Series that Made a Poor Jump to 3D

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  • čas přidán 17. 09. 2021
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    322 - With new technology emerging and everything going 3D, the creators of many popular 2D franchises had a tough decision to make when it came to evolving the series to 3D. Sometimes it didn't work out that well.
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  • @GameSack
    @GameSack  Před 2 lety +82

    What are some games you feel didn't transition to 3D very well? Are there any you think got better by going 3D?

    • @Vaecord91
      @Vaecord91 Před 2 lety +21

      Best example IMO is Castlevania honestly

    • @moonbilal707
      @moonbilal707 Před 2 lety +13

      Street Fighter EX series by Akira
      Prince of Persia 3D aka Arabian Nights on Sega Dreamcast
      Also *cough cough* Golden Axe Beast Rider and Final Fight Streetwise, which you already covered in Franchise Killers episode.

    • @startedtech
      @startedtech Před 2 lety +5

      I think Pokemon transitioned to 'proper' 3D poorly with Sword & Shield. I'm sure a lot of people will disagree, but oh well!

    • @JetWolfEX
      @JetWolfEX Před 2 lety +7

      I guess most people would say Metal Gear was better in 3D
      The only other example I can think of is the Worms series going 3D, it was awful
      Edit: I remember another one, Sonic wings/Aero Fighters, the N64 game was bad enough to bankrupt the developer and end the series
      There's a lot of bad 3D N64 sequels to 2D series not previously from a Nintendo system now that I think about it...

    • @MortimerZabi
      @MortimerZabi Před 2 lety +4

      Shinobi on the PS2 was definitely good but hard for its time--probably the hardest ninja game until Ninja Gaiden upstaged it 2 years later. Speaking of Ninja Gaiden, that franchise also got better in 3D.
      As for games that got worse in 3D, you could mention how Samurai Shodown on the Neo Geo 64 was a wash at best and a step down at worst.

  • @Mystemo
    @Mystemo Před 2 lety +33

    Interesting (and disturbing) fact. The Swedish manual for the Mega Drive version of Paperboy was incredibly hilariously poorly translated even by the standards at the time. The worst offense being translating The Grim Reaper to "the vicious rapist". I'm seriously not joking!

  • @0dayrepairs
    @0dayrepairs Před 2 lety +168

    "GameSack? More like BallSack!"
    Beautiful. 10/10. It's a masterpiece.

  • @MrJechgo
    @MrJechgo Před 2 lety +57

    Don’t forget that in X7, Mega Man X himself is an unlockable character… Yes, the titular protagonist isn’t playable at the start…

    • @VideoGameStupidLC
      @VideoGameStupidLC Před 2 lety

      @RockManLP_Radio Damn... I thought this comment was going the usual route whenever someone says "titular" on this channel...

    • @coreylineberry8557
      @coreylineberry8557 Před rokem +1

      @@VideoGameStupidLC Did you just say tits?

  • @theoldpcgamer77
    @theoldpcgamer77 Před 2 lety +40

    Maximo was pretty good. Colourful and smooth good to play.

    • @cj694x2
      @cj694x2 Před 2 lety +1

      Yes. I've only played the second one, Army of Zin, but it was a solid game and really fun.

    • @Videogamelover58
      @Videogamelover58 Před 2 lety +2

      @@cj694x2 Army of Zin is amazing!

  • @obsidianchao
    @obsidianchao Před 2 lety +57

    I never even knew there WAS an Earthworm Jim 3. I guess that’s how bad it is.

  • @shirakawanaoya
    @shirakawanaoya Před 2 lety +44

    Man. I gotta say something. I have been following this channel for years and every time you post something new it's like a drug and I just have to see it or add it to my watch later list to see it as a winding down therapy kind of thing.

    • @deftones8717
      @deftones8717 Před 2 lety +8

      Same dude… I’m over here trying to devise a way to mainline this video somehow… my syringe keeps clogging though …. No really though, I seriously do get a nice surge of dopamine every time Joe posts a video. I get such a feel good vibe from seeing all of the older, forgotten games of my childhood, plus Joe is just funny as hell and he’s awesome! Cheers man 🍻💉🥄💊

    • @cambrodia3189
      @cambrodia3189 Před 2 lety +2

      I agree. GameSack is a top tier gaming channel. I think of Joe and Dave like cake and frosting respectively.

    • @razzledazzle4934
      @razzledazzle4934 Před 2 lety +1

      Same. I get really hyped

  • @ItsAWonderfulKnife
    @ItsAWonderfulKnife Před 2 lety +107

    Joe "If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis!" Redifer

    • @martinrc80
      @martinrc80 Před 2 lety +9

      More like, Joe “if peeing your pants is cool, consider me Greeeeeeeendooooooog” Redifer
      (Yes I know your quote is from Billy Madison).

    • @ItsAWonderfulKnife
      @ItsAWonderfulKnife Před 2 lety +2

      @@martinrc80 😄👍

    • @schnarfschnarf5886
      @schnarfschnarf5886 Před 2 lety +4

      No I will not make out with you Martin!

    • @hi_tech_reptiles
      @hi_tech_reptiles Před rokem +1

      Isn't that from Billy Madison?

  • @TheMountainDemon
    @TheMountainDemon Před 2 lety +17

    The bits at the end always have me rolling!

    • @yittmashups
      @yittmashups Před 2 lety

      Yes, always a nice reward for those who stay to the end of video.

  • @YusefAbonamah
    @YusefAbonamah Před 2 lety +68

    Maximo is honestly a really good game, you just have to give it a chance because it's brutally difficult at the begining.

    • @robwaters8848
      @robwaters8848 Před 2 lety +4

      It really is an amazing game.

    • @user-pj8zl4ex8o
      @user-pj8zl4ex8o Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah. . .

    • @RobotMonkeytron
      @RobotMonkeytron Před 2 lety +5

      Agreed, I enjoyed Maximo back in the day, but never got very far in it. Absolutely not a bad game, just freaking hard!

    • @likestoPlayInPuddles
      @likestoPlayInPuddles Před 2 lety +3

      It takes after the first few games in the series by keeping the difficulty. But I enjoyed that tbh

    • @YusefAbonamah
      @YusefAbonamah Před 2 lety +2

      I feel like i has that difficulty like a classic Resident Evil, it kicks your ass at the begining, but then you start understanding the flow of the gameplay.

  • @ThoroughlyBaked
    @ThoroughlyBaked Před 2 lety +35

    When you first mentioned Mega Man I was thinking "Oh no... he isn't going to crap on Legends is he?" But you crapped on X7 and that's completely fine.
    As to how anyone could enjoy Bubsy? Well... when you're 9 and only got a couple new games every year, you made do with with what you had. Even when a well meaning parent bought you Bubsy.

    • @lukasperuzovic1429
      @lukasperuzovic1429 Před 2 lety +1

      I was hoping he would

    • @PsychomachineryEBM
      @PsychomachineryEBM Před 2 lety +2

      Legends are good the way they are, because their different gameplay.

    • @alexrekzu4079
      @alexrekzu4079 Před 2 lety +1

      legends is a good game fite me

    • @IncredibleMD
      @IncredibleMD Před 2 lety

      @@lukasperuzovic1429 Same. He should've. If that game wasn't Mega Man branded, it'd be laughed at.

    • @Ryusuta
      @Ryusuta Před 2 lety

      Agree. Megaman Legends was slightly flawed, but very fun. And Legends 2 improved on things and spiced it up a bit.

  • @AllieRX
    @AllieRX Před 2 lety +6

    Mortal Kombat 4 was fun. The best part is when you defeat Shinnok at the end and he gets flushed down a giant toilet.

    • @alexbiehn978
      @alexbiehn978 Před 2 lety +4

      agreed mk4 was great...much better than mk11 for me personally

    • @GuiOmania
      @GuiOmania Před 2 lety +2

      And the legendary game over screen when you fall into the spike !!!

  • @MrRom92DAW
    @MrRom92DAW Před 2 lety +5

    I have such good memories of the early 3D days. Some of these feel clunky nowadays but there are times where an of-the-era below average 3D platformer is just what the doctor ordered

  • @musickid43
    @musickid43 Před 2 lety +3

    Joe: What games improved by going to 3D?
    Me: Duke Nukem I believe sold way more when it moved to 3D.

  • @diegorojas2049
    @diegorojas2049 Před 2 lety +37

    And to this day, konami hasn't learned their lesson with 3D contra games

    • @gaylordfocker7990
      @gaylordfocker7990 Před 2 lety +6

      Shattered Soldier and Neo Contra were fun.

    • @mrdeatheli
      @mrdeatheli Před 2 lety +5

      Well, they haven't made real games in years.

    • @TheKnutification
      @TheKnutification Před 2 lety +7

      what are you talking about? pachinko machines are 4d O.o they evolved beyond us

    • @Jinzo9988
      @Jinzo9988 Před 2 lety +3

      The first 3D Contra game came out too early because there were games eventually that really worked well as shooters from that perspective... probably when twin-stick shooters became a thing, but that would come years later. The first 3D Contra game came out so early that one stick wasn't even a thing on the Playstation yet let alone somebody coming up with the idea of using two. So on some level, I give that game leniency. Shouldn't have played that way by design without sticks, but it is what it is. By the time Rogue Corps came out though... yeah. It did have the right idea and did the twin-stick shooter thing, but its design was atrocious. Among the numerous things wrong with it, I thought it needed to do the same thing that Sonic Generations did where it's equal parts old and new.

    • @AlucardsQuest
      @AlucardsQuest Před 2 lety

      @@gaylordfocker7990 Shattered Soldier is still pretty much 2D... 2.5D if you prefer.

  • @GuestZer0
    @GuestZer0 Před 2 lety +55

    Even Konami's worst TMNT games were better than most of Ubisoft and Activison's. Seriously though, glad you could see some positives, that 2003 game is a favorite of mine.

    • @volo870
      @volo870 Před 2 lety

      Prince of Persia?

    • @PotbellyPunch
      @PotbellyPunch Před 2 lety +2

      @@volo870 Ubisoft and Activision made a bunch of really bad TMNT brawlers after the Konami ps2 ones.

    • @gluttonousmaximus9048
      @gluttonousmaximus9048 Před 2 lety +6

      Try the GBA release of that Konami TMNT game. 2D. Platforming and beat'em up. Music isn't as audacious but still.

    • @PotbellyPunch
      @PotbellyPunch Před 2 lety +3

      @@gluttonousmaximus9048 oh yeah the TMNT gba game for the cgi movie is a really solid beat em up

    • @mmert138
      @mmert138 Před 2 lety +1

      Actually the TMNT 2007 game was not bad. İt drew a lot of inspiration from PoP games with lots of platforming and parkouring.

  • @InsidiousOne
    @InsidiousOne Před 2 lety +13

    Never played this 3D Off Road game, but to be honest it looks perfectly fine. Seen much worse racing games of this era.

    • @PJBonoVox
      @PJBonoVox Před 2 lety

      I don't understand why he never once mentioned that Super Off-Road is an arcade game.

  • @Tylerson
    @Tylerson Před 2 lety +17

    GTA would likely be the best jump from 2D to 3D. A series that I never thought made a great jump to 3D was Pitfall, though. Perhaps playable but the 2D ones will always be a better experience.

    • @MrDebauch
      @MrDebauch Před 2 lety

      i guess metal gear too even if the 2d ones weren't bad. same goes for duke nukem.. the first two games were great, but 3 is the one that defined the franchise... not sure on the more recent releases though.

    • @l.marhault
      @l.marhault Před 2 lety

      I want to say the first Pitfall 3D (awful game) had narration by Bruce Campbell, but it didn't help.

    • @Zontar82
      @Zontar82 Před 2 lety

      @@MrDebauch duke 3d is the latest best of the series. the rest are crap

    • @MrDebauch
      @MrDebauch Před 2 lety

      @@Zontar82 it's a shame. they should have done something about that.

  • @Ronbotnik
    @Ronbotnik Před 2 lety +16

    i remember loving maximo!!! played it all the time with my parents back in the day

    • @Stratelier
      @Stratelier Před 2 lety +1

      Maximo is actually quite good for a "jump to 3D". It's a reasonably fast-paced 3D hack-and-slash (with surprisingly decent platforming) with what some would call a "Souls-like" level of difficulty: healing is hard to come by so you HAVE to learn an enemy's patterns or you will die. A lot. (And it has a limited lives/continues system on top of that)

  • @JomasterTheSecond
    @JomasterTheSecond Před 2 lety +8

    The video starts off with Earthworm Jim 3D. Just as it should.

  • @darrinfromvault801
    @darrinfromvault801 Před 2 lety +80

    I always like these vids. Basically times where Joe has to suffer playing anything bad

    • @ZBR_ProXP
      @ZBR_ProXP Před 2 lety +3

      I’m curious to know why “watching someone suffer” is so popular in video games now

    • @JoshuaJacobs83
      @JoshuaJacobs83 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ZBR_ProXP Because people are sadists who derive pleasure from watching others suffer.

    • @corbynsteen6794
      @corbynsteen6794 Před 2 lety +5

      @@JoshuaJacobs83 he’s laughing at a dude playing bad video games, not getting his guts ripped out. Calm down

    • @darrinfromvault801
      @darrinfromvault801 Před 2 lety +1

      @@JoshuaJacobs83 I appreciate you taking the time to type that but you couldve used that to look up the word Semantics. This is a lighthearted channel who jokes around. Sounds like you're the true edge lord & this isn't the channel for you

  • @Aragorn7884
    @Aragorn7884 Před 2 lety +36

    I didn't even watch the video yet, but my money is on Bubsy being in it. _lolz_

  • @gianyrivera1082
    @gianyrivera1082 Před 2 lety +23

    If you consider making a video on games that had a good transition into 3D, please include Ninja Gaiden

    • @user-xn3kt6bn5r
      @user-xn3kt6bn5r Před 2 lety +1

      This, metal gear too

    • @cambrodia3189
      @cambrodia3189 Před 2 lety

      Final Fantasy is a good example too

    • @PsychomachineryEBM
      @PsychomachineryEBM Před 2 lety

      That, Zelda and Prince of Persia are, in my book, the only one exceptions.

    • @Jordan3DS
      @Jordan3DS Před 2 lety +1

      @@cambrodia3189 FF is about half, since games like VIII and X are underwhelming and the series died when XIII came out.

    • @GameOnRadio1
      @GameOnRadio1 Před 2 lety +1

      @Tom Ffrench FF yes but Metal Gear controls were vastly different which helped in it good transition into 3D

  • @patrickkendrick3066
    @patrickkendrick3066 Před 2 lety +1

    Just wanna take time to appreciate the editing of your videos. The Game Sack banner and fade into an ad is much better than cutting to an ad mid sentence like most CZcamsrs. 👍🏿

  • @Beastmode-hk3fj
    @Beastmode-hk3fj Před 2 lety +2

    Great video as always but the end skit was definitely the cherry on top!

  • @blessuu
    @blessuu Před 2 lety +5

    This is honestly one of the best channels on CZcams!! The quality of all your videos are amazing i look foward to your videos well done sir!!

  • @skittlebrau3798
    @skittlebrau3798 Před 2 lety +9

    Speaking of Konami, Suikoden is another franchise I'd toss in there. The first two are exceptional 2D RPGs... especially Suikoden II with its beautiful spritework and animation. The jump to 3D was rough and in my opinion, the series wouldn't really recover until Suikoden V.

  • @siveon298
    @siveon298 Před 2 lety +18

    Metal Gear, to me, would be the defacto game series that got better in 3D. Cinematics, the worlds, all of that was so much cooler.
    I hear Maximo was good!

  • @BackyardEpicMovies
    @BackyardEpicMovies Před 2 lety +11

    Maximo is a great series. I'm forever waiting for part 3.

    • @Vaecord91
      @Vaecord91 Před 2 lety +4

      Never been disappointed with Maximo

    • @Bangyourbirdnumb
      @Bangyourbirdnumb Před 2 lety +4

      That was an odd choice to throw in as being bad.

  • @Level1Sword
    @Level1Sword Před 2 lety +9

    I saw Mega Man X show up and I immediately thought Joe was going to say MegaMan Legends was a bad transition. Yes, X7 was indeed bad.
    On the other hand, I'm surprised Joe didn't take the opportunity to say "I'd say that Sonic Adventure was a bad transition, but Sonic has NEVER been good. I hate Sonic."

    • @atre5763
      @atre5763 Před 2 lety +1

      I'm surprised Sonic Adventure wasn't on the list because it was poor transition.

    • @AndalusianLuis
      @AndalusianLuis Před 2 lety

      @@atre5763 that game has a small but very vocal group of people that think it’s a masterpiece.

    • @thomasedwardharrison2879
      @thomasedwardharrison2879 Před 2 lety +1

      @@AndalusianLuis i love Sonic Adventure. It's the first game I ever played and Sonic Adventure 2 is the last thing my mom gave me before she died

    • @pridakfan253
      @pridakfan253 Před 2 lety

      @@atre5763 Sonic Adventure was well received at the time it came out. It's fair to say it hasn't aged very gracefully. The games in this video however were considered bad even back then.

  • @riversart2030
    @riversart2030 Před 2 lety +17

    Maximo: Ghosts to Glory is an awesome game. It captures the feeling of the old 2d games while adding cool new features like the power up system. I'm surprised Joe hasn't played it.

    • @JMFSpike
      @JMFSpike Před 2 lety

      Are you sure there wasn't an episode covering those? I believe there were two of them, but I don't think they sold well.

    • @GenesHand
      @GenesHand Před 2 lety

      @@JMFSpike Dave played them.

    • @patrickhein6986
      @patrickhein6986 Před 2 lety +2

      I´m with you. Both Maximo Games were awesome and I always hoped for a third one back then.

  • @megamarsonic
    @megamarsonic Před 2 lety +5

    Correction: in Paperboy (N64), the difficulty you select is what actually determines whether you go in a set path or can roam freely. As far as I'm aware, there's no difference in how Paperboy and Papergirl play.

    • @Zontar82
      @Zontar82 Před 2 lety

      YOU MYSOGINIST

    • @V0YAG3R
      @V0YAG3R Před 2 lety +1

      Zontar82 And communism and islam are religions of peace 👌🏻

  • @Marcifar
    @Marcifar Před 2 lety +6

    Series that vastly improved when moving to 3d: GTA

    • @Wheresthepepsibismol
      @Wheresthepepsibismol Před 2 lety

      @matt allan 9/11 made that game bad they should of had vice city come out first because 9/11 ruined games that take place in New York because you can't fly airplanes in GTA3 and other games with NYC.

    • @EwaY83
      @EwaY83 Před 2 lety

      Gta 1 was awesome

  • @YOG3NSHA
    @YOG3NSHA Před 2 lety +8

    The ending actually cracked me up.

  • @marakarthegreat
    @marakarthegreat Před 2 lety +11

    why did they even display X front and center on the cover of MegamanX7 when for the majority of the time you play as AXL and Zero and you unlock X much later in the game?

    • @juiceala
      @juiceala Před 2 lety +1

      Since I’m currently replaying Mario 64 DS I thoight the same, sure you can unlock Mario fairly soon in the game bjt why name the game after him and have him front center on the cover and he’s not playable until much later? He isn’t even rewarded in the ending.

    • @RonnieBarzel
      @RonnieBarzel Před 2 lety

      I think the JPN cover art for X7 properly pushed him to the rear.

    • @PsychomachineryEBM
      @PsychomachineryEBM Před 2 lety

      MGS solid 2 takes off Snake after a while and instead gave us ass boring Raiden.

    • @findantu
      @findantu Před 2 lety +1

      @@PsychomachineryEBM this pissed me off so much. And then the story just went loco

  • @VideoHeadMan
    @VideoHeadMan Před 2 lety +1

    I laughed at the newspaper line before I knew it was intentionally bad. LOL

  • @oogrooq
    @oogrooq Před 2 lety +4

    Thank you for distinguishing between 'figuratively' and 'litterally'.

    • @duffman18
      @duffman18 Před 2 lety

      You're the worst kind of pedant, an incorrect one. "Literally" has been used as hyperbole or to mean "figuratively" for _centuries_ now. Seriously. Literally your entire life it has had this other meaning
      Mark Twain and Jane Austen and F. Scott Fitzgerald used it this way just to name a few. It's not some new trend to use it this way.
      And the meaning you want "literally" to have, to mean "actually" or "in a literal manner or sense; exactly", that's not even the original definition of the word "literally"! Why are you adamant that the 2nd definition of literally is the only one that's OK. But for the 1st and 3rd meanings of "literally" you think they don't count?
      The original definition of "literally" was when something had to do with writing, like "concerning the writing, study, or content of literature, especially of the kind valued for quality of form."
      Essentially it's what we use "literary" for these days. So why don't you whine about how you're using the updated changed new definition of "literally"? Why do you only whine about the 3rd meaning of it, and not the 2nd meaning?
      And literally every day you use words that have changed definition. Some of them actually mean the *opposite* of what they originally did. Like you've definitely used the word "awful" to mean something that's bad. Originally it meant something great and amazing, that filled you with awe, awe-ful. It's what we use "awesome" for these days (and "awesome" is another example, it used to mean something that was great in a horrible terrifying way, not "great" as in "good", just something very big and powerful and scary)
      Or how about "terrific" which originally meant something that was incredibly frightening or bad, terror-fic. Nowadays it means something that's really great or good. That new definition of the word "terrific" came about in the 19th century, the same exact time that the definition of "literally" that you hate so much came about. It's literally the same age as the definition for "literally".
      So why do you whine about one and not the other? They're the same age, both "new" definitions. If you were in any way consistent, you'd be whining about the "new" definition of "terrific" because it's the same exact age as the "new" meaning of literally. But you aren't consistent. This is literally the only word people like you care about even though there's thousands of examples of words that have the same age of the newest meaning. 19th century meanings of words like literally. You care only about appearing smart, not actually being smart. If ylu were smart you'd know how old that definition of literally is.
      Is it because you don't really know what you're talking about and just wanna hang on this one word you hate, but because you don't know how English works, you've never read a book on it or on linguistics in general, you want to appear smart by whining about the word but you're not actually smart enough to research it and either whine about *every* word that changed definition, or just accept that this is how language works?
      English is a descriptivist language. Meaning it constantly changes. "Correct English" is simply the English that English speakers speak and write every day. That's why English dictionaries are constantly updating and adding new words.
      It's not like a prescriptivist language like French, where there's a central body in Paris who decide what is officially French and what isn't. French is based on what the dictionaries say, and vice versa for English, where English dictionaries are based on what English speakers say and write.
      Ultimately, English works through context. The words as a whole, a whole sentence, is what gives meaning. Not the individual words. It's always obvious when the person means *literally* literally and when they are using it as hyperbole or to mean "figuratively". That's why English can be used to imply things without ever explicitly stating it. It's why "reading between the lines" is a thing. It's why English poetry can be so beautiful and have tons of meanings simultaneously. Because English works through context. You know exactly what they mean when they use "literally" that way, so it's very successful at communicating with you. That's all that matters.

    • @rars0n
      @rars0n Před 2 lety

      @@duffman18 Kind of ironic you calling him a pedant. But honestly, totally agree with everything you've written. Extremely thorough.

  • @HeathenDance
    @HeathenDance Před 2 lety +6

    I love Castlevania 64. If you play it with Carrie, it's very enjoyable. The camera isn't perfect, but you get used to it. The level design is great, and atmospheric. And the music is beautiful. To be honest, I find the first Castlevania for the NES, a lot more frustrating.

    • @AlucardsQuest
      @AlucardsQuest Před 2 lety +1

      I do think Legacy of Darkness is an improvement.

    • @vladv5126
      @vladv5126 Před rokem

      I tried playing it with Carrie but she got pissed off when we threw a bucket of blood on her.

  • @jinx2131
    @jinx2131 Před 2 lety

    The only videos I keep in my "watch later" to savour for as long as it takes! Thanks Gamesack!

  • @xbiker321
    @xbiker321 Před 2 lety +1

    Good idea for an episode! I witnessed a lot of these games struggle in the 32/64 bit era.

  • @trailstreaker
    @trailstreaker Před 2 lety +4

    Maximo was really good. I really enjoyed both games. They were actually fun to play and the story was really interesting.

  • @jeffu.8053
    @jeffu.8053 Před 2 lety +16

    Joe has advertised Keeps in past episodes to prevent balding. Looks like he should start advertising Depends now after that ending skit.

  • @MyRetroLife
    @MyRetroLife Před 2 lety +3

    Yeah Paperboy 64 never looked that bad to me visually... I always took it as a stylistic choice. I was always pleased with the steady frame-rate.

  • @plushquasar653
    @plushquasar653 Před 2 lety +4

    Love me some Gamesack. Have my babies Joe!

  • @JCM217
    @JCM217 Před 2 lety +37

    I look forward to your future Castlevania episode. I stand by the 64 games being pretty good. They’re definitely “of the era,” and a few gameplay tweaks would have made a world of difference, but it was early 3D. Guess I’m an apologist.

    • @thomasberry4486
      @thomasberry4486 Před 2 lety +4

      I enjoyed the first N64 game and Lament of Innocence on the PS2.

    • @Kain5th
      @Kain5th Před 2 lety +2

      Id call those games “decent” but not bad

    • @businesschicken8699
      @businesschicken8699 Před 2 lety +6

      Good luck with that lol I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Joe HATES pretty much ALL PS1/N64/Saturn-generation games, based solely on the graphics alone in all honesty. Pay attention when he reviews any of them in any video (not just this one). Everything he says always starts with "I HATE the way this game looks, it's terrible!" or something exactly like it, followed by a nit-picky list of things he would've either made excuses for or would down-right ignore as part of "the charm of that particular game era" if it's any older game from HIS younger years. He'll admit it himself sometimes, and him and his old cohost/best-friend used to go back and forth about it all the time before he left the show for the most part. It still makes me absolutely hate biased episodes like this, when he also always talks about how remaining impartial and professionally critical of games from an unbiased point-of-view is so critically important for "real, adult game reviewers who want to be taken seriously" while also making the conscious decision to hold on to his weird obsessive level of hate for PS1 graphics, and anything similar from the same gaming generation, not to mention the one after it, other than games he specifically likes. Those are okay. Don't expect much if your game wasn't a world-shattering, literal game-changer....
      And though I truly do love the N64 versions of Castlevania (especially the original), it wasn't a critically acclaimed 10/10 hit, like I said: I wouldn't expect much any time soon lol that's all

    • @PsychomachineryEBM
      @PsychomachineryEBM Před 2 lety +2

      Horrible. The best CVania games are pixel art.

    • @GameOnRadio1
      @GameOnRadio1 Před 2 lety

      @@PsychomachineryEBM the two Ps2/OG Xbox ones were pretty good

  • @systemshocker2557
    @systemshocker2557 Před 2 lety +5

    Good choices overall, apart from the MK4 (pretty decent gameplay, you could do a lot worse than this game when jumping to 3d) and Mega Man X7 which does not seem to qualify for this video, since we are talking about transition to 3d and this isn't the first 3d game in the series.

  • @Wildcatbeer
    @Wildcatbeer Před 2 lety +1

    You know, a piss stain in the front of the pants is a small example of the care and detail that is put into each and every Gamesack episode. *Salute*

  • @legokingcandy
    @legokingcandy Před 2 lety

    I always watch gamesack when I’ve got trouble sleeping or if I want to relax. Keep up the great work!

  • @ScottX68000
    @ScottX68000 Před 2 lety +7

    I really enjoy playing Off Road Challenge on the N64, there's very few racing games I like on the system but this one is a lot of fun for me. It's better emulated so you can overclock the CPU to get a smoother frame rate, usually I prefer original hardware but N64 games definitely benefit from emulation.

    • @009Pipo
      @009Pipo Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah, I really enjoy playing Off Road Challenge on the arcades. It's not a perfect game but really fun.

    • @stuffthings1417
      @stuffthings1417 Před 2 lety

      Yeah there aren't a lot. Rush 2084 is the best one on N64.

  • @larrylaffer3246
    @larrylaffer3246 Před 2 lety +19

    If I were a betting man I'd wager the list would be dedicated to Sonic.

    • @AndalusianLuis
      @AndalusianLuis Před 2 lety

      Careful, you’ll anger the sonic fans

    • @larrylaffer3246
      @larrylaffer3246 Před 2 lety +2

      @@AndalusianLuis But it's so fun to watch em squirm.

    • @BlueflagAlpha
      @BlueflagAlpha Před 2 lety +2

      @@AndalusianLuis haha ,let em. Its fun to watch them cry

    • @JCM217
      @JCM217 Před 2 lety +3

      @@AndalusianLuis eh, I think most sonic fans have come to terms, that’s why there’s a “sonic cycle.” I don’t think the 3D games are as universally bad as some do, though. More of a mixed bag.

    • @ToonCatTV
      @ToonCatTV Před 2 lety

      @@larrylaffer3246 *SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

  • @MuscarV2
    @MuscarV2 Před 2 lety

    Man, when you're more than satisfied with the video and go to like it and the post credits skit starts so you wait and it just doubles your enjoyment. Good stuff Joe!

  • @cptcaveman26
    @cptcaveman26 Před 2 lety

    Perfect way to Finnish the weekend with a new episode of game sack keep up the great work Joe 👍

  • @infernal_monkey
    @infernal_monkey Před 2 lety +5

    Off Road Challenge was definitely Midway's weakest arcade racer on the N64. It's weird to think it came out just a few months before Rush 2.

  • @more7642
    @more7642 Před 2 lety +3

    Extremely need "Game series which been vastly improved by going to 3D" episode! Greetings from Russia!

  • @RobertSeeJen
    @RobertSeeJen Před 2 lety +2

    The initial shots of the Contra game made me think "That doesn't look too bad." But the more footage that was shown, the more I understood.

    • @findantu
      @findantu Před 2 lety +1

      It's the depth perception of the bullets were like red and yellow it would be fine because you'd know which to duck under .

    • @Tpoleful
      @Tpoleful Před 2 lety

      I agree. It looks like the team was competent but given an impossible task translating the gameplay into 3d

  • @TheWrightClanX5
    @TheWrightClanX5 Před 2 lety +2

    If Bubsy isn't on here I'll be shocked 😊

  • @mildlyamusingcunt
    @mildlyamusingcunt Před 2 lety +10

    Metroid Prime did pretty well in 3D, I enjoyed it.

    • @eponymous7910
      @eponymous7910 Před 2 lety

      Arguably the greatest game of its generation. A masterpiece

    • @gamingblowsofficial
      @gamingblowsofficial Před 2 lety

      It sucked just as badly as its 2D counterparts. So, it didn’t get any worse in the move to 3D. I guess that’s good.

  • @Risperdali
    @Risperdali Před 2 lety +13

    Maximo is the bomb! It'd be an example of a good transition to 3D!

  • @guilhermealbuquerque5648
    @guilhermealbuquerque5648 Před 2 lety +1

    "Can you hear me, Zero?"

  • @bloodblues85
    @bloodblues85 Před 2 lety +2

    I'm so glad you're still pumping out informative and funny videos with excellent quality. Been a fan for years, even before I had a google account. Thanks for being awesome!
    EDIT: Lmao those side affects tho XD

  • @8BitHorse
    @8BitHorse Před 2 lety +5

    When we originally created our channel, we intended to create a series of videos showing great 2D games against their sub-par transitions to 3D. We never created the series, but this video touches on a lot of the games we intended to showcase.

  • @elel.
    @elel. Před 2 lety +3

    Mortal kombat 4 is great game!

  • @gryphonofmight
    @gryphonofmight Před 2 lety +2

    Earthworm Jim comes to mind along with Castlevania.......and Earthworm Jim is the first game mentioned!

  • @WrestlingWithGaming
    @WrestlingWithGaming Před 2 lety

    Man, for a second there I thought you were going to bust out that game enhancer from Amazon at the end. This was better.

  • @64-Bit-Gamer
    @64-Bit-Gamer Před 2 lety +4

    I haven't watched this yet but I'll eat my hat if Castlevania isn't included.

    • @yittmashups
      @yittmashups Před 2 lety +1

      Solid gamble, but unfortunately you lost this time. *grabs the salt and hot plate* How do you like your hat cooked?

    • @64-Bit-Gamer
      @64-Bit-Gamer Před 2 lety

      Well done. With a slice of humble pie to the side 😐

  • @myopiniondoesntmatter7068

    Mk4 was actually quite good. Graphics just didn't age well and they sacrificed a lot to get it to 60 fps. It went downhill after that IMO which required the MK9 reboot.

    • @shadoom
      @shadoom Před 2 lety

      I remember my friends and I really enjoyed mk4 when it got released as well

    • @ridleyrage5283
      @ridleyrage5283 Před 2 lety +1

      I agree, MK4 isn't an offender, compared to the rest

  • @thisisjames4474
    @thisisjames4474 Před 2 lety +1

    Maximo was an amazing game! I'd love to play it today to see how well it aged.

  • @CDubya.82
    @CDubya.82 Před 2 lety

    Thank goodness the request to laugh for several minutes was near the end of the video. My laughter was sooo hard I missed the rest of the video. 😋😆

  • @goldensyrupgamingshow2978
    @goldensyrupgamingshow2978 Před 2 lety +10

    It took me years to recover from the switch from beautiful 2D sprites to ugly basic 3D graphics. I'm ok now

    • @goeland4585
      @goeland4585 Před 2 lety

      I'm happy for you Golden Syrup Gaming Show

    • @breakfasthole3851
      @breakfasthole3851 Před 2 lety

      I saw it as a slow transition but it's a shame that 2D games became old news for so long. I remember buying Earthworm Jim 2 for PS1 around the time of Tekken 3 (which I also had) and my friends didn't understand wanting to go back to 2D games. Soon after I bought a SNES again and they didn't understand that either

    • @Jordan3DS
      @Jordan3DS Před 2 lety +1

      @@breakfasthole3851 People still do that nowadays, they trade in their old systems and games as soon as the new generation starts to get the new console, since they can't imagine playing old tech. Casuals will always be casuals, they don't look at games as individual experiences since they only see the technology.

    • @breakfasthole3851
      @breakfasthole3851 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Jordan3DS My brother is exactly that. Must have new consoles when they launch, everything from before gets sold. He just wants to play the latest things, doesn't dip into older stuff too much. He sees that as 'going backwards'. I wouldn't describe him as casual though. Just different perspectives and gaming behaviours. He puts serious hours into playing and gets very good at whatever games are his current thing.

    • @Jordan3DS
      @Jordan3DS Před 2 lety +1

      ​@@breakfasthole3851 I would say it's pretty "casual", since those kinds of gamers only play a very small percentage of what's out there. It'd be like if a movie buff refused to watch anything not in theaters, a music buff refused to listen to anything that didn't just come out, or a book buff refused to read anything that didn't release that year. They can't really be called true fans of the medium if they say that most of it is just "outdated garbage".
      Plus, I think someone can spend a lot of time with a game and still be considered a casual. Lots of people spend dozens of hours a week playing Madden or Call of Duty or Fortnite, yet the fact that they scoff at actual games while only playing casual games is mainly what makes them a casual gamer.

  • @henrydave6603
    @henrydave6603 Před 2 lety +5

    Sort of glad Sonic wasn't anywhere near this episode! Okay okay I know some people actually like 3D Sonic games so probably a good call there. Still, I was sort of turned off from 3D games at the start as most developers just couldn't figure out how to make it work!

  • @RiVALgx88
    @RiVALgx88 Před 2 lety

    Can I just say that I appreciate you actually make spots in your vids for the commercials... that way it doesn't take me out of the moment, I appreciate the effort!

  • @donoteatmikezila
    @donoteatmikezila Před 2 lety

    Great episode! I would love an episode around series that made a great jump to 3D. I love these kinds of episodes too, but episodes based around good games are great because I usually find a couple games I've not played before to try.

  • @AzrialAlaria
    @AzrialAlaria Před 2 lety +3

    I was gonna be pissed if he said anything about Darius. That series made a great transition to 3D with G-Darius!

    • @thomashenry3014
      @thomashenry3014 Před 2 lety +1

      The bosses in that game are ridiculous, though.

    • @AzrialAlaria
      @AzrialAlaria Před 2 lety +1

      @@thomashenry3014 I can handle them. I'm an ACE Silver Hawk pilot!

  • @GiggaVega
    @GiggaVega Před 2 lety +5

    If only CZcams was like Paper Boy on the N64 and we didn’t need to worry about losing subscribers lol 😂

  • @charlesgoudreau5732
    @charlesgoudreau5732 Před 2 lety +1

    This ending skit is my favorite so far. I laughed out loud.

  • @barc0deblankblank
    @barc0deblankblank Před 2 lety +1

    I had a blast playing MK4 in arcades and the N64, for a couple of years. It doesn't have to be perfect to be fun.

  • @WesCoastPiano
    @WesCoastPiano Před 2 lety +12

    Castlevania 64 is actually very underrated and has terrific atmosphere. You might be surprised by it Mr Ballsack lol
    Also Grand Theft Auto vastly improved when it went to 3D

    • @ZeroB4NG
      @ZeroB4NG Před 2 lety +1

      GTA was always 3D, it was just a top down view and used 2D textures on the ground, the buildings and other stuff were already in 3D.
      In fact i wouldn't mind a modern take on the top down GTA style. ...maybe i should look into Shakedown Hawaii.

    • @WesCoastPiano
      @WesCoastPiano Před 2 lety +1

      @@ZeroB4NG gta 1 and 2 were not 3d ya dunce

  • @lovelock9190
    @lovelock9190 Před 2 lety +4

    "sonic had a rough transition to 3d"

  • @jerrytan1639
    @jerrytan1639 Před 2 lety +2

    I don’t remember how I discovered game sack but I’m glad i did and it was recent so there were already hundreds of episodes to go through and with Lockdowns had time to play games even my old ones.I like Jrpg’s so while playing ps1 jrpg classics i turn down the volume and binge watch all episodes starting from the 1st episode of course,now that I’ve caught up for a while now will always be waiting for new ones to come out...keep up the good work 👍👍

  • @stevethefishdotnet
    @stevethefishdotnet Před 2 lety +1

    Oh good. I was afraid "spontaneous combustion" would have been one of the side-effects.

  • @roguerifter9724
    @roguerifter9724 Před 2 lety +4

    Got worse: Worms. The 2D games were awesome. I have so many memories playing those with friends and family bug never enjoyed the 3D games nearly as much.
    Got better: Catacombs, Duke Nukem, and Wolfenstein. I liked the 2D games but enjoyed the first 3D game of each more, and the first and third series listed only got better from their first 3D game IMO.

    • @nintyfan1991
      @nintyfan1991 Před 2 lety

      You mention Wolf, and I'd argue Doom as well. Doom 3 wasn't a favorite, but it still did well for what it was even before the Bethesda reboots, which were more like the originals with a mix of Metroid Prime.

    • @lukasperuzovic1429
      @lukasperuzovic1429 Před 2 lety

      @@nintyfan1991 Was there a 2D Doom?

    • @nintyfan1991
      @nintyfan1991 Před 2 lety

      @@lukasperuzovic1429 Kind of. The early games were all 2D sprites, programmed to make an illusion to be "3D". FPS weren't truly 3D until Quake, Duke (which had more 3d rendering alongside 2D sprites), and even Goldeneye.

    • @lukasperuzovic1429
      @lukasperuzovic1429 Před 2 lety +1

      @@nintyfan1991 I feel calling Doom a 2D game is disingenuous to everyone.
      All games are 2D if you want to get technical as its displayed on a 2D plane (obviously not including VR). Having the game use no not use polygons isn't the debate here. Its can you explore the space in 3 dimensions, and Doom qualifies for exploring a space in 3 dimensions.

    • @roguerifter9724
      @roguerifter9724 Před 2 lety +1

      I don't recall any pre-3D Doom games. I thought the series started as a First Person Shooter and didn't know there were any 2D games before the 93 FPS. Were they stealth games like the 80s Wolfenstein games?

  • @MKF30
    @MKF30 Před 2 lety +12

    Honestly MK4 wasn't *that* bad, the game plays fine and can be played competitively and for the time that was among the better looking 3d Pixel tech. Also you forgot street fighter EX lol you put mk 4 but forgot sf ex? 😅😜

    • @RetroRuss
      @RetroRuss Před 2 lety

      I thought Deception was when 3D MK got it right.

    • @Astfgl
      @Astfgl Před 2 lety

      @@RetroRuss Deadly Alliance was novel at the time and a big improvement over MK4, but in hindsight it wasn't really that great either. That already became fairly obvious by the time Deception rolled out. MK9 is where the series finally found its footing in 3D, and ironically it was by taking the gameplay back to its 2D roots.

    • @MKF30
      @MKF30 Před 2 lety +1

      @@RetroRuss Deception was fun but broke af lol... thr extra modes were cool though chess and puzzle kombat. Deadly Alliance was before Deception, and the first real 3D MK game. Mk 4 was technically 2.5D at best, you could step in and out/sidestepping but as far as fully 3D MK Deadly Alliance was the first fully 3-Dimensional MK game to come out.

    • @MKF30
      @MKF30 Před 2 lety

      @@Astfgl MK 9 was only 3D in graphics only and paved by MK vs DCU(which was also similar to MK 4 with not fully 3D nor fully 2D, MK 9 having fully 2D and went back to nostalgic territory combined with updated gameplay making it one of the best MK's ever. MK vs DC was also the first to really redesign the story format and wasn't entirely bad in it's own right, people just hate the watered down MK in that game but Yeah Deadly Alliance was their first fully 3D MK game, and while it was received better than MK 4 and overall the most balanced 3D MK game of the following games (Deception and Armageddon) it wasn't totally without it's flaws, the super slow gameplay and limited moves alongside one fatality per character was kind of a bummer. But as always storyline wise evolved MK.
      Hopefully at some point we get MK 4 and Deadly Alliance online in a retro pack or something, those are the 2 MK games never to have online play (no counting mame of course) but legitimately for any console. Perhaps that'll change down the road. I hope NRS makes an ultimate MK Klassic Kollection with MK 1, 2, UMK3, MK 4 and Deadly Alliance all available with online play with improved netcode. That would sell insane.

    • @GameOnRadio1
      @GameOnRadio1 Před 2 lety +2

      Actually the SFEX series was pretty decent

  • @peterbard1815
    @peterbard1815 Před 2 lety +2

    I don't know about "vastly improved," but any video on series that made the jump to 3D really well has to include Mario 64, OoT, and Metroid Prime.

  • @gluserty
    @gluserty Před 2 lety

    That's why it's important to know where you're going to land before you jump, especially in 3D.

  • @akirafuudou2037
    @akirafuudou2037 Před 2 lety +3

    Hard disagree on the Turtles games. I get so unimpressed when people denounce them solely because that's not "their" generation of Turtles. While the first game from 2003 is admittedly limited in scope and repetitive as the combat was the bulk of the game, the controls and combat were stellar enough. Getting huge combos and a higher score is pretty old-school in of itself so I don't get the hate. The sequels are all different as far as combat but they are honestly better than the first game and of course they include the arcade originals as bonus unlockables--minus the original soundtracks. I'm not saying there aren't bad 3D Turtles games--in fact, saying this would be lying....Konami put out TMNT Mutant Melee the same generation and its quite possibly the worst one of them all. What I am saying is that the 3 beat em ups before Mutant Melee are actually very good and worth playing. They aren't bad just because they don't do what an older retro game did.

    • @GuiOmania
      @GuiOmania Před 2 lety

      Your right and as someone born in 1987 that watch the 80’s cartoon the 2003 is way better then the original !!!

  • @moonbilal707
    @moonbilal707 Před 2 lety +4

    Good to see that you didn’t mention Sonic Adventure since you already talked about it before. Not a huge Sonic fan but it did good in 3D, and still plays well despite awkward camera and control issues. 3D Sonic games continue to be good after ups and downs since Sonic 06 and again Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric. But who knows, maybe the next Sonic game be great or worst again. I just want Sega to do good quality with Sonic like what Nintendo is doing with Mario these days.

  • @VGFreak
    @VGFreak Před 2 lety +2

    "Vastly improved by going to 3D"...
    Is there such a thing?

    • @dutchdykefinger
      @dutchdykefinger Před 2 lety

      not really
      you have to build it for 3d from the ground up, unless you want to make a 2.5d game like pandemonium or something and only add the 3d for eye candy... and even that was heavily debatable seeing how sprites were nice and crisp and early 3d consoles were nowhere near that level of fidelity.
      psx was a pixelated mess with texture warping, n64 was a blurry mess, and so on
      the low resolution combined with that, and the fact virtually nothing had shadows yet, you'd be lucky if lighting was present in helpful manner, it made for impossible perception of depth... to add insult to injury the camera was always a liability, unworkable.
      i think SM64 is overrated too, it's merely an earlier 3d game that wasn't completely shit, in a jungle of absolute shit.
      still doesn't hold a candle to what the snes had to offer.

    • @nobel11
      @nobel11 Před 2 lety

      Really, only exploration based games seem to be better in 3D, imo

  • @Medicint20
    @Medicint20 Před 2 lety +1

    This episode needs a part II

  • @shadoom
    @shadoom Před 2 lety +3

    Without the glorious N64 this video would be only 3 minutes long

  • @Fahrenheit38
    @Fahrenheit38 Před 2 lety +3

    Castlevania 64 is a good game. Especially when compared to the slop on the n64. I'll even go so far to say most people thought it was good till that avgn episode. Also, stop saying the second 64 title is a remake of the first one. That is wrong and when people regurgitate that over and over its becoming more and more accepted as truth

  • @comradecrimsonsmaidenporiu8766

    Sack Enhancer I'm dead 😂💀
    That end bit was really funny.

  • @HarmfulBreeze
    @HarmfulBreeze Před 2 lety +1

    22:07
    Game Sack: - worse graphics than Paperboy?
    Bubsy 3D: - hold my beer

    • @GameSack
      @GameSack  Před 2 lety +1

      I dunno at least Bubsy was brighter and sharper.

  • @Dorelaxen
    @Dorelaxen Před 2 lety +1

    Altered Beast and Golden Axe come to mind. Holy god did both of their 3-D games suck.

  • @inceptional
    @inceptional Před 2 lety

    That ending was totally crazy and brilliant. LOL

  • @TheKyleBrah
    @TheKyleBrah Před 2 lety +1

    Doom 3, for sure. It was a bit of a graphical beast at the time, but damn, we're there some bad gameplay decisions, like unequipping a gun for the torch, too many sudden spawns for cheap jumpscares, terrible gun audio etc.
    The 2016 one showed how 3D Doom should be done

  • @MrScore101ca
    @MrScore101ca Před 2 lety

    Pee's on hands, shakes it off, doesn't wash hands, waves you to follow....comedy gold

  • @NeroLordofChaos
    @NeroLordofChaos Před 2 lety

    >brings up Megaman
    'This dude better not say Legends if he values his knees'
    >Megaman X7
    "Oh, oh absolutely."

  • @TheRealMerchyBautista
    @TheRealMerchyBautista Před 2 lety +1

    Yeah definitely wanna see a video of 2D games that vastly improved in to 3D

  • @TheRealKaiProton
    @TheRealKaiProton Před 2 lety +1

    I always liked MK4's Goro, looked like a plush toy version

  • @rotallyPumpered
    @rotallyPumpered Před 2 lety +1

    Final Fight seems like the obvious one. Tetris had some pretty awkward experiments with 3D too.

    • @findantu
      @findantu Před 2 lety

      I don't even bother with anything besides just tetris. I had the 3d orb Tetris f that game.