So many people are confused on me saying that Broly "Stood up to Gogeta Blue." The definition of standing up to someone is to "defend yourself against a powerful person". By that definition, Broly stood up to Gogeta Blue. He didn't WIN, but he stood up to him. LOL
He didn't stand up to gogeta blue wym, not only did gogeta not use his full power, but broly didn't hit him a single time when he went blue, the most he did was get bullied and take hits without dying
@@st4ne4rmthevill63 Black Frieza trained for 10 years inside of another version of the the Hyperbolic Time Chamber/Room of Spirit and time. There are more then one so we don't know how long he was actually in it in standard time but time moves different in there. The version of it on earth 1 day in the room is equivlant to a year passing by. In the morro arc goku and Meerus trained on meerus's ship which had a similar abilty where a few hours or days in this one room was the equivlant of a few months of training but that may have been meerus using his divine powers.
'how did they get stronger?' 'they trained' 'and what does that training entail?' 'i dunno, they just trained, like, a lot' 'doing what exactly?' 'i just said, training'
I got tired of power scales during Battle of Gods and subsequent DB: Super, and now this bullshit ass Cell Max can contend with The Legendary Super Saiyan, tis the reason I just haven't had the hype to watch DB Super Hero
Ngl I wish there was some residue left of Cell Max, so another arc of Perfect Cell Max could be a thing to really see his potential. DB still has a lot of potential to build upon the series
I agree. They say Cell Max is a completely different entity from the original Cell, but if it were possible for Max to become complete, it would’ve been so cool to see.
He appeared unstoppable the first time also, in fact arguably, he was far superior than all the main characters the first time; hundred of millions x as powerful; and the odds still got tipped in Goku's favor when he discovered super saiyan. I don't think Frieza is at that level anymore; although I want him to stick around because he's my favorite enemry character followed by goku black. Cell I think would be a problem; but there's no way Cell (in his right mind) would take the side of Goku against his potential ally (at the end of dbz, and also gt).
I mean, Toriyama said a Perfect Cell Max would give Broly trouble. *What people fail to realize is that Broly is one of the few reasons WHY Frieza bothered training for a new form to begin with.*
Let's be real here. Cell is Broly but better, or at least he SHOULD be. Cell has sayain DNA, meaning he gets zenkais when he heals from a beating. Cell has piccolo's DNA, meaning he should be able to heal as he fights gaining Zenkai's at the cost of energy. We dont know Cells exact specs, but If his healing was upgraded along with getting infinite energy like 17/18, then Cell could do what Broly does but better. Sure, imperfect Cell max doesn't have Regen, but perfect Cell max my be a different story. So Cell could fight freiza, be beaten, spawn Cell juniors, and use them to tank frieza's hits as he heals and fights. Eventually Cell gets the upper hand and freiza gets too winded to continue.
@Flow Senpai So the current duo that got bodied by Granolah, folded by Gas, and one-shot by Frieza? Gooood, they're stronger than Broly, *yeah so is everyone else.*
@@user-zs6df9sb4iright they ruined him making him a mindless beast that grew huge.. also I think it would been way more entertaining having Gohan transform and then having an awesome battle with him.. not just completely outclassing
This is something I’ve been thinking about a lot. I haven’t watched any videos on it, so these are my thoughts right out the gate. Let me know what you guys think! 🤔💭
They mean TRAINED Broly. Gohan went form buu saga to pre TOP SSB in a few hours of training. Broly is getting training from the martial artist Goku, who has dipped in the techniques of the gods. Meaning that, as Broly was stated to be the strongest man NUMEROUS times, it at the very least makes him decently above Goku, and, at the most, puts him above black Frieza. Also, Cell max saw Gogeta fuse, meaning that he can create cell Juniors as strong as himself, fuse with them, and use godly techniques like TUI and UE, since he saw those, aswell. So, multiple far above TUI Goku Cells fusing and using god forms with multipliers far above forms that have lowballed multipliers of 100K could easily oneshot black frieza. Hax and technique-based forms have gotten strong enough by super to the point that people like Cell need mental nerfs, and MASSIVE ones at that.
@@sallypretzels2494 That’s a lowball. He can fuse with clones, pop out already fused clones, fuse with them, etc., etc. he could increase his power at an exponential rate. In a few minutes of doing that he could, most likely, enhance his power billions of times excluding the god form techniques he built up. This is only if he did that for a few mins prep, btw. Also, they could’ve seen hit’s timeskip, which cell max could enhance to minutes to use to fuse before battles.
You do realize that a Perfected Cell Max is just normal Cell Max but with a brain, right? He wouldn't transform into a Red Perfect Cell, he would look exactly the same, just be able to think.
After watching superhero I had my own theory that after Dr hedo joined capsulecorp, he and bulma got to work on making a superhero perfect cell max™️(brought to you by capsulecorp) to join the good guys in the new super anime. And maybe it’ll secretly get too intelligent and become an antagonist again in the future.
I'd love to see cell as a good guy fighting along side goku and vegeta vs black freiza and they even train cell max aswell with broly and goku and vegeta.
@@jasonverdusco4838maybe they dumb down his intelligence until they figure out he's an ally, then upgrade his system? Bit when he upgrades, he secretly becomes a heel when he one shots goku or vegeta and takes sides with frieza. Then they need Brody and gohan/piccolo to possibly win.
What I think makes this a good theory is how could he achieve perfection AND how strong he’d be even without training. Can you imagine just absorbing 1 or 2 guys and now you can face guys like the gods of destruction
It was already perfected, although the carbon body was, it’d still be the same giant, just more sane, same design and everything, the idea of perfect cell max wasn’t a concept Dr. Hedo was thinking about since he didn’t want to be like his grandfather, so it was just one Android who was already perfect, just unstable power and insanity due to magenta unleashing him too early
Cell max was already in his version of a perfect form his mind was just out of it due to just being awoken earlier than planned and hedo thought that having him have to absorb androids again would just be setting him back and bc it gave toriyama an excuse not to draw the spots again since he didn’t like having to do it the first time
Giving it to Blk frieza Perfected cell would still have the saiyan personality of a prime saiyan allowing frieza to exploit that sine that probably won't even happen cell max as he is now is toast .. and also.. Blk freiza claps current goku and vegeta even if gamma 1/2 and cell max currently beat them goku and vegeta felt how outrageous freiza was, decided to train on beerus planet and included broly because they felt how powerful he was and they are literally narratively saving frieza as the next big bad lmao , 10 yrs + potential whacks my fav lab rat experiment cell
well cell max perfected probably beats frieza easily because toriyama himself said in interviews that even piccolo stands up to goku so with that logic in mind perfected cell max is probably beating frieza because piccolo lost to cell max beasat gohan 1 shot cell max and we already know or alot of people do that gohan beast vs black frieza is a close fight then perfect cell stomps black frieza lol
If you are confused why i said gas. Gas wished to be the strongest in the universe since frieza wasn't in that universe but in another dimension it didn't count him but when he got out of the dimension and came to the fight he one shotted gas and then stomped with 0 difficulty and then destroyed goku and vegeta with also 0 difficulty.
@@MatthewBlack05 Well if a non full power 2nd form cell Max can get 1 shorted by beast Gohan then a non out of control cell Max would be hard to deal with and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we learnt that even beast Gohan could 1 shot both goku and Vegeta fully powered as it was said in the promotional material that this was the strongest battle in history now if we're talking manga and anime this could be stronger then Moro vs Goku and even SSB vegito vs fused zamasu which was said to be stronger then beerus if it's not at least its mui Goku or SSB gogeta level
@@supermarrioo-sam8320 Gohan definitely one shotting Goku and Vegeta. He 2 shotted Cell Max who’s stomped Orange Piccolo that’s = to Super Hero Goku who’s stronger than any version of anime and manga Goku that takes place before this arc
If Cell has Frieza DNA it implies that he could also do the kind of training Frieza did on top of his Zenkai boosting Saiyan DNA. It's so amazing to think about the potential he could reach if he actually bothered to train instead of just eating people to power up
Who was able to stand up to Gogeta blue??? Bruh we watched different movies then, cause i remember broly getting STOMPED ON by gogeta before he even went blue
He actually stood up to ssj gogeta when broly went full power ssj ( the green hair form that is not lss) he took a punch in the face from ssj gogeta and barely flinched
This is also a broly who’s been receiving god training and has the highest latent potential of anyone. Showed up post TOP able to fold gods without any real training at all. I think we underestimate how strong a trained broly might actually be given that whenever frieza or gohan (the other huge potential guys) train they catch up or surpass everyone in no time at all
@@evilejxd3385 We don't actually know what Perfect cell Max looks like, but it stands to reason he would also have the spike ball at the end of his tail in his perfected form, since the original cell never lost his sucker through all his forms.
Another theory to me is if they got some of Frieza's DNA and applied it to Cell Max like they did the Z fighters before the Android Saga. My only question is would that give him a power boost?
I’m confuse on how the idea of “perfected cell max” came to be, cell max isn’t the actual cell, he’s dead, long gone, this cell is a completely different depiction him
Bro, once super was done, those forms for characters went out of bounds, there are so many variations and timelines with different power levels. Just confusing as hell
Broly wasn’t able to stand up against a Gogeta blue once gogeta went blue Broly was just survive in at that point now he was going to toe to toe with a super Saiyan Gogeta
@@crayrayprod. Like are you guys stupid he didnt say broly was stronger or equal to him he said broly stood up to gogeta ssjb let me explain it better goku tui and vegeta ue where one shotted at the same time by frieza and done broly could eat all of gogeta his attacks without a problem only the last kamehameha would finish him but other attacks didnt do shit to broly gogeta cant one shit him either the only problem there was that broly couldnt do shit is he was out of control it was even stated that if broly could controll his power there that he would beat gogeta ssjb and we saw that broly didnt even had problems with eating all of gogeta his attacks meanwhile vegeta ue and goku tui couldnt even eat a single punch from frieza and broly didnt even know how to dodge he was only eating attacks and not even going down gogeta didnt even try to defeat him at that point he wanted him dead aswell
Did you forget how DB works? If tomorrow tao pai pai became the Next main villain he would be UI level +. So Freezer VS Cell id just a matter of which one was released the last as a main villain. Also if Freezer was fighting Cell as part of the Z-fighters you could bet that he would be a lot weaker than Cell. And that also goes for Cell.
I kind of wish they have more interesting cultural stories, I understand dragon ball is a power scaling show but it would be nice to see it fleshed out a little bit more.
Tbh I’m tired of seeing old villains personally I think the whole cell max thing is kinda dumb let him stay dead I feel the same way with the whole gold freeza and black freeza thing
Iconic!!! I wish we could see the old cast of og villains all at once and interacting with each other and powered up vs the current cast or even turned good guys for a common enemy. Buu, freiza, cell etc
Bro perfect cell max rivaling broly is such a low feat. Granola wished to be the strongest in the universe meaning he wished to be stronger than broly. UE slapped granola untill he got a power boost. Then gas came in and was pretty much wasting Goku and vegeta in their full power. He also wished to be the strongest in the universe. Now BLACK FRIEZA comes up one shots gas and then one shots Goku and vegeta simultaneously and didn't even bother to finish them off because he knew they would never surpass him. Yeah Black Frieza wins no diff.
No it wouldn’t lol. He was already kinda perfected before with the only part of him not being completed being the brainwashing. If he was perfect, he’d still have that weak spot as it was a fail safe in case he went out of control.
@@The_Opposition0 yeah it pretty much would be, they even said in the movie that the blueprints for a perfected body were to complex so they modeled it after the semiperfect form, the only thing missing was a way to control him
Correction… cell max as it is would be more than enough to one shot broly going off of power scaling alone. If we use scaling, it easily beats tui goku and ue vegeta.
He never said Broly was stronger than Cell Max, he just said that Complete Cell Max is someone that not even Broly would be able to beat. That’s including his ability to exponentially increase his power in seconds/minutes It just means it’s *possible* for Broly to defeat incomplete Cell Max
There should be an arc where the demons of hell find cells soul and transfers it to the residue of Cell max, and somehow they manage to Resurrect Cell as perfect cell max and then boom, whole arc.
@Striker Nate yeah, what im saying is that we've seen multiple characters stronger than broly from the broly movie(with frieza being the strongest one as far as we know) so using him as a feat isnt that impressive anymore
@@spoof2062 that sounds really stupid. Like no offense that’s just really stupid. First off it’s still a feat to Broly for surviving that. Second a feat isn’t used for the entire verse it’s used for that specific character. Third Frieza isn’t even stronger than Broly in the movie (from what is shown to us in there). Until Black Frieza makes his appearance in the anime, he doesn’t exist in that continuity.
@Striker Nate okay now what are you talking about? Its a feat for broly to survive what? Gogeta? Thats cool and all but the next arc goku calls moro 73 the toughest guy he ever faced after he completely embarrassed him in pui anf hes only gotten stronger since then and was still one shotted by black frieza. Also you know superhero is canon to the manga continuity too right? Like they just released the first chapter of the prequel arc yesterday...
@@strikernate321 also i never said frieza was stronger than broly in the broly movie? I said he's the strongest character we've seen since the broly movie...
Awful comparison of strength, broly did not stand up to gogeta blue it was stated by the writers that he was exponentially stronger than broly and didn’t finish the fight sooner bc his intentions weren’t to kill broly but test his limitations, it was just the rhetoric that was used to give a good show to the people watching the movie bc if gogeta blue one shotted him, people would say the movie is lame and was a lot of build up for the smallest climax thus why they dragged the fight for viewer enjoyment purposes.
In reality nope. The writters never stated that. On the novel that is full Script Toriyama Gogeta Blue needed to hurry up to not being defeated of how near was from his power level
Honestly the way freiza's aim is when he does his death beam barrage I wouldn't be surprised if 1 of those beams pierces cell max in the head unintentionally lmao.
His form wouldn’t change if you guys paid attention during the super hero movie his body was already 100% perfected it was just his mind that wasn’t ready 😳
How the hell will it be a difficult answer Frieza needn't even know about the weak point At his current power level, he will completely vapourise cell with a simple ki blast
“He oneshotted goku and vegeta” piccolo also oneshotted non fatigued androids that were stated to be on gokus level and this same guy was fodderized by cell max
You really think the androids were as strong as TUI goku at the end of the Granolah arc? It alway's seemed like they meant they were equal to a blue evolved/ Kaioken blue at most. It just seems kinda retarded that they'd be able to make androids in a lab that are stronger than the likes of limit-breaking Jiren (thus stronger than some gods of destruction) in a few years. Besides, the last time Piccolo even saw Goku and Vegeta was before Vegeta even achieved ultra-ego so it's not like he'd even know when he made that statement.
@@verscarii3238 this is statements from data books and other canon material that specifically just said goku and vegeta in general no capped forms no nothing which means androids are goku level your not the author lol I'm just going off of canon statements and keep in mind these statements were made After the frieza black form
Fun fact that was perfected cell. That was Toryiamas initial design for cell so when making the SuperHero movie he finally had the chance to bring his design of cell to life. In the movie how they explain that they have to release him before his power is full. They’re only talking about power level & not form. Even if they released him at full power , his form was still going to be that
Superhero takes place after the Granolah Arc. The next manga arc literally being called “Superhero prelude.” So the movie is canon. Toriyama said Beast Gohan was the strongest z fighter after his new form was achieved. So that places him above UI and UE. Just like Black Frieza. Beast Gohan one shotted imperfect cell max. And it isn’t clear how he matches to Black Frieza. If we knew how Black Frieza would do against Beast Gohan, we’d have our answer about cell. He’s the measuring stick, at the moment.
I feel that Perfect Cell Max would have regeneration powers because he would’ve been perfect at that point which I imagine being in a perfect for whilst also being max gives you a boost and some different abilities.
@@superkamiguru4389 he was in a bio tube.....dude was LITERALLY described as having cells ,why would the bomb have to deatroy every single cell if he didint have regen?
Imagine deciding to improve on Cell to 'maximize' his potential, and simultaneously deciding that regeneration doesn't need to be part of that final design. I guess it was cause Hedo wanted his failsafe weak spot and Cell regenerating would interfere with that weakness. Smh, I guess he was just too weak to be a real mad doctor like Dr. Gero and die to his creations after making his full dream a reality.
I’d like to see the original Cell train and gain knowledge of current Super. Gain the power of everyone in super then absorb this giant cell brain dead cell powers and abilities into him.
As much as I enjoy Cell MAX, Black Frieza was training for 10 years and just walks up to Goku and Vegeta and could have killed these boys then, but said “Nah I am just that f@cking confident.” Black Frieza takes this, even if Cell MAX was perfect.
Frieza is like unlimited power. Literally as a kid destroying planets. Obviously deathbeam is like launching a ki blast, nothing to him. Plus up until super claims he never trained, then did so for 3 months then got to gold frieza. The rate he can grow is unparalleled. Goku and Vegeta cannot compare. Frieza flat out says I will have Zeno bow to me. He wants to outrank them and will try to do so. If he Literally attempts to assassinate them, most likely would be successful. Obviously will go through destroyer gods, in every universe, champa, beerus, then all the angels if he could then go for grand minister. The thing is he could cheap shot snipe them and kill them, but then possibly the guards could kill frieza, maybe not but grand minister would be greatest threat. So if he and guards attack frieza then they could possibly kill him. Plus he would have to get a death beam up close or whatever he does he'd have to kill both at once, otherwise the other could kill frieza. So frieza in raw strength could surpass all destroyers, angels, physically kill Zeno, however the other magical deity abilities frieza couldn't contend with. Who knows what magical mystical unfathomable abilities besides instantly destroying or creating multiple universes. If a Zeno is assassinated then other/grand minister kills frieza. Could remaining Zeno bring back their counterpart? Why not? Or does that happen and there is only one now? Frieza's endgame is to take them out and not fear them or anyone stronger. Idk if he'd be offered to be made a destroyer and if so I feel he'd refuse thinking it's beneath him. Cell is just some robot programed to absorb biological and other robots to gain additional abilities, knowledge, strength. He is literally copy and paste. Nothing interesting. Just clone your moves and give them back to you stronger. Kamehameha × infinity looks cool, but boring. Frieza has his own movesets destrcto disc, death ball, etc. Just destruction. So much so he himself is not safe from his own moves, he is literally always playing with fire and running with scissors and he has learned the hard way to be safe and trains now to perfect his techniques. He is so racist towards sayins but has similar motivations. He is a warrior that only wants to get stronger. Cell is a xerox, a copy, non original boring. Majin Buu does it so much better, organically absorbs anyone and everyone with ease, but also their personality traits. Acting like gotenks flipping people off. Cell needs his dumb tail to absorb. Majin just throws any part of his body and eats them from anywhere. Cell makes more copies of himself cool whatever. You know who did it better? Metal Cooler, frieza's brother. Go figure. Especially with the regeneration factor Cell is literally weaker. Than Metal Cooler, and Majin Buu.
We never saw “Perfected Cell Max” which implies he could’ve evolved with no more weaknesses and most definitely would probably acquire his regenerative abilities by this point because that would imply he absorbed probably Piccolo Orange since he can Regenerate.
So many people are confused on me saying that Broly "Stood up to Gogeta Blue." The definition of standing up to someone is to "defend yourself against a powerful person". By that definition, Broly stood up to Gogeta Blue. He didn't WIN, but he stood up to him. LOL
Broly was getting his shit ran by Gogeta blue 💀
@@InkBlotts I’m guessing you are trolling.
@@InkBlotts I don't recall vegito and broly ever meeting
He didn't stand up to gogeta blue wym, not only did gogeta not use his full power, but broly didn't hit him a single time when he went blue, the most he did was get bullied and take hits without dying
@@BrylanTheBard god damnit, hate auto correct one sec and i'll edit
Still can't imagine bro trained 10 years just to get an N word pass.
🤣🤣🤣
Worth it! 🤣
Thought it was a year?
@@st4ne4rmthevill63 Black Frieza trained for 10 years inside of another version of the the Hyperbolic Time Chamber/Room of Spirit and time. There are more then one so we don't know how long he was actually in it in standard time but time moves different in there. The version of it on earth 1 day in the room is equivlant to a year passing by. In the morro arc goku and Meerus trained on meerus's ship which had a similar abilty where a few hours or days in this one room was the equivlant of a few months of training but that may have been meerus using his divine powers.
Friendly fire is not tolerated
Whoever does the writing for this series must have the easiest job ever. Every character just gets a colour change, and is now considered stronger.
yea now everybody got the power to stand up to goku and vegetas god levels lol this shit damn near the imagination of a little kid
I must admit it's getting a little ridiculous, I miss the Zamasu arc
Exactly absolutely no creative transformations anymore… this is why Dbz will always be better than super
'how did they get stronger?'
'they trained'
'and what does that training entail?'
'i dunno, they just trained, like, a lot'
'doing what exactly?'
'i just said, training'
Toiryama writes the series
The power scaling in dragon ball is just fuckin everywhere at this point
I got tired of power scales during Battle of Gods and subsequent DB: Super, and now this bullshit ass Cell Max can contend with The Legendary Super Saiyan, tis the reason I just haven't had the hype to watch DB Super Hero
I just lost track on who tf is the most powerful rn. Next they’ll be telling me goku is more powerful than the creator of existence or some bullshit
Dragonball is dead
@@yoshi9538 yup, Broly is the biggest bullsh*t in dragon ball and now this. DB starting to look like One Punch Man satire
@@Player-gx1eo wtf are you talking about if youve actually watched the anime you'd know that they stated who was the strongest
Man's saying cell max is an improvement in the same sentence of mentioning cell max *can't regenerate* and has a damn *crit spot* on his head lmao
I was about to say, Cell was the perfect android no pun intended but the og cell was far more superior,
Cell max doesnt have in the imperfrct form, the perfect form could have these abilities we just dont know
As you say a weakling
@@ReiChiquita567he was perfect it's stated in the movie his mind was complete yet
right? I think the original cell would've gotten stronger within a year of training judging by Frieza's potential
Ngl I wish there was some residue left of Cell Max, so another arc of Perfect Cell Max could be a thing to really see his potential. DB still has a lot of potential to build upon the series
I agree. They say Cell Max is a completely different entity from the original Cell, but if it were possible for Max to become complete, it would’ve been so cool to see.
Dr hedo and bulma could work together to make a superhero perfect cell max, who knows🤷♂️
It’s actually amazing how after almost 30 years dragon ball still has so many potential ways they can build upon an already legendary story
@@ELIGOHUMBLEyeah that's definitely bullshit.
@@ELIGOHUMBLE what are you blabbering on about?
Right now, Black Frieza seems unstoppable. There's a reason why the next arc isn't about him.
Agreed. Bro is back to his power difference when he was introduced😂
@@bagofish8511 correct yo he is the emperor of the universe again
He appeared unstoppable the first time also, in fact arguably, he was far superior than all the main characters the first time; hundred of millions x as powerful; and the odds still got tipped in Goku's favor when he discovered super saiyan. I don't think Frieza is at that level anymore; although I want him to stick around because he's my favorite enemry character followed by goku black. Cell I think would be a problem; but there's no way Cell (in his right mind) would take the side of Goku against his potential ally (at the end of dbz, and also gt).
But remember Cell Max is few years away from Black Frieza so Cell Max is probably stronger than Black Frieza. Dragon Ball logic.
And black frieza probably trains consistently seeing as he went through 10 yrs in a time chamber.
I mean, Toriyama said a Perfect Cell Max would give Broly trouble.
*What people fail to realize is that Broly is one of the few reasons WHY Frieza bothered training for a new form to begin with.*
Let's be real here. Cell is Broly but better, or at least he SHOULD be. Cell has sayain DNA, meaning he gets zenkais when he heals from a beating.
Cell has piccolo's DNA, meaning he should be able to heal as he fights gaining Zenkai's at the cost of energy. We dont know Cells exact specs, but If his healing was upgraded along with getting infinite energy like 17/18, then Cell could do what Broly does but better. Sure, imperfect Cell max doesn't have Regen, but perfect Cell max my be a different story.
So Cell could fight freiza, be beaten, spawn Cell juniors, and use them to tank frieza's hits as he heals and fights. Eventually Cell gets the upper hand and freiza gets too winded to continue.
what you fail to realize is...broly loses to ssjb goku and vegeta
@@flowsenpai9961 They literally had to fuse in order to be on par with him. Did you not watch the movie?
@@senatorarmstrong7071 current ssjb goku and vegeta surpassed ssjb gogeta from the broly arc...have you not been reading the manga?
@Flow Senpai So the current duo that got bodied by Granolah, folded by Gas, and one-shot by Frieza?
Gooood, they're stronger than Broly, *yeah so is everyone else.*
Perfect Cell Max is the cell we deserved
Except with no regeneration and a weak spot lol.
Fr perfect cell would probably be smart and can use all of his previous abilities
He was no fun at all. Just a brute. Spopovich had more character
@@user-zs6df9sb4iright they ruined him making him a mindless beast that grew huge.. also I think it would been way more entertaining having Gohan transform and then having an awesome battle with him.. not just completely outclassing
This is something I’ve been thinking about a lot. I haven’t watched any videos on it, so these are my thoughts right out the gate. Let me know what you guys think! 🤔💭
They mean TRAINED Broly. Gohan went form buu saga to pre TOP SSB in a few hours of training. Broly is getting training from the martial artist Goku, who has dipped in the techniques of the gods. Meaning that, as Broly was stated to be the strongest man NUMEROUS times, it at the very least makes him decently above Goku, and, at the most, puts him above black Frieza. Also, Cell max saw Gogeta fuse, meaning that he can create cell Juniors as strong as himself, fuse with them, and use godly techniques like TUI and UE, since he saw those, aswell. So, multiple far above TUI Goku Cells fusing and using god forms with multipliers far above forms that have lowballed multipliers of 100K could easily oneshot black frieza. Hax and technique-based forms have gotten strong enough by super to the point that people like Cell need mental nerfs, and MASSIVE ones at that.
Max Marenghi bro I think with this power cell might have the strength to take whis’ lunch money
Broly could not handle Gogeta blue what is you on about man got bodied when they fused
@@sallypretzels2494 That’s a lowball. He can fuse with clones, pop out already fused clones, fuse with them, etc., etc. he could increase his power at an exponential rate. In a few minutes of doing that he could, most likely, enhance his power billions of times excluding the god form techniques he built up. This is only if he did that for a few mins prep, btw. Also, they could’ve seen hit’s timeskip, which cell max could enhance to minutes to use to fuse before battles.
You do realize that a Perfected Cell Max is just normal Cell Max but with a brain, right? He wouldn't transform into a Red Perfect Cell, he would look exactly the same, just be able to think.
I actually really disliked cell max he was just a brainless villain, it would have been good to see the old cell return, intellect and wit intact.
In series yes but in movie, I think not
Cell max’s brain was not fully finished thanks to piccolo invading the Red Ribbon Army base where cell max was being worked on
You couldn't write a winning z fighter story if cell max would have been perfected though.
100% agree
@Tr1cst4r But you could. Look at og perfect cell he outclassed everyone when he was first shown and yet they still won.
God damn I want Cell back. That concept for Perfect Cell Max is so cool.
Perfected cell max, would have regeneration and wouldn't have a weak spot... it's perfect duhh🚫🧢💯
After watching superhero I had my own theory that after Dr hedo joined capsulecorp, he and bulma got to work on making a superhero perfect cell max™️(brought to you by capsulecorp) to join the good guys in the new super anime. And maybe it’ll secretly get too intelligent and become an antagonist again in the future.
I'd love to see cell as a good guy fighting along side goku and vegeta vs black freiza and they even train cell max aswell with broly and goku and vegeta.
Ngl seems like a really cool idea especially to see this cell be an ally first before turningnantagonist
@@jasonverdusco4838maybe they dumb down his intelligence until they figure out he's an ally, then upgrade his system? Bit when he upgrades, he secretly becomes a heel when he one shots goku or vegeta and takes sides with frieza. Then they need Brody and gohan/piccolo to possibly win.
This would be good, and it is needed against frieza
Didn’t hedo get jailed in the manga?
How people think Frieza became very strong: *Train for 10 years*
How he actually did it: *1 push up*
😭😭😭
Wonderful plot twist 😂
Plus a sit up and plenty of juice
Everybody's gangsta until super perfect cell max pulls up
The perfect cell max idea is such a good theory it should become true
I completely agree. Its such an amazing look too.
What I think makes this a good theory is how could he achieve perfection AND how strong he’d be even without training. Can you imagine just absorbing 1 or 2 guys and now you can face guys like the gods of destruction
We have enough "popular z design but with a new color" characters
It was already perfected, although the carbon body was, it’d still be the same giant, just more sane, same design and everything, the idea of perfect cell max wasn’t a concept Dr. Hedo was thinking about since he didn’t want to be like his grandfather, so it was just one Android who was already perfect, just unstable power and insanity due to magenta unleashing him too early
Cell max was already in his version of a perfect form his mind was just out of it due to just being awoken earlier than planned and hedo thought that having him have to absorb androids again would just be setting him back and bc it gave toriyama an excuse not to draw the spots again since he didn’t like having to do it the first time
Giving it to Blk frieza
Perfected cell would still have the saiyan personality of a prime saiyan allowing frieza to exploit that sine that probably won't even happen cell max as he is now is toast .. and also..
Blk freiza claps current goku and vegeta even if gamma 1/2 and cell max currently beat them goku and vegeta felt how outrageous freiza was, decided to train on beerus planet and included broly because they felt how powerful he was and they are literally narratively saving frieza as the next big bad lmao , 10 yrs + potential whacks my fav lab rat experiment cell
well cell max perfected probably beats frieza easily because toriyama himself said in interviews that even piccolo stands up to goku so with that logic in mind perfected cell max is probably beating frieza because piccolo lost to cell max beasat gohan 1 shot cell max and we already know or alot of people do that gohan beast vs black frieza is a close fight then perfect cell stomps black frieza lol
@@supermarrioo-sam8320 Black frieza didn't even have to try to beat goku and vegeta and gas so it's kinda hard to decide.
If you are confused why i said gas. Gas wished to be the strongest in the universe since frieza wasn't in that universe but in another dimension it didn't count him but when he got out of the dimension and came to the fight he one shotted gas and then stomped with 0 difficulty and then destroyed goku and vegeta with also 0 difficulty.
@@MatthewBlack05 Well if a non full power 2nd form cell Max can get 1 shorted by beast Gohan then a non out of control cell Max would be hard to deal with and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we learnt that even beast Gohan could 1 shot both goku and Vegeta fully powered as it was said in the promotional material that this was the strongest battle in history now if we're talking manga and anime this could be stronger then Moro vs Goku and even SSB vegito vs fused zamasu which was said to be stronger then beerus if it's not at least its mui Goku or SSB gogeta level
@@supermarrioo-sam8320 Gohan definitely one shotting Goku and Vegeta. He 2 shotted Cell Max who’s stomped Orange Piccolo that’s = to Super Hero Goku who’s stronger than any version of anime and manga Goku that takes place before this arc
Him:the winner might be hard to call
Also him: bro just one easy deathbeam to the head is enough
If Cell has Frieza DNA it implies that he could also do the kind of training Frieza did on top of his Zenkai boosting Saiyan DNA. It's so amazing to think about the potential he could reach if he actually bothered to train instead of just eating people to power up
Who was able to stand up to Gogeta blue???
Bruh we watched different movies then, cause i remember broly getting STOMPED ON by gogeta before he even went blue
He actually stood up to ssj gogeta when broly went full power ssj ( the green hair form that is not lss) he took a punch in the face from ssj gogeta and barely flinched
I guess I’m the only one who hates the idea of Cell Max…. How can Cell ever be better than PERFECTION
This is also a broly who’s been receiving god training and has the highest latent potential of anyone. Showed up post TOP able to fold gods without any real training at all. I think we underestimate how strong a trained broly might actually be given that whenever frieza or gohan (the other huge potential guys) train they catch up or surpass everyone in no time at all
I feel like people tend to forget that Cell Max has this giant ball at the end of his tail. wouldn’t be able to make any Cell Jrs.
He clearly said a perfected cell max not the second form cell max. Perfect cell doesn’t have a tail.
@@evilejxd3385 then how did Perfect Cell make the Cell Juniors?
@@evilejxd3385 We don't actually know what Perfect cell Max looks like, but it stands to reason he would also have the spike ball at the end of his tail in his perfected form, since the original cell never lost his sucker through all his forms.
@@evilejxd3385He does he just shrinks and extends it from behind his "wings"? When needed.
Another theory to me is if they got some of Frieza's DNA and applied it to Cell Max like they did the Z fighters before the Android Saga. My only question is would that give him a power boost?
I’m confuse on how the idea of “perfected cell max” came to be, cell max isn’t the actual cell, he’s dead, long gone, this cell is a completely different depiction him
Remember the Dragonballs?
No one is ever really dead.
Cell is just in hell right now.
Bro, once super was done, those forms for characters went out of bounds, there are so many variations and timelines with different power levels. Just confusing as hell
bro why tf cell gone mc donalds mode
Broly wasn’t able to stand up against a Gogeta blue once gogeta went blue Broly was just survive in at that point now he was going to toe to toe with a super Saiyan Gogeta
And he needed to be teleported by the dragon balls too😂 idk what this guy saying. Broly got stomped by gogeta
@@crayrayprod. Like are you guys stupid he didnt say broly was stronger or equal to him he said broly stood up to gogeta ssjb let me explain it better goku tui and vegeta ue where one shotted at the same time by frieza and done broly could eat all of gogeta his attacks without a problem only the last kamehameha would finish him but other attacks didnt do shit to broly gogeta cant one shit him either the only problem there was that broly couldnt do shit is he was out of control it was even stated that if broly could controll his power there that he would beat gogeta ssjb and we saw that broly didnt even had problems with eating all of gogeta his attacks meanwhile vegeta ue and goku tui couldnt even eat a single punch from frieza and broly didnt even know how to dodge he was only eating attacks and not even going down gogeta didnt even try to defeat him at that point he wanted him dead aswell
You guys really thought that was full power Broly? You guys are clowns..
I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT 👀
Did you forget how DB works? If tomorrow tao pai pai became the Next main villain he would be UI level +. So Freezer VS Cell id just a matter of which one was released the last as a main villain.
Also if Freezer was fighting Cell as part of the Z-fighters you could bet that he would be a lot weaker than Cell. And that also goes for Cell.
I kind of wish they have more interesting cultural stories, I understand dragon ball is a power scaling show but it would be nice to see it fleshed out a little bit more.
Remember that perfect cell max can transform into super Saiyan
broly did NOT stand up to gogeta blue he whooped his ass after he went blue bro was defending himself to the best of his ability 💀
He still needed blue for broly He skipped every other form after super saiyan and went to maximum power 😂 Broly built like that
He was defending himself? Wouldn’t that be called standing up to him?
@@strikernate321 Nah, Broly didn't land a single hit after Gogeta went blue, it wasn't even close.
@@MrJonezy541 yeah defending himself. When did you need to hit someone to be defending yourself from attacks?
@@strikernate321 He couldn't even defend himself, I don't think Broly successfully stopped any of Gogetas attacks lol.
You know for a so called "Perfrct being" he sure does power up alot
Why is it that both of gohans main villains helped him unlock the 2nd stage of his mystic and ssj and they both cell?
Still say Black Frieza 😂 but I like your theory
Correct! Cell never stand a chance
Tbh I’m tired of seeing old villains personally I think the whole cell max thing is kinda dumb let him stay dead I feel the same way with the whole gold freeza and black freeza thing
That's why I loved fan manga like the five strongest.
Iconic!!! I wish we could see the old cast of og villains all at once and interacting with each other and powered up vs the current cast or even turned good guys for a common enemy. Buu, freiza, cell etc
“the winner might be hard to call”
**proceeds to explain how Frieza could one shot him**
Bro perfect cell max rivaling broly is such a low feat. Granola wished to be the strongest in the universe meaning he wished to be stronger than broly. UE slapped granola untill he got a power boost. Then gas came in and was pretty much wasting Goku and vegeta in their full power. He also wished to be the strongest in the universe. Now BLACK FRIEZA comes up one shots gas and then one shots Goku and vegeta simultaneously and didn't even bother to finish them off because he knew they would never surpass him.
Yeah Black Frieza wins no diff.
EXACTLY
Cell Max’s head weakness would be gone if he was perfected
No it wouldn’t lol. He was already kinda perfected before with the only part of him not being completed being the brainwashing. If he was perfect, he’d still have that weak spot as it was a fail safe in case he went out of control.
No he was only missing his mind his body would be that exact same
@@AllMight6 no it wouldn’t
@@The_Opposition0 yeah it pretty much would be, they even said in the movie that the blueprints for a perfected body were to complex so they modeled it after the semiperfect form, the only thing missing was a way to control him
@@hvizdosk I went and rewatched the movie and yeah your right, I forgot they put the weakness just in case the couldn’t control him
Correction… cell max as it is would be more than enough to one shot broly going off of power scaling alone. If we use scaling, it easily beats tui goku and ue vegeta.
Whenever toriyama said that Broly was stronger than cell max imperfect, he was referring to the broly who had training that same movie
He never said Broly was stronger than Cell Max, he just said that Complete Cell Max is someone that not even Broly would be able to beat. That’s including his ability to exponentially increase his power in seconds/minutes
It just means it’s *possible* for Broly to defeat incomplete Cell Max
One special beam cannon would probably one shot frieza cause bro the multipliers on that move is terrifying
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@@Marc-bi6tt da fuq you rolling your eyes for. You know he's right....
@@Mechanix04 lmao that's a load of cap if you think a special beam cannon would one shot black frieza
As if he can't dodge it Lmao.
@@Marc-bi6tt yes a orange piccolo one def can
Yes I Would Win.
Cell Catch This DEATH BEAM.
They would need help from unseen fighters who didn't participate the Tournament of Power
There should be an arc where the demons of hell find cells soul and transfers it to the residue of Cell max, and somehow they manage to Resurrect Cell as perfect cell max and then boom, whole arc.
If we're going off of the broly movie then beating broly isn't all that impressive anymore seeing as how he was surpassed the very next arc😅
What do you mean? That’s literally every villain in Dragon Ball.
@Striker Nate yeah, what im saying is that we've seen multiple characters stronger than broly from the broly movie(with frieza being the strongest one as far as we know) so using him as a feat isnt that impressive anymore
@@spoof2062 that sounds really stupid. Like no offense that’s just really stupid. First off it’s still a feat to Broly for surviving that. Second a feat isn’t used for the entire verse it’s used for that specific character. Third Frieza isn’t even stronger than Broly in the movie (from what is shown to us in there). Until Black Frieza makes his appearance in the anime, he doesn’t exist in that continuity.
@Striker Nate okay now what are you talking about? Its a feat for broly to survive what? Gogeta? Thats cool and all but the next arc goku calls moro 73 the toughest guy he ever faced after he completely embarrassed him in pui anf hes only gotten stronger since then and was still one shotted by black frieza. Also you know superhero is canon to the manga continuity too right? Like they just released the first chapter of the prequel arc yesterday...
@@strikernate321 also i never said frieza was stronger than broly in the broly movie? I said he's the strongest character we've seen since the broly movie...
Awful comparison of strength, broly did not stand up to gogeta blue it was stated by the writers that he was exponentially stronger than broly and didn’t finish the fight sooner bc his intentions weren’t to kill broly but test his limitations, it was just the rhetoric that was used to give a good show to the people watching the movie bc if gogeta blue one shotted him, people would say the movie is lame and was a lot of build up for the smallest climax thus why they dragged the fight for viewer enjoyment purposes.
In reality nope. The writters never stated that. On the novel that is full Script Toriyama Gogeta Blue needed to hurry up to not being defeated of how near was from his power level
wouldn’t anyone be done if u launched a death beam at they head😂
Another day of "ik nothing about the continuities of manga and anime"
Mr. Perfect Cell Max!
DBZA
That’s true but how would frieza find out about the weakness
Thats a good question
Honestly the way freiza's aim is when he does his death beam barrage I wouldn't be surprised if 1 of those beams pierces cell max in the head unintentionally lmao.
He’d probably figure it when when hitting him on the head ☠️
His form wouldn’t change if you guys paid attention during the super hero movie his body was already 100% perfected it was just his mind that wasn’t ready 😳
These sound like fan fiction transformations.
How the hell will it be a difficult answer
Frieza needn't even know about the weak point
At his current power level, he will completely vapourise cell with a simple ki blast
“He oneshotted goku and vegeta” piccolo also oneshotted non fatigued androids that were stated to be on gokus level and this same guy was fodderized by cell max
You really think the androids were as strong as TUI goku at the end of the Granolah arc? It alway's seemed like they meant they were equal to a blue evolved/ Kaioken blue at most. It just seems kinda retarded that they'd be able to make androids in a lab that are stronger than the likes of limit-breaking Jiren (thus stronger than some gods of destruction) in a few years. Besides, the last time Piccolo even saw Goku and Vegeta was before Vegeta even achieved ultra-ego so it's not like he'd even know when he made that statement.
@@verscarii3238 Didn't Gero with a small lab created Androids stronger than Frieza with only data of Saiyan Saga Goku?
@@verscarii3238 this is statements from data books and other canon material that specifically just said goku and vegeta in general no capped forms no nothing which means androids are goku level
your not the author lol I'm just going off of canon statements and keep in mind these statements were made After the frieza black form
Doesn't matter how much steroids and new alternate endings the animators keep giving them. Frieza and Cell both died a long time ago.
Fun fact that was perfected cell. That was Toryiamas initial design for cell so when making the SuperHero movie he finally had the chance to bring his design of cell to life. In the movie how they explain that they have to release him before his power is full. They’re only talking about power level & not form. Even if they released him at full power , his form was still going to be that
Perfect Cell max clears!
I think so too! Black Frieza is crazy but Cell Max might just be a little better to me
@@justinsden how? Blue Gogeta toyed with Broly. And Black Frieza literally one shotted both MUI Goku and UE Vegeta. Black frieza definitely stomps
Delusional
@@Xcey616*Tui
@@Xcey616 how stupid are you
The waffle house has found it’s new host
Dbz was the last to make any logical sense of power levels
Broly didn't stand up to Bluegeta, he couldn't defend himself: the minute he went blue, Broly couldn't lay a hand on him
Damn I definitely got to watch super I didn't know sell had a new form
Fun fact cell has the most potential in all of dragon ball
Where was that stated?
How?
Lie bro
Superhero takes place after the Granolah Arc. The next manga arc literally being called “Superhero prelude.” So the movie is canon.
Toriyama said Beast Gohan was the strongest z fighter after his new form was achieved. So that places him above UI and UE. Just like Black Frieza. Beast Gohan one shotted imperfect cell max. And it isn’t clear how he matches to Black Frieza.
If we knew how Black Frieza would do against Beast Gohan, we’d have our answer about cell. He’s the measuring stick, at the moment.
Broly got put a a fucking t-shirt by Gogeta. Wtf you mean he stood up to him lol.
Ngl Freiza and Gohan have completely shattered what was left of rational power scaling
To be fair, the head is USUALLY a weak spot.
this is why when beerus first heard of frieza’s death by the hands of goku he was beyond surprised
Jit looks like a water Malone 😂
Just give old villains stupidly OP forms. Literally running on nostalgia now.
I feel that Perfect Cell Max would have regeneration powers because he would’ve been perfect at that point which I imagine being in a perfect for whilst also being max gives you a boost and some different abilities.
Cell would murder him
Remember he also has Frieza's cells in his body
He kinda does doesn't he? He even mention's it in Z thank's to Freeza and his father as he was flying in space
Love your content bro
imagine once cell max blew up in the smoke you could hear his music cut on and his perfect cell laugh. that would be fire 🔥
I hope they do an arc where the bad guy wins for a bit. Would be a sick change up
I mean there were the androids and future saga
Akira toriyama was on some pro black shit this whole time just look at the color schemes
I love how in DBZ everyone is just arguing about how powerful the characters are.
At this rate the series will never end
You guys thought cell max was cool just wait until he transforms into Duracell
Lol
Cell Max certainly did have regen,thats the entire reason he was designed with a bomb that destroys all his cells at once,to prevent the regeneration
He clearly doesn't if he didn't get his arm back. He is mechanical
@@superkamiguru4389 he was in a bio tube.....dude was LITERALLY described as having cells ,why would the bomb have to deatroy every single cell if he didint have regen?
If perfected cell max is *just* stronger than broly, he's getting clapped by black frieza
Imagine deciding to improve on Cell to 'maximize' his potential, and simultaneously deciding that regeneration doesn't need to be part of that final design. I guess it was cause Hedo wanted his failsafe weak spot and Cell regenerating would interfere with that weakness. Smh, I guess he was just too weak to be a real mad doctor like Dr. Gero and die to his creations after making his full dream a reality.
not being able to regenerate is a major flaw in cell max.
informative, Mission Impossible background, nice
Man they basically took all the frost demon traits out of Frieza
Ayo Christmas cell
Hah, He'll go down just as fast as those two monkeys when facing me, Emperor Frieza.
If either one of them did a few jumping jacks before the fight, it's wraps for the opponent
Yo be fair bro my got DESTROYED by gogeta blue, with no context, but I can definitely appreciate the effort put into the videos you make
I’d like to see the original Cell train and gain knowledge of current Super. Gain the power of everyone in super then absorb this giant cell brain dead cell powers and abilities into him.
I doubt a smart cell Max will stand still and let Frieza headshot him
As much as I enjoy Cell MAX, Black Frieza was training for 10 years and just walks up to Goku and Vegeta and could have killed these boys then, but said “Nah I am just that f@cking confident.” Black Frieza takes this, even if Cell MAX was perfect.
Frieza is like unlimited power. Literally as a kid destroying planets. Obviously deathbeam is like launching a ki blast, nothing to him. Plus up until super claims he never trained, then did so for 3 months then got to gold frieza. The rate he can grow is unparalleled. Goku and Vegeta cannot compare. Frieza flat out says I will have Zeno bow to me. He wants to outrank them and will try to do so. If he Literally attempts to assassinate them, most likely would be successful.
Obviously will go through destroyer gods, in every universe, champa, beerus, then all the angels if he could then go for grand minister.
The thing is he could cheap shot snipe them and kill them, but then possibly the guards could kill frieza, maybe not but grand minister would be greatest threat. So if he and guards attack frieza then they could possibly kill him.
Plus he would have to get a death beam up close or whatever he does he'd have to kill both at once, otherwise the other could kill frieza.
So frieza in raw strength could surpass all destroyers, angels, physically kill Zeno, however the other magical deity abilities frieza couldn't contend with.
Who knows what magical mystical unfathomable abilities besides instantly destroying or creating multiple universes. If a Zeno is assassinated then other/grand minister kills frieza.
Could remaining Zeno bring back their counterpart?
Why not? Or does that happen and there is only one now?
Frieza's endgame is to take them out and not fear them or anyone stronger.
Idk if he'd be offered to be made a destroyer and if so I feel he'd refuse thinking it's beneath him.
Cell is just some robot programed to absorb biological and other robots to gain additional abilities, knowledge, strength. He is literally copy and paste. Nothing interesting. Just clone your moves and give them back to you stronger. Kamehameha × infinity looks cool, but boring.
Frieza has his own movesets destrcto disc, death ball, etc. Just destruction. So much so he himself is not safe from his own moves, he is literally always playing with fire and running with scissors and he has learned the hard way to be safe and trains now to perfect his techniques. He is so racist towards sayins but has similar motivations. He is a warrior that only wants to get stronger.
Cell is a xerox, a copy, non original boring.
Majin Buu does it so much better, organically absorbs anyone and everyone with ease, but also their personality traits. Acting like gotenks flipping people off.
Cell needs his dumb tail to absorb. Majin just throws any part of his body and eats them from anywhere.
Cell makes more copies of himself cool whatever. You know who did it better? Metal Cooler, frieza's brother. Go figure.
Especially with the regeneration factor Cell is literally weaker. Than Metal Cooler, and Majin Buu.
We never saw “Perfected Cell Max” which implies he could’ve evolved with no more weaknesses and most definitely would probably acquire his regenerative abilities by this point because that would imply he absorbed probably Piccolo Orange since he can Regenerate.
Dragonball has just become a meme of itself at this point.
Oh god imagine a still giant perfect cell max that spits up whole swarms of people sized just as strong cell jrs
people dont realize cell max and beast gohan arnt as strong as they think
Like how?