Ellenroad Engine House June Steaming Day 2015
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- A visit to Ellenroad Engine House on 7th June for the June Steaming Day. A number of Classic cars were on show outside the Engine House with visitors inside being entertained by the Littleborough Oakenhoof Dancers and Black Nan Band.
This video features The Worlds Largest working mill engine Victoria and Alexandra,The Marsden Engine and the Whiteless Beam Engine in action, along with the visiting Classic cars on show.
The second video • Ellenroad Engine House... features The Littleborough Oakenhoof Dancers & Black Nan Band performing in the Ellenroad Engine House.
If you like what you see. Take a look at The Ellenroad Engine House Website for future events.
www.ellenroad.org.uk/
Similarly if you would like more info about The Littleborough Oakenhoof Dancers and Black Nan Band check out their website.
cloggin.co.uk/content/littlebo...
A small selection of my photos of the day can be found at www.mollsmyre.co.uk/ellenroad7...
Many thanks to Zoe and all the Ellenroad volunteers,the classic car owners and the Littleborough Oakenhoof Dancers and Black Nan Band for a thoroughly enjoyable day.
Beautiful. Keep them going forever. British workmanship at its best. Well done.
I know it’s 5 years ago but it’s great to see a couple of young lads eagerly tending these magnificently made and presented machines guided by the wisdom of the elders. Let’s hope there are many more waiting in the wings. Just sayin!!!
I couldnt agree with you more.
If the young don't get encouraged to care for their history , then they are sunk . You cannot go forward without the guidance of the past . Good on these lads .
My goodness the engineering and craftsmanship that goes into this impressive machine. Made to last!
I totally agree, I like the centrifugal oilers at the flywheel end, I've never seen them like that before, what a great idea.
No, today's steam engines are written off in a few years. Almost like cheap cars.
That way they have to buy a new one every few years.
Keeps the manufacturers board happy.
Love this. So British. Elegance in engineering - eye music. Grabbed my self some Scotch and watched it a few times! The Corliss valve assembly is the best!
Irish engineering at its best. No wonder the brits never liked us
I never thought something so mechanical could effectively be therapeutic. Accolades to Mollysmyre County & to the Engine House for preserving their fine tradition. After 20 years in automotive repair I am thoroughly weary of our over-computerized age. I can't express what it does to see these relics of steam power alive & well 💜💙💜💙
Thank you very much, I couldn't agree with you more It is nice to get away from the 100mph push button light flashing life we all lead now and step back in time when life was just a little slower.
@@mollsmyre 😆 Lol. When modern times get under my skin, it's enough to envy the Amish. I would still want to do better than a 4th Grade education, but certainly would not mind returning to the pace of horse & buggy
Again, thank You for broadcasting your terrific video, & for your response 🚂
Corliss engine...incredible! A wonderful piece of craftsmanship the English have been well inspired not to scrap.
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3 estrellas para personas tan magnificas que no olvidan el pasado
Brilliant, love the shot of the 'floating coffin', I was half expecting the RNLI to turn up and rescue him! :-)
windypics photography They certainly were having a good time (with, I suspect everyone watching waiting for him to fall in :-)
@@mollsmyre oil rertt cfdtfggty
You say play when Pennies on the internet get me on the computer and I'll say bye
I often drive by this on the M62 and look on with interest, many thanks, now I know what it is all about
If by chance you have a little time to spare when you are passing take a pop in and see whats going on. I'm sure you would enjoy it.
Good to see younger people involved with the engines.
Where I live - many of the older generations of indigenous people believe that spirit is imbued in everything, even engines. I love how personal these old engines are - the great pistons: "Victoria" and "Alexandra".
And once again that stunning architecture and tiling: 13:04
Thanks mollsmyre.
Yes Ellenroad is blessed with a number of younger enthusiasts keeping these beautiful engines running.
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Chapeau vor dieser Technik und den Menschen die diese Errungenschaften so liebevoll erhalten.
Old men teaching young men it's the way I learned and I am greatfull of it
Thats the way it should be. Passing on their experience.
It's great that there are young people who want to do it. It wouldn't be the easiest job in the world.
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Once again Keith Appleton rebuilds a steam engine and makes it work perfectly!
lol
I keep expecting to see Keith pop out and start refilling lubricators.
@@edspivak6575 Yes! Many years ago I visited a steam powered natural gas pumping station in Pennsylvania with my dad, and I was surprised to see men manually filling the lubricators and I asked why didn't they use some kind of mechanical system. The man told me, this was the way they always did it, it was simple and allowed them to visually check each moving part as they made their rounds. The station now uses electric motors, but the steam pump is still on display and it still works so they keep it well maintained on standby in case of electrical failure.
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Where in Pennsylvania were they using steam engines to compress natural gas? What year? What was the design of the engines?
@@gregorymalchuk272 A bit of googling around suggests that the Bradford Gas Company (in Bradford, PA) used a steam engine in the 1880s, and others followed later. No mention is made of what type of engine but I can't view the full book on google books ("The Natural Gas Industry in Appalachia: A History from the First Discovery to the Tapping of the Marcellus Shale, 2d ed.")
So beautiful! We might be jealous!
I got to love that little tractor in the beginning that's what I would call a push me pull you 😂
Goodness, I was starting to get a little motion sickness watching the connecting rod going back and forth on my big screen!!! This is so cool!
The best part was the obvious rapport between the old hand and the youngun, and that the old hand was clearly still as fascinated as he must have been when he was a youngun!
Looks like our Heritage is being left in good hands.
For me, a very insightful reminder that age doesn’t differentiate when it comes to wondrous things. Great video, thanks for posting.
I love steam engines
Worked with Belli's mar com 500 KW in palm oil mills Malaysia.
I remember my dad taking me to the mill where he worked. They had a similar engine to this one, with high pressure cylinder at one side, low pressure cylinder at the other side and a monster flywheel in the middle. Lineshafts powering the looms or spinning frames on each floor were driver by ropes that fitted snugly in those grooves in the flywheel.
I have seen a lot mistake Mary’s demons on CZcams. This one is special! Just by viewing it on CZcams, you can feel the power, and you can also see the amount of love and labor that is going into keeping this stationary steam engine running.
It really is something special. Very impressive indeed. A lot of hard work has been done to get it to the standard we see today.
Fantastic!
Yes. Great place.
I love watching steam engines. They are not a " machine" they are alive !
I couldn't agree with you more.
Wow nice coverage 👌
Thank You.
I don't believe that today, something such as this could be economically manufactured or operated/maintained for the purpose of commerce. Still amazing what we are capable of doing when need be. Beautiful workmanship, invoking much pride.
Check the victorian (Mainly) Books on engine prices and running costs, all tabulated and calculated. Depends on how much your raw material and labour for the factory is too, and selling price of finished goods.
wooooow that gigantic flywheel!!!!! Spins crazy!!!
Amazing engineering !
Beautiful engineering. like works of art:)
I couldnt agree more.
That thing is alive, I swear!
Варламову привет из англии здесь невероятное количество очень ретро техники которую не сдали в металолом как заставляли с верху в ссср,а гордятся берегут и показывают для будущих поколений.
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My favorite age. I love the steam. It's true the clouds are cute.
Die Esthetik solcher Maschinen ist einfach unübertroffen.
ja, sind Sie
Hallo mollsmyre
beautiful machine thanks for video sharing
Thank You for Watching.
The steam engine lives forever.
I wonder if the gentleman at 10:55 worked there when the facility was still in production.
This is a lot of Unconventional fun.
Love that oiler at 9:30, genius
When I was 16 , I saw a similar engine removed from a mill in Rodley near Leeds ,Having watched the machine running may times I was so deflated when I arrived one Saturday morning and it had gone .The mahchine had rope drive between the flywheels it was highl polished by the engineer in charge .I never saw him or the engine again I am now 80 y old ,but I still feel the disappointment of that day .Rob Atinson
Hi Robin, They truely are wonderful machines. I dont suppose the people who operated them back in the day would agree. It must have been extremely hard work. I can fully understand your sadness when you discovered it had been removed.
@@mollsmyre I allso remember the engine room having fully painted walls and floors,I had to take my boots off before being allowed in.I was there with 2 older men to do a repair on one of the Lancashire boilers opposite the boiler engine room ,not really as tidy as it could have been. Best wishes Rob
Brilliant cinema!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks glad you liked it.
0:35 in this crazy day and age, the steam coming out of the pipes vented to the atmosphere is often portrayed as "polluted air being emitted by capitalist greedy corporations" rather than the simple steam that it is. Regardless, this is absolutely mesmerizing. The flywheel's speed is astonishing ... the POWER of it all!
go to china, North Korea, or Cuba you Idiot
Take away the iPhones and iPads from those shouting disparaging remarks about capitalist greedy corporations and they won’t survive two hours.
Từ trước tới nay chỉ được nghe trên sách vở về nhà máy động cơ hơi nước qua clip này mới nhìn thấy hình hài nó ra sao, wa quá đẹp và rất bóng bẩy
The momentum in that flywheel must be astronomical, hey?
This is the stuff of Steampunk "died and gone to heaven".
It certainly would be a perfect place for a Steampunk event.
a lot of fun there
Super video
Thank You.
WOW!, that was a helluva good showing!, the main display, the hoist engine(?), was neat as hell, that must have been quite the the occupation back in the heyday.
It certainly is a wonderful sight. I bet it was a rather stressful occupation as well.
Досить цікаве відео, дякую.
it's very best video.Congratulation
Thank You.
.......genial....
There should be a display of some pieces of the ropes that drove off the drum.
I'M FROM ASKERN NEAR DONCASTER AND NOT FAR AWAY FROM THE M62.I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE MET AND CAN'T REMEMBER HIS FIRST NAME BUT I WAS ONCE FRIENDS WITH MR WILLIAMSON WHO USED TO WORK WITH YOU AT ELLENROAD UNTILL HE SADLY DIED MANY YEARS AGO.
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6:22 perfect location for part of a steampunk movie
And what a fantastic movie it was ;)
AffordBindEquipment we gods
And we are going to have electric cars! Keep up the good work.
old is gold..... the basic of the technologycal advancement .... present genration is designing forgeting those basics.... should be kept alive for feature genration..... looking at those machines always inspection to invent new.....
I'd like to see another video about what it takes to do a blowdown on this after you shut it down, I bet it's a lot more complicated than a steam locomotive
Huge flywheel
دائما القديم مميز جدا
Awesome to see the kids in there, learning about all of it.
Its great to see them taking an interest.
The sound of that Old Villers Engine starting on UNCles Farm 1960s 🥴👍 The days here when England made tech machinery ran the world
If you Ask me the sound of the rock'n roll beat come from factory machines it just took time for the next Generation to cotton on to it🥴
You know, I grew up with rock 'n roll music but I thought the same thought. Those sounds are so great and wonderful and to watch the machines themselves is almost magical. Magic lost to the world.
Absolutely amazing. But what does the mill do
Its purely a Heritage attraction now.
nothing now. only the engine house is still standing.
the actual mill buildings were demolished when the UK cotton spinning and weaving trade died.
Not all mechanical wonders have to do things..For an instance a non-mechanicl Perliament...What does a parliament do except waste money .?????At least the steam engine entertains
تاريخ رائع لتطور الالات انها ارث يجب المحافظه عليه شكرا لمن يعمل على ذلك
Wonderful place. Everyone does a great job.
What does all this equipment and machinery do? What is the purpose?
wow wot a engine
It certainly is.
It certainly is.
Forgive an ignorant old yank for asking but what is the function of the steam engine? I see it's turning a huge black looking drum. Fascinating to watch, thank you.
Sorry for taking so ling to answer you. At present it is purely a museum. It was a cotton spinning mill around 1890.
It is the "Holy Steampunk Cathedral".
I see Doubble Boost in the house LOL
interesting machines, but I wish they would tell us what we are looking at, what is that big wheel with the groves in it?
The guys at The Ellenroad Engine House can explain it better than I could. Hope this helps. sites.google.com/a/ellenroad.org.uk/www/On-Site/victoria-alexanda
the grooved wheel is a pulley using ropes for belts to turn the pumps below he engine Mollsmyre thanx a lot noe it makes sense, it's amazing that they used ropes for belts but in that time a large rope would have been stronger than a leather belt, no nylon yet
Ya im with you on this one don't know what it do or what it was.It always helps to know what were looking at and what,well u know.
the big wheel is the rope drum and when mill was still standing and working it had 4 or 5 floors each with lots of looms, spinning machines etc.
Thick ropes round drum reached up through hole in wall just visible above the drum.
Ropes had to be 1-300 feet long to reach top floors of ill.
When I was little a mill by bus stop had a big beautiful engine all polished and painted and everyone like to watch it working...
the belts look shiny but it is linseed oil or a molasses compound to make them sticky so they had plenty of grip in the grooves.
The belt 'laps' half a lap round the big drum and the small drums on the line shafting and the half-a-lap friction and grip can transmit a lot of power.
That giant flywheel weights a ton! wait, what?
belle musique
Voor zoiets moet je in het VK zijn. Prachtig die liefde voor historische technieken.
Yes we do tend to like 'old' things.
@@mollsmyre I am jealous.
Hi, it's wonderfull! Where and when It happened? when Will bem next openhouse?
Ellenroad Engine House is in Rochdale Lancashire and the next Steaming Day is 7th July and features Small Air Engines and Large Steam Ones plus music from Mick and the Moonshiners. Hope this helps.
@@mollsmyre Thanks, best regards.
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old man in the groove 11:35
When I watch this I think about how cool it is, and that the people walking around think of it as a museum, but I wonder how many think of it as a place where people worked for years and years? To us, it is a bueatiful work of art and poetry, but to those past employees I'm sure many thought of it a dumb greasy machine.
Very True. The people working here would probably have hated the long hours and hard work. They would never have thought years later we would go there just to admire them.
6:50 that green governor post at floor level and unguarded, could be very dangerous ! 😢
Historisch wertvolle Technik!
Rube Goldberg comes to mind.
But will it fit in my Traxxas Slash?
the steam operated fire pump looked very interesting but the sprinkler system looked all painted and i believe i saw a sprinkler head within 7 cm of a hanger rod.
The US Navy ship that I left in 1990 had 3 electric fire pumps...and one steam-driven fire pump for those times when you have no power...
May I ask what the gentleman is preparing and purpose of the white paper coil at 4:45? Awesome majestic machine, excellent video thank you.
To be honest I dont know, I should have asked at the time. Sorry
Indicator Card. Used to figure out IHP (Indicated HP) by PLAN/33000 Pressure(MEP, from the card)*Length of stroke(ft)*Area of cylinder(in^2)*Number of power strokes(min)/33000
I was indicating the engine to check the valve timing which I had noticed was not equally set on each of the 4 inlet valves nor on each of the 4 exhaust valves on the HP cylinders. We did an initial indicator test to check how far out of tune the valves were, then reset the valves cold from measurements from tables in a 1908 textbook. Then we fine tuned them with the engine hot, again using the indicators to draw graphs on the paper showing us what is happening inside the cylinders. The paper is put onto the indicator drum which is rotated back and forth by the string attached to the crosshead linkage in time with the position of the piston. The instrument has a small steam cylinder and piston connected to the steam pipe valved into each end of the cylinder. The instrument's piston operates against a calibrated spring which pushes a scriber up and down to draw a graph of how the steam pressure changes inside the cylinder in sync with the position of the engine piston. This gives you the point the inlet valve admits steam, the point of cut off, the opening of the exhaust valve and the closure of the exhaust valve before the end of the stroke to produce adequate compression. We adjusted the inlet valves to open exactly at back (or front) dead centre and the exhaust valves to close early enough to compress the trapped exhaust to half steam chest pressure - which acts as a 'steam spring' to store energy to help stop the 4 tons of pistons and rods and send them back the other way twice every second and also reduces wear on the crank and crosshead pins and main bearings. One can also calculate horse power by analysis of all 8 indicator graphs (one for each end of each cylinder).
@@anthonypilling151 Thank you for the detailed information, it is all very interesting.
Here is what the mill engines were driving through the belts and line shafting: hundreds of looms making basic thin cotton cloth for sheets, tea towels, etc.
This Queen Street mill had just one floor as it was important to have glass roof to get daylight to see any flaws in the finished cloth. But most mills were 3-6 stories with upper floors having machines like cards, creels, rovers, doublers, condensers which didn't need so much daylight.
The owners of these mills must have made and invested fortunes over the centuries.
czcams.com/video/LtALjfYav0k/video.html
Thank you for the Information and the links to those excellent videos.
Beautifully maintained stationary steam engine. How many shaft horsepower??? Thousands by today's measuring standards?? What is the function of the segmented and fluted flywheel? I have not seen one like this. Very nice. Good Work Chaps!
Cheers
I agree it is a beautifully maintained engine and a credit to those who built it it and the guys who maintain it now. I'm not 100% sure but I believe its 2650hp and to be honest I have no idea about the segmented flywheel. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
So 100 years ago this machine had no other purpose than to impress people?
It would be helpful to know if it was pumping water or making electricity, or something else.
Maybe that would also give an idea of what the flywheel actually did.
More than likely this engine was used to pump water into the city. The flywheel appears to have many grooves for v belts which may have driven an assortment of different kinds of loads inclusive of water pumps, generators, and coal gas compressors. A great deal of industrial commerce as well as every day domestic life was run off of coal gas, and it was compressed and run through pipes to street lamps, cook stoves, heaters, and many other devices that could run off of a gas form of hydro carbon, like coal gas. Flywheels on steam engines provide kinetic energy storage in that they maintain the rotating force in a smother method. It is also where all the different systems coordinate their individual functions in a steam engine inclusive of valve timing, speed regulation and delivery of power to ancillary devices and loads. A reciprocating engine of any kind with out a flywheel to damp out power pulses runs very rough, and irregular.
Apparently Ellenroad was a spinning mill so this power plant was used to spin yarn, thread and other millinery, fabric and other like products.
Thanks a lot for the answer.
I read this too on the history page.
"In the late 1880's the Ellenroad spinning Company was formed to respond to the boom in the cotton trade. They turned to the well respected Oldham architects, Scott & Sons, to managed the design and construction."
So I guess it was providing "engine power" to all the weaves and sewing machines and so on, needeed in a factory of that kind.
In the steam age it was normal to have long rotating shafts going under the ceiling, through the factories where belts went down to each machine to provide power and movement.
That can even be seen in old movies.
But electricity is easyer and more efficient, and takes less space, so today all equipment has it's own build in motors.
I love the steam age, but I also think it was only a steppingstone in history to get to where we are now.
Who's job is it to be the tachometer?
THe engine house is all that remains as the 4-5 story mill was demolished.
It certainly must have been a very impressive sight.
The original millbuilders were proud of their mills and engine so the engine house usually had big 'cathedral' windows to let plenty light in and show off the engine.
I used to see one like this when waiting for bus about 65 years ago. It was all painted green with lots of polished brass and copper and the inside walls were tiled in white tiles...looked really good.
Have a look at this one complete with the ropes at 3:01 going over a dummy pulleyat 5:34 as though they are still going up to spinning and weaving machines. But they are shortened and just run round a dummy pulley to show it it was originally.
It's quite nice to stand beside the engine when it is working ...
www.bancroftmill.org.uk/video.html
@@rosewhite--- Because the the decision to demolish the mill building had been made to create a new factory, in doing so the rope race structure lost its supporting brickwork and would not stand on its own so required controlled demolition.
I don’t know who manufactured the engine itself but like most large stationary steam engines of the day it used a Corliss valve gear which was invented by George Henry Corliss. He allowed his invention to be used by many companies. I am sure he was paid a licensing fee for the use. Read about Mr Corliss
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Henry_Corliss
What's the mass of the flywheel?
And was that little white chord some sort of kill switch to instantly close the steam valve?
For when somehow the governor gets stuck and the engine starts to run away out of control?
So sorry in delay in replying to you, only just found the message. Afraid all I can tell you is Victoria and Alexandra is 3,000 horsepower with a 80 ton flywheel. Again not sure if the cord acts as a Kill Switch but I think you may well be correct . Apologies for not being more helpful.
@@mollsmyre Thank you. 80 tons of spinning flywheel, that is a lot of kinetic energy and torque!
and does this engine when running still gives power to the electric system?
No I'm afraid not. Its purely Heritage now and only runs on open days.
i feel like a waste of money and energy not to put this big engine to run something at all
Sorry for the delay in replying. I fully understand what you mean but it only runs a few times a month for short period of time. Ellenroad Engine House is a Heritage site and is only in steam the first Sunday of each month. The admission price goes towards the running costs.
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Is this a compound engine? Does it have a condenser? What was it originally used to drive? Thanks for your time!
@@gregorymalchuk272 Yes its a Compound engine with condenser and was operated in the cotton industry.
thats what i like to see,at start of video,a mill chimney doing what its supposed to,smoking,it usuly means at the bottm of it,is a wonderfull bank of lancahire boiler,s & a steam engine,that works,great
Glad you liked it.
What was the purpose of the piece of string from one end to the other that one of the "blue crew" strung out at the beginning? I kept waiting for it to pull tight and bring the whole monster to a grinding halt. Never happened.
Sorry for the delay getting back to you. I am embarrassed to say I dont know the answer to your question. I had wondered this myself and had every intention of asking but sadly I never got round to it. I will most certainly be asking on my next visit. Hopefully someone might let us know and put us out of our misery.
Lovely video, shame about the big rusty engine outside left to rot... Are there no plans or considerations to restore it?
Thank You. I believe there are plans for it but I don't know when. Like everything else in the world it will probably be down to money.
There are indeed plans to get the Fern running, although i expect ill be about 45 when it does. We have however got the white horizontal from the car park running!
Steam powers all volcanos.
That flywheel was originally built for our moon.
Para que sirve toda esta maquinaria
It is a Museum. Lets us see what working life was like many years ago.
What's the purpose of all the grooves on the OD of the flywheel?
Sorry Im afraid I dont know. Hopefully someone will provide the answer.
Those grooves were for the rope drives to the mill machinery.
Each floor of the mill had a ceiling full of line shafting, with pulleys for each machine. All that belting and all those whirling wheels were fully exposed, mind you-easy to lose your wiggly bits 🖐if you were careless.
'Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of OSHA violations...'
what is the year of manufacture of the engine?
1892
At 3 : 10 somebody buy the stoker a proper coaling shovel !
How much energy is stored in that flywheel?
I believe Victoria & Alexandra together were capable of delivering 3000 horse power.
Do you happen to know the weight and inertia of this huge flywheel?
The Flywheel weighs over 80 tonnes.
@@mollsmyre So technically, that is 160,000 lbs. I thought, with its massive size, it would weigh a lot more than that.
No wonder the Stokers shovel is bust the way he threw it on the floor and caused a trip hazard.
is it me, or is the steam engine running the cable roll in the anime "steam boy"?
I watched this twice and still didn't see where the chocolate bars came out...
7:48
that thing must be very scary at full speed. you'd get PTSD after working on this engine for a full 10h work day
Yes, Its very impressive.