Obi-Wan Kenobi - It Gets Worse
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2022
- Obi-Wan Kenobi episode 3 brought us the much-trailed reunion of Darth Vader and Obi-Wan, and somehow managed to make it a contrived, tedious, canon-wrecking affair.
(This is a slightly snuffly review, as I have flu. This might also result in one or two things having been missed or misidentified. I don't believe this undermines any of the points made herein, but I aim to publish a video at the end of the season going through points made in these videos and correcting them where necessary, and generally responding to criticism. A series of polemics/rants will, obviously, not be quite as rigorous as a full-length video essay, but it’s important that we be as honest as possible in our criticisms, and it’s my hope that this approach will result in a final verdict that’s not based on any mistakes or misconceptions that may have been carried through from these earlier videos.)
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This is a slightly snuffly review, as I have flu. This might also result in one or two things having been missed or misidentified. I don't believe this undermines any of the points made herein, but I aim to publish a video at the end of the season going through points made in these videos and correcting them where necessary, and generally responding to criticism. A series of polemics/rants will, obviously, not be quite as rigorous as a full-length video essay, but it’s important that we be as honest as possible in our criticisms, and it’s my hope that this approach will result in a final verdict that’s not based on any mistakes or misconceptions that may have been carried through from these earlier videos.
I hope you get well soon. I’m surprised Mauler is being silent about this.
Points were spot on. I gave this episode a chance. Being the 3rd in the series I was expecting to see Obi Wan turn a corner and finally get over his ptsd or at least put it aside to confront evil people killing innocents right in front of his face but the heroic moment didnt come and thats a damn shame. We just get another 6 episode steaming dump. I'm done watching it. I'll just catch what happens from reviewers.
Feel better man and thanks for the content!
@Ultra Darth MAGA Thanks! And I agree. I would say I’m sure they’ll bring him back - because how *couldn’t* they?! But then, if they had any regard at all for canon, this show wouldn’t have been made. So perhaps they won’t.
@@MisteRRYouTuby I think they’re going to do these as EFAP minis/watch parties, so that’s down to when they can get everyone together and how long it takes an editor to compile the highlights. Which is fun from my end, as it means I get to see how much of what I pick up on bothers them too!
@Ultra Darth MAGA but he didnt die, if maul can get cut in half and live then im pretty sure the GI can survive this especially sense she probably missed his vital organs sense hes not human but an alien and therefore could have different vital organs in different places in his body. also people are getting mad about this episode having vader and obi-wan meeting. it never states in canon they didnt meet before the death star fight. and heres why.... HE legit calls him DARTH and isnt surprised that hes in the suit!!!!! how do you explain that scene then?! if I saw a 7 foot man in a black leather armored suit i would not assume that he was Anakin Skywalker turned Darth Vader, I would assume oh some OP Stormtrooper has sick battle armor neat. There needs to be a reason that Obi-Wan knows that the man in that suit is named Darth Vader, sense he wouldn't have seen Anakin's suit up scene in ep3 nor would he have been told that Darth Vader is the man in the black armor sense there is no scene of him knowing that. also i get people thing Star Wars is dead however yall dont complain about ep4 constantly being changed and yet this episode breaks the canon? the one that legit has a reason to set up how Kenobi would know that Anakin survived, and it makes sense that he would be scared of vader sense the last he saw him he was extra crispy original recipe. so i think that Kenobi makes more sense than Rey calling herself a Skywalker. and lastly yall are complaining about a series that in comics, books, and now movies Palpatine CLONES HIMSELF!!!! but this meeting breaks the mold got it!
"I sense a presence I haven't felt since...last week?"
✌🏼perfect !!!!! & hilarious!
There's no respect for the Original Legacy characters in the Oriinal Trilogy from Disney and KK. Smh. Very sad.
Yeah exactly. Did those morons forget that line from Star Wars? Propaganda
9 years is a long time lol
@@OrignalElidest yep
My son, 14, who I partially raised on Star Wars, watched this and said "the writing is horrible", "why didn't he just go around the laser gate". He also said "Vader's breathing is the most iconic breathing in all of movie history" and gave an "ooofff" when the storm trooper was cut in half. He has seen all movies and all of clone wars (almost all episodes). He knows Star wars very well and respects it. He does not analyze or view this through the lens of culture or politics, but just thinks this show is not that good.
Based teenager
He’s right, it’s not good.
My son (11) also was laughing at Episode 3. We just agreed to abandon OWK and rewatch Rebels from the start.
@@randomname5646 he can find that on his own later
raised him right
Was a blast fighting Vader in Fallen Order, even if it was destined for you to lose and escape. Damn, they really captured him right, the way he swatted away Cere and the look on Trilla's face when she heard his breathing were all done to perfection.
BuT sTaR WaRs FaNs aRe ImPosSiBle To PlEaSe
Also his words in Fallen Order are: You have failed me Inquisitor(lights up lightsaber), kills her and tells you to submit. Also tries to push out anger from Cere.
Vader in this show: You should have killed me when you had a chance.....
Ughhhhh, so lame.
@@zzickos well Vader was severely depressed and has tried to kill himself before
Congrats, you are the perfect little consumer.
9⁹io8
If we’re being serious, didn’t Kenobi literally say he didn’t do anything but watch Luke until the OT
Yeah but that doesn't make Disney any money
Yeah but that was BEN and this is the obi-wan show. U just have to see it from a certain point of view
and Vader still couldn't beat em
@@lizarddude7730 are you being serious?
@@justinsane1119 he's trolling. Devil's advocate
The words of contempt chosen in the last five minutes of this review were sheer poetry:
“...All the gravity stolen from the work of better men and they've squandered it... The grave has been dug up. The corpse has been exhumed, dolled up, and put on display. And we have been asked to pretend that it still lives. We've been asked to praise it; to champion it; to roll over in our appreciation; as though if what we've been given breathes new life into a corpse. It'll satisfy those people shallow enough to draw no distinctions between a lover and a cadaver of the same. But this is no way to live a life and it is no way to create art and stories. It adds... nothing. It has... no soul. It is a lifeless puppet strung up by some cash-hungry marrionettist in a bit to profit from the cheap thrills of the children of a bankrupt age. It doesn't honor the past -- it debases it for our shallow pleasure. We, this world, and these characters deserve so much better than this. What a crying shame. What an astounding waste this story is.”
Yes. Quite.
Excellent Quote
Agreed chief agreed
Vader keeps mysteriously appearing out of the darkness...despite sounding like a steam train and being lit up like a christmas tree...
*Obi-Wan Kenobi* : (waves hand) You don't need to see his identification.
*Stormtrooper* : We don't need to see his identification.
*Obi-Wan Kenobi* : And those are the droids that you're looking for.
*Stormtrooper* : And those are the droids that we're looking for.
*Obi-Wan Kenobi* : That's right... Oh wait, no! Oh, bloody hell! I've buggered this one up, as well!
Hey now--in Obi-Wan's defense, that laser barricade was at least chest-high. And we all know nobody can cross a chest-high wall!
Obi-wan’s high ground is also only chest high.
@@sammeo See--exactly!
Heaven forbid a Force Jump has to be employed. Where’s the fun in that?😆
What an unexpected reference to a recently built wall
I disagree with you on one point: in the Revenge of the Sith, the senate cheered and clapped when Palpatine announced he will be replacing the Republic with a galactic Empire. So Tia saying she joined the Empire when it stood for something isn't far fetched. Perhaps people intially believed in the Empire, since afterall Palpatine was responsible for ending the Clone Wars (and again, the Senate approved of the formation of the Empire).
I'd also like to add that the Empire was seen as a force of order for most of the Galaxy. It's a small detail but it matters when talking about civilian support of the Empire. For a majority of the galaxy, the empire really was just a stronger, better republic. The soldiers were normal civilians, they had more of a connection to the people they were protecting, they came in and effectively acted as a superior police force, taking out pirates and criminal gangs alike. For your average civilian, the Empire was neutral if not mildly benevolent. They had no knowledge of the slavery nor the atrocities. Order 66 was spun to be in defense of the galaxy against an attacking Jedi force, the Death Star wasn't known of by most, and the destruction of alderaan hasn't occured yet either. Truth be told, even at this point in the story (10 years into Imperial Age) the empire still stood for something: order, safety, peace.
@@doow11 yes, true knowledgable star wars fan 👌🏼💯
People used to think globalism was good to even though its now one of the biggest reasons the west is falling. That doesnt mean globalism ever stood ffor something good (at least for most people). I think you could say the same with the empire in star wars.
@@xiojade7 globalism is a policy/ idea. The Empire is a governmental body. You can't really compare the two. The Empire absolutely could and did stand for something. It was touted to the galactic masses as a new government based on order and making a "safe and secure society." It stood for order, stability, and progress. A beacon of hope rising from the chaos of the Clone Wars and the hated stagnancy and incompetency that characterized the last decades of the Galactic Republic.
The Empire's policies helped prevent and end rampant piracy, criminal syndicates, and general conflict in the mid rim and parts of the core worlds.
It wasn't until people began seeing how many freedoms they were losing for the sake of that safety and how abusive the Empire was to places like the outer rim that people started learning it was evil. Even then the empire had many supporters, who thought the trade off was worth it.
People need to read the novels. Not everyone hates the empire...atleast if you were human.
Sounds like a Monty Python line: "Why do you think he's a Jedi....because he looks like one!". They are stormtroopers after all.
🤣🤣
When I rewatched the OT, I noticed that every time the protagonists get away from Vader, it was because Vader had planned it in order to find the rebel alliance or to draw them into an even more intense trap. It wasn't from incompetence like everything he does in this show. What's more entertaining? A scary bad guy who is always a step ahead of your heros or a murderous monster who is so stupid he can't walk around burning sand?
He just let him get away, out of pure enjoyment, you see it when he turns around, ofc he could havw gotten to Obi, I think he is both dissapointed in Obi and also enjoy the fear that Ben is feeling while being hunted, I'm not even sure he really wants closure rather then enjoying the pain from knowing Ben is still alive. Probably that fact enhances his powers
@@nilsenstrom857 No.
In Episode III he has no chill and tries to murder Kenobi, and were it not for a slight advantage of high ground Kenobi would be dead. In Episode IV Vader senses him, seeks him out, greets him and then fights/murders him and goes about his day. That is who Vader is. Ruthless and pragmatic. He enjoys a bit of sinister taunting and on the spot torture, but not to the point of idiocy. He gets the job done and moves on. He will not let Kenobi go if that does not provide him any further gain.
On top of that, am I to believe this little fire was not circumventable? You can go around it easily. Mere moments ago Vader blew it out and dragged Kenobi across with the Force, can he not do so again? Can he not crush the droid? Is he out of Force potions now? You can literally hear the storm troopers shout, "I can't see him!" "can't get through!", which means the writers want us to believe that they are doing their damnedest to reach Kenobi and can't. I simply refuse to take that as fact: nothing physically impairs you to go around this fire, that much is established visually, and Vader just displayed powers that would mean escape is impossible.
Really, it is absurd to insinuate that Vader let Kenobi go, or that he was actually out of reach. My eyes saw what they did, my ears heard what they did. I know how Vader is from the films, videogames, extended universe, and I picked up on what the writers wanted us to believe from their writing. Their understanding of the characters is out of sync with how they really are. Even then, they break the rules that they established themselves and expect me to accept that. I simply won't.
Please, do not insult the common sense and good intellect of the viewer.
@@13Psycho13 I must ask, since I have ypur attention, why do you watch it? Move on to something else, I know all this about Vader and my only plausible explanation for Vaders reaction was that he let him go. I was a kid and I also need to realise I will never get the same feeling I got from watching the OT as a young kid. Thats just life, I see it for what it is, the OT also have some silly things in them, for example Kenobi stating that stormtroopers have excellent aim, but the rest of the trilogy you get the feeling they couldnt hit a mountain even if they were standing on it.
@@nilsenstrom857 about the stupid stormtrooper joke you have to remember that a new hope started with them over taking a rebel cruiser. And when they were show. To be missing every hit george Lucas wisely gave us a line to explain this “you sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I’m taking an aweful risk Vader” you hear that? Tarkin wanted them to escape so he can find their secret base. Now of course George didn’t help the lowly stormtrooper reputation by showing them getting their asses whooped by a clan of teddy bears, George Ik you wanted more merchandise but teddy bears really? Oh whatever. Unfortunately stormtroopers have become a long lasting in-joke. An in-joke that the mandalorian fortunately decided to make canon
@@13Psycho13 in episode 3? When anakin got beaten and left for dead burning alive. You don't think that anakin after 10 years would want revenge on the person who bested him. Obviously vader could put the fire out again but if he wanted kenobi dead or brought back to the ship he would have done it himself easily. He could use kenobi to find more rebels or jedi as well as have him suffer with guilt for a little while longer
“What an astounding waste this story is” lol
Said as much myself when I first heard it.
7:01 - 7:21 This 20 second clip is going to age like fine wine. Disney SW is appealing to the present time only and will ultimately fail to be timeless
Somehow disney manages to retcon their own canon which is quite a feat in itself. Great work guys👏👍
George Lucas did it too but for the most part not a big enough deal to change things.
However . . . He did bring back Maul and introduced Ashoka - HUGE continuity conflicts that should have never happened or been labeled as non-canon. It’s good stuff but it just shouldn’t be canon. In ROTS Ashoka doesn’t exist in any form not even in the minds of Anakin or Obi Wan. Additionally Maul is dead and should have always been dead. The Duel of The Fates & Qui Gon’s life are rendered meaningless with the return of Maul and when the PT Saga was completed - he was dead. That’s the real story.
For me OT & PT are canon give or take a few small details.
Everything else is expanded universe.
@@TerryKashat have you not seen clone wars season 7 its literally shows perfectly why ahsoka isnt in rots other than fact she hadnt been created yet when rots came out, and for maul its not like qui gon sacrificed himself for obi wan like with vader sacrificing himself and killing the emperor for luke just for disney to bring him back which completely ruined vaders sacrifice, maul coming back honestly ended up being a good thing in the end bc we saw mauls character grow and had a slight redemption in rebels and became a fan favorite
@@TerryKashat I agree with Maul. That was the green light to "somehow Palpatine have return". You really should not do that. I dead character is dead. Dont force stuff.
I am not that sure with Ahsoka. I think you can make her work in Canon. I will say, the character leaving after being betrayed by the Jedi was a nice way of taking her out and contribute to Anakin downfall. The mistake was to force her to have a relevant role in paralel with the events of the third movie. It does break things. Anakin wouldnt have agreed to Order 66 that fast knowing she was out there fighting, nor he would be as bitter against the Jedi as he could have been.
@@TerryKashat Blasphemy… Maul was killed of prematurely, him and Ahsoka are two of the greatest characters of the franchise. You obviously have never seen Clone Wars 🤦♂️
@@albertocruzado2899 “The mistake was to force her to a relevant role in parallel with the third movie” that arc was the highest-rated Star Wars EVER (a whopping 9.9/10 on IMDB), so it’s more than a good trade to “force” her in.
Even riddled with depression and ptsd Obi-wan should have been tougher and more competent than this rice pudding of an elite-level Jedi.
I can't help but wonder how people would react to such a feeble and degraded Yoda / Mace Windu /Qui-gon? Not well, one suspects. Obi-wan is a Jedi Master hall-of-famer, and deserves better than to be written off as some punk who gives up, wallowing in self-pity, and completely lets himself go half-way through a solemn promise to TWO of his former masters.
By all means portray him as weaker and rustier, but Threepio would have given a better accounting of himself than this dude! :P
Yep. These people have absolutely no idea what subtlety or nuance are though, so they went way too far in the other direction just like they did with Luke Skywalker.
Yoda was a pretty feeble dude in Empire and Jedi, I see people with no qualms regarding that.
@@Killerbee4712 very different scenario
they mean if you made a prequel era content featuring mace windu who could barely block blaster bolts. or any other Jedi who should be strong but are weak for no reason
@@mannos8970 But the Obi-wan show is not prequel content. Its well established within the reign of the empire.
@@Killerbee4712 Yoda was Hella old and quite literally near death.
And also we didn't know much about what came before. When the original trilogy was first released. So there was no reason to complain
It's crazy how in those clips of Fallen Order, the acting by the CG characters is ten times better than the actors in the series!
I was thinking the same thing. Even the story is better. How are vid game creators better than movie makers??
@@themarcusnash13 because video game makers aren't in general trying to push a sjw agenda above story telling and character arcs
Yea the reva actor sucks she delivers her lines terribly
@@adamduffield7782 LOL
@@adamduffield7782 Except they are. Every form of media thesedays have American politics shoved into its players/viewers ears and eyes
I absolutely did not want a Kenobi-Vader fight because it would not make sense with that key scene in Star War (A New Hope). Yes, the idea is exciting but there are some things that have to be left alone unfortunately. Like Jeff Goldblume says in Jurassic Park: “Your scientists [writers] were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”
ANH was retconned a lot.
The idea "was" exciting. Did you see that fight in EP3... awful.
They could have just made it a force vision fight or something, or actually write around ANH, but nooo, cheap thrills!
@@madjoe8622 You know that's not the duel they were talking about right?
You know I agree with you, but at this point the writers don't care and it's going to happen. So I say if you're GOING to do it, at least do it well and they freaking can't.
I always justified the continuity issue about Leia's memories of her mother by presuming that her memory of her mother was of the adopted mother (the Senator's wife), not Padme. I know this is kinda thin but it at least makes sense with what is shown. It does still irk me tho because there's such little room in movies to tell things that obviously the lines in episode 6 were meant to be about Padme, and for poor Luke that's all he ever heard about his mom. So if Leia's memory is false or confused that's just extra heartbreaking. Idk, it's unresolved and I don't like it. But that's honestly my only pre-Disney Star Wars gripe.
And this problem showed up only during prequels.
The issue could have been cleared up if the senator's wife was dead... Then could have just told her that she wasn't his bio daughter but he loves her... So she'd believe the senator's dead wife was her mom, and that he married her while she was still a toddler. Done. Not like anyone in the Organa family believed she wasn't adopted the cousin confirms that everyone knows. Could have just did a soft lie due to a dead wife and leave the father as a vague encounter. Boom she could then as an adult mix up memories with her dead adopted mom with padme not questioning it beyond that.
So this could just be me, but I always thought Leia mentioning remembering her mother to be an indication of her force sensitivity. What she remembered wasn't necessarily her mother's face (because she and Luke were newborns) but something more... IDK if that makes any sense, but that's what I thought!
@@leilav2976 That does make the most sense. Like how Luke knew Leia was his sister without being told.
@AudrinaOralay and Leia also knew! When Luke tells her she's his sister she says "I know, somehow I've always known" indicating she has force sensitivity and also an ability (mostly having to do with the force) to know things she should have no way of knowing!
Also true fans of Star Wars know the history of the movies are willing to overlook small inconsistencies because they know how the movies were made and why they were made in that order! It's the same reason people are willing to overlook Luke and Leia kissing even though she says she always knew they were siblings! Lucas didn't know when or if he was going to be able to make another movie, so he worked with what he did have.
Watching that rematch I knew something didn't feel right. I just couldn't put my finger on it. You hit the nail on the head. No tension, no warning. It just happens out of nowhere and it's sloppy.
I'm really not sure what to think of the series thus far, I have some mild enjoyment here and there, but the continuity errors with the Original Trilogy and rebels just kinda ruins it for me. Like I'm not sure if they're trying to lean in to this being a different timeline(Via The world between worlds) or they are leading into Disney remaking the original trilogy, which god I hope it isn't the Latter.
GI is still alive.
Just wait till they explain everything. 3 more episodes left
@@achaudhari101 so you okay with modern movies continuing with thus gotcha trope, oh look character is dead, not really though. Its boring and insulting.
@@blissken1 if you don’t like it then don’t watch it, simple as that
@@blissken1 Well, if you weren't aware, the GI plays a major role in the Rebels series, so the likelihood they'll retcon that is low. I think it works here regardless, as there are really only 2 ways this should be taken. 1- casual fans unfamiliar with Rebels probably will get a kick out of the GI still being alive later in Kenobi. 2- hardcore fans will already know he survives so we should probably also assume he's coming back before Kenobi is over.
I guess there is option 3 in which hardcore Star Wars fans, even knowing what they know, are angry at Disney for killing off a character when we don't even know that this character has been killed.
Levitation is just a standard telekenesis, not a sequel power.
Separate* I’m not trying to sound rude I’m just pointing it out.
@@speeddemon5339 the point is that the inquisitors were chosen specifically because they were weak in the force so how would they have the ability to bind one another?
Yeah, all the sequel powers are just awful versions of established EU force powers.
@@sawyercrosby3710 That's not even that strong.
Couldn’t have summarised my problem with the series better. Vader felt like a caricature of Kylo Ren. His anticipated face-off with Kenobi felt like a poor cosplay video.
His face off with Kenobi made complete sense, vader being absolutely brutal and essentially toying with Kenobi, Kenobi hasn’t picked up a lightsaber or used the force in 10 years how do you think he’s going to be a master
Sure pal. What did you expect? Vader to be blinded by rage and anger like maul as he once did as anakin? Or a proper sith master
They branded it “The rematch of the century”. The least I expected was a better choreographed fight. What I got was two kids with sticks and Obiwan being Floyd Mayweather.
@@TheAutarchy this is episode 3 like we’re only halfway into the season there will most likely be another fight where obi wan is much better
@@dxnielastbury8767 you’re putting Logic to star wars fans. Those dont mix!
Want to know why Star Wars sucks now? Kathleen Kennedy. That's why!
I'm afraid it runs deeper than that now. She was the cancers head but now it's spread.
Diversity hiiiiiire
She doesn't have a lot of creative control if you really look into her position at Lucasfilm.
@@dhltn8624 I remember thinking the same thing when Mando came out ...
Also the crazy age we live in.
To be fair to the Imperial Officer/Underground Railroad character, Luke Skywalker also wanted to join the Empire in ANH, just like his friend Biggs. It's possible she was just as ignorant as to what it stood for when she joined. She might've also been from some backwater world and had little experience with it. ... and now I'm defending something in this show. Ugh. Time for bed.
It's a lot like the real world. We all know the government does bad stuff, but most of us jump at the chance to work there if it means financial stability. That's a much better motive for Imperials than just being cartoonishly evil for no reason.
He didn't want to join the Empire specifically but an Imperial Academy to become a star pilot. He even said in ANH that he actually hates the Empire.
@@IsoSubject5 THE Imperial Academy. Let's not pretend it was something different. As someone else pointed out, it's a government job that would get him the heck out of Tatooine. That was more important to him than politics.
@@IsoSubject5 dude it’s one in the same
That's what I meant. It would have been abbout becoming a pilot and leaving Tattooine, not for ideological reasons. And I don't think he was ignorant about it because he DID hate it.
"The grave has been dug up, the corpse has been exhumed, dolled up & put on display & we've been asked to pretend that it still lives." - 💯 Nailed it. #RIPStarWars
I assume you won't be watching the rest of the show then?
why should we watch the rest of the show, it’s been spoiled jaja. it’s steamy trash
@@doboi8121 I was simply asking if they planned to watch the rest. But yes, if you're so upset by it then you shouldn't watch the rest. I'm sure you both will watch though, and bitch about it for the next 3 weeks.
The show isn’t even that bad
I haven't watched anything since The Last Jedi. Just watch videos talking about the new stuff and that's enough for me to see how far everything has dropped off the Disney cliff.
Hadn’t thought of thought but Reva should 100% have a theme with how much she’s in it
Reeeeeee'va doesn't need a theme. She needs to have better writing and less wooden acting.
So if these two have another fight at the end like the leaks suggest, Vader's gonna get waxed for the second time, at peak Sith no less, and come back saying he "was but the learner"
Makes him sound salty, not confident
Darth Vader is the MANIFESTATION of Anakin's saltiness (blame the prequels), so it fits.
@@Foxarocious no
And whatever happens, it won't make sense anymore after ep3: for that ANH quote to work, "when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master", Obi-Wan needs to soundly beat Vader in the next 2 episodes. But then you have to write it in such a way that Vader accepts being defeated, and.. why the f would he ever? Why would he stop chasing Kenobi now that he is on to him? It makes absolutely zero sense.
They've written themselves up a wall, and they're content with it apparently. They should've left the Kenobi-Vader confrontation well enough alone. This should've been a simple, introspective story on Tatooine, not a grand adventure through the galaxy.
The idea that Obi-wan leaves his best friend to die then only sees him again when they're both ancient and more estranged than ever, at the respective heights and lows of their strength before he gets struck down and becomes more powerful than he can possibly imagine, proving the failure of the dark side once again was pretty cool, right?
Well I guess not. The white slavers strike again
Not to mention he only faces Vader again (after Leia pleads for his help) to sacrifice himself for the sake of his other 'son' in Luke (as both father and son share the same mentor/father figure) hoping to redeem himself by not making the same mistakes he did with Anakin, not to mention knowing that the twins will be reunited. But fuck it, let's just have a load more pointless battles on a planet no one cares about, and say generic shit like, "I am what you made me"....
That makes no sense.
Whats it like when you are as dumb as you are? Do you just sit around farting in the bathtub and laughing to yourself?
I have to agree, the retconning is making it cheaper, and it's not that hard to have them fight in a force vision. No one would care if they had some respect for the OG trilogy.
@@rubydoo3307 And since Luke had the same experience on Dagobah, it would actually MAKE SENSE to do that
I laughed hard when Kenobi ran off from Vader
@Tim Burm1 I MUST DEFEND MY PRODUCT
That’s a straw man why isn’t he training how is he going to teach Luke if he isn’t doing shit himself and no one complained about ob1 going head to head with Darth Vader in ANH
Really dude just stop defending trash writing
@Tim Burm1 yeah we are to believe he has done fuck all for ten years and is now fucking useless. old man ben is better than this joke. He can't protect shit if he doesn't fucking train, also buries his lightsaber, is he going to protect luke against jedi's with a damn blaster?? cause i'm sure that will work...
Kenobi is a bitch in this series and it's only been 10 years
@@michaeldickson5134 yea that also raised a question too. Why would he said to Owen he wanted to train him but he cut himself from the force and buried his own lightsaber in the first place?
@@xylonus indeed, given the state they are portraying him in he wouldn't have been able to train anyone let alone protect them if a sith came for luke. Its just lazy assed writing imo, doesn't give me hope for the remaining 3 episodes.
This is the greatest breakdown so far. It won't be heard. We are overwhelmed by idiots, ignorance, and people that just don't really care about Star Wars.
I'm fairly certain that anyone who enjoyed episode 3 of this shocking tv show is either under 8 years old, or hasn't seen Star Wars before and watched the show on acid. It is literally impossible to have a human brain and think this is passable.
@@falcodarkzz I’m part of some Star Wars groups on Facebook, these are briming with woke idiots who love the Kenobi series. Sad facts indeed.
I know we’ve lost the war …
@@andreasgoransson Holy shit the facebook groups are the worse. It's like they are lining up for concentration camps. No free thought at all. No standards. I cant believe there are this many people who act like this.
Btw, you can also explain Leia’s memory of her mother with the force. It’s not too difficult to believe a child of the chosen one might have dreams of her mother before her death. It would explain why she’s so hesitant.
There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind KK is intentionally destroying these male legacy characters. She’s the most petty and vindictive woman in Hollywood.
That’s about the size of it.
That would explain it...It's personal. Nobody could be this stupid
Are you sure she's not just incompetent?
Also if Reva can read minds, and found a link between Bail and Kenobi, then for her plan to work, Bail would have to either know where Kenobi is, or at least be able to contact him in order to send Kenobi to rescue her. So Reva could have saved a lot of time by just reading Bail's mind.
That's also ignoring that Reva could read minds but somehow Vader or the Emperor couldn't.
@@Lobsterwithinternet yeah. No one cared when writing this shit
because an inquisitor could just walk to a senator and mind rape him... that's equally silly solution...
Look, Reva is da best aveR!
She couldn’t just walk into Alderran and force an Imperial Senator to let her read his mind. They have special privileges, hence why the grand inquisitor was pissed that she kidnapped bails kid.
19:00 That part about Vader being more menacing inside a claustrophobic setting made me see a similarity between him and the Minotaur of Crete. Both are giant hybrid beings whom the heroes (Luke / Theseus) encounter in a claustrophobic environment (Cramped corridors / Labyrinth).
Another classic…”he’s right there on the other side of the fire, damn! I guess I can’t get to him now. Might as well leave as he’s still very slowly being carried away by a droid about 50 ft away. Wish I had something that could levitate his body over the fire to me? Looks at Stormtrooper “Hey Ralph, you got a way around over there?!”
“No Boss, there’s a slight sand hill in the way!”
“I guess the guy I’m obsessed with finding and exacting revenge on who I couldn’t find after exhaustive searching but have now found can wait for another time”.
“Alright guys let’s go take it out on the town and fuck off then….damn, forgot the baby powder first again”
Obi-Wan's brother is Obi-Two.
Oh wow! The conclusion is incredibly powerful! Got me loads of goosebumps. Thanks, man
What this episode taught me: Darth Vader is not scary in a quarry at night, and Ben Kenobi is a better shot than Han Solo despite hating blasters.
Quickly becoming one of my favorite CZcamsrs. Keep it up. Also, 30 minute format is perfect. I would also watch 3 hours.
Even legends knew not to disrespect the meeting in a new hope.
No they just still had Obi Wan leave Tattooine. You’re not bright.
Man this is good analysis. Forgetting all the obvious SJW, bad writing etc for a minute, what’s bad about these shows in this : Where’s the artistry? The grandeur? The Majesty of Star Wars? Star Wars is a simplistic story about goodies and baddies and the triumph of morality over power. Greek Tragedy. Remember Luke and twin sunset with John Williams’ music? Or the music and sound when the Millenium Falcon helplessly enters the Death Star, as being drawn into the mouth of some giant beast? Or the Imperial March playing when Vader arrives at the 2nd Death Star to check on it’s “lack of progress”? Absolutely hallmark scenes, amazing and artistic cinematography, great sound, and perfect music. These shows have nothing, absolutely forgettable crap.
I disagree with you to an extent, but also agree with you too lol.
I think part of it is just the fact it's a series rather than a movie- the story has to (or perhaps just because it's "the thing to do") fit a more serialized format, aka each episode has to have somewhat of an arc and they tend to end on cliffhangers to keep people wanting more. In some ways (and with Kenobi especially) I think that kinda works. It's almost an homage to the Flash Gordon serials that originally inspired Lucas himself. Do I think a more traditional, but extended, cinematic format could work on Disney+? Absolutely. But in many ways it would be experimental, and Disney/Lucasfilm doesn't tend to push the envelope these days.
As far as scope/scale/budget is concerned, I just don't think we will see the heights of the best Star Wars films via any Disney+ series- the time & money just isn't there. What's worse is that the series seem to be Lucasfilm's main focus these days. Hard to blame them when they've had mostly positive reactions to their series as opposed to their films. But Star Wars ultimately belongs in theaters, and I hope they can get that arm of the business working properly again someday.
I do feel that the cinematography has been elevated a couple notches with Kenobi though, and (some of) the acting is the best we've seen in any of their original series. Honestly I think Andor might be the sleeper epic we're waiting on.
Man this is the most picky I’ve heard a review in a while
@@asimhussain8716 I'm hoping you're not referring to me as one of those "sheep." If not, we're good.
Personally I think this first run-in was just to show how far Obi has fallen from when we last saw him. I do think (hope) we will see Vader's private reaction/rumination on the downfall of his former master. First time through I thought it was lame he let him go. 2nd time through it felt more like it gave Vader pause seeing his old master like this. Not that he has any love left for him, but I think it'd be perplexing to see that for him, and in a way, disappointing. If you're hellbent on revenge for a decade and find the confrontation after all those years so anticlimactic, surely you'd have some disappointment there. Hopeful that the next episode clarifies things a bit.
Could it have been better? Yes. Do I think it's the worst thing Disney has ever done with my (our, but not you because you said so no offense haha) precious Star Wars? Not by a mile. I'd say so far it's the 2nd best Disney Star Wars series, with Mando out front and BoBF getting lapped lol. The sequel trilogy was the worst of it for me, and while this show hasn't been perfect, I personally feel it is a step in the right direction.
Your comment on intentionally causing unrest and further division is eery and totally plausible. That's what so much media has become, so why not Star Wars too? Although the amount of hate and flaring tempers surrounding it all might just be the status quo in the age of outrage.
I'm going to reserve my full judgment for the end of the series though. It's not like I'm certain it will end up being amazing & that they'll answer every question & iron out every wrinkle, but I do think it could be very good in the end.
You instantly lost when you said "sjw". You people are a tiny hate filled group of snowflakes.
stop watching, you people keep crying about sjw work and then keep watching. it's hilarious
you have a point. I feel like the matchup here was too early as well, considering they decided to make this 6 episode series into a multi season show, this is an episode you rewrite because it no longer fits at all. even in a 6 episode series? no. this would be episode 6 climax at most,
a short clash where Obi, having just recently defeated the inquisitors, vader shows up, Ben recognizes who he is, and just whispers something akin to " anakin, no." and after a short fight where they are definitely evenly matched, Obi-wan decides discretion is the greater part of valor and makes a run for it after trapping vader in someway that leaves him a significant danger, like a heavy duty blast door. while he escapes and makes sure he won't be found again, letting everything fit into the continuity. in vader's mind, he was beaten, but he did not lose. they are no longer master and student, but equals. setting up the line later in the timeline.
I was waiting between Clipped Coin or you to make a video. Neither of you disappoint. Love the upcoming channels with their own voice.
I don´t think the outdoors fight is totally mistaken. I think that the fact that it was nighttime adds to the claustrophobic sense. A plain desert or an open space can be equally claustrophobic since there is no place to escape to. No house or cave to hide into. In a way, there is nowhere to run so I do not think it is totally mistaken. The execution of the idea wasn't the best though, the set looked like a run of the mill mine found on planet Earth, I'm sure things could be added to make it look at least subtly otherworldly so it could look less like fan fiction scene filmed in a factory round the corner.
Ah yes liminal spaces
Some really nice observations. I especially like your analysis fo why the Vader introduction is so feeble, I felt it, but didn't think it, you're bang on. It was atrocious and the wide open spaces is certainly part of it. Having Vader march around barren open spaces is just so...Drab. Also, the lack of good dialogue, between him and Obi Wan, is unforgivable. The history between these two, the degree they must have turned over a meeting in their minds...One would expect Obi Wan to at least say something, or Vader to express his hatred. Actually their meeting resembles that of two strangers more than characters who know one another. Whatsmore, Obi Wan neglecting his training while being Luke's only defender is trite nonsense just for the sake of creating a dramatic scenario. Gods, this show is just so bad. It's worse than the sequels, no doubt.
They met for like 10 min in the first 10 years why does everyone expect them to talk a whole ass conversation on what happened back then blah blah blah , I’m pretty sure obi wan was more focused on not dying
@@life09m Did you notice how poignant and memorable the scene between Obi Wan and Darth was in A New Hope? How meaningful the dialogue was? That's good filmmaking. That's how you create a history and a sense of feeling between two characters. And it was the exact same there, only they hadn't met in longer. The meeting was garbage in this episode, hilariously bad.
Worse than the sequels? Impossible
I agree. As far as we know, this is the FIRST time Obi-wan has met Anakin in 10 years. And as far as Obi-wan knows, Anakin should have died on Mustafar. Obi-wan should be horrified by what Anakin has become.
Thats the thing though. He's meeting Lord Vader fully immersed in his element at this point for the first time. He's barely recognizable as Anakin, he's almost an entirely different person altogether. What should they do? Play catch up? Vader literally murdered loads of children and Obi knew this beyond a shadow of a doubt at this point. Vader is no longer human, hes a machine and a monster, just like Obi said in the OT.
25:34 "WTF is going on?!"
Aww that delivery was so funny, I may have to yoink it!
Another well made masterpiece put together especially with you being poorly.
10 years ago we had Die Another Day with the invisible car.
Now we have flammable sand.
And teleporting sith
There is NO way Space Moses could get ahead of Baby General in a tunnel.
Unless there was a left and right way, which ended up meeting up in the middle...
So a pointless circle tunnel underground!
Time for a Vader Bath.
Bactta the future.
Ps I've given this ep and little Platoon a plug in my mooch the week episode posted Sunday 5th june
I don't think this show is AS bad as what you're saying, but some of these criticisms are on point. I think you're right that audience expectations for Star Wars have been eroded by weak release after weak release, and I especially think the music in most of the Disney content has been insufficient and lacks heart, even the stuff Williams did.
Yeah its not that bad, it's WORSE. Cope harder you delusional Disney Drone
To quote Count Dooku: “I’ve been looking forward to this”. I’ve said this on other reviews, a lot of people who like this show say that Vader let Obi Wan be taken by that droid was because of "him wanting a challenge" or being "underwhelmed by that fight". Darth Vader (who has been described by actors and others involved in the show as being in his peak) wouldn't have let a little bit of fire stop him from capturing a man he’s been murderously searching for ten years. Even if their encounter was underwhelming, Vader’s ultimate goal in life was to find Obi Wan and make him suffer the way he did on Mustafar in Revenge of the Sith. Plus Vader was able to put out the fire with the force moments ago, why couldn’t he just do that again. Also, why wouldn’t he just walk through the fire or simply leap over it, since his suit protects him from pretty much anything. But clearly the Galactic Empire known as Disney and Darth Kathleen Kennedy don’t understand how to honour what has come before! As Obi Wan says in the movie that started it all: “I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.”
And I say, if vader was more concerned about wanting a challenge than completing his main mission objective, why did he slaughter the younglings at the jedi temple in ROTS?
This alone makes Vader more principled and less violent. It doesnt fit with his character
But all these schill fans are calling intelligent analysis like this ridiculous and waiting to give Disney their money. Star Wars dies with the vocally ignorant group of fans.
@@fishing4happiness610 I’ll be called a racist soon for not liking the show!
All great points. But....if Vadar and Kenobi have one last epic fight would that make a difference? Vadar does want to torture Obi-Wan and make him suffer slowly and for a long time but I thought once Vadar saw Kenobi being picked up by that Robot and because Vadar felt how weak Kenobi had become that Vadar thought I will see where he goes and track him down and see if there are more Jedi around him. Buy I feel you....if Vadar wanted to put out that fire he could of. He also could have used the force to crush that robot before it reached Kenobi to pick him up. Vadar could have easily captured him then and there. I'm just hoping there is an epic final duel between Vadar and a stronger re-energized Obi-Wan.
@@jasonmardoniomeza1711 in my opinion, I don’t like the idea of Vader and Obi Wan fighting before A New Hope. The way I interpreted the quote “when I left you, I was but the learner” implies their fight on mustafar in Revenge of the Sith. I’ve seen people argue that having a fight in this show can work, but the way this show has been carried out so far, doesn’t leave me very optimistic. I highly doubt Disney will put a rabbit out of a hat and have the remaining episodes be the greatest pieces of fiction, but who knows
What i don´t understand is, how is Kenobi supposed to protect Luke and train him if he is soooo useless ? He acts like an Ex-Stormtrooper and not like an Ex-Jedi. He fights like John Wick and not an Swordmaster.
Bro he hasn't been training in 10 years and has been mostly cut off from the force to prevent inquisitors from locating him or Luke. Also despite not liking using them he's very good blasters as shown in the clone wars animated series.
@@MegaDman16 he didn't need to cut off from the force the CANON reason the sith couldn't find Luke or Obi was because Tatooine was too far from the rest of the galaxy it's why they couldn't find Anakin in the prequels so no he didn't need to cut off HOWEVER him cutting off leaves Luke and everyone else vulnerable for plot it's lazy
@@MegaDman16 "hes very good at using blasters" cant hit shit in episode 2 on the rooftops, but in ep3 hes john wick
@@theVictor-isVonDoom Lol the canon reason is stupid too. Vader was born on tattooine and has family there. How come Vader or palpatine never realized one of Vader’s kids was with his family lol
@@ChiTownMyTown do you know nothing of Vader??? he thought his kids died with Padme and he never went back to Tatooine because he actively avoided any and all things associated with his previous life it's like he said "that name holds no meaning to me anymore" and the same reason he destroyed a painting of Padme,Jar Jar,and himself he despises Anakin and anything associated with him and Palpatine knew of Padme but NEVER about the kids
My only issue with this show is Lord Vader giving up so easily, like in the books this man literally murdered a room full of Jedi because he thought Kenobi was in there.
I've seen people saying Vader let him leave because he was so embarrassed at Obi-wan's weakness and wanted a proper battle. Like damn, I didn't know the child-killer was so macho
Dude he killed a dad and broke the sons neck while the mom watched, you’re being a knit picky little bitch, don’t breed, we don’t need kids running around who are as stupid and shitty as you
Bad writers are stronger than Vader
@@alexmelling5261 vader would do that, wdym macho?
@@bruggger6287 Vader can't be the remorseless Imperial terminator everyone loves to jerk him off as if he's compromising missions for his own ego. It makes him look bipolar as fuck.
Vader, "The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master".
Jake Kenobi, "Uh...remember that dual we had on that construction site on the mining planet"?
Vader, "That was your drug trip dream from inhaling too much spice that you got from the girl at the market. Those spice trial offers have made your powers weak, Jake Kenobi".
😂🤣😂
Vader obviously refer leaving by leaving the Jedi order, not leaving Obiwan from a fight. And its not even a duel, he played with him. Also George didn't intend to make Vader as Anakin in ANH, thats why (at least what i thought) the line was cheesy
@@xylonus george also didn’t expect star wars to get this big and still be making stuff 40 years later. People think this is stupid but think vader not even seeing kenobi once in nearly 20 years is gods writing.
Enjoyed very much both this, and your critique of episodes 1-2. Towards the end of the video, I almost wanted to yell at you: “stop writing a better show than they did!” But I very much appreciate the effort! Subscribed!
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Okay, seriously, who in their right mind is paying for a Disney Plus subscription? I guarantee whatever is on their is either not worth it or can be found for free with a quick internet search.
Also, for gods sake, who is still holding out that Star Wars will improve now? I saw more than enough with the garbage Rey Trilogy. To Disney, Star Wars is not art and is not respected as the inspiration that it is. It's a cash cow to be milked, it's a mouthpiece for them to preach gender and race politics, it's a way for them to be "Inclusive" while talking down to their fans at every opportunity.
The Star Wars we all knew and loved is *dead* . Better to just stick to the great memories of old from the books and original trilogy, instead of punishing ourselves by tuning in for cash grabs like this.
I have a mate called Jack who sends me the videos. Good guy. Just got out of a long and difficult court case.
I can say it has been good to hear from "legacy" cast and crew being interviewed in recent years, though. Not about the shite they make now, but when they have stories about when they made real Star Wars.
It's not really worth it to endure the suffering of the new "content", but at the same time it sort of is worth the suffering.
I pay for it now just to watch the original films 😄
After the first 2 episodes decided to rinse my mind with the original 6 films.
Not me . Hard copies or the high seas . Savvy ?
torrent
Perhaps the most eloquent review yet! Insightful and spot on! Thank you! 👌
This is like the Michael Scott meme where Pam is telling him not to date his mom. Except in this case, the fans are saying "Stop screwing up the lore!" and Disney writers go "...Now I'm just going to screw it up even harder!"
Y’all. This wasn’t THE rematch of the century. They still have yet to have that fight, please calm TF down, the amount of hate boners you guys have is enough to make a furry convention blush
I WORKED on the prequels. I was inside the circle, hanging out with the actors, Lucas and MacCallum. The hate for those films and certain characters and actors was well known within that circle and all this happened in the days before social media, twitter and Disney. Simon Pegg was probably the leading voice of hate for the prequels at that time.
People misunderstood what Lucas's intention was with the prequels. It was supposed to be a film from the 20' and 30's: clunky dialogue, big matte paintings, ben hur, Cleopatra moments, a soap opera with many players... People just wanted the ones from the 70's again and the 'save the cat' script formula.
Prove it
The prequels simply were not good movies.
Legitimately impressive, the amount of details you think of and address for these
There is a great charisma behind your voice and narration. I subscribed to your channel after following up on a ST Discovery vid I happened on....simply brilliant.
Leia says she has "images, really, feelings. She was kind, but sad". These could have easily been sensations or images passed to her while still in the womb by the Force. I'm not sure it's even a plot hole.
Yes this is what I always thought.
Yes!
In a nutshell the crazies are so adamant that diversity and equality must be forced onto everyone that they’ve forgotten what makes television good.
You know an actual believable plot, good characters and not trying to make beloved characters look bad because they’re not in the right demographic.
That’s exactly it in a nutshell
I wonder how many shows will come out and be absolutely torn to shreds by fans before they realize that this woke crap isn't the ticket. I mean they called everyone racist for not liking Moses but did anyone say a single thing about Carl Weathers or Giancarlo Esposito in The Mandalorian, Sam Jackson in the prequels, Billy Dee in the OT? NO! Because we aren't racist, we just hate shitty characters and bad actors
Only people complaining about diversity are racist pieces if shit, don’t breed dude, we don’t need racist kids like you running around
It's so funny how only white men we see in this show were casted by George Lucas 20 years ago and not Disney...
Given that Netflix just put out a memo saying woke SJW activists should probably not work for them, I'd recommend not giving Disney any more of your money and see what happens.
Why would the empire raid a planet instead of subjugating it? They'd get more resources from getting a cut of what they produce. They're not vikings, they're supposed to be an empire.
"I sense something, A presence I've not felt since...9 years."
Vader should've only been a rumor, never seen, but an obvious threat to the galaxy and beyond.
This was so well done. I really appreciate the insight into filmography, and overall you really put into words the groaning I felt when disappointed throughout these three episodes. It really is a shame :(
A youngling named Katheen Kennedy, who was a pupil of Lucasfilm before she turned to EVIL. She helped the Disney Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. She betrayed and murdered the True Magic of the Force.
The ANH dialogue now only makes sense if Vader was still talking about Mustafar - which is conversation that they would have had, when they met... So it's like he's just saved the conversation he wanted to have 9 years earlier for that moment. Like when you think of a cutting retort, but the person has already left the room.
EDIT: OK, so there are people who apparently don't understand subtext is a thing in dialogue.
1. Obi-Wan has ALREADY told the audience in ANH, Darth Vader was 'a young Jedi' who was 'a pupil of mine, until he turned to evil'.
2. When I left you... is not literally 'walked away from', it's talking about leaving behind THE JEDI to use THE DARK SIDE, and so when he meets Obi-Wan he has a philosophical point; under the Jedi, as your pupil, I was a 'learner' i.e. naive, but NOW, with THE DARK SIDE, he has surpassed Obi-Wan.
3. If you watch THE PREQUELS again, you'll notice how Anakin says that Obi-Wan is holding him back, and jealous, and he wants more POWER.
4. He also tells Obi-Wan he does not fear the DARK SIDE.
5. If Obi-Wan and Vader meet between ROTS and ANH, Sidious is now HIS MASTER, and so it's dumb for him to compare himself to Obi-Wan AS THE ROLES REVERSED, when he has ALREADY met Obi-Wan with Sidious as his master.
6. There's no 'circle to complete', if they already met when Vader was a DARK SIDE Force user, because there's no sense of CLOSURE from their PREVIOUS duel on Mustafar.
7. In THE PREQUELS, Anakin is clearly shown as being supremely arrogant, and later a hateful man, so there is NO WAY, he would ever call himself "A LEARNER" using the DARK SIDE 10 YEARS AFTER he left Obi-Wan. "Learner" must refer to his naivety as merely a Jedi apprentice of Obi-Wan, without knowing THE POWER of the dark side. This is a conversation about whether LIGHT or DARK is the better.
8. Yoda fucking tells us the DARK SIDE is QUICKER, so 10 years would be ample time - and practically the same amount of time Anakin had as a Jedi.
9. Vader would be too proud to state that he lost the previous duel on Mustafar. If they had met once or twice in the intervening years, it would be an entirely different conversation in ANH.
@@Ben-pd2bx nope it still doesn't work, Vader just looks sorry as hell coming for his THIRD salty runback talking about "when I left you" you mean when you got your ass beat? "I was but the learner" STILL? Bro Palpatine holding out on you that much? It's lame
@@Ben-pd2bx it makes no difference whether they meet again or not, whether Obi Wan schools Vader or not. It's all at total odds with Vaders line "The circle is now complete, when i left you i was but the learner.......". It's impossible to see Vader as a "Learner" in Kenobi and the use of the metaphor "the circle is now complete" can only mean the meeting in ANH is the first meeting after Vader left Obi Wan when he actually was the "Learner".
@@stennlake I am super critical of the show, but I don’t see it that way.
The line in ANH just implies Vader got beat in their last meeting (whenever that may have been.)
Obviously they’re going to have another fight and Obi-Wan is going to win, and Vader will have be referring to that.
Saying “I was but the learner” does not HAVE to refer to having been a Padawan.
It just means Vader had some emotional growth and mental realizations between the last time they fight and ANH.
Bringing this up as a major criticism is being way way too picky and the critics are blinded by their head cannon
@@IronPsyde exactly. The way he jumps in and takes out his anger on Kenobi isn't the calm Fury he has in the OT. He has the problem that the ST writers tried with Kylo. He's still lashing out instead of focusing his anger/hatred.
If Kenobi plays it that way then it could all work out. We're still on EP 3 so it's still way too early to make these "the show sucks" kind of judgements
Only way this show works is if they accidentally messed up and put the "Multiverse/Different Timelines" thing from Marvel into Star Wars. If you think for a second George Lucas pictured Kenobi and Vader battling again multiple times between Episodes VI and IV, you're just trying to "wish" it real. "Disney owns Star Wars now, not Lucas, they can interpret it anyway they like" - yeah, no kidding ... doesn't mean we have to like it. I'm not going to apologize for being passionate about the characters and story Lucas created and being upset when they screw with them/it. Every time they mangle something or someone from the OT or Prequels I cannot help but think about KK's interview when Disney first bought Star Wars, where she talked about how much they were going to stick to George Lucas' vision as closely as they could. Nope. Oh well.
i realised this a little later after watching 3rd ep.
right off the back from the 1st episode of kenobi; bale just compromised house organa. he did what reva hoped for and contacted kenobi for help.
revealed he knew where to reach kenobi and kept it secret from the empire. house organa should have been destroyed as a result following episode 2 as enemies to the empire and traitors
Organa and his family would have been immediately deleted.
Vader & Obiwan could never have met like this......this is not the star wars you are looking for.....move along.
Kenobi ... can't quite do it show. Master Jedi that has less than a padawans skill set. Kenobi is getting the Ruin Johnson treatment.
They whole 3 eps are a pile of steaming dog 🐕💩
@Tim Burm1 lol especially the fact that he’s hiding on his own damn home planet
Reva doesn't catch Leia at the end, Leia runs off.. and as we've established in the previous 2 episodes, that 10 year old is almost impossible to chase down in a foot race. Guessing she will get away.
You have the BEST analyzes HANDS DOWN, Smart man you are. Subbed.
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Yes, it's a cop show. Obi-Wan is throwing punches, protecting a young girl, running away from cops, two of which actually say 'step out of the vehicle'.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of fans suddenly cried out in terror, and were branded as 'racists.' I fear something terrible has happened.
The feeling of being called racist towards someone of your own race is this indescribable level of irony
I mean from what I saw the only people getting called racists were the ones using actual racial slurs against the actress who plays reva soooooo meh
I mean there were people in her dms using actual racial slurs and commenters on posts saying things like “she let too much ghetto into her performance” so the idea that there’s a good amount of racism in the fandom is fair.
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@Tim Burm1 Mate, please use some commas and full stops in your writing. It makes it hard to read when it's just endless text with no grammar
haahaha, the last minute is such a heartfelt conclusion. love it. you're right, we deserve so much better. thanks for the video.
Thank you for this video everything u said is exactly what we feel 💕
These videos are great! LOL reminds me of the time my family went to McDonalds in 1980 after watching the Empire Strikes Back in the theater, and I found myself trying to explain to my mother why Greedo wasn't in that one.. LOL great video. "decapitating gingers" is now a favorite phrase, a guaranteed laugh
In the OT, Vader says, "Obi-Wan has taught you well", perhaps thinking that Luke was a padawan to Obi-Wan his whole life (and not knowing that he was also mentored by Yoda).
But here, in this fan film TV show, Vader knows that Obi-Wan was a coward, idiot and weak in the Force, so it's weird he comes to that conclusion. I'm fairly confident now that Kennedy/LF has made this show intentionally about sad Obi-Wan, and about racism against Moses and gaslighting articles, in order to legitimise her shitty sequels as being in the same conversation.
I think they are just looking for attention more often then not most articles aren’t about the shows but rather a controversy or Disney patting themselves on the back for adding something “ground breaking”
@@luisvalle81 Seriously, if you look up Moses, there are like 50 articles about the mean mean fans and their racism. This was the entire point of the show, they knew it was going to be bad and started the racist crap weeks beforehand.
Its still on ep3. Maybe Obi will fully connect with the force again. Just wait for what theyll bring in next
@@Ben-pd2bx He comments, "Obi-Wan has taught you well" in ESB and ROTJ, no?
He was taught by Obi-Wan from 10 years old, and that was the custom of the Jedi, that Anakin knew. It would be weird if he assumed Luke had not been trained from a young age.
In ROTJ, he says, 'Obi-Wan once thought as you do', implying that Luke has the same mindset about the Force, light & dark. Evidently, things that Luke says or does reminds him of Obi-Wan - or he makes those assumptions, based on seeing Obi-Wan on the Death Star when Luke was there, knowing Obi-Wan is one of the few Jedi that would have been around to train Luke.
@@luisvalle81 Consider that McGregor has been at great pains to say perception changed on the prequels because the 'fans we made it for, now have a voice' (having grown up).
I'd say this is all part of the KK and story group revisionism on the sequels. Of course this is BS, because it was mainly the media attacking the prequels, and mainly the media in the Disney era attacking fans.
a. Obi-Wan is a success, and then the conversation can be, 'Hmm, maybe Jake Skywalker was fucking amazing...?'
b. It dies on its ass, and LF can say, 'Well, it's the racists and man-babies again, amirite? Just can't please them. Fucking stupid fans. Even when we have McGregor back...'
c. 'Oh look... the hate for the sequels is just like this hate for prequels stuff. We just need to make NEW STAR WARS, and put the "legacy" in the trash compactor.'
It could be a very sophisticated campaign to face save. Pity the "content" isn't as sophisticated...
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Thankful for these videos because I was worried I was the only one with these issues
Didn't Vader read Luke's thoughts in ROTJ to discover that Leia was his daughter?
And it's also used by several jedi in the clone wars series
Vader read Luke's mind and found out he had a twin sister..if Vader knew it was Leia I doubt. .but he definitely knew that he had a daughter who was strong with the force..best wishes to you my friend
Well, no. He read Luke's emotions, and thats well established in Star Wars. Vader deduced that Luke, not bring afraid of him or the Emperor, was afraid for someone else. It was Luke's feelings that betrayed his sister over to Vader
That may be the specific wording, may not. Regardless, thr warning given to Luke by Yoda and Obi-Wan is that his feelings were going to cause him problems. Not his thoughts. It's been that way since Empire Strikes Back, and has remained that way until Disney
@emmy lite just looked. He says feelings, not thoughts.
They had so much to work with. Maul's around at this time too. they just wasted all the potential this show had from the get go, somehow this is worse than boba fett and I REALLY didn't think it would get worse.
You’re an idiot and your opinion is stupid, don’t breed, we don’t need stupid kids running around who think like you….
Maul can't show up in this show because Maul doesn't meet Kenobi again until his fight against him in rebels.
Eh still not worse than boba fett. That was hilariously bad
No way is this worse than BoBF for me. Yeah Kenobi isn't the guy we remember him to be, but at least that makes sense. And I will be shocked if he doesn't end up being more like we knew him from the original 6 films by the end of this thing.
All the characters in Kenobi have fairly clear motivations aside from Reva (which will be explained by the time the series ends) where as far as I can tell, Boba had no real motivation for anything he did in BoBF. Oh yes, he's a changed man because his time with the Tuskens, so he wants to take over a crime syndicate & lead the other crime families... except he just doesn't want to do any crimes or hurt anyone. Yeah, no. That was weak. This show is 100% better- bigger budget, better plot, better acting, more believable character motivations, no horrible neon scooters.
Edit- also just to iterate on what the other person said, but when Maul & Kenobi finally meet again is much further down the timeline than when this show takes place. Rebels isn't for another 5 or more years, and we see in that show that Kenobi looks the way he does in the OT when they meet. Anyone complaining saying "ohhh, Ben & Vader meeting in this show breaks canon" would be crying the same thing, just replace Vader with Maul. Some people just can't be happy with anything.
It’s Episode 3, not 17
Your comments about using narrow corridors and enclosed spaces to make Vader seem more intimidating are almost correct, but you forgot one critical element:
This version of Vader has a force ability to teleport to any place on the planet that is just off camera, then menacingly step into sight of the camera and cut off any hope of retreat while walking excruciatingly slowly because his victim has lost all hope of escape.
I think he learned this technique from Jason Voorhees.
Jason was very intimidating.
Honestly, I wouldn't have been surprised if this Vader had traded in his lightsaber for a machete.
I'm glad you used good star wars music as the background music.
I literally don’t think it’s bad…it’s not perfect, but I can still enjoy it…good for me I guess, wish all you guys could enjoy it too
I feel the same, I like it for what it is, and I try to except that the storytelling aint in my hands and I don't need to complain about everything that are not to my liking. And I must say, altough I am a grown up I still get the shiver when I see Vader 😬
i thought obi wan was removing the barrier in order to allow him to steer the vehicle through.. but then he just left the vehicle behind and it pans out showing how dumb he is LOL. then he surrenders to 3 regular storm troopers despite dispatching a handful of them with ease literally moments before
and don't even get me started on kenobi escaping vader because of a wall of fire that was demonstrated seconds earlier to be easily extinguished by the force yet Vader inexplicably chooses instead to stand by and watch as kenobi is dragged away. this is S8 game of thrones level of terrible
Shut up, he surrendered to the storm troopers because leia wasn’t behind him, as you could see before he moved her behind him when he fought them first but they were straight on and he didn’t know how many or who was in the car.
@@joshuawillman8769 chill dude! Just admit this show is terrible
@Jack Satterfield Nope Don't even. It's just crappy writing. The whole point was to make a woman save a wimpy obi again.
I though about that scene exactly as you.
It was so stupid and made no sense.
his location even more since hes already caught by imperials. Maybe Vader wants to track them down to lead to other jedis. But they got leia anyway, so theyre goin nowhere
22:11 In fairness, I would say that that is less a question of "don't give us the 'rematch of the century' or give it your complete attention" and more "if you're cutting away, have something interesting to cut to".
Every Vader fight in the OT (vs Obiwan on the Death Star, vs Luke on Bespin, vs Luke on the second Death Star) was interrupted, too (the others' attempts to get back to the Falcon, Lando and Co. escaping custody, the ground battle on Endor and the space battle against the Imperial fleet). But they were interrupted by events of equal weight and gravitas, events that deserved to be shown in concurrance with the Vader fight of the moment.
On the Death Star, their whole mission was to disable the tractor beam, then to rescue Leia and escape. Obiwan's part becomes stalling for time to give our heroes an out, so we need to see them make progress while he fights.
Luke's whole mission going to Bespin is to rescue his friends, but this is meant to be a mistake on his part, an example of why he wasn't ready to fight Vader. So showing that his friends could escape on their own needed to happen while he was fighting (and losing to) Vader.
And in RotJ, the battle is narratively the Final Battle against the Empire. Yes, logistically, there would be (and in the EU, was) much more to do, but this is the leader of the Empire and their most destructive weapon. All cards are figuratively on the table and the Rebels have to win every battle. It is not enough to defeat Vader and the Emperor, the other battles that interrupt the Vader fight here are worthy to do so.
In the meantime, we can only judge the interruptions to this episode's Vader fight by how much of a threat Space Moses is and she isn't. She's been shown to be incompetent and unhinged. Not to mention that we're meant to buy that Baby Leia is the fastest 10 year old ever, able to flee grown men twice as tall for more than three seconds. These interruptions just aren't worth the time of day.
So I can see these "writers" thinking they can cut away from Obiwan vs Vader here, while not understanding why other such example work and their attempt wouldn't.
Great analysis, I hope your talents apply to our galaxy as well
I don't know why they made a Kenobi series with no lightsaber fights or Star Wars music. Why is there no Vader theme?
Because Disney doesn’t want to pay anymore royalties to George.
@@crazyralph6386 George doesn't own the music anymore and they even hired John Williams. Plus they used all the themes in the movies and Mandalorian.
I’m so glad we have updated this sci fi fantasy series to be more representative of today’s society.
You have hit everything on the nail with this video
Did you gain 2k followers in as many weeks?
If so, good on you my friend. You guys deserve it.
I can't wait to watch you channel blow up!
remember that lightsaber battle I beat you in one handed, yea me either
Overall a highly articulate though sometimes snooty review that captures the many egregious problems
Let's face the facts
1) all continuity error are absolutely intentional because #KathleenKennedy hates the original #StarWars and all her efforts have been intended to destroy it
2) the correctly #SJW writers and directors readily explain the bad scripts, actors and movie production. They are talentless and mostly undeserving of the the privilege of contributing to this once great franchise
3) one can easily see how the arc of #ObiWan follows Han and the great #Luke's fate to be cast aside like trash to make way for #KathleenKennedy's #TheForceIsFemale bludgeoning of the original #StarWarsUniverse
Last, as is common in the #WokeAge any criticism is immediately dismissed as misogynistic, homophonic or racist. But the destruction is now near complete #Kenobi
Snootiness is kind of an occupational hazard. With this accent, my sincerest compliments sound sarcastic.
@@TheLittlePlatoon i like it, totally befitting when reviewing the mess that Star Wars has become.
"homophonic"?
@@msp1133 Disney is racist towards sound but the true fans like Platoon will not give up on the sound lmao
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 Star Wars is dead to real fans if it has a melody supported by other instruments playing the same or a similar part!
by far the best video i've seen on this subject
I love your final ideas for what this show couldve been. Make Vader a legend of terror that's always behind Kenobi or around Kenobi
I respectfully disagree with most things you say. The show is only 3 episodes in. You gotta chill till the series is over
It also looks like your channel is just hating on Disney Star Wars correct me if I’m wrong for making the assumption
He really shouldn’t make fun of powerful corporations
They has the perfect cast at the appropriate ages and they still messed up.
Vader: I am what you made me!
Obi Wan: I could have sworn I made you
a lot shorter.
"Only a master of evil, Darth"
God I hate this dialogue so fucking much, the only thing Disney can do is retcon this shit and then get their hand out of Star Wars.