1904 #4 Jewell Steam Engine Evaluation
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- #4 Jewell Automatic Cutoff Steam Engine. On 80 pounds steam pressure at the engine, it is rated at 15HP at 220 RPM and 18HP at 280 RPM. Rites Patent Governor. Some Frank M. Rites steam engine patents are available from Google Patents. The governor only has one moving part, the bow-tie shaped iron casting. It has a pivot point that is offset from the center line of the casting. When in motion the forces tend to rotate the governor weight so it is is close to the center of mass. A spring opposes the action and such forces are balance when the governed speed is reached. If more load is applied the flywheel tends to slow down. The governor weight will tend to overtake the flywheel and changes the position of the valve eccentric which admits steam longer in the cylinder.
The earliest catalog information I have been able to find for the Jewell line of horizontal steam engines is 1908. Not much is known who actually made these. Some internet antique machinery forum discussion s have suggested it was a company named Clark Machinery at location unknown. If you go by the flute styling of the cast iron cylinder jacket plates, it can be concluded they also made conventional throttle governed engines as well. I have a 5X8 horizontal engine that has the exact same styling on its jacket cover plates. This engine has stamped on its steam chest 1904 and shop number 850. It was acquired it in 2004 or 2005. It supposedly was used in a Louisana sugar mill. As I remember it was not stuck but has spent its post-industrial life outdoors. Covered in mold, moss and lichens it was a mess. I did run on air but a 1/4" air hose did not prove much. In 2006 a steam test was made using a 3/4" steam hose. This proved much the same as the air test. Having never worked with an automatic cutoff engine I did not know what to expect. It ran and it reached a governed speed. The exhaust had a rather wheezy or asthmatic sound to it. Little more was done for the next 11 years except to oil it and occasionally rotate the flywheel. In November 2017 the engine was connected to the Brownell boiler seen in previous videos using a 1-1/2" steam hose which is the max steam outlet size of the boiler. New to the Brownell boiler is a cover to the smoke stack.
This video is compiled from three days of testing in November 2017 to evaluate the condition of the engine.
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Thank you for including the note about Dave Richards. It's great to see folks keeping the mechanical history alive.
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My father was called Dr. of engines from collectors across the United States! He had over 350 antique hit and miss gas engines! Titans, Galloways, sandwich etc. 👍
Watching you run these machines is like watching you make gold!
It is amazing that anything got accomplished before this invention! I Love It!!
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I love these old engines. I also think it's cute that it appears this widow maker's full-time job is to cut fire wood for its own fire box. I enjoyed the video and thank you for sharing. Cheers!
I'd argue that this setup is safer than modern saws. There are no pinch points and plenty of clearance around the saw, you'd likely get bounced off or thrown away from it if you came into contact with it. Modern saws with their metal shields and plastic retractable safety guards are death traps guaranteed to suck anything they grab into them.
The only death trap really present is where the belt returns to the flywheel, but you'd basically have to lunge into it willingly, there's no reason to be anywhere near it during operation.
Perpetual engine? lol
thanks for the upload. An amazing engine, gosh I sure would love to have one to play with
Video is very much clear and each step is shown while starting this queen...
Great video, I'm a retired operating steam engineer and have falling in love with your boiler and cut off saw. wish you lived close to me, your friend from Fl. thank you for your time!
1904 --- 2020 = 116 années de bons et loyaux services ...J'adore . Bravo pour cette prouesse ... !!!
Merci.
Great stuff thanks for sharing amazing how high of quality stuff was then
Sweet setup you've got there , thanks for sharing it with us .
Its an old engine
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“The steam blower helps urge a reluctant fire to life” holy shit, that was the understatement of the year.....
This is GREAT, cutting wood for the boiler and probably for a stove in the house. I am familiar with governor flyweights, seen those on engines at N.E. steam an wireless museum, love to see a 3 phase alternator with exciter as amps an volts are my thing. This is very impressive .
This is so cool, thank you for sharing!
That's a pretty early patent for automatic cut off. You can really see the valve stroke increase as the speed slows down. Very nice demonstration and video. Hope to see more of it when you get it straightened out a little more.....Dave
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i was looking for that, maybe my old eyes can't quite see it.
Is there a name for this particular kind of valve gear?
When crosscutting, having one hand on each side of the blade will close the kerf and bind the saw. Use both hands on one side, or one hand and a push stick when the stock gets short.
So cool, I love to see ingenuity from our history live and in action. Though this whole set up makes me nervous as hell!!
A little more TLC would go a long way. Very cool video. Thank you for sharing.
Can't wait to hear how this sounds after the bearing knock is gone. Subscribed!
I loved counting the many OH&S issues with this whole set up :) ;). A great sound and smell.
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Someone finally showed the oiler working. Good stuff. A+ video....
I'm late to the party, but many thanks for the Rites Patent Governor information. I watched the entire video without seeing any sign of a classical flyball mechanism, and was baffled by your references to a governor. Once I read your text all made sense. I have now d'loaded copies of various Rites patents for further study. Great fun!
FYI the Rites governor was also applied to the Fairbanks-Morse YH series of stationary diesel engines.
Ah, the memories this video evoked. You might want to check the dish on the saw blade. It should "sing" when buzzing wood. Also the RPMs are a bit low. Or perhaps, get a larger diameter blade.
Thank you for sharing your video,,, this is Great to see ! ! !
Love the dancing belt seems a bit loose but seems to be working fine
Oh OSHA is gonna get you...:-) great video. That thing scared me and I'm watching on CZcams. I thought the engine was take off the way it was going. Great video, lots of hard work on your part...thanks for sharing...
The flat belt seems loose, which lets it slip. Also,, from my experience in belt work, you might want to flip the belt inside out on one side, which makes the belt stand on it's side in the middle. It keeps it from flapping up and down. It also wears on both sides, extending belt life.
Lol....that belt looks like a monster laughing! Just a couple days ago I was in the woods visiting the site of an old mine and stamp mill here in Oregon. It was a intensely quiet and peaceful. You know that to run that mill they had to have at least one of these things running constantly to crush the ore. The sound must have carried for miles!
Wonderful machine, Looks like fun !
Like other people have said “ sharpen the saw, engine won’t have to work as hard .
Saw twice as much wood !
Good video! Lovely machinery
Cheap worn crankshaft bearing fix is to cut up beer cans and place around the shaft. The aluminum last way longer than you would think.
Loved this well produced video! Tell me, how much of the engine and boiler are original? A lot of the fittings don't look like they could be over 110 years old. And what is that other machine behind the saw do?
The boiler is from 1934. All of the fittings are period or as close to period appropriate as can be found today. The smoke stack and smoke hood are new as of 2015 and is ALL riveted following period practice. Look for a future video on the boiler. The engine is all original to me. See video #1 for the machine behind the engine.
It's like the saw blade doesn't have enough set to the teeth.
Very satisfying. Thanks for the sharing.
Beautiful engine. I would love to have one of those in my yard... My neighbors on the other hand would probably not be thrilled.
I am so glad I don't have neighbors ! I could never live beside anyone... I have to have my own space... I would go into a deep depression without it..
I would keep it running 24/7
Live in a ghetto..
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"An aging, lawn ornament, power boiler". Those are some pretty scary words.
Very interesting Video. Jewels are well made engines. You have an interesting channel and do nice work.Good projects.Lots of behind the scenes "work" goes on behind these short videos and I can see how hard you work at it. Thank you:) Lester Bowman.
Thanks for the compliments. I am trying to tell a story that is both entertaining as well as informative with each of these videos.
i always miss a heart beat when we shown a log cutter
I like CZcams because you get to see stuff like this ... from the other side of the world.
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Nice piece of machinery! Its awesome
It is amazing that the drive belt manages such a power transmission despite the low tension.
The magic is derived from that industrial elixir called belt dressing. It adds just a hint of tackiness to the belt surface.
out here in the west, that much smoke would have two fire trucks on the way and a slurry plane on standby
The sound of that buzz saw blade stalling out in that block of wood raises the hair on my arms, I use to hate cutting firewood with my father, who ran a model T ford engine and a similar swing table set up. I had to stack the blocks and being about 10 years old, I was never fast enough or strong enough.
Interesting story. A friend of mine really enjoys cutting. When I would take the saw to a show he wanted to do the sawing and I let him. It reminded him of the time he did it with his father.
Well done! Wonderful! Thank you.
That's a real jewel you have there!
JIM
PS if you sharpen the saw it will cut better and be safer to use.
Very strong machine thank you for sharing. Hug
I wonder if a "reversing valve" as is used on Locomotives could be adjusted to make the operation more smooth?
I was waiting the whole video to hear the steam whistle!
Excellent video.
I think it is really great to see that Brownell boiler in action, as it was made not far from where I live in Dayton Ohio. Hard to believe Dayton used to be such a center of heavy industry at one time, but it is true.
I like the Brownell boiler too since it an Ohio Standard boiler which it is built heaver than contemporary boilers. Most boilers this size, built for 100psi, would have a 1/4" shell. The shell on this one is close to 5/16"
Quite interesting to see the bearing shells bounce around like that ......
Wonderful video of a classic steam engine and boiler procedure! Only caution might be that there probably should have been a locomotive-style or screen type spark arrest on the smokestack of the boiler - given that the demonstration was in a wooded area...cheers, from Toronto
You have a lot of nice toys. I'm envious.
Gracias por mostrarnos como funcionan estas máquinas. Parte del mundo moderno fue hecho con máquinas como estas. En un futuro apocalíptico el mundo volverá a ellas (Ojalá nunca pase). Mis saludos desde España.
Den meisten Spass, macht das feuern des Kessels, dann kommt die Versorgung der Dampfmaschine und, naja als notwendiges Übel, die Arbeit an der Kreisäge, damit man wieder feuern kann. Ich liebe diese Maschinen.
The most fun, makes the firing of the boiler, then comes the supply of the steam engine and, well as a necessary evil, the work on the Kreisäge, so you can fire again. I love these machines.
Very nice engine and boiler. I also have a steam plant similar to yours in my back yard. I also use it to cut fire wood. I also make home made ice cream with it.
Я думаю всё заточено под бревна гораздо большего размера и длины , а иностранец пилит на кусочки "пятаки"! Леса то у них нет! Хотя и у нас, теперь, нет. Классная техника! А диск просится на подточить.
Não é todo dia que se uma máquina dessas por aí...parabéns pela preservação de um passado
Great video. Hypnotizing. At 18:24 is your fireman the boiler inspector? Ha that is so cool. Are you going to poor new Babbitt for those wayward pulleys? Thanks for sharing your work and ingenuity.
Dave
I love old American steam from small to giant Awesome piece of history enjoy.
Thank you for this wonderfull Video
Yours Frank
Don't forget to always Purge into someone else's unprotected face...
Not only are the pillows loose and worn ,the wobbling is beating the rod and eccentric bearings. I know I would be running it and sawing and playing also ,before taking apart and re bearing it. It’s better and more fun that way,it’s the only way, and as you are rebuilding ,you hear it running in your head!
I realise the valve slide is pitted and leaking to the exhaust port but also the bearings being shot on the crank are affecting the valve timing too..
Great stuff really interesting clip, the industrial revolution was a huge leap for mankind
Hi, I wonder how long is it work with fill water the boiler while feeding fire?
how many kW of power is spent to heat that huge flow of exhaust steam while giving how many kW into the saw blade intermittently?
Thank you for sharing.
Beautiful sound
That whistle looks like it could be made by 'lunkheimer, as i have a large 3 chime from a steam loco, sounds good too.
It's a 5" Lunkenheimer.
The blade is painfull.
I really have no idea why this was in my "recommended" but it seems rather interesting to watch btw the connecting belt seems like very dangerous thing if it slips out of these wheels
excelente video, pero para los que no conocen el uso de estos motores, su fuerza no viene de la velocidad, sino de la inercia, por eso JAMAS se pone la cinta de tracción en el volante de inercia, solo se debe poner en el eje plano que tiene al costado, ya que si lo pones en el volante pierdes un 60 y hasta un 70% de su fuerza, la prueba es que cortando un simple tronco ya se frenaba, en cambio si lo pone en el otro eje, gira mas lento pero con 4 a 6 veces mas fuerza, sin frenarse y compensado por el volante de inercia podría mover maquinarias mas grandes (yo use muchos meses en el sur uno de estos y solo con correas, daba poder motriz a 2 tornos de precisión enormes y 1 fragua al mismo tiempo), y el motor ni siquiera se frenaba.
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Steam has an awesome amount of power but only when you reave your belt correctly. You have the belt on the flywheel it should be on the drive wheel, sharpen your tools, more often. It will not stall if you set up the ratio properly.
No he placed the belt on right direction because high rpm for blade is needed for cutting operation if he place the belt on drive wheel then blade will rotate with low rpm with no optimum cuttings!
Route the engine exhaust into and up the boiler smoke stack. The discharge up the stack will help draft the fire box a stoke the fuel. And running you belt on the smaller diameter "belt drive wheel" will let the flywheel do its job and you wont experience as much speed loss when cutting. And your belt is really loose!
Sharpen that blade man. Also belt is so loose. Did you greased bearings?
Seems OK now - next on your list is to sharpen the saw teeth and reset to give a slightly wider cut?
gostei e interessante mergulhar na historia e ver essas maquinas centenárias funcionar.
Sounds like the sawblade could use a sharpening......seems to be leaning a little heavy into that wood.....
Great job!
Like the "Just in Time" wood supply.... lol
Really nice!
auto played from a video I was watching on how to cut a turkey. Stayed to watch because I was kind of hoping it might all explode.
Excellent video! How long before the combine threshes again?
Since it belongs to my boiler inspector friend, I could not say. I think is is really a spares source to maintain another machine.
The oilers looked empty. Should they be filled before running the engine to lubricate it?
That is a great steam engine. I fully understand why you want to play with it. You are loosing a TON OF MECHANICAL POWER DUE TO BAD BEARINGS... If you keep running it. YOU WILL COMPLETELY DESTORY IT! I clench my teeth listing to her eat her self on every turn of the crank turns. Being the crank bearings are bad. I would be willing to bet the cylinder is also worn out and you are loosing a lot of mechanical work there as well. I truly hope your restore the engine. Thanks for sharing it with us...
This steam engine is totally worn out, everywhere there is slack, to start on the head crankshaft. Those bearings are totally worn out.
Fun hobby project for the winter.
Yes it would be but I have a few projects ahead of it.
Now I don't know anything about this equipment but I would venture to say that drive belt could stand to be taken up just a bit... No ???
I have seen saws set up similar to this which did not have the steel frame over the blade. As a suggestion, sharpening the saw blade and setting the teeth will go a long way to better operation of the saw. I agree with many that the belt is too loose. A sag in the top travel of the belt is necessary but you have way too much. Look up the videos of traction engines belted up to separators and other equipment. I also think you should run the belt over the pulley on the engine shaft instead of the flywheel. You won't get the saw speed as over the flywheel but with a sharp and set saw it will work better.
I learned to fire on a 10 hp Case traction engine at the Agricultural Hall of Fame & National Center at Bonner Springs, KS in 1966.
do you used softened water in the boiler and do you use any kind of water treatment?
Very Cool, Thumbs Up Liked for you.
The way it’s going is, saw a few pieces of wood, put them in the fire 🔥,adjust the engine, saw some more, elicit the help of an inspector,saw , drink ,eat ,stand and marvel in awe of the awsome set up. But there is no wood to sell to support the operation?🤑. So it’s a closed loop?
I would not change a thing.
Some additional research as to who the manufacturer of the Jewell steam engines this was found:
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Indicating the Jewels were made by C.H. Dutton of Kalamazoo. The governor on the Jewell engine, not a Rites, in this advertisement is close to the governor on my other automatic engine. It too might be C.H. Dutton
Outstanding video! Thanks! I do have to say though that wearing gloves around a saw blade is a really bad idea. If one tooth of the blade barely catches the leather it will pull you into the blade. Same with long sleeves, rings, necklaces, long hair or shirt tails. Be careful sir. I am now a sub.
Nice to see an operating steam engine in work clothes.
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I know, I'm in a completely different industry, but you've gotta have negative feedback to prevent oscillation, and keep the load line balanced right down the middle. An antique engine, or an antique amplifier, it's not really all that different in theory.
Shows how tough these engines are
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Man I love these! A wonderful feat of engineering. Back when there was pride and craftsmanship. A true product that was meant to last. As opposed to the disposable garbage built today. Lets see any Wal-Mart junk last 100 years HAHA. I love seeing these old engines be them steam, or oil/gas/diesel fueled, still alive and kicking, and still being put to good work!
What a load of BS. That's like all those people that say how much better old cars were because after spending thousands of dollars on them they can be made to run and look new again, so somehow they must be better than a modern engine that can go for 300,000 miles without a major rebuild whereas those old engines were basically shot after 100,000 and needed a rebuild.
At 4:57 are you simply dumping any water that has condensed?