2.5 Years Later with my MockMill - What do I think now?
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Hi, In India we store wheat in large containters, and as we dont have big freezers, we put Neem leaves in the wheat grains, it helps preserving them form bugs
Great tip! Thank you for sharing.
How many leaves do you put in each bucket? Is just one or two dried leaves on top of the wheat enough?
If you weigh the wheat berries to the weight of flour needed it works so you will not grind too much or not enough. NO bagged flour allowed in my home since I got my mock mill three years ago. It’s a learning curve but so worth it all!
Yes, I think I learned this about 2 years after I bought my MockMill. Thank you!!
I have absolutely no room for freezing soooo, one tip is to vacuumed seal, this will kill anything, nothing can survive with zero oxygen. I buy my flour in bulk then measure out and put in paper lunch bags, roll down the bag then vacuum seal in a sealer bag, this keeps the flour from going into your vacuum sealer yet allows the air to be completely vacuumed out. I have been doing this for years with no issues, I do however put the packages of flour in Mylar bags and or buckets with oxygen absorbers just in case a bag looses its seal… Happy graining/milling! Oh and by the way, I absolutely love my Mock Mill too, the best! Thanks for this video!
How long does the flour keep this way?
@@rebeccafincher2486 I have had flour for over three & four years this way I am guessing it will last much longer but I continue to rotate and have not gotten past four years, maybe I will leave one bag for several more years to see? The one thing I will say is I do sift my flour into the container before using it for baking, ( my pantry storage container) it will/does have hard lumps in it due to the vacuum sealing but they come right out when sifted…
Just be aware that there are food grade paper bags and non-food grade bags. Because the flour comes in close contact with the materials use to make/glue the bag I want it to be food grade.
Great video, so much info I really appreciate!!!
This was a great explanation, thank you for sharing!
Thorough and very useful explanation. Many thanks for the video!
Thank You!
Love your thorough explanations! Informative and motivating.
The very first grain I purchased to grind into flour was a 25 pound bag of wheat berries from a very popular company. It was infested with weevils! I discovered the bugs while measuring it to grind in my brand new mill. Wheat, corn and other whole grains can be infested prior to grinding.
What company is this?
Extra protein. - the WEF approves of eating zee bugs.
I ordered my Mockmill 200 a few months ago that was on backorder. It's expected to come next week. I can't wait!!
Great video!
10:20 Store Your Wheat Berries in One, or Five Gallon Buckets with Bay Leaves is another way. ( Study on How Many Leaves )
Great video. I’m looking at purchasing a wheat grinder and making my own flour. Watching all kinds of videos to see all about the process.
This is such a great video. I use my mockmill to make Ezekial bread, which is a little bit of the 2 types of wheat berries, beans, lentils & barley. Turns out perfect everytime. If i have leftover flour, i just make Ezekial muffins.
If you weigh out your wheat berries first you won't have left over flour - 400 grams of berries = 400 grams of ground flour.
Thank you....I figured that out eventually. :)
Also I read that the nutritional content goes WAY down when whole grains are ground after the 72 hr mark! I read that making the dough and freezing it or baking the product and freezing it will LOCK in that nutritional content. Seems we were made to be close to our food source and grind on demand vs grocery stores.
Yes! The flour on store shelves offers very little nutritional benefit. Grinding on demand is such a great alternative.
I love love my mockmill xx
Me too!
Amanda, I LOVE my fresh sourdough rye bread!
I'm so glad to hear that!
Got the Ball jars at Walmart! I love them. You definitely have to be careful with flour. I do not have a grinder which no where near me to get the grains. It would be nice to be able to have access to the grains.
Have you looked to see if there is an Azure Standard drop nearby?
I've used Azure Standard several times for bulk grains/beans etc - very fresh products and better pricing!
Walmart has those Jars!
Loved your video. Thanks! I am trying to figure out the jar size I have to buy to store 5 lbs of grains. Do you think the gallon size will be too much or the right volume? Thanks!
A gallon would most likely be sufficient for most grains. I use a 5 gallon for most 25lb bags. The only exception I can think of is oats. The volume for the weight is larger.
Hi Amanda! Thanks so much for your sharing. This helps me a lot as a beginner in milling my own flour. A quick question about the difference between commercial whole grain flour vs freshly milled flour.
The main difference is how long that commercially milled flour has been sitting in warehouses, on store shelves and even in your pantry. Eventually, ground grains lose their nutritional value and can even oxidize depending on storage conditions. By grinding on demand, you are assured the best flour for your use.
@@TheHappyHomestead Super clear! Thx so much!
To avoid bugs use kosher salt with flour and don’t touch the flour with wet hands or store it in wet containers
As to the bug issue, can you freeze the whole grain to kill them? Also in weight measurements, if you weigh the whole grain will that be the ground weight?
THX for the vdo. Can we also grind coffee with this grinder?
While technically you can, I would not recommend it. It would be really hard to clean out all coffee bean residue for grinding grains.
Also, you don’t have the ability to really fine tune your grind as needed for different coffee applications.
I grinder long grain white rice in a mini food processor. The rice has to be soaked over night. The grind isn't super fine, but useable. If you were to grind rice with the MockMill, will it process properly if it retains a bit of moisture after drained from soaking ?
I would not recommend soaking any grain, and then putting it in the MockMill. It will gum it at the stone, and very well could ruin your machine. If you are interested in soaked grains, then I would either...
1. Purchase soaked/sprouted grains that have already been fully dried to use (azure has some)
2. Soak/sprout and fully dry yourself...but this will take time and I'm not sure you'll be able to do this in large batches.
I’ve noticed your KA mixer. Does it work well with fresh milled flour? I’ve heard they get very warm.
I actually don't use my KA mixer for bread, unless it's a yeast bread (which I rarely do). I do pulls and folds, or old fashioned kneading for my sourdough breads. It does get warm if I'm using it for 10+ minutes.
Very helpful! In searching for a good hamburger bun recipe, I clicked on the link you supplied, but the recipe calls for "bread flour" and "all-purpose" flour -- both off-the-shelf products. Are you making these buns with milled flour? If so, please share that information. Thank you.
Yes, I often replace AP with freshly milled flour. Bread flour is just hard red or hard white wheat.
Is there a reason you can't weigh the grain before you grind it so you have the exact amount you need rather than extra? The whole grain is being ground, right?
I love that you asked this! Because YES, you can. I do that now, but I didn't in the beginning because I was intent on having the best accuracy. But yes, you can easily weigh before and then put it into the MockMill.
Hi. Question, do you measure out the grain before grinding? For instance, if your bread recipe needs 400 grams of flour, do you measure 400 grams of wheat berries before the grind?
Yep, I have since learned that. Thank you! I suppose I should update with a video letting everyone know. ha
Looks like from all the comments you should make a recipe book for using at home milled grains!! It looks like it's needed. Have you used a specific recipe book for at home milled grains? What wheat would you use for cream of wheat?? My son loves cream of wheat and I bet it's much more flavorful milled at home.
I think you are right. I haven't used a book because I haven't found one. Just more trial and error over the last 3-4 years. For cream of wheat, I have no experience, but I would try soft white wheat because it will most likely create a creamier texture.
How well does it work with rice? I use primarily rice flour and am really struggling finding something recommended for grinding rice.
Works great! I grind for rice flour to rub down my bannetons for sourdough baking.
I'm extremely interested in milling my own acorns, because we have a burr oak tree that has given abundantly to us over the past few years. I don't know if I can afford the bigger MockMill versions; do you have an opinion on the KitchenAid mixer attachment? I have seen that as an option, and would probably save some money, since I have the mixer already. Just curious if you have any thoughts? Thank you for your wonderful information! God bless!
I actually have no experience with any of the KichenAid mixer attachments....I don't have any. Sorry I couldn't be of help, but make sure what every mill you get, it can accommodate acorns if that's what you wish to do.
Where did you get those Jars to store your wheat berries?
Target!
How about the fine flour dust when milling? Is there a lot of flour dust because it is open and not enclosed like others?
I have not had any issues with fine dust. I have seen that as a potential thing with the Nutri-Mill, but I haven't ever had that problem with the MockMill.
I'm looking at which to purchase right now!! Can't wait!! Question... Are you happy with the 100? Or do you wish you would've gone with the 200? I'm not sure. I think I bake just as much as you do, and make all of our bread products at home. Just not sure if I can save the $$. Thanks!!
I love the 100, and I'm so happy with it!
I am trying to decide the same thing -100 or 200. Great ?
If I weigh the wheat berries before I grind them will I get the same weight in flour?
For the most part - Yes, so it makes the process that much easier. But the volume will increase, weight will stay the same.
store your flour in mylar bags,
Yellow dent corn ground for corn bread. Oh my word, there is nothing like it!
Great tip!! Thank you!!
Try popcorn.... but you can't put popcorn thru these types of mills. I use a Grainmaker and I do all the grains, beans even peanuts (for peanut butter)
@miriamofsanik981 where do you get yellow dent corn from to grind for corn bread?
Excellent video! Love your honest feedback. Have you tried freezing your bread dough? I've been debating on purchasing the Mockmill for some time. This purchase would be justified (to me) if I could make and freeze dough to give to friends and family. Your thoughts?
I have no yet frozen bread dough. For no other reason than I just haven't needed to..and my freezer space is a premium!
I vacuum seal my sourdough breads. I make 10 at a time. It allows me to gift it easily. I am contemplating a Mockmill.
@@teriblouin4413 I do the same, vacuum sealing is a great way to store breads, I also freeze it vacuum sealed! Comes out tasting very fresh! I am sure you will love your Mock Mill if you decide to get one! 😊
@teriblouin4413
@lilmissbaker3173
Y’all both said you vacuum seal your bread/dough then freeze it.
Your vacuum sealer don’t smash the bread or do you only freeze the dough?
And what brand vacuum sealer do y’all both have?
What grain do you use for making sourdough sandwich bread. The happy homestead
I almost always use hard white or hard red.
Are you using just the soft white wheat for the buns? I haven’t tried it yet but thought there wouldn’t be enough gluten?
I would recommend half and half (half soft white and half hard white/red).
@@TheHappyHomestead Thank you for your response. I am very new to milling flour and baking with it.
If you weigh the wheat berries before grinding, is it the same weight after? I don't have my Mockmill yet, but I was trying to think how to grind just the right amount of flour to be able to keep all that nutrition.
Great question, it doesn't weigh the same. The best way to get accustomed to it is to just start. It's a learning curve, but one that you will easily master.
@@TheHappyHomestead If you put 200 grams into the grinder, you'll get 200 grams out - always weight the grain before to avoid leftover!
Yep, I finally tested this....you are right!
Cornmeal is the best from mock mill!
Hi. When you put your berries in before turning the grinder on and it got stuck….how did you fix it? I did that and have tried every piece of advice on CZcams and Mockmill website. I have only had it since this February and love it. But haven’t used it in a couple of months. I just forgot to turn it on first. When I tried to take the hopper off and check it, the gray cover over the stones would not turn counter clockwise to remove it. I’m at my wits end! HELP!
Oh no! Have you called MockMill? Try calling their customer support. This happened to me a few years ago, and I think I had to remove the top stone (I think). Call MockMill tomorrow and try to get someone to help you. I hope you can get it fixed.
Where did you get those covers? Are those one gallon jars?
lol, and you just answered my question?😂
Hi. Could you tell me what setting you would dial in if a recipe called for coarse rye meal?
I would start at 5, right in the middle, and see if that's the desired result.
@TheHappyHomestead thank you.
Do you ever get corn for cornmeal to cook cornbread?
I actually buy my cornmeal already ground from Azure Standard, but I could do cornmeal in the MockMill if I wanted to.
How fine of a flour are you able to get? I have found that, even at fine settings ( where you can hear the stone starting to kiss), and passing it through multiple times, i am not able to achieve a good consistent flour, like the stuff you buy at supermarket. I have to sift the flour, and that is very inconvenient.
I’ve never had to sift. It’s gets super fine.
There are tighter settings than just the ones listed on the side of the mockmill. There are videos on how to get to those setting you can get very course or very fine results with this mill.
@@mamabird2434 Thanks! I managed to send it back to Mockmill for a full refund
Thank you, Amanda! I have ordered some wheat berries from Azure Standard that I hope to have next month. I don't have a mill yet, but plan to order that. What is the best way to store a 25 lb bag of wheat berries?
Great question! I store in food grade 5 gallon buckets with a gamma lid.
Do you use Mylar bags inside the food grade bucket to store the grain?
I have Einkorn wheatberries but where did you buy the fresh ground Einkorn flour already milled?
Is it okay to store the small bag quantities in the glass jars? I just started milling and baking so I am not sure and want to make sure my grains that are small quantity (5# bags ) are stored properly. How long do you feel the grains can remain in the glass on the counter?
@@TheHappyHomesteadwhere do you get the food grade 5 gallon buckets from?
What is a gamma lid, do it come with the bucket or you have to purchase it separately?
Cornmeal is awesome!
I use a Grainmaker mill. I grind popcorn as well as yellow corn for corn breads
I haven't done corn yet, but as soon as I work through our cornmeal, I think I'll try it.
Does this machine flake grains, too?
Just grind...
For a beginner, who has used store bought white flour and want to switch to fresh ground, what would be the closest grain that would be the most like white flour? I am guessing soft white.
Hard white wheat is great for breads that need more protein/gluten structure (loaves of bread). Soft white wheat is great for things that don't really need structure (muffins, pancakes, etc).
@@TheHappyHomestead would the soft white be good for croissants?
Which one would be good for pizza dough?
@@TheHappyHomestead which grain would be good for pie dough and pasta?
Soft White would be best for croissants....and I would even do 1/2 SWW and 1/2 all purpose just to get that true soft fluffy texture. For pizza, I've used hard wheat and soft. Doesn't make much of a difference, because we prefer a thin crust, rather than a chewy one.
Soft white for pie dough, and for pasta you will want to use either Semolina, Einkorn all purpose or regular all purpose.
Can I mill garbanzo and Kidney Beans in it?
You can!
How do I know what size grind for my hard white and wheat berries for a sourdough bread?
I have only ever ground my wheat berries on the smallest size. I personally haven't found a need for anything larger.
Is the "smaller size" number 1 setting? And what is the purpose of turning the white handle?@@TheHappyHomestead
@@lynnw1449 1 is the smallest size. The handle or lever that you see is to change the size from 1 to 10.
I saw you grinding the soft white berries for your hamburger buns. Is that the grain you use for soft white bread? I have the Mockmill and like you I really enjoy it, but I am struggling when comes time to make bread on which and how much of the freshly grain flour to use vs the store bought flour. I say this because too many times I have used too much of my own flour and my bread have turned rock solid. What is your experience on using your own grinded flour? Great video!
I like to experiment....I use all my grains for all kinds of uses. For your bread - are you measuring by volume or weight? Are you cooking too long? Are you using instant yeast, or sourdough starter? I haven't had that problem, but I will tell you that whole grain flour is denser. You won't get the same result as a sandwich loaf in the store. Have you experimented with different recipes?
I think this is the best video of this kind I have watched, and I have watched lots because my Mockmill is on the way! Switching to weighing is superb advice, really for anyone who wants to take their baking to the next level. I have even switched to bread makers percentages which makes things so easy! The math is easy or I couldn’t have done it! I downloaded a little bread making app, I just put in the bakers percentages, tell it how much dough I want and it gives me the ingredients by weight! I can now very easily tweak recipes.
Is this stone grinder? Are all electric grinders, stone grinders or do they use blades?
It is a stone grinder....and it's fabulous!
Oh yeah. I know the Mockmill is a stone grinder. For some reason, this was a question for the video that came after this one but it came out on this video.@@TheHappyHomestead
Do you wash your berries before milling?
No.....if they get wet, it will mess up the grain mill. They need to be dry. They've already been sifted/sorted before I've purchased them.
@The Happy Homestead I buy mine from Azure Standard, and they are super clean. I didn't wash mine either for my first time milling. Thank you for your response. God bless!
If i grind rice ti make rice flour, is it shelf stable?
Yes! It's best to use any freshly ground flour within a week, but if I'm not using my flour with a couple of hours, I will store it in the fridge. And from the fridge into the freezer if I'm not using that within a couple of hours.
@@TheHappyHomestead ok, that's awesome to know! I just wondered if rice was different from wheat berries.
Is the Mockmill an impact machine?
I'm not sure what you mean by that....
No. It has ceramic corundum 'stones'.
@@TheHappyHomestead The Wonder Mill and the original NutriMill are impact machines, they have two sets of rotating blades that burst the kernels open on impact.
@@chelseal654 FYI. the technology was developed for the pharmaceutical industry.
Why are you still using bagged flour? I bought my mock mill and promptly ditched my bagged flour to make myself use only fresh milled flour. I’m so glad I did yes, learning curve but so well worth it. I grind on demand only even if it’s just a handful for thickners for gravy or such. Try it you will love it. Oxygen absorbers kill the eggs of moth or bugs of any sort my grains are kept sealed the eggs will not develop nothing lives no oxygen. I’m using some wheat my brother gave he he got in 1999 it’s wonderful makes best breads. Great video
The only bagged flour I buy is all purpose and Einkorn all purpose. Everything else I grind on demand.
@@TheHappyHomestead and why is that?
Because Einkorn all purpose has the germ and bran removed (just like regular all purpose, but instead is einkorn wheat berries)....and I can't remove the bran and germ at home. I like to use it every now and then instead of regular AP.
Hi Amanda! Thanks so much for your video. I am trying to find a best flour mill for grinding pearl millets, does the Mockmill produce flour close to extra fine all purpose wheat flour found in the Super market?
It has 10 level of coarseness, and I think the lowest level actually does get it pretty fine.