Death of the 18 day domestic electrical course
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Is this the end of the domestic installer course?
In this video I talk through the recent changes to the EAS specification, which has been thrust into the limelight by a recent NICEIC post in Professional Electrician titled
"No more shortcuts" as NICEIC updates entry criteria in line with EAS specification.
professional-electrician.com/...
So what does this mean for the domestic installers already in the system, and those looking to start one?
Ultimately, not a lot for those already in the system. But if not, you need to have 2 years experience and be registered before September 2021 otherwise your best option is to choose a more traditional route.
To enable you to chose the correct route into the industry, I've created a series of videos from real life experiences of people who have already chosen.
One thing for sure, is it's not as easy as the training providers would have you believe!
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I'd be surprised if these people who organise the domestic installer courses don't find away around these measures, a lot of money at stake after all.
The JIB have their requirements for a Gold Card but in truth we don't actually need to be a JIB electrician to work in the industry
Exactly why I steered clear of a lot of solar PV courses and did one that is ofqual registered. Not only were the alternatives not ofqual registered but they only lasted 5 years.
Domestic installer courses are still alive and well. Long live the domestic installer!
😂
I did C&G 2397 back in 2015 took 3 years huge NVQ content.
rang napit today to register, did my apprenticeship 15 years ago, got told my 2330 was getting downgraded bugger, thankfully it seems i have a cert for 2356 too which will help, this vid definatly helps to my mind at rest though i would have to resit everything again
Worst case scenario you would go down the experienced worker route.
www.the-esp.org.uk/our-work/ewa/
No previous qualifications necessary
5 years experience
2391
18th edition
Workplace logbook
AM2
Gold card
@@Pure_electrical_training hoping to avoid that, getting in before sep 1st cost me a bit of dosh but hopefully worth it
I have just completed a Domestic Installer short course. At this moment, how to continue the route to be an Electrician? Start to study 2365 level 2, 3 and then NVQ 3, AM2 (around 2~3 years)? Or apply for an apprentice (~4 years)?
Have you seen my videos on people’s experiences?
Each route has it’s pros and cons
At least with an apprenticeship you have a job and your training is paid for
Hi Adrian,
I just completed 2365 Level2 and heading to start 2365 level3 does it mean I have to give up?
Do you have any suggestions?
Helps needed.
Thanks again for your videos
Not at all, you are on track to complete one of the recognised routes into the industry.
www.electricalcareers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/TESP-England-Route-3-Self-Funded.pdf
Things to consider.
Diploma doesn’t qualify you, you still need to build a workplace logbook (NVQ) and take the AM2S end point assessment, which is unfunded.
Logbook £1200-£1700
AM2S £900
You won’t be fully qualified as an electrician until this is done, as you will just have the classroom based learning, not the work based.
You may also struggle to find a job, as your only experience will be classroom based, so employers may see you as expensive and inexperienced.
@@Pure_electrical_training thanks Again Adrian for your videos and your engagements to clarify all this pathways and options we can take.
Doesn't change much, certain places ditched DE In favour of proper L2 and L3. Sounds good right?
But even after 16weeks people leave clueless..
I completely agree
realising this today
after doing the course and looking to register with nice
I would love to start, a career with electrics, but I feel am past, it at my age, and would qualify only to retirement, my son said "for people who ignore , and just fix and feel DIY, but not qualified, could be stopped by making a socket with a tamper proof seal, which locks the socket as tampered, rendering it illegal, to add more socket's like the meter, my son thinks that would be good idea? Probably, will be something similar in the future ?
They made alchohol 'illegal' in the states from 1920 to 1933. That didn't work either...
You still get these courses... just look on line !!
Crooks will still sell you a worthless course that you don’t need, or is not valid.
What is your opinion on these.. Trades Skills 4U, and Access Training? Crooks or legit?
Guys I know have Training at those sites .
I have just completed my level 3 diploma electrical installation and worked as electricians mate. Due to covid I was not able to start my 2391 which I now have to start in September and my 18th edition which will take me into new requirements territory.
So are they stating is that I have to do another 2 years of evidence whilst my 2391 experience reaches 2 years before I can be qualified to work in a domestic/any environment for myself? if that is the case then its wrong to punish genuine learners who have committed long term and put the graft in academically and practically on jobs, simply because we are on the wrong side of a timeline.
I totally agree that short courses should be scrapped for domestic route but why impact on learners who have gone about things the right way as the industry sold it to us. The domestic route is a foot in the door with limitations which I totally accept and agree with. But it's a starting point for some when apprentice work not an action due to age.
The last 2 years have cost people like me 4.5k in college, attending college 3 nights a weeks whilst holding down a regular job, whilst working with a sparky to gain experience and have some sort of family life only for the goal post to be moved and being told thanx for coming but f××k you 🖕.
@@JIBS. that's what i dont get. I don't see how I could because it states you need 2 years of evidance before I can a be approved periodic tester or qualified supervisor (competent person) which I will not be able to obtain as I am not permitted to complete such works. Therefore I would have to do it whilst working with someone who is qualified to gain 2 years experience working as their mate on day rate if anything at all
Other thing I don't get is If I join after Sept as you mentioned, what would I be joining as, what would be my status, what would that grant me to do or my limitations? Previously if I would have joined niceic upon completion of required qualifications i would have domestic installer status. I could work with 230/40 v, I could sign off my work without having to get local auth to check.
The competent person schemes are very loose on the 2 years experience and they don’t specify when it starts.
You will most likely find that they will take that 2 years from the moment you started, so you have already done your 2 years.
Phone a scheme and ask the question, as from what so hear NAPIT are taking people with 12months, or will sell you some extra training to prove you can
I could do 10 years of absolute shite work and get qualified?
Yep
3:25 I just want to point out that there is no need to be registered with a CPS in order to carry out periodic inspections in the private rental sector. This is noted in the government guidance for landlords:
"The electrical safety industry has established competent person schemes. Membership of these will not be compulsory to ensure there is no further pressure placed on the industry, nor undue burden placed on inspectors and testers."
Not yet, but they are trying
@Maxwell Severins exactly. The schemes weren't interested in the inspection side of our trade until EICRs became compulsory for rentals, and they saw an opportunity to line their pockets.
They will do alright out of it even though there's no need to register, there are enough people out there happy to feed the parasites