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- Last night, episodes 3 & 4 of the Michael Jordan documentary 'The Last Dance' premiered, and Chris Broussard joins Nick Wright and Kevin Wildes to give his take. Hear why Nick and Broussard agree that this episode highlighted how grossly underappreciated Isiah Thomas is, why Phil Jackson may be the GOAT, and how great coaching taught MJ he didn't need to win every championship by himself, something Broussard thinks Los Angeles Lakers great LeBron James hasn't had.
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The Last Dance showed Isiah Thomas & Phil Jackson's strength - Broussard | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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What are your thoughts on Episode 3 & 4 of 'The Last Dance'?
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Nicks biggest take. Was about Isaiah Thomas 😂 why is he a analyst 🤔
Jordan is the goat..
NIck, you're just an idiot. When people say 'on MJ's watch' it means once he sniffed the Finals and won. No ONE in their right mind would say, MJ walked into the league and won titles straight away. Only Morons like yourself, who like to ride LBJ, would say something stupid like this.
p.s stop using Broussard in your thumbnail and heading, it's quite evident no one clicks when they know it's you.
MJ head and shoulders 🐐
I'm not understanding the point at the end about LeBron not buying into a system because he didn't have a legendary coach. Phil wasn't a legendary coach when he came in, but Jordan still brought into the system.
He came in and completely controlled the locker room and players he had presence and poise nobody lebron has played for is even close to Phil’s level aside from Spoelstra
@@242okil And he wanted Spo fired a month into the season.
Keywan Bernard that’s true can’t deny that
Phil was already champion
Romeo montero
No he wasn’t, he was not an established NBA coach. People got to stop acting like Phil came in with 11 rings already, he didn’t.
After 6 rings , Jordan , Pippen, Phil Jackson... can' t forget Bad Boys. That' s the greatness of Isiah's Pistons
Without bad boy Rodman the Bulls and Jordan would have had maybe minus three rings.
that mf team gave Jordan PTSD
"Jordan linked up with the most successful head coach in history"
Phil Jackson was hired as an assistant because he was a nobody before Chicago.
Right Nick wrong is trash
Exactly
al farouq aminu for 3 I agree. Nick is so wrong. When Kobe Bryant got Phil Jackson he was a great coach. When Michael Jordan got Phil Jackson he was an assistant. They grew and matured together. Phil Jackson was good and became great while Michael Jordan was great and became the greatest!
Pistons had 4hofs..Isiah, Dumars, Rodman and Adrian Dantley
Dantley got traded after one
Dantley didn't win with them. But he said offensive players
@@Ghostkilla773 oh ok, still Isiah, Dumars, Mark Aguire, Vinny the microwave Johnson...they had scorers
@@darrellhardy90 are any of them top 50 players
@@Ghostkilla773 idk? Do u have to be a top 50 player to make shots?
now nick nows mj won season mvp,defensive player of the year,,allstar mvp,slam dunk champion,scoring champion in one season hahaha
Nick should never discuss Jordan ever
If thats is the case.. same goes with Skip, he should never discuss Lebron ever
Ever!
I hope people understands that Phil was not yet considered all time great when he coached MJ. He was an assistant coach in the beginning. He even lost the championship in his first year as head coach. But rather than quitting on his coach, MJ worked harder. Then, the team also worked harder. Phil is great coach, but his greatness was matetialized because of his championships. So i do not think it diminishes MJs goatness just because he was coached by Phil and some other athlete was not.
THANK YOU
Marinel Oro A Goat makes EVERYONE BETTER! That’s what Mj did for Phil and Scottie!
@@Josh-sk5xd AND IM SO TIRED OF THIS NOTION SCOTTIE DOESNT GET CREDIT WHEN FOR HIS CARRER IN REGULAR SEASON HE AVERAGES 16 AND IN THE PLAYOFFS 17 WITH ONE MORE REBOUND AND ONE MORE ASSIST THEN JORDAN...STOP IT
Marinel Oro facts
If Jackson is not the best NBA coach of all-time who is? I would say that Auerbach is the best Coach/front office and John Wooden is the best NCAA coach. I am not saying that you can't argue for any of the three.
The Bulls were in the Eastern Conference Finals the year before Phil Jackson took over a team with the best player in the NBA. The Lakers were in the WCF the year before Phil took over a team with the best player. Phil Jackson was a great coach but let’s not kid ourselves. He won championships because took over the most talented teams.
Why didn't those most talented teams win without him? Phil won rings as a player and in other leagues. He was what they needed to take teams over the line. Jordan wouldn't have shared the ball and continued losing by all accounts
Do you know how difficult it is to coach talent?
Printez Stroman You know how much easier it is to coach top talent in the NBA to a championship vs coaching bottom or average talent in the NBA to a championship? It’s almost impossible to win without top talent. That’s why Phil Jackson is all time great coach but none of his rings were as impressive as Larry Brown’s with Pistons
@@dimitrythomas4158 Do you understand how difficult it is to get talented people to listen let alone work together?
Printez Stroman way easier then getting untalented people to be super talented
What nick wrong fails to realize is that Lebron COULD have had that one coach in Spolstra where he had the most success and was in an actual system but once again when things got tough and he couldn't control the heat organization.he ran back to Cleveland.
The False Prophet DING!!! Facts!!!
Hows Spoelstra doing since lebron left?
Damon Parks He’s doing just fine now that he’s got an All Star player WHOS HEALTHY! 😂
Have that been back to the finals?
Miami ran THE LEBRON JAMES SYTEM to... dont be fooled.
Don’t forget, Nick. Spolstra would be considered an all time great coach if he had won 3 rings during that 4 year period. But his star player, Lebron, didn’t get it done. Phil never had that problem with MJ
Ryan
3 in 4 years makes someone an all-timer? It definitely would’ve been hella impressive, but, still not worthy of legendary status. Yes, I’m also referring to Steve Kerr.
Fakename70 yes 3 would. How many coaches had 3 in 4 years?
Ryan
I think you’re confusing the difference between “all-time great” and really impressive or successful. At the very least you’re lowering the bar. So, Kerr’s an all-timer now?
Fakename70 Who’s all time great my dude? Kerr is a good example. Took over a good playoff team and won 3 championships in his first 4 years. Would have been 5 if Durant and Klay don’t get hurt. Is that not as impressive as what Phil did his first 4 years?
Ryan
Jackson’s overall coaching resume includes 11 NBA championships and least 1 more outside of that over the course of a couple decades. There’s a large enough body of work to draw from. The sample size is still too comparatively small with Kerr to anoint him to legendary status. This is only his 6th season. Impressive? Yes. One of the best to EVER do it? Not even close.
Man I wish Cris Carter was still on this show. He would have personal insight on this
Jerome Marshall facts. Unreal stories
Facts
“You can’t just look at the numbers”... Did Nick “Mr Numbers” Wright just say that?
yeah he just contradicted is whole carrer!!!! Thats the worst guy on tv nick wrong!!!!
Guy-Roland Seri : Right? If we were talking about NFL QB’s his tune would be different.
He contradicts himself, too. He always cites Mahomes’s (volume) stats as evidence that he’s the best QB in the league.
But there are two things he doesn’t understand: Russell Wilson’s stats match Mahomes’s when you control for pass attempts, and his efficiency stats are equal or better.
Secondly, Mahomes hasn’t done anything on the field that Wilson hasn’t done repeatedly over the last 8 seasons. On top of it, Russ wins in situations that others (including Mahomes) don’t.
But there’s Nick always caping for Mahomes. He and Max Kellerman irritate tf out of me with that bs.
Oh, but because he wants to stump for Isiah, stats don’t tell the full story - which (fwiw) I agree with.
EXACTLY he just pull up LeBron playoff game.... someone ask for top top he game top 30 lol and they were all big numbers he was giving everyone
Are you dumb... he said I think IT understood what a lot of people understand is that you can’t just look at the numbers... he’s making this statement from ITs point of view. Also everyone knows numbers aren’t the only thing but they are a huge factor
I don’t think anyone really holds Lebron James’ first stint in the Cavs against him. It wasn’t till he left the cavs is when people expected him to win. So ‘91 for Jordan makes sense.
Jose Estevez Lol this is untrue those no ring jokes was big.
@@FireAngelChris they did the same with MJ
William Brown I don’t think it was on the same level. Because after the dude won they treat him like he never won or he loser
@@FireAngelChris People were calling Jordan a man who can just score a bunch of points until he won that first chip.
Jordan and Bron needed a championship.
lmao bruh stop
There’s no way Micheal would ever just say “yea it’s cool. Have fun in Vegas”
So where is Birds all time great coach at? We calling KC Jones a all time great coach or Bill Fitch? Can bird get that love Nick
Right on. I guess Nick can't let the facts get in the way of his argument.
KC Jones only coaches the Celtics for five seasons, and he reached the Finals four times and won it twice. And he’s got some other stat which I don’t remember exactly but it something like: he’s the only guy besides Phil J to coach in the NBA for a certain amount of time and never had a losing season. So, he wasn’t exactly chump change.
Nick has that feelings over facts mentality
L Beats So So true
Bird didnt need the coach they had the talent
i love how these media guys are saying younger gen doesnt respect Isiah when old heads are the ones who canceled him and media guys never, not once put him on any list but sure go for the easy scapegoat
Lance Grimmez this an underrated fact
Nick is such a hypocrite, he only looks at numbers when he tries to say LeBrons better than Jordan but now he’s saying with Isaiah numbers don’t mean everything 🤦🏾♂️
Lmao and Lebron doesnt have better "numbers" than jordan him surpassing him on some all time records is because he came in way younger more time just like kobe, if you really look at it Jordan won 6 championships in 11 years
junta more yep. he’s a clown
@@antoniogreen9176 if you really look at it he had the best supporting cast in the 90s and never faced a team better then his own
@@goatdaniel9753 he beat the 60 win teams in the playoffs wym
@@antoniogreen9176 look at those teams talent from top to bottom and tell me if they were better then the bulls... the same bulls that won 55 games without him
To what Nick said about offensive weapons, Isiah had weapons in Adrian Dantley, and then Mark Aguirre. Those two guys were scoring machines.
Wright will do anything to support his Lebron over MJ mentality. Wright sees this documentary, knows MJ is better, but can't let it go.
nabil chowdhury he always does back it up with facts and y’all jordanites ain’t wanna accept it
Facts 💯
Wait a minute!!!! So everyone is going to pretend like LeBron didn’t take a two week vacation to Miami in the middle of the 2015 season? What a bunch hypocrites!!!!
Michael Land pretty sure his knee or back was injured. Could be wrong but pretty sure he had a lingering injury or two
To get them hgh shots 😂😂😂😂
Jordan took 18 months vacation so stop it
Wow tight
@@joselopez-yi7gb after going 3-0 in the finals playing all 82 games
Isiah Thomas was 5 time All-NBA and had all the gaudy numbers from his rookie year until 1987. From 1987 to 1991 he said heck with the individual numbers, I'm gonna lead this team to NBA World Titles. AND HE DID!
Facts.
Nick - your cheque is in the mail , love Bron
Accurate assessment
Celtics walked off on pistons......nobody said nothing
They shook hands as they left that's why didn't make waves
nik terry No, only McHale.
@@memcrew1 which is more than pistons did for bulls
Baldur D so what.
Accurate assessment on Isiah Thomas.
Lbj had coach spo and Riley when he was with the heat. He just can’t play off ball.
Exactly.
Lol he had some of his best off ball moments with the heat though. Also they had a system
@@FireAngelChris And it's not a coincidence that that is where he has found the most on court success.
cyber6sapien i mean he could of had more successes last few years with the Cavs. A lot of things stopped that
Dats a paddlin Pretty much that’s why this system stuff overstated. Because 2015 without injuries they win,like you said if KD don’t join the team that he did it’s possible at least 1 more ring. 2018 that team was horrible. Folks just ignore too much with dude
Nick talking like Phil had won anything BEFORE he got to the Bulls🙄
Scotty Bowman was much more accomplished as a coach. Won Stanley Cups in Montreal, Pittsburgh, Detroit and Chicago (front office), went to the Finals in St Louis and Buffalo.
You’re talking like Jordan won anything before Phill. They created each other’s legacy. If Phil coached other non super teams he’d probably get a ring or two and Jordan would probably get one or two as well but together they were the GOAT combo.
He did.. Phil won as a player in NY and that matters!
Lml He Did Doe
@@dariusewing6962
Winning as a player doesnt mwean that you make a great coach. Ask Isiah Thomas and Larry Bird.
Nick trying to mount a narrative and Chris just sitting back smilling like..."am bout to son this kid" lol!!
WHY DOES IT SEEM NICK WRIGHT DONT WANNA GIVE MICHAEL JORDAN HIS DUE?IT SEEMS LIKE HE IS PAID BY OUTSIDE PEOPLE TO DO THIS
Cause he’s the ultimate bronsexual
Nick Wright knows this will make his career. With most of media going with MJ, he knows he gets numbers by refuting everything about MJ.
Because u blind MJ lovers don’t see Anything but him and basketball was played before him and it took Jordan 8 years to win and I watched Jordan lose and he wasn’t clutch and was a ball hog! Basketball is a team sport and MJ had to learn to be a winner by sharing the ball trustin his TEAMMATES LOL 😂
@@dariusewing6962
I agree with a lot of what you stated
He likely gets paid by Klutch Sports and/or earns sponsors through them, just like Shannon Sharpe, Ryan Hollins, Damon Jones, Jay Williams, and Dahntay Jones. It's like a cult. Hate on everyone who is a threat to LeBron.
All true.
Erik Spolstrea is a phenomenal coach and if he wins this year after 2020 and after the big 3 spolstrea bouta be up there.
Lot of friends of mine and myself included really think Nick is just a hater for MJ.
Just like you and 95% of the internet, are a hater for Lebron.
@@MalrickEQ2 Not really. I have seen many Lebron fans online.
Bulls in early 90 was not a superteam
They were never a superteam period lol Nick Wright is just trying to make them seem way better than they really are to discredit MJ. He has to continue that narrative that MJ’s teams were always stacked and that LBJ had to “carry” his team.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx CORRECT. LEBRON HAS HAD MORE HELP AND TALENT IN THIS ERA THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER, HIS MIAMI HEAT TEAM WAS STACKED ALL 4 YRS AND SO WAS CLEVELAND WITH CURRENT AND FORMER ALL-STARS STARTING AND COMING OFF THE BENCH. ON ANOTHER NOTE. WE ALL KNOW WHY LEBRON HASN'T HAD A GREAT COACH, CAUSE A GREAT COACH COMES WITH A TEAM SYSTEM AND LEBRON CAN ONLY PLAY ONE WAY AND THAT'S BEING A BALL DOMINANT PLAYER. LEBRON HAS A LIMITED SKILL SET AND HIS OWN PERSONAL SYSTEM HELPS MASK THOSE DEFICIENCY. LEBRONS PERSONAL SYSTEM REVOLVES AROUND HIM BEING BALL DOMINANT SURROUNDED BY SHOOTERS, THIS HELPS CREATES SPACE FOR EASY DRIVES AGAINST SMALLER PLAYERS TO THE BASKET, EASY PASSES & ASSIST TO OPEN WING PLAYERS AND EASY REBOUNDS CAUSE EVERYONE IS PULLED OUT TO THE PERIMETER. THIS IS WHY I'VE ALWAYS CALLED LEBRON'S PERSONAL SYSTEM... THE LERBON JAMES STAT PAD SYSTEM CAUSE ITS BEEN DESIGNED WITH THE CURRENT NBA RULES IN MIND ( NO HAND CHECKING, 3-SECOND LANE VIOLATION ) TO PLACE THE BALL IN HIS HANDS 85-90% OF THE TIME TO HELP PAD HIS STATS ACROSS THE BOARD. PLAYING IN THIS SYSTEM ALMOST HIS ENTREE CAREER WITH MULTIPLE ALL-STARS IN A WEAK EASTERN CONFERENCE HAS ALLOWED HIM TO CLIMB THE STATS LIST AND MAKE 9 FINALS BUT ALSO IS THE PRIMARY REASON LEBRON IS 3-6 IN THOSE FINALS, LEBRONS SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO BENEFIT HIM NOT HIS TEAM.
ໂӼɬཞคɬ౬ཞཞ౬ຮɬཞíค꒒ i guess you forgot about KD with all that CAPS LOCK
So Scottie and Bill Cartwright who was a allstar Tony K who was great 6 man and Rodman and Ron Harper theses guys very underrated and it’s shame that people believe Mike won without help and that’s not true!
But they won 55 games and a playoff series without MJ and lost to the team that went to the finals in 7 games... They weren't a super team but they were stacked and better than everyone else in the 90s
Don’t minimize Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, and the Microwave!
Phil Jackson was not the "most successful coach in any sport, ever", yet, when he linked with MJ. He became that 8 years later, and then more so a decade after that. Nick Wright with another grossly exaggerated statement that uses incomplete facts that are taken out of context in order to diminish MJ's legacy in favor of LeBron.
Well said. Clearly he has a bias. Nick is a LBJ Stan
totally agree on this. Nick Wright is predominantly biased against MJ’s legacy.
wasabi 1337 They always tend to give credit to these coaches, the same way with Tom Brady. They like giving these coaches too much credit but we could see the BS because we are not kissing a** for ratings!
Lol what are you talking about? Kevin is the one tha thg brought up lebron haha
Phil won 3 more with Kobe. What does that tell you? Yes, he's a great coach
Great description of Isiah Thomas.
...Joe Dumars was a lockdown defender and a knockdown shooter from the perimeter, definitely an All Star🤔
Broussard was great in this segment!.. Let's see him on the show more often.
Great point by Bru about the LeBron system & its restrictions for other star players. As opposed to a team system which allowed everyone to shine & have their moments.
Jordan made Pippen a top 50 player and Phil into the greatest coach through hard practices and scrimmages and hitting the gym. Isiah Thomas accepting, believing in and executing Chuck Daly’s coaching and leadership made the team champions and Daly into the great Dream Team Hall of Fame coach he became.
Jordan needed pippen and phil. To win it all
@@joselopez-yi7gbThank you. I hate how some people under cut my man. I'm talking about orville. Isiah was the one that got the pistons going. That is why he gets blamed for everything. He also taught mj he can't do it alone.
Learn your basketball thank GOD FOR NICK WRIGHT preaching the truth LEBRON THE GOAT #🐐
Nick is my go to guy he is highly regarded with the facts I no y'all callem a Bron Stan but he is spitting straight facts
the empty stats that are taken out of context?
Funny how Nick wright is partly responsible for his first takeaway.
Yup!... the analytics part.
My exact thought
Adrian Dantley and Mark Agguire were elite offensive players
Great players who accepted the coaching and new approach won with the new system made the coaches into all-time greats as coaches. Magic made Riley into the great championship coach by putting his ideas into showtime.
Imagine a player...the size of Karl Malone and skill set of Magic Johnson, in that system of the triangle offense and Phil coaching with Scottie as your right hand man. And later...Dennis underneath the rim. 8-10 rings.
Yea Nick set that up so smoothly for lebron lol.
Teams that win multiple championship usually have great a Coach and 3 great players, he makes a interesting point about La Bron.
lol... if Nick says Lebum is goat becoz of analytics, i would say, remember what you said about Pistons Isaiah Thomas? lol..
Lol big difference when lebron is going to have the most points ever and be top 3 in assists and top 10 in rebounding all time
@@242okil remember pistons isaiah thomas??
Nick Wright, the 1988 Pistons had seven guys who averaged double figure scoring. Isiah played on a team with Adrian Dantley, a guy who once averaged over 30ppg on over 56% shooting from the floor for 3 straight seasons during his prime! Dantley was later traded for Mark Aguire, a guy who once averaged 30ppg on over 52% shooting or the Dallas Mavericks. Isiah, Dumars, Dantley and Rodman are all in the HOF. That makes four Hall of Famers on one team! Let's not act like Isiah didn't have an abundance of offensive help!
The NBA changed the rules to help Jordan win while the NBA rules were trying to end and stop the Detroit Pistons' reign... plus Detroit was injured, which is why they lost in 1991 and didn't bring back Vinnie Johnson and James Edwards for 1991-92... so the Pistons go from an injured 50 win team that made it to the 1991 ECF to a healthy 1992 team that gets bounced in the first round - that's how valuable Vinnie Johnson and James Edwards were for the Pistons.
Plain Simple Detroit got swept by the bulls in 91. They didn’t lose because they were injured. The bulls were far superior team at that point.
@@jgpsalm23 More than likely you didn't understand the conditions surrounding that entire series. The Bulls were not superior, they just improved their own personal progressions... the Pistons regressed due to injuries and the politics of the NBA and the business of the league (which I'm sure you have no clue as concerning) played a huge factor in "the sweep"... it's like this: Someone you dominate 3 straight years improves and all of a sudden you forget how to beat them... did you forget how to beat them? No, you let them win... there's why in here somewhere - that's what you are missing.
That bulls story woke the bad boys up
Thanks a million Nick. Now we all know Zeke is the Top PG ever. MAGIC is a Freak of Nature
Isiah beat Bird, Magic & Jordan going back 2 back in 1989 & 1990. He's the only guy who can hold claim to fame in that category.
Wait, nick, its that LBJ doesn’t want to be coached... he’s the system, no coach can change that...that’s why he’s got all the stats
Exactly! The vast majority of these LeBron talking points are garbage. He makes ppl better or he is a great passer. He is unselfish and willing passer, but acting like he is doing What Magic, Stockton, Kidd were doing is stupid. He 260 barrels at the basket and kicks out to one of 3 team mates standing at 3 PT line.
2 of those team mates " who he makes better" 20 pts and 10 reb plus guys. Love was a 25 and 14 guy before being pushed out of the paint.
Thank u!!!
Joe Smith I think that bringing up Kevin loves numbers is kinda unfair. He went from being the number one option on an awful team that couldn’t even make the playoffs to the number three option. Also what has he done since lebron left Cleveland? Last I checked he hasn’t gone back to scoring 25 and 14. Lebron is one of the best passers of all time. He is more magic johnson than Michael Jordan. This year only helps to show that. He made the switch to being the full time point guard and is leading the league in assists. Ya sure, for most of his career he was playing a different style than the other great point guards cus he had to be his team’s primary scoring option too but this year I don’t see how you couldn’t compare him to them
Nicks an idiot, as stat smart as he is.
MJ also had a rookie Pippen where Lebron had hof with multi years experience in Wade and Bosh.
The Spoelstra/Pat Riley combo would have been that for LBJ if he had won not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but 6 championships. Blame LBJ for not being able to play off the ball, having too big of an ego problem to play under a strict system, and for bailing on his teams whenever adversity hits
2 sentences of original thought from Wildes? Has to be a record
Bad boys for life
It just shows me that the Pistons to this day don't like MJ. Well at least Thomas and Lambeer don't. Like u can just see the saltiness when they have to talk about him.
That goes both ways the bulls won 6 rings and still salty at the pistons. That's what happen when you have two super competitive leaders like that. They don't let nothing go.
Pistons physically beat up and abused MJ. You'd have thought they were trying to end his career. I don't blame MJ for still hating the Pistons. Laimbeer and Isiah walking off the way they did pretty much solidified both of their careers. Isiah's career and stats are greatly overshadowed by his sore losing poor sportsmanship behavior
Episodes 3 and 4 showed how easy players have it today. The brutality MJ and the Bulls had to go through to get to the top was something else. I seen it myself. There was a game where MJ was fouled hard mid air and fell to the floor. One other Piston player fell to the floor with him, Dennis Rodman. Rodman then punched MJ in the gut while MJ was on the floor.
Bloggins woahhhh not being punched in the gut oh no I hope he didn’t die from it
They later became team mates.
Isiah is the best & greatest point guard in history.. If you remember, he beat magic in the finals.. & did it really without a 2nd super star next to him...
Isaiah Thomas was fearless.what guard in NBA history took the punishment he took
Wtf is nick Wright talking about saying the pistons only had elite scorer ....UUUMMM EVER HEARD OF MARK ACQUIRE ,JOE DUMARS , VINNY JOHNSON!!!!!
They had Adrian Dantley who was definately an elite scorer and had to get rid of him because he didn't gel with there team.
🗣️🗣️🗣️ FIRE NICK WRIGHT!
Omigosh did Nick Wright just say a lot of ppl don't understand you can't just look at the numbers??? Nick Wright is the one that needs to understand that! He's the analytical guy - not the ppl! That's why the ppl know MJ was greater than Lebron in the NBA!
isiah thomas said this about mj magic, himself (zeke) and their tie to great coaches and asked who did lebron learn from to become the player he became. people laughed at hims for suggesting that about lebron.
This documentary has shown me that Jordan played on stacked teams with alot more help then people try and make it seem like. He played with multiple hall of famers and the greatest coach ever..
Phil did not become the greatest coach ever until he won rings with MJ. MJ had arguably 2 prime hall of famers throughout both 3 peats(Rodman was late prime). LeBron had Dwade, CBosh, Kyrie, KLove; all potential hall of famers who were in their prime when they played with LBJ. LBJ also had Ray Allen(old but hof'er, saved Heat from elimination), Kyle Korver(top 10 shooter ever, likely hof'er), and shaq(old but hof'er). Now he has prime Anthony Davis(likely hof'er), Dwight Howard(old but hof'er), Rondo(old but likely hof'er). Who had more help? It's not even a debate. Stop it.
Then we're watching 2 different documentaries. Oh and your take is trash btw
Lebron had a choice to link up with a great coach in Popovic and didn’t multiple times as a free agent
Joshua Warren scared of missing the finals in the west🤔 possibly????
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He’s the type that doesn’t like the added pressure. Like he cares a lot about how he’s perceived by the media. Could you imagine had he gone with Spurs as a free agent with Pop there and can’t get out the West or win? The media is gonna say how he can’t win with an established HOF coach. Now if he had an average coach and when he loses the media can just say “well he doesn’t have an HOF coach”. Just like they’re doing now. He knows how to play with the narratives. It always has to be in his favor.
On top of that 19&9 Zeke is the only PG to avg over 20&13 for a season…..
Nick is clearly paid to say the ridiculous things he says. I'm sorry, but if you have to go ALL the way back to the first 3 years of a player's career(the 1-9 before Pippen argument) and unfairly nitpick a point of an athletes career where they have little to no expectations, that just speaks volumes to how great MJ is. Most great players, including some mount rushmore guys don't even SNIFF a playoff birth until around their 4th year or so in the league. If a rookie or sophomore pushes a team to a playoff birth, even if it results in a sweep, thats something you normally celebrate, not mock. Players who are not in their primes are NOT supposed to lead playoff births.
DannyLlerenaTV you the same person to hold Lebrons finals record against him.. I know you are lol even tho he was favored in 3 of em.. outta 9. Remind you
DannyLlerenaTV Jordan everytime in the finals was favored 6 outta 6 times
@@deucedeuce3613 Not really, he was not favored in 98 and many of the series people believed the series could've gone both ways. The teams LeBron faced minus the KD Warriors(the 73 win warriors on paper were not really any better than the Thunder or Cavaliers and the Spurs have the most embarrassing post season defeats of any great dynasty which puts them below the celtics, lakers and bulls) were not any better than the teams MJ faced which the Majority were 60+ win teams. I think there needs to be more context behind LeBron's 3-6 record as I do not really hold 2007 or 2015 against him, but 2011? You cannot be the GOAT and have a meltdown as severe as 2011 on your resume and IMHO, you need at least 1 three peat to be the GOAT as the alpha star. LBJ would've had that if 2011 didn't happen. The Bulls didn't have two three peats because of "pure talent," they have 2 three peats because they were smarter and tougher than everyone else by a significant margin.
Nick just trying to slight... If LeBron got beat up like that he would have quit just like in Cleveland and against the Mavericks.
So, he quit? The went on to win 3 championships? Weird logic there bruh
Jammie Williams this notion that Lebron wouldn’t last in the 80s & 90s is hilarious a 6’8 sometimes 270-280 lbs with that quickness who’s not injury prone wouldn’t last in a league where you could be more physical
Nick "It is basically impossible if not unprecedented in sports history to become a guy(LeBron) that has more than 2 or 3 rings unless you are married to a coach who is going help guide you along the way." Wright
And it's a fact. Lebron has to coach his teams AND be the best player at the same time. He carries such a burden.
This is how media manipulates us (the ordinary people).
U become a legendry coach by winning multiple titles. If the bulls hadn't won Phil wouldn't have been a laker coach and not a legendry coach. U need to WIN championships.
If lebron had won atleast 3 out of 6 which he lost, we would have been talking about those coaches being legendry too.
MJ didn’t link up with Jackson, Phil was an assistant to Doug Collins and a former CBA coach, Phil took a lot from the late Red Holtzman and how the Knicks played when he played for them
LBJ didn't have a hall famer coach but he had super team!!
The shock was he forgot to bash Brady or burrow
If you took Jordan's highest peak of his prime and raised that about 50%, then combined it with lebron's long-term performance, that's wayne gretzky for the nhl
LeBron didn’t need a great coach because he recruited all the great players
Great players?
Romeo montero he made sure he teamed up with a lot of great and good players
@@TheCocoband Dwayne Wade! Kyrie Irving! Anthony Davis! Chris Bosh! Kevin Love! All great players!
I think Dwade recruited him to Miami..also klove and Kyrie had done nothing at the point of joining LBJ
@@dparks2856 AND Lebron did nothing before leaving Cleveland. He wasn't a champion when he went to Miami. Also, it's stated by Wade that Lebron called him and talked about teaming up. Wade did not recruit Lebron.
Men I will pay money to see Stephen A and Nick debate about LeBron and Jordan.
Isiah and the whole bad boy piston team need a tribute. how about joe dumars, vinny johnson, john salley, james edwards and of course bill laimbeer. always will be my favorite team of all time. so much heart so much guts and character.
Don't forget the 2004 pistons .no all stars and they demolished Kobe and Shaquille. They changed the way the game is played
Great finish Chris. LeBron needed a coach to make him come off the damage ball
Michael Jordan didn't inherit a hall of fame coach. Kobe and Shaq inherited a hall of fame coach. Michael Jordan inherited Phil Jackson who was a Bulls assistant coach learning the triangle offense under Tex Winters. Before the Bulls Phil had never coached in the NBA. He coached the CBA and in the Puerto Rican League. The Bulls went to the Eastern Conference finals in 89' under Doug Collins one year before Phil was made the head coach. I'm not trying to take away from Phil's accomplishments but Michael was CLEARLY a Hall of fame caliber player who had won League MVP and Defensive player of the the year under another coach. PHIL BECAME A HALL OF FAME COACH ONCE HE INHERITED THE GOAT! Let's stop with these misconceptions please.
Why no one talks about how Jordan had a rookie coach and Lebron had an experience coach. Jordan should get the credit even more because of this. Funny how everyone turns it against MJ.
If you pay attention Nicks point about great players and coaches he mention pairs that had 4-5 rings together ( Duncan&Pop , Brady&Belichick, Phil & MJ) Then tried to give extra credit to Lebron for winning less rings because he didn’t stay with a great coach in Erik Spoelstra.
Phil is a great coach but they can't make it seem like he's legendary on his own. Phil needed Michael to win, when Michael left those two years, the bulls didn't win. When Michael came back the bulls won. With great players like Michael, Shaq, and Kobe, Phil Jackson became successful. With that said, there is no room for the L-word like nick wright was salivating to bring up.
Zeke IT is allways .. right .. ! >) .. > .. Where can we buy his 'signature shoes' .. >) ..
That’s ridiculous, Eric Spoelstra May not be pat Riley or Phil Jackson. But he’s one of the best coaches of the generation. He is going to be in Neesmith Hall of Fame.
What do all the great coaches in nba history have, great players for extended period of times. Spoelstra is a great coach, but he only had Bron, Bish and Wade for 4 years. We have seen what he is doing with Butler and a cast of role players. Give Spoelstra 20 years of great players like Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Manu, and Parker. He would definitely be a first ballot hall of famer as well. Now he may not be a Pop or Phil, but he would definitely be great. Great players make great coaches, a great coach becomes great by managing great players.
Isaiah was an all time great. National champs at Indiana under Bobby Knight. 2 time nba champ. No question about his basketball greatness , leadership and intelligence. That said Joe Dumars WAS a superstar. Not even a question. Rodman was a superstar. Not even a question. Isaiah had help. Vinnie J. perennial 6 th man of the year. Mark Aguirre was a star. Go do your homework....
No other elite offensive players? Adrian Dantley HOF and Mark Aguirre a great shooter and HOF Joe Dumars...
Just discount everything before 91? Wow!
LiveIn 5ive What he should’ve said was that once MJ started winning titles during his championship run, nobody beat him on the biggest stage. 🐐
@@t.shizzle Right. Once the bulls started rolling, there was no stopping em. I'm a LeBron guy, so I just hate how LeBron gets criticized for losing when ppl gloss over Michael's losses because they didnt happen in the finals. I mean a loss is a loss on my book. And I mean I'd hate to lose in the finals, but shouldn't a finals loss count more than a regular playoff loss? Logic says it should, but it doesn't . Jordan was great, but I just like when people tell the whole story. I heard about how Detroit mad Jordan, but seeing it made a different impression. They MADE Jordan . Without them, I dont know that he goes 6-0 honestly. That toughened him up and made him start pumping iron.
Nick is trying to undermine MJ legacy so that his king elevate his status....
Nope its the haters who are discrediting Lebron and nitpicking every LBJs mistake while overhyping that 90s Jordan era wherein Jordan not even making mistakes and thinking like all clutch shots have gone in like 100%. Idiots
Every chance he gets.
@@dobz746 your comments makes you a hypocrite and stupid
Nick Wright always has astute points! But he seemed a little suspect keeping his composure about not implying Lebron and then sipping his tea.
Lebron did have that coach tho in Miami.. With a mentor Pat Riley... And he bailed to Cle to Blatt & Ty Lue🤷🏿♂️
Zeke best Detroit Piston ever facts !!
How is 1985-1990 not the Jordan watch?