PERFECT 20 TURNS Eltharion (Yvresse) - 2 Kingdom Domination
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00:00 Intro
00:35 Ulthuan Setup
00:51 Critical Tip 1: Ordertide Borders
01:51 Turn 1- Occupy and Keep Yvresse
02:57 Critical Tip 2: Eltharion’s Movement
03:46 Swap FIRE MAGE
04:30 Difficult Fight 1
06:14 Athel Loren Prison
06:37 Recruit, Level, Construct
07:04 Turn 2 - Battle for Tralinia
08:26 Turn 3 - Battle for Galbaraz
09:23 Beastmen Diplomacy
10:20 Turn 4 - Force March Eltharion
11:15 Turn 5 - Critical Tip 3: Force March Mage!
12:10 End Turn Mage Defence
13:20 End Turn Eltharion Defence
14:00 Turn 6 - Carin Thel Occupation
15:10 Curtail southern Greenskins
15:40 Turn 7 - Keep Marching!
16:15 End Turn Mage Defence
16:40 Turn 8 - Quest Loot and Shrine
19:00 Turn 9 - Conquer Yvresse!
20:10 Turn 10 - Prepare the War!
21:55 Turn 11 - Counter Wurzaag & Malegor
23:40 Turn 12 - Saphey offensive
24:35 End Turn - Malegor Ambush Retreat
25:05 Turn 13 - Defend Gronti Mingol
26:39 Turn 14 - Queek’s Assault and Lightning Counter
28:40 Turn 15 - Saphery & Malegor Wiped!
29:17 Turn 16 - March on Scarbrand
29:48 Turn 17 - Prepare for N’kari!
31:04 Turn 18 - Fortress Borders / Diplomatic Fronts
31:36 Turn 21 - Overview and Next Steps
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That was very impressive, it's complex enough that I'll probably need this video playing along side my campaign
I feel pretty confident, even just the 3 Key things and the rundown of the geopoltiics might help several hours of ball ache. This was one of the trickiest to write, but the setup is consistent. Good luck! If you can get past these first 20 turns you'll have enough wealth to sport 3 armies and you'll feel in control. Hang in there!
It’s insane how you are just one of the “smaller” creators on this scene. 100% destined for greatness !
Did a “slower” version of this on H/H and it worked great! Obviously not as settled in by t20, but I’d imagine a lot less stressful, and requiring alot less skill as well!
Appreciate the kind words. This is a difficult campaign to balance so props to anyone who pulls it off, on any difficulty.
Well done! Thanks for watching mate!
Another VERY well done tutorial. Thank you for putting all of your time and effort into these vids. I keep looking forward to your long videos as they are packed with tons of information and guidelines.
What’s the cash sign by your name mean?
@@Pyromaniac77777 it means he has donated 10$ to Elven plot armour.
Hey thanks so much! Appreciate the help and that it brought some value. Cheers!
thank you so much for the content you create! those 20 turn guides help a lot and i imagine they take forever to make. cheers, keep up the great work
Some are easy to craft but hard to design to be consistent. This start is stretched so thin it was just hard to make work, but ultimately it's consistent until the deadly stages are done! Cheers!
I think you've gotta be one of the most insightful Warhammer streamers I've watched, great video ! Thanks for the tips :)
Thanks for the comment! Hope to see you on the next one!
Worth saying that a recent update has removed tyrion and alarielle's aversion to saphery so they will usually not declare war on them they will not get defensive pacts but they will not be outright hostile either.
amazing tutorial as always bro, loved it ❤️🙌🏻
Thanks man! Love that Centurion pic!
@@ElvenPlotArmour appreciate it bro ✌🏻
Awesome guide as usual man. Some tough battles at the start but all very doable
The initial threats are dialed down a bit from this (early access version) but other players have found new challenges arising as a result.
Will give this chad an update in due time!
Great, I was just thinking about playing Eltharion today.
Choosing to go for just 1 Kingdom isn't too tricky, but if you can balance the 2 through the first 20 turns, you can Richard I and use the island as a taxbase to fund your crusades and never visit :)
Bretonnia has always been one of my favorite factions, but I’m starting to consider trying out the high elves, particularly yvrese.
Brettonia are awesome and very powerful, far more than most realise. There's unique power to using them and I look forward to covering them! Yvresse would likely appeal to you as it really is a "crusade" style game. You can even abandon Yvresse and setout on a full blown campaign or play Richard I and just use your kingdom as as tax farm that you don't pay any attention to :)
Followed your Imrik guide and will give Eltharion a try with this one! Thanks you!
Good luck mate! Let us know if it's easier now we don't have settlement battles every time!
@@ElvenPlotArmour No settlement battles are easier, but there are initial unit changes that make the economy different. Wurrzag came at me with 2 armies, but I was able to fend off 1 and am trying to save Galbaraz. But then I've also been attacked by Skardbrand right as I take Agrul Migdhal. It's pretty rough hahaha
Also didn't get the + move trait for levelling up away from your capital so it took me an extra turn to get agrul migdhal
Great guide as always.
Tough but rewarding. Cheers!
Very good and informative video! :)
Thanks mate!
Another ridiculously good guide.
Thanks champion!
Thank a lot for the video.
Thanks mate!
I have no idea why, but in my own Eltharion campaign, almost every evil-aligned faction with some strength in their numbers has declared war on me. It's insane. I thought the Nakari, Malagor and Wurzhag war decs were a lot, but then Morathi, Ikit Claw, Belakor, Tretch and some other random factions decided to declare war in a span of 10 turns. I'm on turn 50-ish and I have so many war decs. The Mist of Yvresse actually comes in really handy though. It's saved me from so many enemy invasions by causing a steady bit of attrition each turn.
Props to you for holding out on higher difficulties though! As always, the guide was super helpful.
Attrition is finally an excellent weapon in this game! By the way, well done. You're campaign seems like a true test that you're smashing.
I think keeping small and contained as best as possible till you can wall things up in a defensible region is the best play, but we all know it doesn't always work out like that haha!
@@ElvenPlotArmour I was actually suprised with how well I was doing. When Wurzag and Malagor came knocking, I thought I was done for. But after beating their first 2 armies with just 4 archers and a buncha spearmen, it was pretty much uphill from there. Mind you I'm just playing on Normal difficulty, but I still feel kinda proud with how I was able to utilize strats and stuff I learned from vids like yours to come out on top. So I'm pretty hyped when a vid of yours drops!
I know you were worried about video length but it would be great to have the concise/edited version (20-25 mins) as well as the longer more let’s play version (2 hours or so). Hopefully it’s not too much work as you need it for the content
It’s interesting that your advice is basically my sisters’ campaign strategy. Max movement and quartermaster etc and just aggressively defend.
Absolutely need to make Eltharion a swift, efficient crusader!
great guide.
Thanks for the support!
Great video.
Thanks champion!
I won’t be a champion until I can figure out kiting with the mage and formations lol, but fantastic guide man. Earned my sub. Hope you blow up. Legend needs some competition
@@saddad456 Appreciate the sub. Cheers!
on a side note i might reccomend a lore of metal lord for early game searing bombardment i found super useful
That first fight is really though on very hard. Damn gobbo's refuse to rout
Yeah, it's a tough one. On Normal you can just run out to them, but on VH it's tough.
Chasing them off the map is really helpful. This is one of the campaigns that sees the most challenge increase on higher difficulties! Taking them out here is really helpful and will pay off. Feel free to share how you did it!
@@ElvenPlotArmour did some testruns today. The fight is a 50/50 fight imho. So, i looked for something more reliable. What i found out is that if you do not replace the lord straight away and you wait in ambush stance they will attack you on the 2nd turn. This fight can even be autoresolved on legendary. The only thing is it will slow your progress on ulthuan by 1 turn. But doing it this way you dont have to rely on a battle that is 50/50 if you win. Losing the battle will have detrimental effect on your first few turns.
Strategically you are among the most sound Total War contributors. While you do not get your due yet I have no doubt you will. Keep it up.
Really appreciate mate. The grind is hard and real in a niche game like this where exposure is very hard. Thanks for the support!
I have to say it wasn't easy to pull this off on hardest difficulties, but man it makes so much more fun when you play on brink of extinction
It seems I'm speaking with a fellow player who loves the rush of near destruction ;)
You make that first fight look so easy, third attempt. I can never get one unit to follow me, the whole army joins them
Hard battle, no matter which way you cut it brother. If it's too painful you can always flip the difficulty in options, auto resolve and flip back.
@@ElvenPlotArmour I did it shortly after posting this. I missed the cage effect by like 2 seconds though rip.
@@getsomeboy321 @Renegade Randall Nice work! Victory is enough, forget the cage haha
Would love to see a compilation of the mistakes and redos that happen while figuring out these 'perfect' starts
Some come about easily and quickly. Others, like this one are a headache and I'm glad to be done with them haha. Luckily Eltharion has been greatly buffed with his starting armies to make him better!
cant wait for imrik guide.
Imrik WH3 right here mate: czcams.com/video/hwN2RuA5X4Q/video.html
Also have a guide here (WH2 but still relevant) to explain his dragons if that's of any interest: czcams.com/video/gLxBkJRY0-k/video.html
Can we see one for Malekith now that you feel taking the coast is a higher priority at the start? Love your recent vids mate, thank you!
A few people have requested that one. Done.
Thank you for great guide! Also I love nice editing - fast cuts, no bullsh!t.
I have a unorthodox question. If I am using balanced armies (so no 19 archers, no cheesing spellcasters) is it possible to even survive in a badlands? I'm playing hard difficulty.
In WH3 you NEED melee infantry, unlike WH2. You simply don't have enough ammo to not need to get into melee at some point. In a 20 unit stack, not having at least 4 melee units in the early/mid game is inefficient. As Eltharion, every 3 archers should have at least 1 spearmen (remember his buffs) with hero support where possible. My channel's theme is typically showing you can have fun/balanced/no cheese/no spam gameplay and still dominate on legendary. Plenty of streams using melee infantry and cav in WH2 on Legendary too. Hope there's something to enjoy there! :)
I would love to see one about tyrion please!!!
Noted and will definitely get there. I do have a long steam of it and point out any imprefections. Will get a short form version out at some point :)
nice video
Cheers for the support!
I noticed they took out yvresse's free arcane phoenix in his starting army. I don't think that was necessary considering they also nerfed his instant-recruitment of knights of tor gaval. Really they just made this start absurdly difficult when yvresse could really use those buffs.
The loss of the phoenix makes me sad - I'd rather he lose his other valuable units!
As one of the many who requested this, appreciate it, time to fire up my own legendary campaign right now in fact! Question: When should we get elven scholar for the research, or should we ever? I keep on seeing it in your own personal ads.
Do it not for the research rate IMO they already research crazy fast
@@ogpapafan8552 Yeah, I never worry about it, Quartermaster, Lightning Strike or Healing are all better. The method from the ad was from a demonstration on how to cheese the research. I naturally don't do it but I try to cover all playstyles. You essentially hire a lord already at rank 13 (I think), get +15% research + income buff then disband. High Elves don't need it but if you want to snowball it you can do it. Truth is there isn't enough research to warrant going through this to get everything. Go with the aforementioned skills above, whichever is your style :)
@@ElvenPlotArmour wait, the research works even after disbanding????
@@michaelyang838 yes, and so does the 1% from industry from dedicating to vaul and the %trade goods from the blue line
Hello thanks for that huge and great guide. For the first fight on yvresse even on normal difficulty, the auto resolve make us loose, do you advise to recrut a pair or archer before the fight if i can't do it or keep trying ?
Thanks in advance and can't see your other vids !
Thanks mate. You can always quickly flip the difficulty to easy, I think that's a win on auto resolve. The other recommendation is to ensure you have square formations. Run through this and try the corner start (czcams.com/video/dKf_nH-Se5s/video.html). Let me know how you go!
@@ElvenPlotArmour Thansk for ytour answer, i had to put it temporaly on easy easy, but it win on auto resolve like this.
Again, thnks for all, and see ya in the next vids ! :)
Well a little update, for now i'm on rail on this campaign, a bit low on exp since i auto resolve some and failed to capture some lord. But let's keep going and improving (i'm just after the quest battle ^^)
honestly i retried this tactic 7 times and it only worked once
1 somehow clan skyre would come to stormhenge and grief me just sacking my stuff or taking it over spreading me even thinner
2 same with sartossa, but they also kill my ally to the west and ally with the skaven to grief me
3 I'm always in the red and more often than not go bankrupt and die from attrition, Just one fight not going as planned is enough to ruin everything, one bad surprise and I can lose three settlements including my main one
4 clan mors or the bad moons just spread across the badlands in two fronts with multiple armies that i can't defend against as if I go after one they hit a a base I'm far away from
5 any potential ally i could have in the border princes, repanse or khemri get killed by manfred, ironbrow is busy fighting kroq gar, he usually wins but doesn't really come north to help with anything as he's also fighting tzeentch after he's done he so ignores me.
6 The one time I succeeded was because by some chance skarbrand was fighting wurzag and the beastmen and didn't go after me at all
Man it really sucks to hear people having a rough time with these campaigns. This was the early access version of the game so it does need an update. the best advise I can give is to get those fortress capitals then hold it down to get T3 walls up. After that point you'll have some solid traits on Eltharion from fighting in the Darklands. In Ulthuan you can now make the army there far smaller thanks to not having to fight settlement battles (changed since the original release)
@@ElvenPlotArmour The ulthuan part works rather ell...most of the time? Once Nkari ignored cothique and went for me but that was only once usually i'm able to get the tower of hoeth no prob but skaven also come to ulthuan :( at least keeping their legendary lords in jail works well
@@callisto1234 Possibly the most underrated power is to take away their legendary lord!
@@ElvenPlotArmour after I survive turn 20 though I find things take a turn for the complex...
depending on how things go, i might have to fight on the, south east, north and west at the same time if my allies are too weak
I would want o help them but i can't send cash since I never have enough for myself, trying to transition into higher tier units is extremely expensive. I do make a lot of cash from fighting though but im also getting sacked and lose settlements from all sides.
By the time i stabilize everything (when i don't get wiped out and my settlements get taken by my friends or foes) im still using basic archers and spearmen...but my enemies already have late game units... I actually never got to use the knights of tor gaval, and they lok so cool :(
@@callisto1234 The biggest tip I can give is get mage towers up to T4 and get Fire Mages on Sun Dragons and Lore Masters. Get levels on that Noble with Eltharion and your heroes will do a lot of your heavy lifting for you. T3 Walls are key so you can raise a lord and some archers to take on a much stronger force.
You don't really need to tech up to higher units as HE in a hurry. 5 Silverin Guard, 11 Archers and some support heroes/cav will handle the majority of threats until you face bulk armour.
Sisters of Averlorn to replace the archers is the answer to this. Good luck!
i did everything you did and on the same difficulties but the savage orcs were waiting for me close to galbaraz on my way to stormhenge. I killed them and when I got close enough to smell stormhenge but couldnt take it and skarbrand pulled up and razed it for me. he also had gor gazan so idk what he was on
This was an older build of the game so it'll need an update at some point. Once you get Galbaraz consider getting a noble and landing that sweet replenishiment. There's a tonne of excellent lords to defeat there with Eltharion so getting T3 walls on your minor settlements needs to be a priority, but crushing enemies that get too close will give you excellent loot, captives and power up Eltharion's army like nothing else.
I think the hardest part is when everyone thinks your land is free real estate!! I played nearly every major TW Game, but Warhammer is way harder in my opinion.
Honestly, WH3 has moments of being more difficult but overall I feel the WH series is far more forgiving than some older entries. That said, there aren't any "easy mode" campaigns in WH3 like there were in WH1 and 2 or an easy faction like Rome in R2 that allows you to experiment at your own pace.
That said, the depth and possibilities in TWWH really are amazing and if you can stick with it, it's certainly a game that stays with you!
@@ElvenPlotArmour I think the battles are the thing which are so hard for me. In R2, Napoleon or Shogun2 I was quite confident to win against a superior force, now I basically auto resolve most battles.
Great detailed and concise guide! Question though, should I militarily ally with Tyrion if I want a confed? I've heard somewhere that MA's don't negatively affect confeds anymore?
Thanks mate, you are *absolutely* correct that you should at very least defensive ally, as this will pull Tyrion into all your wars and create "heat" on him. Since you're likely to be aggressive as Yvresse a Military Alliance will be the way to go. High Elf outposts also generate influence which can be used to every few turns (let it cool down and lower the cost over a few turns). Aim to get Alarielle first and send an agent up to discover alith anar. If he's in a bad way, throw him a bunch of gifts so he can keep himself alive and some extra inf to get over 150. Hopefully you'll get him!
Military Alliances, so far, have only do good things for my confederations in WH3. You need them to feel as threatened as possible and this also helps with that.
@@ElvenPlotArmour Awesome, thank you for the reply! I'm actually way closer having Tyrion confed than Alarielle, she's a bit strong this run.
How would you judge the Yvresse campaign difficulty compared to others? I tried others and had some issues while this one almost broke me. It seems like every move counts, which is tough.
This campaign is still on the harder end, but namely managing both starts with such limited funds is the challenge. This was by far one of the toughest guides to write. But the key parts are up to Turn 5, luring that army out and ensuring you can move and react as Eltharion.
Managing both kingdoms is incredibly difficult and says nothing wrong if you're having trouble!
So I did secure Yvresse and had a good start at Badlands at some point but then N'Kari invaded me together with Belakor and his Norsca ally. Bad luck rng
Hey sorry to hear mate, this video came out during early access so a lot has changed. The battles aren't all sieges which is nice but it does make defending much harder. I'll remake this soon!
I've played through the first 10 to 20 turns a quite a few times now. The Yvresse mage is way better, rather it was fire but I can handle celestial - also has a nice special trait for better cooldown on top of a random trait. Honestly, we didn't get any trait, now we get two :)
N'Kari is the real problem with the start now as it's a bit more random what it gets up to. I've been war decced by him as early as turn 8 with my Yvresse army just pushing up to Saphery, it's quite a problem.
One thing I strongly recommend is getting a second arch mage at Yvresse with administrator and recruit some extra troops which way just about deter the pink one for a while. An early defensive alliance with Avelorn is a double edged sword as it makes it more likely that you get dragged into a war on your northern border.
@@FasterThanJesus Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to redoing this again at some point and will consider all of this!
@@ElvenPlotArmour I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
Since the upgrad to the starting army, my general strategy in Yvresse is this
1. Win first battle and push on to Tralina (I play on V hard,/v hard) and take that.
Recruit administrator, best one available
2. Skull crag always pushes troops to Yvresse, your new arch mage is close enough to take them with support from the main army which should be able to reach them. Force march to support if not
3. Stealth your main force to the bridge before Elesai and dangle your new lord as a carot - they always seem to bite
4. Seige Elesali - they send another force to attack - this is a tough battle, probably hardest of this starting approach - winnable and you can get Elasali without doubling back
5. Take Elesali - Should be able to finish Skull Crag and push to Saphery by turn 8. Take the administrator back to Yvresse and get recruiting whatever you can afford if N'Kari finishes off Cothique quickly
Is there a reason why you use gifts instead of influence to gain favor with the beastmen, like is there a hidden benefit to gift vs. using the court ? ( I noticed you were strapped for cash but swimming in influence, but still used gifts. )
Also ( a bit unrelated, but I think you stopped answering questions to older vids ) : what do nobles gain from being on foot ( as a line holder) vs on an eagle ? When I check out the stat changes it’s mostly just increases when on an eagle mount ? Are there some hidden buffs gained when on foot ?
Thanks !
Gifts are appealing if they're cheap to use. Remember, influence does increase with sequential uses and/or if the party is opposed to what you're trying to impress on them. Given influence can be used for interactions or better noble skills it's best not to waste it and balance with cheap gifts (say under 1000).
Nobles on foot provide a solid lineholder and protect your weaker elves who can struggle to deal damage back against certain enemies. Enemy heroes will beat you up and are hard to land arrows on. A noble guards the frontline and checks these units. Only against artillery heavy armies do I ever mount them. They plug a whole in the roster's weakness when on foot wheras it's easy just to hire a phoenix or dragon to do the same thing.
I thought I answered this in another vid, but all good :) Appreciate the support
@@ElvenPlotArmour thanks ! Amazing work man - I really thought I was in a 1m sub category channel when I first landed here !
Do you have save game of this start? I doubt I can pull this start off lol.
Discord link in the description. Come say hi and we'll see what we can do.
Are mistwalker units worth it outside of Eltharions army since they don't get redline skills? it seems like they are only a tiny bit better if they are.
Mistwalker units are powerful, but they are expensive. Being completely honest, even in WH2 I would really only take them in Eltharion's army for this reason as a default, but you can use them in other armies. Sentinels of Astaril are stupidly cheap for any army and among the best HE units, period. Faithbearers are a bit expensive, but this *finally* gives the HE a devastating sword unit. They're very good against strong infantry (like orcs). Spireguard have tonnes of ammo, so fit well into a half stack. Knights of Tor are expensive but make any can make any High Elf army stronger (another elite HE unit). By the mid game asside from Silverin Guard and heroes, Eltharion's army should be entirely mistwalkers. He is, no doubt, the best general the High Elves have. Go majority Sentinels with 4 knights of Tor, max Hand of Glory and this army can take on multiple armies/settlements relentlessly. If playing for efficiency though, you can use them for non-LL's but they aren't an auto include. You need to consider what this army will be doing. Correctly assigning the right mistwalkers for the job will give you some efficiency.
TLDR: Eltharion's core units, but just a couple of support units for non-LL until late game
@@ElvenPlotArmour Wow this is the most in-depth answer any youtuber has ever spent the time to give me and my wife makes CZcams videos !
How do you fight in the settlement? Always have to fight battles outside the settlement
This was filmed on an earlier version of the game. Since then the game only has settlement battles if a garrison (T2) building has been built. T3 will be a fully walled settlement battle. This early in the game you are unlikely to see these, meaning they'll be field battles which are much easier and less time consuming. They've also buffed the starting armies meaning your run should be nowhere near as brutal as this was :)
@@ElvenPlotArmour They've also nerfed the garrisons, so there's no way you're going to defend Gronti Mingol with what's there against 2x Savage Orcs.
The quest battle was impossible playing with the SFO mod (atleast I fing hope that was it) the soul grinder had 2.5k missile strength and oneshotted eltharion
Oh damn, that sounds like some wacky SFO shenanigans. That seems far too high. Hope the rest of your campaign is going well. SFO can be a tough ride at the best of times!
@@ElvenPlotArmour yeah probably is, so far it seems to be working out just postponed the battle for a bit to have stronger units.
I much rather sack and loot my way down south never grab any region! Once I finish I move East do same thing then with massive armies finish up north. You will have so much money you can buy any alliances you want at end. Also do not form any defensive alliances at all in beginning and mid game only alliance end game
The pillaging south concept is certainly interesting and sounds like a blast. I think alliances are dependent on if you're the one controlling who will be pulled into a meaningful conflict - though I agree if in doubt, don't sign it. Still, any build where you crusade in the Darklands is a chad move :)
does the handmaiden hawkish precision affect the mistwalker units?
Unfortunately no. I only really use them with Eltharion thanks to his direct buffs, but he makes them excellent. His equipment plus x2 points in the spell makes Hand of Glory cost only 2. Apply this continually to a Sentinel of Asteril and they'll really help take down that concerning unit from great distance. Hand of Glory is a forgettable spell made strong with Eltharion when applied to devastating ranged unit with a very low rate of fire (Sentinels). This unit should be the core of your lategame army with a couple of Knights of Tor in the wings. Eltharion, I'd say, with his optimal army is quite probably the best HE general with replenishing ammunition. I'd still consider a handmaiden, but use the snare ability instead, to pin an enemy from afar (ride out on a horse) then snipe them.
@@ElvenPlotArmour that all makes a ton of sense. Thanks for the reply and for your content. Keep it up its all great!
@@kas1380 Cheers mate!
Man I tried this and just was awful. Hopefully Eltharion gets a buff in the next patch.
Sorry to hear you're having trouble. Yeah this is a tough one. Some of these guides are a breeze to optimise, this was one of the most difficult by far!
I stand by the first 5 complete turns being the best way to proceed, but this is a hard campaign that requires a lot of reading diplomatically and confident military moves. Which difficulty and where abouts is it going bad?
Recently picked up WH3 after a good while from playing TW games (played WH2 when it was the latest title). I gave this campaign a couple shots and it got to be too frustrating. Second game, didn't take long for me to lose Tor Yvresse to the orcs in pathetic fashion and struggled to stay alive in the Badlands. Managed to turn things around, but I don't know how to really get anywhere with all the pressure that keeps coming down on me. Had to quit that game just now because the Skaven are just way too much. I found I have a particular dislike for the Marsh region, too, because of those bastards.
This is definitely a rough campaign. Recommend giving Tyrion, Alarielle or Teclis a go before diving into this one as managing 2 kingdoms requires quite tight diplomacy. Respect for diving in because it really is a unique experience. The recommendation now is to build up T3 walls on the edges of your empire.
In last week's patch they turned all minor settlements into field battles so you'll need to defend and build walls on those outer provinces to be safe now.
Don't forget to use ambush stance when approaching their territory while scouting!
I feel like CA is just hating on Eltharion. I dont like or understand the makeup of his starting forces. they are boring and completely lack speed and utility and damage dealing capability for a long time, easily the worst high elf starting army. In my opinion the rewards of the starting dilemma also need to be swapped around. That being said I still like his faction more than the others because he does eventually get the Knights of Tor Gaval which I really like.
Ok, I had a revisit of this in the latest patch. His starting armies are actually very good. High Elves typically want 4 spears on the corners and another in the middle. Use the Faithbearers in that central role and now just hire archers. If you capture a stable, hire a unit of Reaver Archers, but High Elves are a defensive army and only need a couple of mobile units to handle artillery that outranges their archers. In WH3, the biggest change is "Whatever number of melee infantry you brought in WH2, bring 1 or 2 more in WH3." I made this mistake for a while and this change was a night and day change for me. Check out my "8 Unit Types" video and "Formations" videos for some effective setups which work well with High Elves. 5 spearman/silverin to hold the perimeter and 11 archers/sisters is a setup that works the entire game.
@@ElvenPlotArmour I have played 4000 hours of high elves in Warhammer 2. they are my bread and butter. I will clarify my comments.
1 It makes no sense to me to give the badlands army a bolt thrower when all legendary lords now have siege attacker, If I must have it put it in the other army. 2 Both starting forces are basic shield infantry and archers with one unit of light cavalry and the bolt thrower. so no mobility, no utility, and no killing power outside of basic archers until T3. every other high elf faction starts with all of those things. It is unbearably boring to be stuck with only that singular style of gameplay for so long.
Why is it that after turn 5 eltharion only has around 50% movement range after ambush in my campaign?
I recall seeing a bug which consumes movement just from changing stance. If you see it again I might report it because I recall being frustrated by something similar. I'd reload and move FIRST, up to 25% remaining, then adopt ambush to circumvent this.
@@ElvenPlotArmour okay cause it just ruined a run were I had a shipwreck at the start and 2 incidiary mages :/ the stancechange consuming movement actually happend quit often to me (esp fortifications) usually I would just reload. Starting with 50% movement after the end turn also happend 2 or 3 times.
this guide doesn't seem to work anymore, skarbrand destroys stormhenge on turn 4 turning then on the player immediately after
Sorry if this guide isn't working out. This was filmed in early access of Immortal Empires Beta and the devs keep changing the setup. The version you see here was super brutal in terms of running 2 armies and they fixed that, but (clearly) they've made the AI more aggressive and it's shaken things up. The borders I recommend, I'd still say are the ones you should aim for in the Darklands but it's likely a slower expansion. Fortunately, Eltharion's prison mechanic and the amazing defeat traits down here make it a profitable place for a slow, steady expansion and well worth the investment.
I'm currently covering Chaos Dwarfs but will go back to the High Elves for an update in due course. Feel free to ask anything the comments and good luck mate!
@@ElvenPlotArmour thank you very much, i love your videos they are concise and precise. Even though this one is nit working anymore it helped me so much. I've encaged skarbrand and kept encaged since before running his capital down and everything went smoothly after
@@chunchunmaru5128 It's a tough campaign, well done. Mad respect for not cowering back to Ulthuan and staying with the crusade!
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Hmmm I disagree with firing a silver guard I can do that battle on very hard losing less than 40 usually
Hard to see cause the sun is in my eyes but in the fight with the mage (YOY CNA SWAP HER DUH I ALWAYS JUST DEAL WITH THE HEAVANS WIZARD) but you can basically hold the hill ^_^
I wonder what difficulty that is
Hey cheers for the feedback. This was in early access, before they removed all the sieges and they buffed Eltharion's Ulthuan army. This version played in the video was honestly hard as hell and I pushed for the difficulty to be dropped (which they have now, thankfully). Firing a Silverin Guard is something I would never normally do, it's one of the best HE units, especially with Eltharion, but this cut of the game was bordering unreasonable in terms of being stretched economically & militarily. All my content is Legendary/VH. Will cover this campaign again in the future but the overall gameplan of territory and priority remains roughly the same.
stopped the vid at 4:44.
wrong skilling in the blue line (u go 3x Merchant Lord on all LL and generic non-casters and 3x "Elven Scholar"). 9% trade resource production + 25% research per high level lord? Yea, totally wanna take upkeep. THAT U DONT NEED!
3x Merchant WILL outshine the 3x Quartermaster.... quickmath pls (duh; factionwide vs local effect).
No need to kill 2nd Silverin Guard, lol. U dont look for Fire Mages, but u are right with Incendary trait on Mage Lord. I would argue to go for another Lord that is Prince / Princess for that sweet boni above. Imo, best lore for HE is STILL high magic, especially now. So get a "Incendiary" High Lore Caster Lord for 2nd army and prince/ess for 3rd army. Do not get too many Archmage Lords, they dont have Merchant Lord and Resarch skill nodes (probably oversight).
quick sum up: Eltharion takes Badland, u want to spend the 120 Influence instantly on 2 Lord, one mage for home defence and one prince/ess for ambush trigger.
in early game (< turn 40), u have 2 full armies, Eltharion and Ulthuan mage army, and 2 single Lords for ambush trigger.
Get Trade Agreement and Defensive Alliance ASAP. Border Princes are your first target. Ally with everything ASAP, build Outposts everywhere ASAP.
Ulthuan Army doesnt need any units recruited. Ally with Alarielle and Tyrion and set "defend target" to your second Lord. Now u can take Ulthuan ez.
Eltharion's Army can get rank 9 spearmen really fast (u first tech spearwall + the next tech, not anything else), if his army is full switch him out to get him back to Yvresse. You want to have a full mistwalker army with eltharion (even though he doesnt need an army).
Everything u battle manually, u win with only 1%-10% entitiy loss. If not, rematch. *snip, u know how to play*
Now its turn 30ish, u own Ulthuan+Badlands, have nearly all LLs (curse u teclis) and u won. Congratz. Also u are the UN.
Dont say perfect if it's not even remotely. It's good, yea.
Protip: Use confed army (or other useless lords) to smash against anything with a char. ~50% u can auto-resolve to get a prisoner, doesnt matter the outcome.
Another one: Galbaraz's unique nobles asap. Only ever recruit max influence lords/ hero. No idea why ppl always want u to recruit shit.... wtf. Dont use Nobles for influence farm, that's a trap now. Use them to bolster ur mage armies.... more nobles = more money btw -> Merchant Lord.
Now I will shut up, cheers o/
I appreciate the time taken to share insights but there's a couple of points that don't quite add up here in my mind. First up, I agree the increased tradables is excellent and a definite, but not until later. This is on Legendary difficulty, if you get ambushed and lose your main army it's autosaved disaster with no rematch nor reload from a safe point. You can opt not to use Wary for ambush defence, but in the Badlands with Skaven and Beastmen everywhere, Wary is insurance on your greatest asset (your main army).
I also agree with Eataine & Avelorn defensive alliances as well nobles no longer needing to obscenely farm influence and bolstering tradables is VERY underrated. The art of trade and diplomacy is the true mastery of HE imho, so nicely done. HE outposts are amazing, agreed.
Now the points I'd like to contest. x3 Quartermaster does not compete with Merchant (unlocked after personal tree) and is necessary to get Feared and Renown. Lowering the upkeep of your main army is a factionwide benefit in all but name.
Your strategy to disband in Ulthuan and focus down south is absolutely sensible on paper, but this being an "optimised run" means maximising both territories early to get to defensible borders so you can then calm, hold and develop these holdings with less military cost. I invite you to test as I have (on Leg/VH as this slows expansion) and this method simultaneously secures both territories rapidly by turn 20 with strong income thanks to ports (which your choice to not expand immediately unto Ulthuan forgoes), and fund a 3rd army comfortably.
High Elf research buffs simply are not needed. The early research for spears/archers is vital, but their lategame units already come highly trained and don't need research buffs. There are very few techs that will have any meaningful change after this, many of which only take 2 turns to unlock anyway. Unless you're doing disband/cheese, there is no reason to hire Princ/ess for this reason.
The High Elf Arch-mage is the gold standard for Non-legendary Lords. No amount of Princ/ess buffs can compare to the power of magic and Lores of Magic are matchup dependent and low level fire is unmatched vs greenskins and an appropriate choice here. One Incendiary Mage is nice, but I really discourage using all your influence on lord traits. It's their magic, not their trait that wins battles.
Hero traits are a far better for your campaign and being honest, the lord trait impact is meager on the battlefield compared to the factionwide.
You have some great incites, but I respectfully must point out most of your criticism is directed at tactics suited on Leg/VH where you must manually fight and over deliver with less replenishment etc. This disparity is enhanced by the fact the autores is overtuned like crazy on all difficulties. On Normal, some of the liberties can be made, but this is one of the most demanding starts (keeping both territories) and it's a rough early game which needs all big guns!
Please view this as me explaining tactics that appear to be considered 'incorrect' rather than being dismissive of your playstyle which is clearly bringing you success.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts mate!
@@ElvenPlotArmour I agree with all your arguments. But u misread me, when u thought I was "forfeiting Ulthuan". U keep both. Yea, u right on the Research skill in blue line, well it's unique. but the current research of HE doesnt make it necessary, although the second effect is not un-nice. So, even better synergy with upkeep reduct + trade buff in blue line. It's like killing stones with birds, or whatever ;)
Traits do impact ALOT, it's not tangiable at the start, but it ramps up insanely. Losing that trait is also hard. But getting influence is ez pz, so no need to hold back those sweet 120 influence at the start. On the magic LL, yea u want their magic. But u also want an impactful Lord. Icendiary is just a plain upgrade to battle wizard for any HE caster lord. Are there better option for your mage lord? No. U dont want to have non-battle wizards leading your armies. At least I can't think of any trait worthy for the archmage lord type. My suggestion was to get a high-lore mage lord in your second army (on Ulthuan), since it's a solid choice and extremly versatile. Only sad thing about the mage HE lord: no merchant skill in blue :(
To the last paragraph, I also was under the same impression. So yea, same wavelength o/
ps: I dont play L/VH. I play H/H (perfect sweetspot, normally), because L/VH is just boring, but I did ofc. Too many mechanics that makes the campaign less tactical and strategical. CA can't step up their game in that regard (it's not like they are unable, just lazy af).. So this was just some additional input, to ur damn good, nah perfect, video. Need to play myself on L/VH to actually be able to say "shouldn't be called perfect". Shame on me. Imo, my comment before was dismissive. So, sorry for that. Thx for your reply
cheers o/
Do you have save game of this start? I doubt I can pull this start off lol.
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