard of a concept to wrap your head around. Science is the exploration of God's amazingness..not a fight against it.
Leggie Meggie That is a lovely take. Thank you for sharing!!
Looooove this
Leggie Meggie yes!
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Indeed and therefore science should be supported not these corrupt awful churches who take from poor through donations and use around 30% to pay for rape cases of catholic priests and the rest on Vatican's needs and provide little help for the poor given their staggering wealth. Church could house every homeless catholic worldwide if they desired. Jesus would be devastated to see how his idea to create a communal place of worship has became a corrupted business and that people who are in essence trying to reach him are going to a place were Satan operates.
"Evolution doesn't tell us the origins of life." Neither does the theory of gravity, or germ theory, or atomic theory, or the theory of relativity. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ABOUT! Evolution is about life diversifying. If you want any hypothesis or theories on the origins of life, we have several. Any or all of which could be true simultaneously for those that aren't mutually exclusive. Evolution and abiogenesis (the thing you're attempting not to reference dishonestly) have NOTHING to say about the existence or non-existence of deities, unicorns, pixies, etc. It is dishonest to assert otherwise. Here is a REMARKABLY simple thought exercise:
Given that the definition of "omnipotence" means "all-powerful" and consequently means that if something is omnipotent that there is nothing that it cannot do, if you believe that there is a deity AND that that deity is omnipotent, why would you then assert that that deity CAN'T have done something? You are violating either the premise or the definition or both when you make such a claim.
That man is either willfully dishonest or an idiot.
We’re just a bunch of overthinking cells
omg hahah your comment reminds me of a logic class that talked about relativism and divine command theory and yeah I totally agree with what your saying
Science isn't something you "believe in". This is a really important distinction that religious people don't seem to understand. Science is a collection of processes for going about understanding the world around us, verifying that what we think is true is actually true, and using that knowledge and understanding to create something useful out of it. We know things, we understand things, we AGREE to things to the extent that they've been proven. And there's no agenda, science isn't trying to prove anything specific, we just agree to what we understand and what the data shows, there's not a direction it wants to go because the process is about finding out what's actually true, whether we like it or not. There's no "belief". It's actual knowledge. That's why it's so much more satisfying, that's why it's so much more useful. If you think that the way to go about agreeing with things is simply to 'believe them' or not, then you could take anything on faith, anything at all. You and I don't argue about what 2+2 is, because we KNOW the answer, it's proven, over and over again, it's not an argument about opinions. You can just make things up in religion because it's just a bunch of opinions about things, and none of them seem to be true. People just say, oh I think this or that, but I've made no attempt to prove it, it's just my 'faith'. It's not a useful way to know if you're wrong or right. Saying you have faith basically acknowledges that you don't have any actual proof or reason for believing something, you just WANT to, and it's intellectually dishonest because it suggests that the thing you 'believe in' is UNKNOWABLE. That's the real subversion of religion. It suggests that the world is incomprehensible. So you might as well sing a song, eat a cracker, and wave your hands around because it's as good as any other way to somehow explain and control the way around you. But it doesn't work. It never has. Never will. Plus, your religion tells you that it's a virtue to be willfully ignorant. It's only by actually using reliable methods and investigating things that we've learned anything and used that knowledge to make a difference in the world. We've NEVER looked into anything and found out that 'god did it' was the answer. Nothing you see around you that we've learned, built, created, etc, was done using religion. In fact it's religion that's held us back for centuries from learning what we know now. The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner people can actually get an education and understand the true nature of the world around them. The world is a wonderful and amazing place already, there's no need to pile on magical fairy's as well, it's standing in the way of real progress. And if you're reading this and you're religious, the best thing you can do is go read your own religious texts and start asking questions; you'll probably become an atheist by the end of the process, because there aren't any answers there, those 'explanations' don't really answer the questions in any meaningful or useful way, and they haven't changed much in thousands of years and the people you think have them, don't. And you'll probably be shocked at what your religion wants you to do, and if you don't agree, it's because you're better than that and you don't need that sort of baggage. Grow up, move on, face the world. Life is beautiful.
"The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner people can actually get an education and understand the true nature of the world around them."
Completely agree!
Geez if you are not going to "believe in science " as you put it why keep up with science or study it !! Heck better yet what parts of science can we not believe or throw out question mark !!! Now we have become over thinkers when the answer is simple ; God created the Heavens and the earth and man and animals and day and night etc ( the first book of the Bible ; Genesis ) !!
This does not make sense. I questioned my religion and I am still a Christian simply because there is historical evidence for my faith. You cannot ever get rid if religion it is not possible. Whilst science has answered a lot of questions for us, there are still more questions for instance what caused the beginning of the universe and how come it is fine tuned for the existence of life. These are philosophical questions and theist simply say God caused the beginning of the universe. Atheists say there is no God or they lack belief in the existence of a God but yet cannot answer what caused the beginning of the universe. As long as these questions about the beginning of the universe has not been answered then sorry but religion will always exist. Also religious people also have personal relationships with God so you cant just tell people to throw away that relationship.
@Jody Miranda Ok first of all the whole bible is a collection of different books. Some are myths and some are historical documents that have been confirmed by archaeology. It is not about believing the creation account but about believing in the existence of God because there are good philosophical reasons for Gods existence and also good historical evidence for the existence of Jesus, his death and resurrection. What you said is an oversimplification and ignorance of the what the bible actually is and how it was put together and the history behind it.
I agree @MasterClasster. I wish more Christian’s would realize what you said about science too.
"The truth has nothing to fear from inspection." Damn, that was good.
"I really appreciate the transparency of the museum." *Doesn't allow cameras inside*
😭 They want you to come visit instead.
no matter what you believe, i think we can all agree on that we love grace
This was beautifully done. As a scientist (and a Christian) I really appreciated it. Well done, Refinery29.
+merri-graceallred Thank you for taking the time to watch & leave a positive comment!
SCIENTIST ....? thats why you are stuck between real convincing.
I've never believed there has to be a divide between religion and science, mainly because I got my love of science from the Catholic nun who taught my sixth grade class. She would get very enthusiastic when talking about evolution, saying how wonderful it was that god created such an intricate and ancient universe, and wasn't it amazing how it works? She loved everything about science and felt that anyone who refused to learn it was refusing to know and love god.
I think willie should get his fish a more humane setup 😰😰
I commented the same thing! Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. That's such a fucked up way to keep fish.
That’s all I could think about this whole video the poor fishy 😢😭😥
Omg same tho, like what is this fucked up setup 🤦♀️🤦♀️
I noticed that too. Those poor fish!
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Grace is such an amazing host!! I love that open-mindedness to this series. thank you for discussing these topics!
Grace, I've just binged all of your videos. In recovery from toxic Christianity right now... Was at a megachurch, intern for two years... and walked away. Had to delete social media because the thought of this election year and hearing the Christian jargon just triggered me into anger all over again. Love these videos. Thank you so much for helping define so much stuff I haven't been able to put to words myself.
There is literally so much evidence for evolution.. that guy has obviously only done research that supports his own beliefs...
Please list all the evidence
Jerry Ryan Look it up, don't be lazy. It's way too much to include in a YT comment
@@jerryryan3703 Please use google.
Jerry Ryan please just read listen go to your local library
@@jerryryan3703 open a scientific book or get online and read some academic journals.
5:19 ANYONE who puts goldfish in a vase like that is not to be trusted.
I’m a Christian and I believe in creation by God in 6 literal days. I feel the need to apologize for this guy, but there’s no excuse for this cruelty. When I had goldfish, they had an aerated aquarium with proper grovel and plants and different objects to explore. They got regular food and also sometimes brine shrimp. I don’t understand his mentality at all, unless it’s a prop for this interview and he returns them to a proper habitat.
We need more of state of grace!
+olga More to come! Stay tuned!
"The truth has nothing to fear from inspection" - great motto!
only in USA...I wanted to write more, but then I figured it only makes sense for a country that started the anti-vax movement, flat earth society, climate change deniers oh and pro-life. It seems to be the culture there, the freedom to an opinion is valued higher than decency and truth.
As an American I would definitely agree. I think our problem is that we have so many diverse people with very different options
@@Lily_Sophia01 not true because countries such as Singapore well we have a diverse people too. However that means nothing it just depends on the leader and honesty of the country not because of diverse people
Ramya Rose Well Singapore has like 5-6 million people and the US has over 300,000 million
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Like it or not, science is part of our daily lives ... and has evolved civilizations of diverse cultures and religions ... Powder, paper, medicine, ect
After his inspiration is divine or the simple fact of making things move in the right direction (for both is the most important) I do not stop at the idea that some people think that the earth is flat to consider them as full individuals on this planet, paradoxically there are things that happen that sometimes remains unexplained (like some questions), for example ...
And especially when I observe this conversation for example, I realize that have returned to the political and non-religious or scientific ...
@@Lily_Sophia01 Europe has over 500 million and yet there are nowhere near the same amount of lunatic movements coming from here. Although I suppose we had our fair share a century or two ago.
I have always believed that God started the evolutionary process in the world but apparently according to some people I can't without making God angry.
Evolution is a self-run process. You’re not well adapted = you die. There is no intervention from any divine force involved.
That's your view and that is fine all I said is my view of the issue here.
Hannah - That's because you're making _them_ angry. Fundamentalism is largely about ducking responsibility for one's own preferences, emotional attachments, and hangups, by ascribing them to an external deity.
I think that's a layered conversation. In my family, science and Christianity are very much at odds in some ways. It took a long time for me to form my own relationship with God and accept that my beliefs may differ from some family members and those in my church. I don't think God is as simple as some would like to make Him out to be and I don't think everything there is to know/accept about Him begins at Genesis and ends at Revelation.
@@user-sn6jv5dv9s that is what happens though in the natural world...then God breathed life into us.
Humanity came up with religion to explain things they could not understand. We've slowly developed the tools to help us grasp some of the greater truths about our universe, but of course since we're imperfect and by no means all-knowing, there is still going to be an evolution (eh?) of our understanding of biology, physics, etc. Does not mean that the big magical man is real, just that we're not smart enough as a species to admit we don't know everything.
+sarahjane Thanks for sharing your opinion with us!
Spot on!
Yes! Exactly!
I agree completely. In my opinion, man made God, not the other way around.
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"A way to rephrase that question is, "do I interpret the Bible literally.""
Honestly the question we need to be asking but refuse to.
Liam Shimizu I grew up Baptist, so I’ve definitely been around people who take it literally. I’ve had to teach myself not to take everything in the Bible literally.
@@PrincessKLS What are some things in the Bible you don't take literally???
That is the true issue. Funny enough Christians haven’t always took the Bible so literally
The bible is not meant to be taken literally. Some of it is and some of it isn't. The parables of Jesus are not literal. They are an illustrations to make a point.
I just want to give Grace a hug. The way she can so compassionately meet with people who she so deeply disagrees with really gives me hope.
Great video Grace. Your history has really allowed you to open these questions with sensitivity and _grace._ Cant wait to see what else you have in store.
I was a work study student at my local community college in the early 90's. I worked in the biology and anatomy labs. One of the main professors that I worked for was a female Methodist minister. She has a very interesting theory and personal understanding of science and religion being enmeshed together. I really enjoyed those 2 years of work study. Never did she push her religion on me. She was always open for discussion and intelligent debate. I miss her, and the labs. I would have loved for that to have turned into a real full time job.
I consider myself atheist now but at the time I was still on the fence and considered myself to be agnostic. I learned a lot from my professor about compassion and being open minded.
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09:39 "Your faith, your nationality, your gender, your race, these are who you are. Science is more about what you do."
As a Christian who has always believed in evolution and interpreted "Creation" as a heritage myth in my religious community's collective memory, I say amen to that!
@Grace Susetyo It said in the Bible that sin entered the world through Adam and Eve eating the apple. So there would’ve been no death or suffering (which was caused by sin) before that time. If your theory of Gods days being millions of years were true, there would’ve HAD to have been death because plants and animals would’ve died during that time. So believing in evolution and being a christian isn’t possible because you would have to say that sin entered the world before Adam and Eve ate the fruit.
Grace, you are amazing! I had such a fun time filming with you. We talked for hours and I feel like we could talk many more.
Much love & Godspeed,
Willie
I loved our conversation Willie! Thank you so much for your time and sharing your perspective. If you ever want to grab coffee and ponder more deep questions - let me know!
@@SemlerMusic Yes! Deep questions are my passion. I'd love to chat more. Please ask the production team for my personal number. :)
Hi William ! Didn't read your book, but I have a few remarks and questions based on the interview :
1) you say evolution doesn't account for the transition of inert matter into living matter (a blurry line by the way when you consider the biodiversity of viruses which can evolve rapidly, but do not reach the criteria of being "alive"), not for the origin of the universe (which is a question for physicists). That's true, but that no scientist ever claimed that. Evolution can only take us as far back as a hypothetical RNA world. Scientists will continue to explore those questions using the scientific method (which always implies questioning what we think we know).
2) Your answer to those questions is to propose the existence of an unmoved mover. As a child who grew up in a multicultural household, Christians never did much to address the question of where God came from. When and how did he begin ? What was there before him ? Hinduism, which is a panentheist religion, seems to answer this question more elegantly by saying the nature of God is the universe (plus some) and God lives and breathes at the same rhythm as the infinite cycles of the universe.
3) Finally I have to call you out on your scepticism about evolution. I imagine if you were in the hospital septicaemia from MRSA (which I hope never happens to you or your loved ones), you wouldn't insist on having amoxicillin instead of the more adequate antibiotic, because you firmly believe microbes cannot evolve antibiotic resistance under pressure from an antibiotic rich environment. And yet you insist that shouldn't be taught in (public!!) schools.
I hope you understand my criticism as firm but friendly. Have a nice day!
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Hey there! Thank you for watching the interview and for commenting. :)
No worries about not reading the book, let’s remedy that right now.
Get the first three chapters free on my site:
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I really appreciate the bullet points, I will respond to each.
1) In the interview I mentioned evolution not being able to account for the origin of the Universe, Life, and all of the diverse species. In the first one of your points, you said “no scientist ever claimed that.”
Well... Scientists are, in fact, claiming that evolution accounts for everything... Cosmic to Chemical to Biological.
Here’s a link to a Harvard-Smithsonian site: www.cfa.harvard.edu/~ejchaisson/cosmic_evolution/docs/splash.html
Although Harvard and the Smithsonian are both organizations I respect, they are misrepresenting science in regard to evolution. Of which, I wish they would use your explanation of science. :)
You said, “Scientists will continue to explore those questions using the scientific method (which always implies questioning what we think we know).” I very much agree with you.
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2) You said, “Your answer to those questions is to propose the existence of an unmoved mover.”
Well, that could be assumed. Yet, I did not answer those questions with this assumption. I generally take a different approach. My work revolves around showing how the current understanding of evolution is deeply flawed and unable to meet the criteria of science. Most would then make the same leap you made and think I am proposing there must have been an “unmoved mover.” I don’t do that, because just putting evolution into question naturally causes folks to then turn toward the idea of a creator of some kind.
Another thing you said in point two was, “Christians never did much to address the question of where God came from.”
You are right. No Christian/Jew can give a good answer to this question. The reason for that has to do with the Judeo-Christian narrative explaining God to be the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. God claimed to be the great I AM... the eternal and timeless One.
It would be weird if a Christian explained to you where God came from. Granted, being a person with a finite amount of time, (I had a very real beginning and someday I will have an end) it can be difficult wrapping my brain around an eternal Creator God, but this analogy has always helped me. :)
A baker uses flour, eggs, milk and sugar to make a cake. Yet, the baker is not made of flour, eggs, milk, and sugar. The baker is outside of and independent of flour, eggs, milk, and sugar.
God used space, time, energy, and matter to make the Universe. Yet, God is not made of space, time, energy, and matter. God is outside of and independent of space, time, energy, and matter.
Of course, analogies are never perfect and I am sure there are flaws, but I hope it helps you as much as it has helped me.
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3) You said, “Finally I have to call you out on your scepticism about evolution.”
This is an interesting thing to say. My questioning of evolution actually coincides with your understanding of science, of which I agree. Remember, you said... “Scientists will continue to explore those questions using the scientific method (which always implies questioning what we think we know).”
I question the validity of evolution because it does not produce empirical data. One of the many aspects of evolutionary research is to look for transitional fossils, (the missing link) which is a biased assumption that evolution is true before any fossil evidence is found. Not very scientific.
By definition, my scientific skepticism of evolution is, in fact, scientific.
WEBSTER: scientific skepticism is an impartial attitude of the mind previous to investigation.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scientific%20skepticism
As for your example when it comes to micro-organisms, I agree! Yes, they adapt. No one questions that, because adaptation is real... yet adaptation is not synonymous with evolution.
So, at this point we must ask... what is evolution?
Well, I’m glad we are to this point. Grace interviewed me on her show, because I wrote a book called What is Evolution.
In my book, I do not refer to Creationist materials. I refer to scientific journals, evolutionary biologists, and court transcripts. I make a non-religious case that evolution is purposely undefined because it does not meet the criteria of science and is unlawful to be taught in the public classroom.
Thank you for the conversation.
Sincerely,
William
@@ready.set.question. Evolution and the subsequent progress in research into life sciences does account for the diversity of life to the best of my knowledge. The link you provide (www.cfa.harvard.edu/~ejchaisson/cosmic_evolution/docs/splash.html) shows a 2000s era pop science generalization of the history of the universe. Those are valuable resources (science should be made accessible in my opinion), even if they aren’t completely up to date with current debate in research.
If you’re arguing against scientism as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosphy as “a positive epistemic attitude toward the content of our best theories and models, recommending belief in both observable and unobservable aspects of the world described by the sciences”, I have more sympathy to your argument that you think.
However, your particular contention is that despite overwhelming evidence, the basics of human evolution are so wrong that they shouldn’t be taught in school. From a secular perspective, that makes me deeply suspicious - as suspicious as when I see a revisionist version of history written in history textbooks (a current example of that would be the BJP trying to rewrite the history of India as a Hindu nation and Muslim presence as foreign). You say yourself that you have no difficulty believing microbes “adapt” to their environment, I’m pretty sure you’d take my word for it if I said I designed and selected for mutations and created my own strain of C. elegans in the lab using basic understanding of genetics and reproduction and selecting traits that’s largely built on the back of research on evolution. It only bothers you when we get to human nature, and it makes me think you’re pushing a religious agenda.
Indeed, it’s not at all natural to think of a single creator when confronted with the mystery of not how, but why we exist. Monotheism is a relatively new meme the course of human history. Judaism and Christianity have roots in pre-Abrahamic polytheistic religions, and the majority of humans alive today don’t believe in a creation myth as proposed by the Bible.
Let’s now adress the baker metaphor. Knee-jerk reaction is that if God had half the work ethic of an average baker, there would be no childhood cancer, but moving beyond that the metaphor breaks down quickly. The baker is most certainly made of carbon and oxygen and hydrogen and a sprinkle of other atoms, just like the flour and eggs and milk. Let’s entertain that god is made of a material outside of our world and beyond our imagination - why exactly does he get a say on what is taught in classrooms in non-religious schools ?
I also see the both the lack of “empirical data” in natural sciences (how do you intend to do a double blind control study where half the participants don’t evolve ?) and the “missing link” (a decades old trope used to misrepresent the history of humanoid species) red herrings in this debate.
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I am LOVING this series! Chiming in 6 months late: my physics teacher in HS had a 2 second explanation for how he was able to be a Christian and believe in science. It blew my atheist mind. I've never forgotten it. "Science is the how, religion is the why". There was zero conflict for him.
This is the refinery29 content I subscribed for ❤️
I rewatch State of Grace episodes every weekend. They’re so informative and Grace has such an open mind or at least addresses when she doesn’t, so it just opens me up to hearing new things as well. I love the editing and structure, every episode is well made and rewatchable. ❤️
great video! i just wish it was way longer! state of grace is my favorite segment
We agree, love Grace! Thank you for watching our videos!
I would choose a different title . I like that Grace seems to do genuine research from multiple perspectives on an issue. As a Christian I do believe in science, take medicine, and use modern conveniences. However the question of where did life itself and universe come from is not answered by science. (At least not yet) I would need to do in depth research to understand and know all the ins and outs of the theory of evolution.
+christina Thanks for your feedback!!
Do you not trust the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community ? I don't understand particle physics beyond basic applications of Schrodinger's equation and the basics of radioactive decay, but I trust the physicists that specialize in that area, and I observe that our tools in nuclear medicine work, ie : I wouldn't know how to theoretically demonstrate the existence of a positron, but I still believe in PET scans.
Christina, I have done that research, and in the absence of any proof from macro evolutionists, who deny any evidence if they can't prove it to their way of thinking, meaning that they have replaced God with themselves, it is not difficult to work out that if atheists say it doesn't exist, it usually means that it does exist as the truth is they don't want it to exist. that in itself is insufficient evidence that it does not exist.
The whole atheist evolutionist position is based totally on conjecture. How do we know this? Because no two atheist evolutionists agree with each other. They have admitted no atheist evolutionist speak for another atheist evolutionist.
So what it amounts to is you pays your money and you make your choice. That by any stretch of the imagination is not science.
I don’t think religion prevents people from going into science. My grandfather was a catholic til the day he died and he had a PhD in organic chemistry. Two of his sons also hold advanced science degrees (both PhDs) and a couple of my cousins went into is as well, all catholic.
Now, that didn’t mean he was PROGRESSIVE, or consistent in his belief in science. Lol
That is a lie that the atheists like to propagate because they have tunnel vision that does not allow them to see the wider picture. All they can see is a false belief system that has no evidence so they have to cover their tracks by rubbishing the opposition.
As someone who is working through deconstruction faith wise and is majoring in environmental science, this is so good! It offten feels like people belive my commitment for one undermines my commitment to the other.
Willie needs some serious education on HUMANE fish keeping.
You will notice that its only the Christians that push their belief of creation. Not other faith beliefs.
Teresa Simpson Other religions don’t have a push to convert people like Christianity sadly does
Other faith systems do, but Christianity is worse. I don’t even know which one is worse, Orthodoxism, Catholicism, or the ones in the US and UK.
trash boat I think thats because in this video, she was focusing specifically on Hard-Core creationism vs darwinism. Plus, no one else I’ve personally heard of is repressing the science of evolution because it seemingly contradicts with what they are pushing onto anyone and everyone, though it would be naïve to believe they are not out there.
I would love a very long documentary or docu-series, though, that goes in depth on all different versions of the Creation Myths in all the different religions.
Maybe because jewes ans muslims believe in the exact same thing? Like it´s the same story
Jesus rose from the dead.
Typical Evangelical thinking: "I went a did some reading cause I was interested in the topic. Unfortunately my findings were not in line with my preconceived ideas, so I decided those finding were wrong."
Also, this "Creation Museum" probably didn't want cameras because they know the only people who go there are other Christians whose beliefs are gonna be affirmed there. They don't want skeptics on the internet to see it and bombard them with evidence of why none of this craziness makes any sense.
PBS did a documentary there, and it went as well as you'd expect. That's probably why they won't let anyone else film.
The only thing that doesn't make any sense is a persons uncritical belief in the theory of macro evolution. I have read enough books to know that macro evolution is not possible from a biological perspective. The earth was created in six days by God in a very specific pattern as it was intended to last for thousands of years and for that to happen, it was created with different aspects to be reliant on other aspects of creation, as David Attenborough has show so eloquently in his nature series on TV.
To say that creation evolved over millions of years is not possible as certain aspects of it would have died off before the next bit evolved.
@@s-truth no actually that isn't how it works, animals adapted to the earth as it changed, we just keep adapting and evolving and there is real tangible scientific proof for it. Its not falsifiable its simply the truth, the earth is billions of years old, 4.5 billion I think
@@stanzaschulz4339 Sorry stanza but serious discussion is not based on "I think" If I presented a paper at university based on what I think my mark would have been zero.
@@stanzaschulz4339 No problem but you will find that amongst the adaptation nothing changed from being what it was. The breed of dog that lived in a cold climate grew long hair but it never stopped being that breed of dog. And the same breed that lived in a hot climate grew short hair but still the same dog.
I'm pansexual,and growing up in a unsupportive Christian family and this is a debate that has made my family force my friends away from me because they don't believe in God. I'm scared I might get sent to conversion therapy because it is legal in my state,and my family has threatned me with it because I don't believe some things my family does.
Great deep dive.
I really enjoy the direction that Refinery 29 is taking with talking about topics that are a little less talked about!
One of the conversation that was brought up in my youth group by us youth was that God’s perception of time is different then ours a day for God could very well be millions of years. In the Bible Jesus said he would come back soon, it’s been two thousand years!!! I believe that God guided and shaped the earth to be what it is today, I believe that he put the universe and world into existence and guided it to his plan and his will. A lot of other kids in the youth group and the youth leader agreed with my stand point which only further backed it up, sooo yeah that’s what I believe creation wise
There is no contradiction - spirituality & science, they are one , as per folks like Einstein , Sir Isaac Newton ...and many others. There’s only a conflict if you take texts like “the Bible” literally . In the end, believe and practice what is right for you .
I kind of love this interviewer. She is so likeable and hears out everyone no matter which side of the fence they are on. And lets the facts speak for itself. In this case, that evolution is real.
I went to college. I am not a dummy” - there are a lot of people in college or who were that are dumb. Going to college doesn’t make you smart. Evolution may not be able to explain everything but that does not allow for something that has yet to be proven to take its place. Because one does not agree with something does not mean they can make something up to replace it. I have no intellect respect for that evangelist. The most compelling argument ( meaning interesting) is entanglement theory.
In the USA anyone who can afford college can go but in many countries in Europe and around the world not anyone can get in . The one who don’t have the grades and test scores to move to the college level are given the option to go to technical schools or learn a trade .
I remember being in church as a kid and a pastor or leader telling me a story of how he took an "F"on a paper on school on Evolution instead of writing it because it was not right. I remember being so bewildered at the idea and thinking that I'd never do that though I'm pretty sure I believed in it back then. I would be beyond upset if someone told me child that today.
Christianity isn’t the only faith/religion. This video only highlights science and Christianity. There are many religions such as Islam where science and faith don’t contradict
mahinh1211 Very true. Exploring different faiths is definitely an area where I can see the show growing.
Ricky Gervais had a nice way of putting it, in terms of religion and science. If you remove all books, everything we know about science and everything we know about religion, in 2000 years, science will give us the exact same answers. But all we know about religion will be completely different. Science is fact, opinions are not. And religion is an opinion. If there was something called God, we all would worship the same God, and not 4,200 different opinions of that God. (I will say that I'm a "religion freak" cause I love reading about it. Religion in Old Egypt is my favorite so far. Maybe it's because I don't understand how you can believe in something that's not there, and maybe I'll get the surprise of a lifetime when I die :') )
Science changes all the time. Ppl believed the earth was flat, that germs werent real, heliocentrism and so many more illogical ideas. The bible had already stated the earth was round and how to care for sick ppl and dead bodies. It also explained how to treat others. The bible talked about the water cycle. And about how the earth would get ruined over time (which some ppl still refuse to acknowledge). The bible has explained things that ppl have only recently understood. Scientific understandings have changed and still do change. The bible has always and its teachings will always stay the same. Hope this was helpful, calming, and encouraging for all to hear. 🙏✌
@@starr7093 The teachings will stay the same, if people let it. It was written by humans and humans can change it. It has a bigger variable than science 👌🏻
@@bbarbie1990 and humans write textbooks. But we trust those even though from one year or decade to the next we get new info that makes the textbooks outdated. Knowledge about science has and will change. The bibles message wont. The bible was written by men but the message is from God
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@@starr7093 Have you studied the history of medicine and religion? I have and you're talking utter shit. The bible supports flat earth theory and the idea that the earth is central to the galaxy.. which the church argued for decades until science got so advanced telescopes could be used and it was proven to be the sun. Embarrassing for the church really hence Atheism has grown over history. The bible was written by humans with brains that can observe.. im sure they saw human greed and corruption so its nothing amazing to predict earth will get contaminated/ 'ruined'. Although more people have wealth then during many hundreds of years.. a common person lives better then a King during medieval times.
Also MASSIVE DIFFERENCE: People never didnt believe in germs.. they didnt KNOW about germs.. because you cannot seem them with the naked eye. It was a scientist who proved germs exist.
The catholic church banned medical practise for many years and ran crusades killing those that opposed the church and supported science. Alexandria and all the medical discoveries during the ancient times, greek, roman got destroyed by the church throwing Europe into what was known as the dark ages later. During the plague people walked the streets whipping themselves asking God for forgiveness making them have open wounds and immediate infection and spread of plague as much wasn't known about bacteria but thanks to a scientific discovery we learnt about germs and transformed the world.
The bible hasn't explained a single thing that science had not explained once before if you studied from multiple sources and not just from 1 (I'm guessing you probably read online stuff from religious people/ the church only lol).
You are part of the reason people believe in a flat earth.. because you spread bullshit and at the end try make people feel better about life through false info.. its actually insane how ignorant and uneducated you are. hope you feel calm and encouraged .
googley3 Great explanation!
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Show me the evidence, there literally is not evidence to show that we evolved from apes or pond scum, etc... It's an assumption because we exist, and rejecting God we ultimately try to connect the dots to other creatures and methods. But that doesn't mean it's true, and to say it's not true doesn't mean you reject scientific study.
Evolution isn't compatible with God creating life perfectly BEFORE THE FALL, BEFORE DEATH. Any evolution is only after the fact, after God created. There are modern day animals fossilized alongside dinosaurs. Keep your ideology or wake up, it's a choice. We'll all stand for one side or the other, it can't be both ways.
Thanks for this piece that is, once again, asking good questions and remaining open to other perspectives. I appreciate that Grace continues to make pieces like this.
+nicolefields Thanks for appreciating the details!!
The smarter a society gets the less religious they get.
The smarter a society thinks they get the less religious they get.
@@bluckamey and the morals go down the tubes.
DJUniMekaju not inherently so bud
I don't know where you got that silly idea. Last century was the year of the Christian scientists. Many of them were atheists and when they were presented with the truth, the converted to Christianity. I have read their books that told their stories so you are out on a limb on that one.
@@s-truth I never said there were no Christian scientists. If you look at the numbers the amount of people involved in organized religion is going down. Just because there's Christian scientists doesn't mean there aren't less than there was 50 or 100 years ago.
When I was on first day of College, after an introductory speech from the College of Arts and Sciences, I met and discussed with one of the faculty members with my parents, and I remember a few set of words that he said, that still resonates with me to this day - "God was the "who", and evolution was the "how""
Aww your dogs are so cute
S.A. Huber Thank you!
Grace is awesome as usual. Really great episode.
I do have some trouble sympathizing with people who reject evolution because “it conflicts with their faith”, when the bible itself is conflictive. Not to enter into a lot of detail here, but in a world where presbyterians, protestants, evangelicals, catholics, methodists exist side by side, maybe we should acknowledge the book isn’t so spot on and that it can be interpreted multiple ways.
What evolution are you talking about? In case you did not know there are two sorts. macro and micro. Macro is Genesis and micro can be found in all sorts of situations. The atheistic evolutionist does not believe in either of them unless it removes God from the narrative even though they cannot prove that the creation story in Genesis is not true.
I was raised Catholic, and in Catholic schools I attended, evolution was always taught as fact while Genesis was understood to be folklore or metaphorical. At no point was this controversial.
Grace is really good at doing interviews
+ladida She’s the best!!
“I went to college. I’m not a dumby.” 😹
I think one important thing to keep in mind is that evolution does not explain how life came to be; it explains how populations change over time. The origin of life is still a debated subject. Did it happen in a puddle, the deep sea, in bedrock, etc? But I cannot understand how you cannot accept evolution as fact, when there is so much evidence.
"Most theologians dont" was the most accurate stance and understanding of scholarly work in Christianity. Most theologians don't agree with common Christians.
I love that you show your wife🌈🌈❤️
I was raised Baha'i, and was taught that science and religion go hand-in-hand. Reading genesis from that framework, it was obvious to me that genesis was an allegory for the big bang and evolution. I once joined a Christian bible study group, and the way that I interpreted all the stories in the bible was so different them. For example, when Jesus' followers all came to see him, and many were hungry, Jesus shared the last of his food, then the food multiplied and there was enough for everyone. My Christians read this as a miracle of god (basically magic), where as I read it that Jesus' example of generosity inspired others to share what food they had, and in doing so there was enough food for all (leadership).
great video, Grace and team. also loved the wife and dogs cameo
+craftysunshine Thanks for watching!
My first major was Biology and as a then-conservative Christian I grappled with evolution (the first introduction was a single short paragraph in a textbook and I spent HOURS over it) but the more I learned I felt in the same boat as the lady from Pepperdine. It became more reassuring of my faith even. If we take the Bible too literally there is no space for science or even compassion for people different from us
How am I supposed to believe a version in a book when there are so many different stories of how we came to earth. All of the stories have to do with the same gd. Doesn't make sense. Evolution, when researched, makes the most sense because it is simply proven.
What do you mean in the first 2 sentences of your comment
It’s not simply proven.. it’s called “the THEORY of evolution” for a reason
Sorry Annabelle evolution as propounded by atheist evolutionists have not proved anything. The only thing they have proved is they don't know how life on earth began evidenced by multitudes of theories about the subject.
How did a channel so often mocked in the past for odd makeup trends, step forward in this thoughtful conversation about religion? How? Grace Baldridge, you are a blessing. This series is beautiful. I'm subscribing to Refinery just for you and if they'll make more thoughtful content like yours, I'm here for it.
I. Love. This. Series.
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+abigailreeves Yay!! Us too! :)
As long as you're not hurting anyone. .Or taking away other's ability to be themselves..its all good.
It doesn’t say anywhere that G-ds day was 24 hours. They could’ve been millions of years, which could work with the theory of evolution.
It said in the Bible that sin entered the world through Adam and Eve eating the apple. So there would’ve been no death or suffering (which was caused by sin) before that time. If your theory of Gods days being millions of years were true, there would’ve HAD to have been death because plants and animals would’ve died during that time. So believing in evolution and being a christian isn’t possible because you would have to say that sin entered the world before Adam and Eve ate the fruit.
The Hebrew word 'yom' means "day," not thousands, millions or billions of years. Theistic evolution makes even less sense than atheistic evolution. I understand the desire to remain faithful to the Holy Bible and adhere to genuine science...but there is NO conflict between them. There IS conflict between God's Word and the false religious beliefs of abiogenesis and macroevolution.
Joseph Nadeau I know what yom means, I’m Israeli. I’m just saying there’s no way of knowing if gods idea of a day is the same idea we made for ourselves
Alayna Reynolds I’m not saying day isn’t 24 hours, I’m saying that the “days” that god created the world in weren’t necessarily what we define as days
Yosepha Hook I mean it says pretty clearly that there was evening and then morning- the first day. I don’t think He could be any clearer than that.. I was addressing how you said that it didn’t say anywhere in the Bible about days being millions of years when it’s pretty clear that it does
Just found this channel, watched 2 videos, and I'm convinced it's brilliant.
I'm not a believer. I don't personally value religion, but Grace tackles the most explosive issues like a freak'n wizard.
Whatever incompatibility there is between science and religion is completely man made. It doesn't seem as though god has weighed in one way or another.
If god did use evolution to shape life, anyone saying he didn't is doing him a disservice, and should probably be careful about definitive statements.
Great video Grace. My reply to the evangelist would be that one of the recurring themes in Proverbs is to "Get wisdom, get insight". Is it not God who has blessed scientists with the knowledge, insight and talents to discover and implement the things in nature which we now rely on. Taking that in to full context is then not a refusal of God to allow these advances to be found.
Show me the evidence, there literally is not evidence to show that we evolved from apes or pond scum, etc... It's an assumption because we exist, and rejecting God we ultimately try to connect the dots to other creatures and methods. But that doesn't mean it's true, and to say it's not true doesn't mean you reject scientific study.
Evolution isn't compatible with God creating life perfectly BEFORE THE FALL, BEFORE DEATH. Any evolution is only after the fact, after God created. There are modern day animals fossilized alongside dinosaurs. Keep your ideology or wake up, it's a choice. We'll all stand for one side or the other, it can't be both ways.
@@peachbun We literally share 96 to 98.8% of our DNA with chimpanzees...
It would be an "assumption because we exist" to think that humans are supernaturally set apart from other animals.
@@PantherGX I don't think we "literally" share our DNA with them, I mean, I know I never never gave my DNA to one. But maybe you meant we share similarities with them.
But this similarity doesn't then equal we are evolved from them.
God is free to create everything he wants with similar qualities, since he is the Creator, it makes sense that they would.
You may want something drastically different to prove humans are set apart, but there is no reason to say God had to do that.
But, I would say it takes a lot of faith to think that in the supposed BILLIONS of years of existence( and I'm not saying we were created in 6 literal days either, since the original Hebrew can interpret day as a span of time ) , only humans would stand as the most intelligent species that dominates all others, and there is no proof of any other intelligent creature emerging to even challenge us at any time, despite how random "some" people want to claim everything is.
If we're all just evolved pond scum, there should be some others aside from humans.
The point made about how many theologians do not read the Bible as literal is what gets me. After many years of being taught that literal reading is the only way to be faithful, the thing that ironically got me to accept both religion and science in harmony was...actually taking a religion class. Turns out theology professors are actually pretty good at deconstructing fundie ways of thinking, because they've spent so long studying the historical contexts behind sacred texts that literal readings ignore.
"evolution can't tell us how the universe came into existence" yeah neither can religion
Obviously you have not read the bible. A book that is the best selling book of all time. If you can disassociate yourself from religion and focus on Christianity, you will learn what the truth is.
There is no conflict between the creation story and micro evolution. The conflict comes because atheistic scientists do not want to give God any credence to creation so they invent all sorts of fairy stories to cover their tracks and all they do is make themselves look foolish with all their differing views on creation, none of which is backed up by evidence. it is only their opinion and that is not scientific.
Grace, I really respect your ability in these videos to have fruitful conversations with people you severely disagree with.
I love the discussion on the ontology of humans, but can we keep agree to keep creationism outside of science class in primary and secondary education ? There's already a place for it in religious education and philosophy classes. Science class isn't just about the conclusions we arrive at, it also teaches the scientific method. Discussions in philosophy and theology present a different way of thinking, which are valuable and deserve their own space - just not in science class.
Scientists aren't seeking to encroach on your faith, so please don't try to impress on young malleable minds that creationism and evolution are competing theories. I'd say the same thing if lobbyists were pushing to teach climate change denial in science class, or political parties were re writing the history curriculum to suit their ideology (as has happened and continues to happen in many parts of the world, India for example).
The science of evolution cannot exist unless it includes the story of creation. It is like starting a ball game in the second quarter. Atheistic evolutionists have not proved the creation story is not true, so until they do (and they won't) it has to be part of the narrative about creation and evolution.
It is more scientific and biological than macro evolution which is based on opinion not science, so to give students the true picture, it cannot be done without including the creation narrative from the bible.
The teacher has to say we are giving you this information because no one has proved it is not true and no one has an alternative scientific narrative that is provable.
@@s-truth How many creation myths do you expect a biology teacher to be able to explain ?
And who created the god that created the universe ? From there it's turtles all the way down.
Our universe is the result of a random fluctuation in some kind of background that doesn't exist in time or space. There are definitely parts of our universe too far to ever be able to access, and probably multiple universes with different properties, most of which are not suited to "life".
Grace, thank you - from the bottom of my heart - for what you are doing. I’ve been following you for a while, and your truly authentic search to find where Christianity and its beliefs and doctrines fit within modern society, is so unique and needed right now. Thank you for asking these questions and creating these videos. You’re helping more people than you may realize. XOXO 💜💜💜
5:53.... just because there is a consensus on something does not mean it’s true and viceversa. Why should we teach creationism, then, when so many thousands of belief systems exist that say opposing things?
Very simple. No one has proved that the creation story in the Bible is not true.
I’m an anthropology student and a Christian. God is so powerful, who are we to say what He can and can’t do? Saying that God had to create the world in 6 days is limiting God to human understanding.
Christians are the reason I rolled my eyes alll the time
I appreciated that either side was presented respectfully. Thank you Grace! I personally feel like science and faith are compatible and that there is just going to be areas we will never truly understand. One thing I'd like to mention is that the religious (not all but a subsection of Christianity) argument that creation was seven 24 hr days is incorrect. Our understanding of time and God's timing is very different (at least what I understand and believe it to be from what I was taught). The verses that explains this is: 2 Peter 3:8; Psalm 90:4 - "a day is as a thousand years to the Lord". I hope this gives a little insight. I feel like Grace and I could have the most deep, mind blowing conversation about this. :)
+lauriebell Thank you for leaving this lovely comment here! :)
Christian and science lover here: God created science to lead us to him. The more I learned about evolution, the more it cemented the idea of intelligent design to me. Animals evolve to release stress hormones through their eyes? Boom, crying as a natural coping mechanism. Making a Self-sustaining population was part of Gods intelligent design for free will, and evolution is one more piece of the puzzle to understanding Gods design.
Im a Catholic ( a former Altar Boy amd now a Lay Minister) and I see no problem pf actually being a Christian and believing in evolution or in scientific concepts in general. Currently writing my Master Thesis on the Correlation of Religiosity and Attitude towards Science and as far as my thesis is going, the conflict is basically brought about by the people and not from the concepts themselves.
The dogs are so cute~
kim jennie Yes they are!
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this is how religion should be discussed. For me seriously, I'm still roman catholic by birth (no choice) but honestly I thank the teachings of Buddhism for enlightening me. I still read bible verses and so does Buddhism scriptures. You'd be surprised how similar some verses and scriptures are. What I don't like about being too religious are the extremists or people who are self righteous, just because someone goes to church and reads the bible. Doesn't mean they're God or closer to God. If someone is close to God it is everyone, we all have our right near him.
But there are always things for each of us to learn.
So, someone might correct you according to God's word and you could either disregard them and say they are being self-righteous, or you could assume they are your brother or sister in Christ who is sharing something with you.
For instance, God does warn us about keeping the traditions of men, rather than his word.
The Sabbath was never changed from the 7th day that God sanctified and made holy. His ten commandments written in stone and even kept in the ark of the covenant weren't changed or destroyed. Jesus himself said he did not come to change or destroy the law, and nothing would pass away from it until heaven and Earth pass away, and that has not happened.
But the Roman Catholic Church professes they hold the power to change God's word, to change the Sabbath even, and will even teach people to pray to statues of Mary who is dead, when this is not biblical at all. It's a form of idolatry. God warned in prophecy that men would think to change times and laws...
You also do not need any middle man to confess to, in order to ask for forgiveness from God.
It's just a matter of confusion that we can clear away, and that would bring us closer to doing what God says is right.
It can be called extremism to talk about what God says is right, or it could be called good according to God's own word...
As for other religions having similar teachings... Well, fundamentally something that is good will be good, but despite similar teachings, they lack the power and authority of God, and his plan of salvation not through our own efforts, but by repenting for breaking his law and trusting in Him alone to change our heart and mind away from the ways of this broken world.