The Truth About Why They Can't Reverse This Endgame Death
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2019
- All of the characters who died as a result of Thanos’ snap were brought back in Avengers: Endgame, but there was one major death that couldn’t be undone. Endgame saw Black Widow sacrificing herself so the Avengers could have the Soul Stone, which led to them eventually defeating Thanos. Many wondered if they could reverse her death as well, but ultimately she was one of the Avengers who stayed dead at the end of Endgame, even though she will still be getting her own prequel film soon. Let’s take a look at why they couldn’t reverse that one Avengers: Endgame death.
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All i’m saying is that if Tony stark was alive he would not stand for Natasha not getting a funeral
I thought she did though... I remember Professor Hulk tossing a bench or something
Pretty sure tony stark died a nice amount of time after she did
Anna rose she got a funeral
@@supedsauce5981 she didn't lmao
I think nat will come back if cap send back soul stone to it place. A soul for a soul
Let's not forget.. Even Loki is surprised by the stealth of Black Widow.
Let's not forget the super dragon balls can bring black widow back big boi
@@KF22TV the 7 dragon balls can do it, when the 6 infinity stones can't.
We know which one is more powerful.
emancoy well 7 is a bigger number
If only they had taken Ms Marvel to Vormir.
Ok
Here's how many people miss Black Widow
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Only 50...? 😂
Here’s how many people miss ironman
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She is a dumb charsctet
Not Headhunterx1 says the one that can’t spell character
@@xenophobica6106 lmao 😂
We all know drax didn't really disappear, he just stood really,really still
Edit: Thanks for the likes
Hell yeah!!
He become invisible to our naked eye
yea so still that became invisible to us 🤣🤣🤣
🤣😂🤗
He learned it from John Cena back in the WWE days
I really think that Natasha deserved better, maybe not a funeral but some other kind of homage in the movie. After all she´s been around since IM2 and she is an og MCU Avenger. i was as sad about her death as i was about Tony´s.
Henry Munn yea i felt she deserved something more then a talk on a dock
Very true
Henry Munn Endgame is flawed. If they killed the Thanos from the past, then Endgame shouldn't have happened, but then again. That's from a different past reality, BUT how did Captain America who went to those past reality got old in Endgame reality? That would mean Endgame shouldn't have happened, because it appears changing that past affects the Endgame reality (It would mean that the past reality they went back to is still their own, which would affect Endgame reality), even though Ancient said something about saving the Endgame reality, but destroying her past reality, which is the past reality where they got the infinity stones from.
@@jakerainicorn "BUT how did Captain America who went to those past reality got old in Endgame reality? " I had the same conundrum. The only explanation I could come up up with is that their timeline is the one where cap appeared in the past, but then there is still problems with that concept, because technically then old cap would have to be one from another timeline and not their cap and since the avengers only beat thanos in this one scenario....that isn't possible, unless them winning caused an infinite loop of realities of cap going back in time and spawned more timelines where they win. i.e. every timeline cap went back in time to they win and cap always goes back in time and stays in an infinite progression. Unless...because it's infinite it was only one and he stays in his own timeline....sheesh. Fuck it, Im just going to rely on suspension of disbelief.
@@jakerainicorn Changing something in the past creates an alternate timeline based on that event. For example, there's now a timeline where Loki escapes with the Tesseract, one where Thor's mother encountered her son from the future, and one where Thanos and his army got annihilated in 2014. When Cap went back in time and stayed back with Peggy, he created and lived in an alternate timeline where he lived out his full life. At the end, he traveled back to the main timeline as an old man to give Falcon his shield.
It was kind of annoying that she didn’t get a funeral the only family she had ever had (the avengers) barley grieved her. It shouldn’t have mattered if she wasn’t as popular as tony she helped with missions, save many shield agents and much more she deserved a funeral just as much as tony.
Amber Matthews So true.😿
Yes! Actually I only cried on her death scene.
All the character that died should of had a funeral
Groot didn't get a funeral. Neither did Loki. People put too much importance in ceremony.The dead aren't there to experience a funeral, it's all for the living anyways, so it's up to them. It's a coping mechanism for the living which has no impact on the dead. I am 100% sure I won't care about receiving one when I'm dead.
Jughem Hemjug ya lets add more time to an already 3 hour movie so we can get a redundant funeral scene right after we just had a funeral scene
Rose are red
Violets are blue
I want another marvel movie
But natasha, not without you
Well, next year we have the Black Widow prequel movie, so you're covered
@@douglasammirati8450 Too little, too late. They should have made a Black Widow movie during phase 1 or phase 2, and now she's gone people would probably care less about a Black Widow prequel since it would have little to no impact to the MCU in the future.
And tony
You can bring back fallen people with cosmic power which was introduced in Fantastic 4. This will also include Fantastic 4 in the MCU. Or you could get her back through the multi verse. If you want this explained to you look up *How Black Widow will return after Advengers: Endgame* by youtuber *UpNext*
@@ryantheanimator1156 you dk if it will make any impact on the MCU , you can't see the future
Can we not talk about Vision not even being mentioned by name in Endgame?
He died.
Yeah thanos practically killed him but not turning him into dust. He straight up took it out of his head. which made him die, yes they could be brought him back but the mind stone would be somewhere else making him die.
It seems dumb to go on so much in Infinity War about how Vision could live without the stone and then just not follow it up at all in Endgame tho
Red Archer Live Video about Vision, Looper, asap!!
Will he been useless for the last couple movies so people doesn’t care anymore including myself 🤷♂️
I want a Black Widow/Hawkeye film! I need to know what happens in Budapest!
Gandalf Odinson yes!! They always say something about it in the films! I just want to know what happened in Budapest!
Gandalf Odinson black widow and Hawkeye had a stealth mission and black widow gave their cover away and they had to kill everyone, but black widow thought it was necessary while Hawkeye didnt
That would be happening later
KingP_ Tv how did you come across this information? Other than comics...
KingP_ Tv it sounds more like Hawkeye would be the one to blow their cover, I mean Natasha is a master of stealth and espionage lol
I'm really starting to think about when Cap goes to vormir to return the soul stone and meets red skull...🤔 marvel shoulda considered this scene
Yes..But maybe Red Skull was not there anymore because after his destiny to Lead others to the stone he was free to go...so maybe Cap never met anyone there
@@Voltimino or once Red Skull was free to go was his spot filled by the next contestant? Alot of people committed Similar or worse crimes chasing the stones.
Me too...what happened when he returned that stone?
Is it actually possible to return the soul stone? Like giving it to the Red Skull and then nothing happens or...
Hilarious There should be no point in returning the stone. Because even if Thanos has no purpose, some person can take that stone. That's a problem since there is no guardian.
Everyone: Thor should've gone for the head
Thor: hold my beer-
Also Thor: you know what? Give that back.
Copied comment.
@@advait03 really?? They copied from me then
Yes thats true
Thor: Give me more
Thor: ANOTHER ONE
That is bullshit. Tony got the perfect ending, his character received justice and died with honour, got a funeral.
Not giving black widow a funeral just seems like bad writing, if they don't plan to bring her back.
Satan she has her own movie and you don’t die she’s alive in soul stone
The whole time line "solution" was lazy writing...... good movie, flawed fiction logic
^timeline solution actually adds a level of complexity. There is no real life logic to time travel, so whether it's flawed or not depends on whether it follows its own rules correctly.
Did u not listen it makes sense because black widow is a spy and it’s not in her character to have a big funeral
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@@cian634 I listened but I disagree. It seems like utter bullshit and hasty writing. I agree that a large scale funeral would have been odd but there had to be something. Anything with just the avengers standing next to her grave maybe. Anything at all. She wasn't even remembered that's utterly disrespectful to widow's 10 years in the MCU. Its like her character meant fuck all to them.
If Disney and the actors wanted to come back, anything can happen to the story. There is no limit, so all this theories are pointless.
Lebron James Yes, comic deaths are never permanent.
@Nick Kabeya It is going bad, watching other teams in the playoffs. I'll be busy filming Space Jam 2, which will be better than Endgame.
Exactly.... u r spot on dude... it amazes me when anyone argues over this with such absolute thinking that as if they are the next director... 😂😂😂
It’s called marvel junk science. They made a time machine they can bring anyone back.
@@AtlantaGuns the repercussion of messing the timeline is huge, time will always find a way to correct itself. Hope they will use this principle if they intend to bring somebody from another timeline/universe.
The writers: only public figures deserve funerals or any ceremonial remembrance.
Me: 🙄
That's just a stupid excuse I should say. Celebrity or not, Natasha deserves a memorial on-screen and not off-screen, even if it is a private memorial among heroes only.
And yes I get it that she's not a public figure like Tony Stark. And I know that Steve, Clint, Tony, Thor and Bruce (i.e. original five of six Avengers) were among those who clearly grieved for her. Wanda was the only one other than the original Avengers who acknowledged Natasha's sacrifice. It is possible that there must've been a private memorial for her off-screen. But it should've been shown to audience because it is also possible that almost everyone forgot about her sacrifice and as a result she may not have had a memorial. And to me, forgetting one of your dead friends is not nice.
Samridhi Sharma 💯-excellent points. They should have done SOMETHING as a group to grieve her.
Agreed, i see no reason why cant they make even small funeral among the avengers team that she assume as her own family members.
@@_sam_ddn I agree, it was a private funeral, with just family and friends. i didn't see anyone that we don't know. and that qualifies as family. And Natasha is family.
Natasha's personality taken into account, she wouldn't care for a funeral. Neither would Captain America. Iron Man would. And really, this whole funeral business is just what the fans want, totally ignoring what the character would want. I didn't see a funeral scene for Captain America when everyone believed him dead. Adult Groot didn't get a funeral, just a piece of him used to make younger Groot. Mourning and making the sacrifice count matters more than ceremony.
They brought Gamora back from the past. They could bring back a past Black Widow.
Miss S it’s not the same person tho they don’t have the same memories or relationships and experiences. Imo it feels dumb even to have Gamora back cuz it’s not even actually her. Hopefully it feels less forced in gotg3.
Its an accident from Gamora
Yes they could, they could get Natasha or Tony from the day before all this happened, they would have all the memories except the day they died.
@Phoenix Force
Did you watch the movie? Bringing a Past Black Widow and Iron Man into the prime reality won't change the prime reality's timeline at all, beyond just them being there. It would create a separate reality altogether. Only the other reality would be affected by the removal of their Black Widow and Tony Stark.
Gamora is still dead. The soul stone got sent back to "fix" the time line so thanos still had to sacrifice past gamora to get the soul that's why she's missing at the end. Although the writers could change this if they really want any of the dead characters back. Can't beat a split timeline theory.
Imagine the awkwardness when captain America returned the soul stone to red skull!
We are still enemies right?
Depends on how hard you hit me,Captain.
Red Skull's gone :) he has fulfilled his job, so he's free.
Wait... HOW DID I JUST REALIZE THIS?!
Zunrt does that mean nat is now the “guardian” of the soul stone?
Zunrt What do you mean free? Like is he still alive or is his soul free from the curse
Wait! But Steve returned the stones on the past right? I mean how does he return the Soul Stone? and also he will be talking to the Red Skull upon arriving to the area where they got the Soul stone. This hurts my brain thinking about it.
Agreed. That’s pretty stingy of the stone to keep Natasha after Steve returns it. He could’ve kept it or destroyed it instead. You’d think it would honor his decision and return her. Maybe it does and she’s out there somewhere....
-Hello Steven Rogers.
+Oh hi there Johann! How is life?
-Fuck off.
Now seriously, I think that part is a little confusing, I don't think you can just return the soul stone like nothing, the Red Skull can't have it so you can't give it to him. The thing is that to get the stone, the deal is a soul for another soul but Steve didn't do that "trade". Even though Natasha was important for him too, does that soul for a soul deal work backwards?
@@kevstubeification What also bothers me a little bit is Steve stayed on the past to be with Peggy , I mean in Winter Soldier there was a footage of Peggy telling a story of how Steve saves over a 1,000 men which included a man who became her husband. I mean that's not make any sense at all, that's kinda out of character with Steve, and that kinda makes the timeline a bit mess up, also what's the point introducing of Sharon Carter?
How do you return the space stone in the form of the tesseract?
@@lcyx196 Maybe Cap asked Odin from the past. Same thing happens with the reality stone.
Couldn’t they just go back to 2014 and get Yondu back please lol
Omg Right? Lol I loved Yandu. Maybe he his alive now and they will run into him in 5he search for Gamora and Black widow
Yaas
Pizza Parker what did cap do he just return the stones and stayed in the 70s how would that effect yondu
No they can’t they would have to rebuild the quantumtunnel and go back in time which they won’t do
Marvelousartisticguy 0 Endgame is very much flawed. The past version of Thanos died in the movie before Endgame had happened, which should change reality, but then again, he could have been from a different past reality, BUT Captain America got old in the Endgame reality, which shouldn't happen if he went to a different past reality in the Endgame movie. He should've never appeared in Endgame reality as an old man. If Thanos died before Endgame, then reality should've been different, and Endgame should've never happened.
Tony He didn’t snap his fingers until 2023. Everything that happened: the final battle, cap wielding mjolnir, all of it is five years in the future. The black widow movie that everyone think has to be a prequel because she’s dead, could happen in the five years between now and that final battle in endgame.
Marvel knows that we all think this is present day and completely forgot this happens in 5 years. They have some manipulative wiggle room and I think they’re gonna play with it
This also gives them enough time to cook up a new super villian. Maybe Galactus
It was confirmed to be a prequel
The black widow movie is set sometime in early 2000s, so even before Tony Stark made his Mark 1 Ironman. Hopefully that movie will answer as to what happened in Budapest that bw and hawkeye often keep talking about
nah it should be a black widow origin story so she could have proper closure as an avenger (and maybe hint on a future hero avenger from her time that will come out in the future)
Paul Broderick I had to screenshot this cause it’s so true
Natasha's last word in before they go to quantum tunnel was actually "see you in a minute" but she didnt come back. Damn foreshadowing
Idk just seeing BW die in endgame just doesn't hype me up to see her movie since it's in the past
I thought the same too. But who knows how it'll do. Would've been better to make her solo movie before killing her off. It's like how the introduced Capt Marvel before Endgame came out
my thoughts exactly. it's kinda pointless since we know in the end she's going to be dead.
Imminent and that is the minority opinion Disney and marvel are hoping stays within the minority. Black widow having a feature film truthfully makes sense now rather than before her death. She has no super powers or super strength or super amounts of brain and money but remained an emotional core of the central 6 MCU avengers. From her on screen relationships with Hawkeye and cap and bruce...nearly everything she did was for the family and not for ego or pride.
But within the MCU, she and hawk has no real origin story that advanced the plot within the timeline. So I don't think the point is for hype around a now dead character. But for nostalgia and curiosity for a character that was an avenger before Tony and Bruce and Thor.
totally agree, why do I need to see a prequel for a character who is now dead. They went back in time to tell us the origin stories of Captain America and Captain Marvel, but as a set up for that characters appearance in a following Avengers movie. Doesn't make sense unless they find some other way to connect the story to whatever Phase 4 will be about
Totally. Whats the point? Felt the same way about the Han Solo movie.
Honestly who wants to see an origin movie about a character you killed off already that’s not hyping anyone up to watch the film especially since this movie should’ve came out after winter soldier
I'm sure Marvel is planning something surprising, otherwise as you said, it's pointless to make a movie for a dead character. I'm also certain it won't be just one movie, so it's possible that they could revive her back.
Err post credit resurrection if she wants a new contract
My guess is it's like Gamora living in the soul stone as a child. Widow relives her past and then, end credits, comes back to life out side that orange world with a story to follow in the sequel.
@@questworldmatrix it makes sense if she gets a new contract
@@questworldmatrix Gamora wasn't in the soul stone. Thanos simply conjured her while using the stone
My two favorite Marvel characters dead. 😭😢 Not gonna even lie had me in tears.
But when Captain America returns the soul stone why is he not able to retrieve Black Widow?!? A soul for a soul right?!?
Lauren Quinigan lets hope so. There’s also a chance Adam Warlock will bring her back in GOTG3. Apparently he can enter the soul stone
They said it's permanent the death but look at newrockstars they have a theory on how she could return and it involves tony seeing as he will apparently appear in the black widow movie
Why didn't they just use the Dragon Balls
Wrong universe fam 😎😂
They can just look for genie in the magic lamp in Agrabah
Don't be stupid. The dragon balls aren't more powerful than the infinity stones. They'd clearly need the super dragon balls
@@tarisoala9717 in dragonball rules each planet/ universe has its own set of balls
fam 😂😂
Tony got the perfect end in my opinion. However, I think it should’ve been cap, not Tony. Cap didn’t have a family, Tony did. 🤷🏼♂️
G4 Games cap never got to have a life, Tony did
William Smith I mean yeah, true. But I mean right when the man had started a family though
@@WilliamSmith-wp5rh 5 years of having a family? Lol
Time stone
But Tony grew the most, he evolved the most, he changed the most, and he had a lot to redeem. He was also the most haunted by Thanos from the beginning driving his obsessive compulsive character nearly to breaking point just from the shadows. Tony had the most to gain and lose which is why he was the one to do it. Mind you I theorized it would be Cap too but the more I think about it, this was the best way to end things.
Marvel has never given the value that this character deserved...
Nat you deserved better. We all miss you. I guess this means your solo film takes place before the events of Endgame.😭😭😭😭😭😭
no... there's a way she might be saved...
Hey she might be alive cap brought back the stones.
Remember Adam Warlock can get people out of the soul world. He better bring Black Widow back in GOTG3
@@captainmacmellon8909 whoa :O
Mustehssun Iqbal I hope this theory comes true
If they can bring back Gamora, which they did. They can bring back anybody, time traveling through the quantum realm.
Youre missing something, that gamora is from an alternate reality which doesnt exist anymore. Going back in time and getting anyone back to the present is going to make another dimension which the avengers need to use the stones again to destroy that dimension.
They didn't bring back gamora; she was dusted along with Thanos
David S she didn’t come back
JC no she didn’t lol. The alternate timeline version of gamora is now in the main timeline. Pretty sure searching for Gamora is going to be a big part of GotG3
They wont be the same as the current one since they are from the other timeline, they wont recognize and have emotional feelings to each other, just like Gamora to Star Lord
I wish they didn't change who died for the soul stone. Makes way more sense that it be Hawk-eye. He was off happy living post-civil war while Black Widow was a fugitive for years. He then went dark in Endgame while Black-Widow stepped up to the plate, fought the first Thanos battle and helped in the aftermath. Hawk-eye sacrificing himself for his family (and the Universe obv) has more impact for his character to end his story. Gives him something memorable to do for once. Black-Widow also rescued him from his darkness in the first place (just like she did when he was mind controlled), giving him meaning and direction again. She gave him the chance to die with honour and for the best possible reason. It also hands the opportunity to Black Widow to find some happiness in the end of her tough life. She would then be the obvious candidate to run the next Avengers team alongside Cpt Marvel and offer balance of personality/skills in a female lead Avengers.
....plus, ending the way it did means Hawk-eye had 2 people sacrifice their lives for him (rem Quick Silver), be rescued from mind control and avoid most of Thanos' Infinity War. HOW is he the one to survive it all AND get to retire to a farm with his family? One lucky S.O.B.
' I have a lot of red in my ledger that I need to wipe out '. And so she did.
If they brought back Gamora they can bring back Black Widow the same way. Shell just be from an alternate timeline.
Bryan Evans gamora wasn’t brought back she was dusted along with thanos cuz she was from another time and also if they come from another timeline they don’t have the same memories
@@aelphind4954 Gamora will be in the next Guardians, they never showed her get dusted and Black Widow from 2012 will still have enough memories.
Bryan Evans gamora got thrown off a cliff by thanos that’s why she wasn’t dusted
@@aelphind4954 No 2014 Gamora came back with Thanos in Endgame. When Thanos and his army got dusted it didn't show Gamora get dusted.
Bryan Evans yeah but she must have because tony dusted everyone from 2014
Can’t they just trade a soul stone back for black widow
Random Person now you made me think of that
To take this further, i was thinking the same thing, and wondered, if captain america returned all the stones.....doesnt that mean they can get her back when he returns that one?
@Bobby Rascal an alternate time line where thanos can't get the stones any more remember captain took 4 Pim Particles one to bring black widow back and Tony
No bcoz they've already used the stone to bring back the fallen ones... So even if they return the Stone they can't bring her back....
@Bobby Rascal Thanos can't get the stones any more because he has nothing to sacrifice gamora went to the future along with future nebula he can't sacrifice old nebula because she died in the future there for stopping thanos
BLACK WIDOW NEEDED A FUNERAL! 😭😭😭😭😭😭. I LOVE YOU NATASHA ROMINOFF 😩❤️😩❤️😩❤️😩
Don't worry. We will conduct a funeral for BW fans.
Who's Natasha "ROMINOFF"?
It is Natasha Romanoff
She probably got a funeral off-screen
@@sweetnance923 she didn't really die
***tony gets a funeral***
Black Widow: am I a joke to you?
If steve traveled back in time to grow old with peggy, steve shouldnt have been able to come back to the same reality. As bruce said if you change the past it makes an alternate reality instead of changing the future.
I just interpreted that the old steve had existed all this time with peggie, in the actual mcu timeline.
He could have lived his entire life with her in the alternate timeline before returning the stone and returning old.
UYIS so true I think Marvel is kinda just pulling some BS whenever they try to “explain time travel” it has so many loop holes lol
there were 2 steves the whole time in the mcu. the one that went into the ice, and the one that returned the stones. in winter soldier, peggy would never mention her husband by name, because it was steve (from returning the stones). she cant tell ice steve , my husband is you. talk about mind blown for ice steve
tony stark and natasha romanoff deserved better. End of discussion.
heyitsmel bow did Tony deserve better? He died saving the entire universe and finally got to rest.
I’m saying he deserved better because ever since he got out of that cave 11 years ago, he’s been through A LOT. And now the writers finally gave him some peace with starting a family alongside pepper and having little Morgan, then they instantly take his moment of peace away.
@@xxmelaniexx101 okay. i WILL agree with you for your opinion. Tony have PTSD after Age of Ultron AND have gone through a lot. he deserve his own HAPPY ENDING after so much happened to him and NOT a Bittersweet ending for Pepper and Morgan.
heyitsmel if cap marvel did the snapping tony wouldnt have died!
They did, not all movies have good endings, they both said " whatever it takes"
they should've killed Hawkeye not Black Widow !!!!
If Gamora from the past is in future
That means that way, they can also bring Nat & Tony from past to the future
They could have also made Cap young like they did with Antman
Obviously. They can also get alternate Yondu, Heimdall, Quicksilver and Vision.
Yes, just bring back tony and nat before the time heist
Yeah, i really think the MCU wrote themselfs into a corner there with bringing a Past Gamora back, since now fans are gonna pressure to do the same with Tony, Natasha and most likely Vision, Heimdall and Yondu as well.
And they could of just got America’s wife and brought here in the future to live with the future America. Marvel is bullshit. That’s why I like DC
People are saying “But the Gamora they brought back has no memory of anything,” so why not just bring back a Black Widow from like after she knew the Avengers. Maybe when her and Bruce were talking about running away in Ultron
I mean they can’t change their present, it would change the other timeline but that other timeline isn’t our timeline so we don’t really care about them
The writers took a cheap way out by killing Natasha and not allowing her to come back
How is it a cheap way out lmao I am just wondering why Vision can't be brought back
@@vladthemanpire5894 he wasnt dusted. They can only bring back the people who died from the snap
Cheap would have been to kill her and then just bring her back.
It’s not cheap, but it’s fucked up, I’m pretty sure Black Widow will be brought back, if not, it’s the stupidest marketing strategy ever. And black widow deserved better, she’s always being held back and doing things just to help promote the other men on the team. I mean she holds the entire team together for 5 years only to have the leadership role snatched away as soon as Cap and tony get their heads straight. She deserves better.
Vlad the Manpire no one cares about vision lol
The writing on this movie was not as good as previous movies, it was still very good.
Said the exact thing to my friend - friendship nearly ended... 😭😂
Yes, IW was much better and didnt have so many plotholes.
IW was stupid before EG came
@@Klujma what are the plot holes in endgame?
Aditya Nimgade first time travel, then thanos character is different from infinity war
We all can see Thanos and Gamora in Soul Stone world.
Gamora: Did you do it?
Thanos: Yes
Gamora: What did it cost?
Thanos: Everything...
I’ve wonder what conversation happen in Soul World when Banner and Tony meet Natasha.
It baffled me that ANYONE didn't understand this lol
The whole point of Cap going back in time and returning everything was to stop all the alternative timelines so they couldn't get Nat back. Not only would their Nat not be the same as the one they went back for, but it would also create another timeline. The whole double Nebula thing made this point obvious.
The gauntlet only brought back people who were erased by the decimation. Nat wasn't erased by the decimation, she was killed by other means which is the same reason Loki, Heimdall, Tony and Vision can't come back.
For the most part they did well operating within the rules that they created when it comes to the above.
A bigger plot hole is the alternate timeline that would be created since Thanos from the past was decimated.
Or how Cap managed to show up as an old man at the end, since it meant he would have had to do everything perfectly up to that point including all the stuff in every movie, which is impossible because the present timeline is based on him being frozen since WW2 so he would exist in an alternate timeline making it impossible for him to exist in theirs.
It's actually been well explained how Steve did it. Peggy's husband was never shown.
Changing the past doesn't effect the present..
..unless you're Captain America.
Unless you have the ass of America
Halloween Knight yeah that was the biggest plot hole
Directors said he grew old in seperate timelime and used quantum realm to come back to the main timelime..but then how did he even have a shield
@@kylewendland6574 He just grew it.
@@kylewendland6574 director is just bullshitting the plothole but these marvel fans just seem to eat it up🤷♀️. Even though the explained one still doesnt make any sense ( he should still return through the time machine)
Who knew right? i thought it would've been cap and iron man on Vormir
It REALLY should have been cap... I cant believe they missed the chance to have a cap skull reunion.
@@grimtrix was no need when we got to see cap wild mijlnor or however you spell it
@@roberto9094 Hammer or not, Captain American really should have had to deal with Red Skull again... at least have a bit of dialog between them.
Really wish it was cap and iron man
Hawkeye: So who's gonna jump?
Black widow: Yes
I've been saying for almost a year that Nat would die by sacrificing herself. Narrative-wise, it always made the most sense to me. Tony's death surprised me though as I was expecting Cap instead.
Naomi wowowowo no one cares
@@johnbriny1126 you cared enough to comment...
Why can't they just use the stones to bring back Tony Stark? In the MCU, nothing's more powerful than few piece of paper called contract. No stones can bring back characters that have their contract fulfilled.
MCU can't afford RDJ anymore. They're like, "Sorry dude we gotta kill you. You're too expensive.."
Hulk's other arm would have been injured too😂
@@mysticgaming6894 who need hulk when you have Captain Marvel?
There is no reason to bring him back anymore lol
Isaac Yap right. She was basically infused with power from the tesserect. So she could have used the gauntlet theoretically.
Endgame was one of the greatest movies i have ever seen. Loved it 3000
R.I.P Anthony.
Fierce Shadows lol
Probably won’t agree with me but I think they can bring Tony Stark and Black Widow back down the line and heroes don’t stay dead like in the comics
The bigger question might be why didn't Nebula warn them that Vormir was going to exact that price for the Soul Stone?
Then they might of realised no one was willing to do it.
Man I knew this time travel shit was gonna be messy
V R you mean time heist 😂😂
it'sMe earthy all I thought was a GTA mission
At the end of the movie Cap returned all the stones back. That means when Cap returned the Soul Stone to Vormir. Then, the trade would be undone
d Channel does he just throw it in the water or does there need to be another exchange to take the stone back lol
Red skull said it can’t be undone
not how it works they dont give you the soul back
Jh3lvs Gaming, it got reduced into nothingness by 2018 Thanos
II warlord II,
If they convince Red Skull to come back to Vormir. Red Skull has the power to return that dead person to life. Just hand him the Soul Stone and he’ll resurrect the person you traded for the stone
My two favorite Avengers are Tony and Nat. I wan't them both BACK!
Cap: Hello?! I’m here to return the soul stone!
Red Skull Appears: Rogers!
Cap: Well shit. Look man, we’re not doing this again. I gotta dance to attend.
Rip
Black widow
Iron man
You will be missed by all MCU fans
What really bugs me in endgame is how easily the avengers were able to replicate the gauntlet's function not once but twice. It undervalued the scene where thanos had to kill the dwarves to get his gauntlet made. If the avengers with Inferior technology were able to hold the infinity stones, why can't thanos invent or make his own gauntlet?
The souls stone requires a soul. a soul for a soul right? so if Captain America returned the Soul stone shouldn't he get Black Widow back? a soul for a soul?
That’s what he said. He needs to agree with his deal. Return the soul stone, and get Black Widow back
I hope that the mid-credit scene of black widow will show us that all the avengers are giving her a memorial service.
Or S.H.I.E.L.D having a plaque written Black Widow on it.
@@jasontoddsthighholsters4168 Yeah, in Agents of Shield season 1 it showed they had a wall of dead agents, and even though that must've gotten destroyed along with the rest of the Academy, I bet they rebuilt it, so that's... really plausible. But I'm sure you don't watch Agents of Shield, not a lot of people do, even though it's really great, but good idea anyway.
@@cuttlefishonfire7502 i have a few episodes. I only remember a few characters though, like Melinda May, Jemma, Sky. I've seen clips but didn't bother to finish it. I heard they on their 6th season. But why hasn't anyone from the Avengers made an appearance on show I've seen the actor of Phil Coulson ask the group on an interview, they said yes but unfortunately still nothing.
Wait a minute, where did Steve return the Soul Stone anyway? Isn't returning the stone returning the soul of Natasha too?
its so simple, U HAVE A TIME MACHINE YOU CAN BRING BACK ANYONE WHO DIES.
No it's not bring her back the same thing that happened in infinity war will happen again so it's not simple
Fnaf 106 then explain how Gamora came back
if you bring her back, who would sacrifice themself for the soul stone?
maybe the whole avengers wanna try going back to the time where thanos will sacrifice gamora, and stop him, so instead of gamora dying its gamora that will kill thanos for the soul stone.
or maybe prevent nebula from traveling back again so his evil old self wouldnt show those images..and thanos from the past wouldnt know haha and if they did that maybe its just black widow that only one who dies..
BW movie was the movie to launch before end game not captain crunch.
captain marvel is fine but yeah a black widow movie after she died is odd
Probably her origin
Or she is trapped in a loop of the past
@@seby826 If it's an origin, i don't think it would be. It would be just like paying tribute. Hopefully Hawkeye is in it as well or he gets his own show or something since these two are the only ones in the OG 6 Avengers that didn't get a movie.
"Soul for soul"
Maybe nebula will sacrifice herself for gamora and gamora will alive back in gotg vol. 3 ?
So you can't bring 2018 Natasha like Nebula brought 2014 Gamora through "Time Heist"? I guess it make sense, because the soul stone isn't traded to gamora now. But to natasha instead.
Wait. if cap returned all the infinity stone, including the soul stone. Wouldn't natasha still be alive?
He could return the stone but not get Nat back it's undu able
They could literally go into an alternate universe and get 2018 Natasha before she sacrifices herself. Her original universe would be have never been able to get the stone and save everyone, but at least this universe would have Natasha.
@@wittyluis3145 lol that would be a dpuchebag move sacrifice the universe for one woman.
@@wittyluis3145 If the Russo Brothers, Kevin Feige, or any authority in the MCU agreed to allow the Avengers to go to another timeline and steal a Natasha, then it would set a bad precedent for future films. It would basically be a cheap cop out, allowing them to undo everything they did. That's poor writing and poor story telling.
At least in End Game, they allowed Time Travelling because half of the entire universe died. Also, time travelling was not the sole focus on the plot. That makes sense. They could still tell a good story for that. But if they're just using a time machine to take back characters they kill off, then that's shit writing.
How could readers take them seriously? It was like when Family Guy killed off Brian, then undid it with a time machine when they started getting backlash. Shit writing.
@@exzaf You're right.
But honestly time travelling was a mistake, i dont know if there could have been another way to save everyone but if there was then they should have done that.
Maybe making the rules of time travelling more complicated, something like how hard it was to get the soul stone. That would have made time travelling be a one time thing. But now time travelling could literally be the solution to anything and it doesn't take too much to get it done. Captain America could have also been made young, like Antman was.
How could Natasha get a funeral when her body was never taken back
Imma just assume you 9 or something... 😒
Daddy's Home you don’t need a body to have a funeral dumbass if this was a joke it wasn’t a good one Lol. Bodies never get recovered all the time IRL do u think they don’t have funerals just cuz they don’t have a physical body Lol
If you can't bring back Black Widow, how then can Captain America return the Soul Stone to Vormir at the end of Endgame?
Because you can. Its just that you can't reverse the sacrifice/death.
"I love you 3000" :(
Looper keep making vids about MCU related topics, Endgames already here why keep making random topics
thats the point
End Game is hot right now. Everyone's talking about it. If everyone's interested it, they'll watch videos on it. It means views, and views means money
There was alot of holes in end game which is why you never bring time travel into things
I think her movie is going to take place during the time she spent in the same in between space Gamora was sent to when she was sacrificed. It's going to be her reflecting on her life. And when Cap returns the Soul stone, it's gonna bring her back. Maybe even with some cool new powers.
But the thing I love about marvel and other comics is that there are so many timelines/universes. So being dead in one universe/timeline doesn’t equal being dead in another. Also how come no ones talking about Loki escaping at the end of Avengers/EG that didn’t happen the first time around so what paradox did that create. Or the fact that Captain America stayed in the past and maybe could have altered something even a tiny bit for the future. Which we won’t see until Phase 4 or even later. I mean Bucky didn’t seem surprised to see him at all grown up, so what’s up with that. Also no one’s bringing up Amadeus Cho at the funeral? How did no one notice that? All this movie did was bring me a ton of questions and possibilities for future movies.
Where was Amadeus Cho? I noticed pretty much everyone else, including Harley Keener, but not him
BECAUSE SHE DIED DIED....WASNT BECAUSE OF THE STONES...IT WAS A REAL SACRIFICE FOR THE 1 STONE...RIP NATASHA..WE LOVE YOU 100
I love her 3000
TR33 HOUS3 PARTY83 3000*
That 100 is just.. salty
@@sophiar.6426 lol *3000*
We'll see what happens. Comic books have a habit of bringing back dead villains and heroes. What if the Red Skull lied? Yes it takes a soul to get the soul stone. But what if Black Widow is now the guardian of the soul stone. And it released the Red Skull from his imprisonment of guarding the stone.
Edwin Lindley then Gamora would’ve been the guardian of the sole stone... however they did go back before thanos sacrificed gamora... waaaay back
@@ALM_Garage exactly.
I doubt it, but I’m not gonna lie it’s definitely a interesting theory, what if this plot takes place in guardians of the galaxy? Ugh this anticipation is killing me lol
Could they bring Tony back too?
Considering they have control of quantum realm..
Or maybe they can't bring him to the present world, but they could go back and meet him, right? Just like Cap and Cap during the New York scene?
If thanks knew how to do that:
500 thanoses (thanosi?) snapping at once
No let him have his peace
Roberts contract is done so no and didnt they run out of pym particles and dont ruin tonys story line he went from selfish to selfless its a good end
Wow
The soul stone demands a sacrifice not just any sacrifice but a noble one, a price so high that only the selfless would give, farewell Natasha see you on the flip side 😭😖
Why didnt Thor try the gauntlet once? He cud have survived the snap for sure
he was depressed as fuck and had a very terrible mindset at the time. all he was thinking about was lightning and beers. he wasnt ready yet, so hulk had to do it.
With Nat's death I'm trough with MCU😢
They travel through quantum realm and also travel through time at the same time at which they (hawkeye & black widow) travel to the pass where the soul stone is located. The rule of time travel is ‘Change in the past doesn’t change the future. When they travel to the past, that past becomes your future and your former present becomes your past which can’t now be change by your new future’. Hulk said this dialogue when he was in conversation with Colonel James Rhodes and Scott Lang.
For moment I thought Hawkeye and Black Widow will throw Red Skull down the cliff.
Don't you get tired of making videos about endgame?
its the most relevant movie, hell probably the most relevant THING at the moment, its mad good for views and shit, its pretty obvious they're doing it for views and money
Unless your surname is Reed your not smart for me your opinion wont matter @Richard
Anyone who saw it wouldn’t say that
Do you ever get tired of earning money?
I can see it now, "How a rodent, might have been the key to saving the universe"
You know what, Looper I can pump these videos out for you and we split the profits.
Hopefully sometime around phase 5 or 6 we get to see Sentry & Blue Marvel in the MCU. 😎 🤞
Right after her death I was like “TRY AGAIN! Go back and try again! Restart the movie!”
Lmao chill
So if gamora came back as a past version of herself couldn't they just do that for black widow?
Black Widow will be okay.
She just sprained an ankle.
Gamora was thrown off the cliff for the soul stone and now shes back lol Its a past version of her but it's still her. Do the same thing with Black Widow.
No. 2014 Gamora is not back. When Tony snapped his fingers, she, along with the rest of Thanos's children from 2014, went back to their timeline. Our modern-day Gamora is dead because Thanos traded her for the soul stone.
You can argue past Gamora is "still her" but it is not. 2014 Gamora, assuming she did not get snapped back to her timeline, has no memories of Quill or the rest of the Guardians. She had no emotional connection with them, therefore why would she choose to stay with them. Or why would she still be a desirable character if her personality and character growth isn't there?
@@exzaf That's because Gamoras relationship with them is new lol Black Widows goes back years and years...They could get 2 year old Black Widow and shed basically be the same. All I said is that it's possible to get Black Widow back in this timeline and it is. Plus Gamora being a 9 year old version was only because that's when they had to get the stone obviously they wouldnt go back that far if they were going simply to get Black Widow.
@@exzaf they didnt get sent back to their timeline they got erased from existence
The rest of the MCU will unravel without RD Jr.
Nah
@@user-py3py5sx2f I hope you're right.
If captain america returning the soul stone back at vormir.....wouldnt black window ve resurrected ?As red skulls said "A soul for a soul"meaning if a person return back the stone the person that sacrifice herself/himself will be alive back ?
BW probably got resurrected by Hulk's Snap but is stuck on Vormir with Red Skull
But the reverse snap only affects those that were targeted by the snap, she wouldn't be brought back. At least not that way I'd think.
here's my idea how to bring natasha back, i think it's reasonable to ask the red skull if bringing the soul stone back to vormir can revive natasha, after all, soul for a soul right?
Nikko Iwasaki
Red skull also said it cannot be undone
@@tspooner01 so basically it can be undone? so cap has a chance bringing her back?
@@tspooner01
But she still sacrificed herself to get it in the first place. She's still gone due to that act.
Thomas John
I understand but even when he returns the stone it won’t bring her back to life
I don't think returning the stone can revive her, if anything, cause that's essentially the emotional weight and "wisdom" behind the soul stone; the loss is permanent. If the sacrifice can be undone by just returning the stone, then it loses that important element; people wouldn't feel as bad or devastated about sacrificing the ones they loved if they can simply be brought back by returning it. The soul stone can't be traded like the other stones.
Hawkeyes death wouldve been more of a heartache for me just cause his kids would lose him, but it was the same motives in the end
DannyDarko27 the excuse of Hawkeye not dying because he has kids is hard to swallow, they happily killed off Tony and he has a child
They didnt fight each OTHER, they prevented each other from dying
Unrelated but when Nebula killed her past self wouldn't she disappear and not exist?
A Pacing Goose the 2 nebulas are in different timelines
This is not back to the future, they're both from different diffensions. That's why killing baby thanos wouldn't have fixed anything.
A Pacing Goose it will create an alternate timeline
A Pacing Goose robot
WHO CHOSE TO HAVE THE SCRIPT CHANGED SO BLACK WIDOW JUMPS OFF INSTEAD OF HAWKEYE!?!?!
I’m livid.
I definitely didn't want a Hawkeye death as he has kids, and we don't need two families in the MCU to grow up without fathers
Hawkeye: If all of your friends jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?
Black Widow: Yes, I would! (jumps off a cliff)
August 11, 2019, 12:02am
Black Widow had no closer no funeral. Using linear time travel would fix it call up Cable and Deadpool.
what if they introduce mistress death in the MCU and she brings back black widow somehow?
R.I.P. Thanos! You will be missed
shosoxsam
🤭
Ok, I don’t know why this question keeps coming up, I mean thought it was clear, they could only bring back people who had been snapped out by Thanos, like Black Panther, Falcon, Winter Solder, Scarlet Witch and so forth. If they were ones who died before the snap out or after the snap out, those were the ones who could come back, that was my understanding. Yes, I wish they could have snapped back everyone, Loki for Thor, Vision for Wanda and Natasha for Hawkeye. That’s another thing, why does everyone remember it like, Natasha wasn’t the only one that was lost to Thanos that they could bring back, remember why Thor was so mad, I mean it too bad Thor could of used it to bring back Loki and Asgard, but those things could be done.
writers will have to make some sense on her death and how she will return on the current timeline ...lets do this 👀