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My advice however is still not to exceed 100wpc and know that Class AB (full size) amps will work better then Class D most likely. Since 600Ω load on a 50wpc(8Ω) is about ~500mw of power.
IE DON'T BLOW YOUR HEADPHONES UP!! START SMALL AND LOW.. MOVE UP. BE SAFE.
I use them with my xduoo xd-05 plus und I love them :-)
@Richard Gilbert I'm doing the same, though I do notice the general noise floor of the amp, have ordered some 25 Ohm resistors rated 25W to try kill it, happens even without any input signal, hence the resistors, have you had a similar issue?
@Redpill Progressive The obvious ones are there. Its when there are 3-4 sounds a minute. THATS when you realize.
@Blue See the M200 review I put out 3 days ago. I released out of order.
balanced mod them m8
Vote this up. So he can do a AMP contest with all the AMP's he have and the Beyer DT 880 600Ohm. That would be awsome,!
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Yeah, no point using amazing headphones if the amp is underpowered.
Resistance (or impedance which is basically complex resistance that depends on frequency) tells you how much current will flow through the headphones at a given voltage. The relation is given by current = voltage/resistance. The power is the current times the voltage, or voltage^2/resistance. Audio amplifiers amplify the voltage, and the current will depend on the load.
Voltage is the "electrical force" over the headphones and the current is defined by how many electrons actually move through them. Think of it like a hose with a nozzle. The pressure would be the voltage, the water flowing out would be the current and how tight the nozzle is would be resistance.
What this means is that low impedance headphones can cause the current to be the limiting factor for when clipping occurs in the amp, while high impedance headphones require larger voltage swings to achieve similar power levels.
These headphones for example are rated for 100mW max power. This equates to 7.75V. That same voltage level (same volume setting on the amp) in a 25 Ohm headphone would result in roughly 2.4 watts, or 2400mW (as long as the amp can provide the current).
Therefore it is so much harder to power high impedance headphones, even if the sensativity is high.
That is what Ohm's law boils down to. But I think the explanation sounds a bit backwards? The voltage drops on resistance not the current. If you have a linear resistor, proportionally to the current the voltage will drop. On a non linear resistance the current will drop in relation to the logarithms of the current. If you think you current as how many electron move, putting them in wire at X Volt and then making the wire much longer so that the resistance goes up, your still putting in the same number on electron and they don't disappear, so the voltage has to go down.
@@miagi1337 aahh yess, brings back memories about the RLC diff eq, laplace, even Fourier ❤️
Thank you. Saved me the time.
ELI5!
How does ohm affect sound quality? Would you say that high ohm sounds better?
I've been tellin ya about these for 3 years! They're SOOOOO GOOOD
we all know Zeos has shitty ears :))) just mocking around Zeos !!! to me they a bit to bright and boring....
Can the 250 ohms or 32 ohms sound as good as the 600? Thanks :)
Suck it DMS
david rasura yes, sure
I'm really curious what you power them with
I’ve owned these for almost a year and you made me doubt if I’ve ever actually listened to these before...
You may need a better (or different) amp tbh
Jared Ferguson I’ve been using them through an atom amp mostly. More powerful than the 789 but yeah, probably need a new amp lol
@@ethanwasserman4054 789 is loads more powerful than the Atom.
@@CristianGarcia-cs7ke atom is slightly more powerful single ended
@@ethanwasserman4054 yeah I mean sometimes it's not even about power, some amps just react differently with some headphones
I like to imagine that when Z runs these the lights in the whole neighborhood start to flicker.
Lol. It's funny, but no. Your fridge consumes more power.
I don't watch z reviews all the way through usually, but when I started watching and saw the wallpaper I knew I had to go all the way.
Honestly upon re-watch for links.. I think I undersold these. I was so afraid that people would hear the BUCKETS OF PRAISE, buy them, not power them right and say I am wrong. I never turned it up to the 13 that these require. They are God-Tier, S-Class Stupid. You have however already been warned about the prereq.
Now go back and try the treble heavy murder cans that are dt990s 600 ohms with the Emotiva BasX A-100. I freaking hate them unless I'm using the Emotiva with the resistor bypass. The highs become tamed yet keep their amazing detail and the lows are unreal. I used the second gen Schiit stack with them and could barely get sound at any worthwhile volume. They sound like straight crap out of the Jotunheim single ended as well as about six different amps I've tried, including the DarkVoice - I had high hopes for it. But damn does the Emotiva make them sing. Anybody who's trying to drive this from their PC and says they're good are either flat-out crazy, have no idea what good sound is, are lying, or a combination of all these things.
They work fine off my Magni 2. Unless I'm missing something. And from what I've read I'm not alone. And before I bought the Schiit I asked them if it could power these. They said, "yeah no problem."
They do a 32 ohm and a 250 ohm
Clinton Moffat 32 or 250 don’t sound the same.
can i hear god with these?
I learned a long time ago to not underestimate Beyers, they have absolutely fantastic drivers. Any of the mid-tier Beyers, especially the 600 Ohm versions can punch way above their price point in terms of sheer fidelity.
So I bought the DT880s and the Emotiva BasX and installed the jumpers.
Everything Zeos says is pretty damn accurate.
There's nothing remarkable about these headphones on an JDS Labs Atom, even though it has enough to power them. The Emotiva just provides crystal clear power and gives these headphone life. The response is so neutral that you can listen to your songs louder than with other headphones, and details just flow out from the noise floor effortlessly. The DT990s also sound phenomenal on the BasX.
I read a lot of forum posts of people looking to amp match with the DT880s and the consensus seems to be "Zeos is crazy, just use an Atom/Magni/Fiio". I can't overstate how terrible of a sound my Atom produces on these compared to the BasX. Don't rob yourself of an amazing experience - if you have these, get an Emotiva to push it to the brink. Everything else is just training wheels.
I also have this combo and agree completely. It truly sounds fantastic. I got the DT880s and then read about the DT990 600ohm and had a little bit of buyers remorse. Which set do you prefer on the BasX?
@@Rickcscott The DT990s have a lot of "wow" factor because it's so V-shaped, but honestly I can't listen to them longer than 5 minutes. You can only turn music up until the cymbals and snare almost kill you and even then, the lows and mids are often too quiet to hear. Would not recommend (as someone who's owned them for 9 years).
@@TheRagingPeen Thanks for the reply!
Without spending crazy money, what’s the best DAC to run with the BasX if I get the dt880 600ohm? I currently use a sennheiser HD58x jubilee with a sennheiser gsx1000 amp/dac combo so this will be a big jump for me. Thanks!
Which amp variant do you have! They have the basX100 all the way up to 500.
I'm so Happy to finally see you try these !
I just wanted to say that I watch this review once a week. The quirkiness of the 600 ohms video is everything that is fun and interesting about the hobby. Easily my favorite headphone review and the reason I keep coming back to the channel.
I rewatch many of his reviews LOL
Zeos, send those to Custom Cans in the UK - they specialize in converting those to fully balanced. Amazing work. They're working on a pair of 1990s for me right now.
got mine from custom cans, they are so good its hard to believe 👀
You had me screaming in my head, "Plug it in the BasX 100!" for 4:35
I bought the a100 for my t20rp from your recommendation 2 years ago. But damn, this is one epic combo. I'm not sure if my soul erupted into the flames of passion, but was truly amazed by it. Most spacious and detailed sound I've heard from a headphone
11:12 !!! PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: the impedance on DT 880, is marked on 3.5mm jack
I finally got the A-100 and DT880 600Ω, and it sounds great..natural, smooth yet detailed.
p.s.
5 months later I got WA6-SE. More then capable to drive DT880 660Ω if you want a more expensive alternative to A-100
tubes are way better option
@@soulfulfool yes... maybe. Synergy is the overlooked yet most crucial aspect. A-100 with project pre s2digital... great combo. Put an Neo iDSD or evem a Qtest with 1000€ linear PSU and is way too smooth and boring
You shouldn't use gain III when your DAC is feeding more than 2.1Vrms into the 789, that's why it's distorting (clipping, actually). It can only push a maximum of 1.3W @ 32 Ohms out of SE outputs when using 2Vrms input and gain III. That's barely enough for the 600 ohm DT 880.
An Asgard 3 would be a much better amp for these.
I pulled the trigger on these as soon as i saw the Tygr review. That sneaky mention of them made it obvious these really tickled your beak :D I do have the basx a100, cant wait!
Ok. I have several hours clocked with this combo. This could well be a damn near perfect listening experience for me, every thing is just THERE. Comments made in this vid around the presentation of those normally recessed details are 100% accurate, without exaggerating or over-blowing other aspects of the mix.
Fuck this is good. Or do i mean G. O. D.
The power hunger is very real tho; im at -12 on a D50s and at 12 o'clock on the emotiva...it is not at all 'loud'.
@@Beardman56 how'd you get on? Im finding hard to put em down.
Also got this combination. They sound phenomenal for the price.
@Taffey Lewis hey. Could you do me a huge favor and tell me everything i need for these to work? I buy the dt 880s? (what if i got the 600 ohm 990s instead?) then i buy the basX. then i have to buy a dac too? and plug it all into my sound card on my pc? Im confused.
@@teejjonson8523 I have no idea bout the 990 600ohm, so cant vouch for them.
Your options would be;
* Use your PC (depending on outputs available from your PC) RCA out from PC -> RCA Input on BASX
* Buy a DAC; (depending on DAC you purchase) USB or Optical out from PC -> Input DAC -> RCA out from DAC -> RCA Input on BASX
Plug in cans. Try not to blow them up. Profit.
I have got one of those and balacing modding those mad HUGE difference on my 789. Looking at the output power of the 789 shows why: Single-Ended Output 100 mW, 600 ohms vs Balanced Output 400 mW, 600 ohms
I gotcha'.
An ohm is the unit of measurement for electrical resistance. You can think of it as the ratio of voltage to current.
Placing 1 volt across 1 ohm will yield 1 amp of current flow.
Placing 1 volt across 2 ohms will yield 0.5 amps of current flow.
Placing 5 volts across 8 ohms will yield 5/8 amps of current flow.
Importantly, power is the product of voltage and current. At higher resistance, a higher voltage is required to create the same current. In fact, power is voltage squared divided by resistance. (P = V^2/R).
Edit:
2V/80ohm = 0.025A (or 25mA) -> .05W (audible)
2V/600ohm = 0.003A (or 3mA) -> 0.006W (inaudible)
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All of this assumed a non-reactive (purely resistive) load. Capacitance and inductance change this relationship based on frequency.
Well since the sensitivity is typically around 90-110dB/mW the inaudible part is not really true. These headphones for example are 96dB/mW so with the 6mW @ 2V you get about 104dB SPL which is very audible. Nice and clear explaination otherwize :)
There is also the point of dimishing returns when it comes to power. An increase of 3 dB always requires twice the power.
What I love about my beyerdynamics is that open back. Once ive forgot to turn off speakers and put on the headphones... I clicked play button, first I was scared. But then when you can feel the bass and other tones getting thru that open back mixing together with detailed tones from headphones, it was instant goose bumps 🤤
If this the first time you heard of 600ohm from Beyerdynamic, they also sell in Europe 600ohm mmx300 in their customize option
A sensible, non-Drop exclusive, recommendation for something that will power these is something I think your audience would appreciate.
+1 for non-Drop exclusive. I live in Canada and even though we are geographically close, duties, taxes, and just the exchange rate make everything way more expensive. It makes sense to buy stuff that costs like 30% more from Amazon instead.
Chernobyl pre-accident would do.
I'm thinking ifi's new iDSD Signature can do it: 4.1mw output in turbo mode.
Ive had the 880 600 ohms for too long to remember. I had the same feels Zeos is having when I plugged mine into an old Stereo amp hooked up to my record players. Pure bliss. My first and last pair of what I considered high tier headphones. Didnt find a need to upgrade until my amp blew and I had nothing else that would give me the same warmth that my pioneer sa-1000 stereo amp provided. Need to get that thing fixed. Surprised it took Zeos so long to find this out.
This Review is so hype for me, cause I've been using these DT 880 600ohm with some Schiit Modi1 + Schiit Vali 1 (even had to resold the Raytheon tubes in there) and I always thought I was still missing something.
Now that the Schiit Stack is all faulty, I was searching for dac and amp substitutes and THIS video popped up my feed!!
Why is the stack all faulty?
@@mr_sn4k3s I don't recall why the DAC was faulty, but for the Amplifier shipping from USA to EU wasn't the greatest idea, I had to resold the tubes in there but that's a problem only for Vali 1, they got modular valve amp tubes since Vali 2.
I don't know if I can suggest tube amplifier since they're fragile, consume a lot and get really hot, but the sound it's kind of different from standard amp
@@zempry they are freaking amazing with my Feliks Elise, got them running at half volume so its enough power to go crazy with those amazing cans, in my ranks sound wise its easy S tier 👑 right at top with best headphones
A 600-ohm headphone maximizes the BL product of the transducer - the product of the magnetic field strength in the gap (B) and the length of conductor immersed in the magnetic field. This increases the load on the amplifier but also increases efficiency of the transducer somewhat to compensate. The BL product is equal to the number of newtons of force per ampere of current that the coil can exert on the diaphragm. But adding more turns of wire also turns the speaker into a more effective generator, and when driven by an amp with low output impedance, that makes the coil a very effective electromagnetic brake. This means the coil has a ton of control over the small speaker diaphragm in the headphone driver, and this will change the bass character of the headphone to a more damped character. Less tubby or fluffy, and more tight and precise. This is provided that you can supply enough voltage for the speaker or headphone driver to make enough output.
"Hear the music HARDER" - That's a good slogan
i bought the basx A100 thanks to you...and i shall now own these as well...thank you kind sir
I have had the DT880's for years and they never fail to make me smile when used as Zeos describes. I use a Headroom desktop dac/amp and it works pretty good
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The way you're describing how these sound reminds me of volume compression in an effects chain.
Solved your power problem - EVGA Nu Audio sound card, (works a treat for me :) and double thanks for introducing Rodrigo y Gabriela to me :))
I totally agree with this review.
I thought I was insane for thinking that these old 600 ohm beyer dt880 were at the highest of levels.
And true they do need a power plant to be driven properly.
I would also suggest that a well driven hd650 sound amazing too, cause they scale with power.
But I would take the dt880 cause it's more comfortable to me, and it sounds close to a z1r just with a bit more treble.
A Z1R ??! Are we talking about the bassy sony closed cans ?
Nah, Z1r is way more colored, so less neutral and less natural sounding with a smaller soundstage (closed) ans the bass is slow and bloated in comparison. 70mm drivers are hard to control, to hard for Sonys approach.
Besides that comparing a 160 EURO DT 880 600ohm (here in germany) to a 1500 - 2000 EUR Z1r closed back is out of proportion.
Its not overly bassy.
Once provided with more power than required lol.
I mean yeah the drivers are huge but once enough power is fed into it.
It starts to sound huge and extremely impressive.
The dt880 600ohm isn't that good but it's great in it's own way, I still like the t1 2nd gen more, but still for the little amount of money you pay for it.
Its amazing.
The woo audio wa22 + z1r = audio nirvana, it's just weird how amazing that set up sounds especially to my ears, and I've 40+ top end headphones and I'm still shocked by the z1r.
What's a cheap way to power them?
@@jaredferguson2999 thx aaa 789 or the 887.
At the very least.
You can enhance the quality by using a quality dac.
If you cheap out a little with the amplifiers.
Use something like an rme adi dac or mytek Brooklyn dac+
The Beyer DT series (dt880 and dt250 to my taste) are excellent value for money and sound much more natural/neutral that most headphones. And built very well.
Got the Emotiva and the DT 880. Its an insanely good combo. Thanks Zeos!
As a long time Beyer fan I just need to sit back and enjoy.
Just like speakers, headphones and earphones have a certain resistance to the electric current transmitted by the amplifier: this is impedance. Expressed in ohms, it often ranges between 8 and 600 ohms, depending on the model. As they do for speakers, manufacturers measure headphone impedance at 1 kHz (midrange), but in reality, impedance varies according to frequency (from lows to highs). It can double, triple or quadruple as the transducer’s mechanical resonance frequency is approached, which complicates the amplifier’s task by requiring it to produce more power.
The song at 3 o'clock on the volume knob was "Plum Wine", from the Mechwarrior 2 OST, yw.
You just made me remember how much I loved that OST back in the day. It has got to be 20 years now that I listened to that, as I never included it in my collection. Out I go to dig out that old baby. Thank you for that.
These do sound great. I have the DT990 in 600 ohms. I have done the detachable dual cable mod with internal dampening removed. I run these through a FOSI HD-A1 amplifier. Its also 50 watt per channel. Sounds spectacular.
You were right. They are amazing. I did try some RCA cables. my favorite is the QED Performance 40i stereo ones. Increases the center and bass and removes the fatiguing sharpness. I simply love them. Thank you Zeos :-)
I have the argons mk3, the dt 1990 pro and everytime, i switch back to dt 880. They are that good. Thank you :-)
Power Output (headphone output; direct drive mode)
(requires internal jumper; USE WITH CAUTION):
8 Ohms: 50 watts / channel
33 Ohms: 12 watts / channel
47 Ohms: 8.5 watts / channel
150 Ohms: 2.6 watts / channel
300 Ohms: 1.3 watts / channel
600 Ohms: 0.6 watts / channel
Hey Zeos, the 789 or smsl sp200 have 6000 mw per channel at 16 ohms.At 600 ohm you only get 220 mw output.
And of course you can identify the 600 ohm version , look at the passage between cable and connector. Here is written 600 ohm.
I have those and I use them on the Schitt Joutenheim. Works very well.
I've been using Beyer DT 880 250ohm for 13 years, and I decided to finally get a new pair and upgrade to 600ohm. I'm really glad I decided in advance to get them recabled for 'balanced' drive (4-pin XLR) instead of single-ended, because after the recable my THX 887 has no trouble making them sing. They were just awful on the same amp before the recable.
I've had these headphones since ~2008 and I got them under the exact same circumstances as you, the buyer hated them. They are always the cans I go back to and love. I'm over the HD650, Denon AH-D7000s, etc etc, I always come back to my beloved DT880 600ohms, I've repaired and replaced so many parts on them, I love them. Now i'm wonder if I need better amperage, THANKS Z >.>
What amp do you use I currently have it and dont use it because I dont have amp, do you think heresy can drive it?
I use these alot on my darkvoice , with a tungsol and Ken rad.
Zeos, have you tried these with the Darkvoice (or another tube amp)? I'm curious how they sound with tubes... My own understanding (from a very long time ago) is that high impedance headphones (like the 600ohm dt880, 300ohm hd600, etc) need a lot of voltage swings to make them perform to their best, and low impedance headphones need a lot of current capability to make them shine. Solid state is good at providing current and tubes are good at providing voltage. This is my understanding, it may be wrong - but it explains why my high impedance headphones sound great off tubes and mediocre off of (most) solid state designs.
I Used them with Audiotailor Jade tube amps with ASUS Xonar Essence STX and later STX2 till I got the T1. That is what I have read as well back in the day.
Zeos, maybe you could review Asgard 3 with these? Asgard 3 pairs magically well with DT880 Pro @250ohms. Haven't tried the 600 ohms, but it may work...
I re-signed up for patreon just to see a review of this, even though I own it anyway. So happy that Z likes them too. I listen to all the sound demos on it. I think it is good at revealing the various tonalities. But for some music, it is a hair bright.
100% agree. At some tracks the highs can be a bit piercing.
Damn it Zeos, I bought the Bas-X after you reviewed it 2 years ago for my 650s and then the Enog 2 (and Archel 2.5) after you reviewed those. Stop being the devil on my shoulder! Gahh, where’s my wallet. 🤤
I have dt770 (and have for years and years), use Fidelio X2 as my daily cans partly based on your review, and have been planning the upgrade to my HT based on some of your reviews too but had never subscribed, just assumed I was. Anyway, I changed that. Thanks for the review. Contemplated getting these when I was looking at the Fidelios (or 990s) so good to see your take on them.
Would love to see some Q Acoustics reviews (3000i or concept series).
The one to get is the all black Special Edition with the different Amiron style headband! One of the most comfortable and gorgeous headphones ever, and even 50g lighter than the Amiron home.
The 990 version is amazing too with stronger, solid bass and the most enjoyable treble I have heard on any Beyerdynamic.
I modified them balanced and I think they can do properly on thx aaa 888. They do need power even balanced though. My dx160 on high gain 100percent volume is not deafening
With a 600ohm headphone you need lots of voltage to power them. With hard to drive 50ohm planars you need massive amounts of current.
The 600ohm headphones have an insane amount of resistance. I recommend an OTL amp for them.
I agree 100%, this is the world's best headphone for the money.
600 Ohm review has been the Elephant in the room for Zeos for more than 3 years! And they say 600Ohm at the end of the cable.
“600 Ohm” ID is on the plug in mine.. 👍🏼
I put the stock M1060 pads on my 990's and i love it, you should maybe try that.
You can make them balanced by ordering a right ear cup and using it on the left side, removing the L to right connection. Then you can even make the cable detachable by using your choice of connectors.
Audio GD NFB 1, and the Gustard H 20 both work well with these. I think Class A or tubes are the key.
I used to run DT990's on a schiit asgard for gaming and they sounded amazing due to the asgard's 300mw at 600 ohms. Amp shopping for 600 ohm headphones isn't that hard but you need to shop specs at 600 ohms.
I still have my DT990 at 600 Ohm and it started coming alive coming from a liquid spark (which monoprice doesn't show a power output listing at 600 ohm but a few other websites put it at less than 100mw) to the project polaris that nearly puts 400mw into 600 Ohm. It doesn't hurt that it really does have a bit of "tube sound" on a solid state amp :)
@@PastafarianLemur Same setup I'm using. 990 is a little sharp for me so I have no problems EQing it. But I always find my self wanting to pull up the bass and having just a bit more headroom would be nice.
They are good on the sp200/m200 combo when using the xlr to connect them. The A100 I have is a bit noisy with the jumper removed but that may be a grounding issue in my setup. The only thing I have that impresses me more is my shp9500 running a bravo v2 with a gold lion tube. The bravo v2 with the gold lion is a really great combo with lots of power.
You get noise on the A100 if the headphones are too easy to power. I usually reserve for 300Ω and above or T50 mods only.
I highly recommend Dekoni Elite Hybrid Pads ( EPZ-DT78990-HYB ) for this headphone. Great comfort and cool for hours and rounds out the bottom end.
I’ve actually been planning on getting the basx For bookshelf speakers. 50 watts for $229 seems like a good deal since I have a couple of DACs. I chose it because of the headphone out. Now that I’ve seen this review I will definitely get the 880’s. Dammit Z why can’t what I have ever be enough LOL. Your channel has definitely caused some divorces I swear. I didn’t tell my wife about my audeze lcd-x purchase and she’s seen me wear them sitting right next to her and never noticed. 🤞🏻
0:42 An attached 3.5mm cable with an adapter for 600 ohms headphones?! What were they thinking?
Also, I think the whole description of the sound suggests these are bright headphones, which the graphs show clearly.
12:49 Zeos has really jumped the shark lol.
770/990 bright yes. 880 pleasant, at least for me
it's not that bright watch DMS his review. The 250 ohm version probably would qualify as bright,
Confused: Your last review of 250 ohm was 2017. And the consumer versions have coiled cord and the Pro Version has straight cord on Beyer website. There was no THX amp in 2017 for the review. Website says 600 ohm for direct amp use as you said. So, does the 250 ohm on current headphone amps sound just as good.
With a dremel, a soldering iron, a mini xlr connector and A LOT of patience you can turn them into balanced.The stock cable has 3x enameled wires, so it needs to be replaced, not just reterminated.
You've sold me, Mr Z - *DT880-250* incoming, regardless of this vid and DMS' feedback re the 'lesser models' notorious DT880 treble. I swore a very long time ago (think HE-6) that any headphone that needed an effing SPEAKER AMP to power it had no place under my roof and you've basically limited the BASX to 3 headphones max (my speakers are powered - again, thanks for the recc). Finally, I'd like to thank you for another totally gonzo review - you normally only gush like this over speakers, but Beyerdynamic is clearly pushing your buttons this month. The only caution I would add for newbies to the channel is that you (like many of us) have a long history of falling madly in love with gear only to ditch it a month or two later for the next 'must have' : as I said, we've all been there. Comparing these to the HE-1 and somewhere north of the LCD-4 will only fan the flames of many on the forums, but I still love your work - far more entertaining than the measurement crowd will ever be. Thanks for the review.
If you could convert these DT880-600ohm to balanced, do you think the THX 789 could power them?
I can hear the cough with my 250 Ohm version of the DT 880s, though it doesn't stand out very much.
I picked up a pair of these years ago, the second nice pair of cans I ever bought (they replaced my DT770 pros) they are wonderful when you have the power
Do you Think they are a lot better than your 770’s?
@@jespervedelrieper1992 I ended up liking them more yeah, though they are open/semi open, vs the closed 770's so I keep both around, they each have their own uses
The cheese cutters are where the gravure went back the days, when you ordered them over their customisation programm, if you choose one. :D
Zeos, please mod these headphone to balanced. I'm very curious how these will sound with a balanced mod, which will give more power.
DT880 600 and other 600 Ohm cans needs volts, not amps. They have very low voltage sensitivity so you need an amp that can swing plenty of output voltage - the amp/watt rating does not need to be high.
This is the correct answer. The trick is because speaker amps are designed to put out a lot of power they can do the voltage. I read some other comments that indicated that OTL tube amps could also do the big voltage swings these need as well.
It's cool to hear about the audio gremlins, I have had times I wonder if I am crazy when I am listening to a track and I hear noises in the background like a dog bark or I've heard discord/skype notification sounds, then I'll mention it to a friend and they're like "I hear nothing", then I have to pull up like audacity and find where it is and be like it's there I was right.
I got these and they are amazing but the left channel stopped working randomly 4 days after I got them so I need to send them to get repaired. I powered them with an old high end Denon Reciever and it worked great. Definitely the best headphone for the price if you can power them. Amazing imaging, great soundstage, and crazy detail.
Its true they are very hard to drive with the same amount of power they were probably about 6-10 decibels quiter than my Argons depending on the amp so they require a lot more power.
Curse you Zeos. I've been wanting to get the A-100 for two years, but could never find a good reason to. I just ordered one and the DT880s.
i feel you, brother...same here with the emotiva...
Make that a 3rd. I just gotta try em now. The lord Zeos has spoken
he will have the power for sure but this comes with ALOT of noise because the a-100 is a SPEAKER amp and has waay higher noise floor than a thx amp.
I have an Emotiva for my Argons and it’s a trade off. The extra power tightens up the bass a little bit but the noise floor is just awful. Funny, Zeos never talks about the terrible background buzz when he’s hyping up the A100.
@@jeremymanton5320 Joshua Valour did talk about that
Watching this using my Argon Mk3s + Emotiva A-100 (which I love because power hungry + plenty of power = god tier audio dynamics). Anyway I will update on thoughts once my new DT880 600Ω arrives!
Had them for a few days now,
Fast. Super clean/clear as a bell. Very detailed especially in the upper-mids on upwards. Amazing and immersive soundstage. Vocals and mids sound great, can feel a little bright/treble-forward at times but not in any particularly fatiguing way (it has a bit of texture to it rather than a sudden and painful sharpness). The biggest con of these headphones seems to be how bass-light they are which can make some deeper vocals & bass notes feel a bit dry, but this is much less of a problem if you really crank the volume (hence why Zeos suggested the Emotiva BasX A-100). Switching from amp to amp the main difference you will notice will be in speed, it feels like a slower amplifier like the Darkvoice just kind of holds it back. A cleaner and faster amp like the 789 will show off how fast it can get, but the volume just isn't quite there to compensate for the bass related problems noted earlier. Finally with the BasX A-100 cranked + some digital dB source reduction, you will notice some interesting and more expressive dynamics as described by Zeos, it will feel very slightly slower than the 789 but not to the extent to where it is really holding it back in any significant way.
Overall a great pair of headphones that are essentially the polar opposite to the Argons that I daily drive, which make them a great companion to have as they both do great things on the A-100. Just make sure that you are in an environment where you can actually blast your open back headphones really loud.
Update:
Tried out some Dekoni Elite Hybrid pads on them and it completely fixed any possible problems with bass (maybe even slightly bass-forward now and a tad V shaped), these things also now move so much air (they already moved a fair bit of air) that you can physically and noticeably feel it on your ears for just about any track now. They also now leak sound like a motherfucker (You might as well use them as mini speakers) so just a warning if you are nearby people.
TLDR: Pad swap to fix any bass problems, the stock pads are very transparent but that also means they let lots of sound (specifically bass) escape from your ears.
@@qazxswedcxzaqws Wow good read thanks for leaving this comment. I have argons with lambskin pads myself but im using the jds labs atom amp I wonder if upgrading my amp would make the argons sound better?
@@MasterMark5 With the argons the biggest difference you would notice would be in width, dynamics, and treble roll-off. The improvement of width in the soundstage is something already quite well known about the argons as many folks online have also mentioned that feeding it more power really does help it open up the soundstage. The dynamics improvement is my favorite part of the A-100, it really helps with your immersion in the sound. The best way I could describe dynamics is: The gap in volume between when somebody is whispering and when somebody is shouting becomes greater, this makes things sound less 'flat'. And finally the treble will noticeably roll-off a bit more, which is honestly a good thing for the argons as their treble can get a little more ear-piercing at times when used on amplifiers with a flatter response.
Some important things to note:
The argons do have a very faint noise floor with the A-100, it will fade away a bit as the A-100 warms up but will still be there.
The A-100 is very big and very heavy, make sure you have room for it.
Other more sensitive headphones could have a greater noise floor that isn't as tolerable.
To get the most out of the A-100 then you have to do the 50w per channel mod described in the booklet you receive with the A-100, then crank the volume to a point where you feel comfortable. (I have mine maxed without issue) But this means you must absolutely digitally limit the DAC otherwise you will seriously damage or even break any headphones you plug in. (e.g. I have typically have my topping D50s set anywhere from -32 dB to -50 dB)
Hope this helps you with your decision!
@@qazxswedcxzaqws Do you think pad swapping will make the dt good with a 789 ?
Just got the DT880 600Ω for my Emotiva BasX-100 and holy shit you are right.
These devices are a match made in heaven.
Great set of headphones I have a pair and use them with a phonitor mini 1w into 600ohm is plenty a keeper for sure.
Did you ever get to listen to the 250 Ohm version of them? I have been eyeing the DT880's ever since i got into headphones, but never got to actually try them.
He's said before that higher ohm versions are superior.
250ohm version is brighter and making it too bright. 600ohm is a bit brighter than neutral but not too much.
There are two videos concerning the 250Ω model:
Initial video: czcams.com/video/wLot10pwujs/video.html
Sound Demo: czcams.com/video/2HtQAUyFOYw/video.html
Had them for year and a half. Tried countless other since and I keep going back to my 880s. I love them. I have the 250ohm coiled one
@@ulpsb What amp do you pair them with? I also have the 250 Ohm version.
THX 789 SE is 100 mW output power for 600 ohms.
I don't think Z realizes that the 789 isn't nearly as powerful when running SE. The Atom has more power.
Meanwhile my BasX is 600mw at 600 ohms and 50w at 8 ohms
@@colin8601 I like them a lot. They aren't the bassiest things around but they are very good. Try out some planars. Once you experience planar bass, you never go back. It's so clean and deep. The Audeze lineup is really good.
I just got these and an element II a week and a 1/2 ago, and it's definatly better than the $50-55 headset I used to use
These headphones gave me fond memories of them. And I used a Razer phone with its dual amp into a portable amp to use them. I'm a heathen I know.
It drained all the batteries like Usain Bolt but it was still amazing.
Also it says 600Ohm on the end of the cord.
NOTE: They seemed easier to power after a lengthy break in.
Ordered my DT880 "Edition" 600Ω headphone three days ago at Byerdynamic in Germany. It arrived Yesterday and boy... you have never been more right about anything Zeos! The energy, the amount of detail revealed, the seemingly natural / flat response, yet not boring. Everything is there. Soundstage and imaging are exceptional. Magic is happening right on your very ears. From the lowest sub-bass to the most crisp highs of cymbals and Hi-Hats. But all in balance. Nothing is exaggerated or emphasised. But the amount of detail it reveals... honestly, I heard things in recordings that I never knew were there! They're a very honest set of headphones in my opinion. What you put into it is what you get out of it. If you put shit into it, you'll get shit out of it. But a perfectly mastered track will come out like magic. My Soundblaster AE-9 is driving the DT880 headphone perfectly at 600Ω. I am totally excited, and it might even get better after some burn-in time. One final word: AMAZING !!!
Then he is not right about that they need that amount of power.... THX 789 with 6 Watts per channel and he is complaining. Your Soundcard is way more weaker (a lot) and you praising it as wery good sounding. That means he is overdramatic about it? Mine are on the way to me..... so time will tell. I have a few 600h Ohm Headphones and drive them well with just 1 Watt per channel. Amp Headphone synergy is the key word here not power. So why we need to pay for for headphones 1.000 and more... snake oil!
@Relentless Hi. It is not that important if device can push up to 600 Ohms. Specialy for the DT 880 it is best when your Dac/Headphone AMP gives higher Ohms resistance on the Headphone Jack. Most company push 1 Ohm and below because of the noise ration. This is true with lower impedance HP trend on the market, but when you have a 600 Ohm gem of a headphone and an AMP pushing 10 Ohm and best 100 Ohm restisten on the Headphone Jack.... You'r golden.... best experiance you can have similar to the realy realy expensive headphones. It is difficult to find such DaC/AMP's. I know one the Beyedynamic 100 AMP and the Topping D30/A30 combo. My AMP is pushin 16Ohms on the headphone jack and it sounds great.... But my dream is to get a 100 Ohm AMP just for the DT 880 600Ohm edition.... Great headphones.
@Relentless Thats why I wrote it is difficult, everybody is following the trend of low impendance. This what I wrote is only applaying for 600Ohm Headphones. Not many people have that kind of headphones and less know thatwith this typ of headphones you need higher output between 10 - 100 Ohm impendance for the headphones to really shine. Power is not an issue 1-2 Watts perchannel is enough everything else is snake oil. Just a new trend to follow and to buy.
@Relentless look for used gear. Topping A30 is cheap and the Beyedynamic 100 AMP is also not that expensive, you can get it between 150-200€ or look for cheaper chinese stuff. It is hard but you have to look for high impendance out of the Headphone Jack thats it for 600 Ohm HP to realy shine or leave it as it is as long as you'r satisfied. I use the DT880 with a Audio GD R2R Dac/Amp with 16 Ohms on the Headphone Jack.... Sounds great.... but the iching how would it sound with a 100 Ohm impendance at the Headphone Jack? One day I will get both Topping A30 and the Beyerdynamic 100 Amp (it is not a coincidence that this AMP has 100 Ohm on HP Jack and that when you use low impendance Headphones on it they sound lifeless and sterile?)
Hi, can you please share your settings? I just got this headphones and I have a SB AE-7. I am using direct mode.
I wonder how different the 250 ohm version is compared to this. I have the 250 ohm version which I use with my v30, and i really enjoy it
I had the 250 ohm. They where fine, but not the best I've had imo. So I guess the 600 ohm must be better... If they get enough power. Makes me think of me trying planars on low wattage amps. Where it sounded god awful. I could get enough volume, but so tinny. Until I trie them on powerful amp, then godlike. Such a contrast.
I love my 250ohm 880s. My main
Love my DT 990 600 ohms with Element II
Epic review. Maybe the best you’ve done? 🤭👍🏽
What about the crack amp? It powers my 600ohm 990s fine. Or is this a different animal? Those mx 300s are great btw thanks for that!
OTL tube amps are made for high impedance headphones. The voltage output increases proportionally with the headphone impedance which is why your crack has no problem with them. Apparently Zeos doesn't know this because he didn't plug them into his darkvoice which would also be able to drive those cans to ear bleeding levels.
I didn’t wait for a Bass X owner to comment. I bought them (via affiliate link) with the express purpose of voiding the warranty to balance mod them for dual mono 3.5mm. Everything he describes about background noise is what makes me giddy with my $2800 ZMF Verite Closed. I have to know if they even compete without cost playing a factor.
follow up?
Avocado Tree I did it. Except I used 4 pin miniXLR. 789 powers them now.
@@The4thaggie but how do they compare ??
Following.
Zeos is pimping those wallpapers
I just got this a few days ago, waiting on my mail more intently now. Lol
No freaking way! I just received mine in the mail :0
This gotta be DESTINY!
I'm comfortably running them on my X6 and Little Dot MK2
And, it says 600Ω on the cable (right next to the tip :)
@@burgulize you mean the FX Audio DAC-X6?
@@progste Yes.
8 months later - still amazing.
Zeos, it says 600 ohms on the 3.5 mm plug's body.
These are actually pretty darn good!!!
Zeos i have found a couple of decent amps to run my DT880 600Ω. The first amp is the Marantz PM6006 UK Edition and the second is the Cambridge Audio AXR100.
Zeos, is the king of hype....
Ok, i have a DT880 600Ω, a magni heresy, and an A-100. Long Story short, just get the heresy if you want the DT880s (you should).
Ok long story
First are the specs.
The heresy can output 215mW at 600Ω
The A-100 can out put a hellofalotmoarrr!!!! at 600Ω
The 789 as a reference can do 100mW at 600Ω
On quiet songs you will max out the heresy
On normal songs (95% of songs) the heresy will give you the power you need and will only distort at unhealthy volumes.
The A-100 can go louder than the heresy but will start to distort at the same db level as the heresy.
I can imagine that the 789 might have issues powering the DT880s since it has half the power of the heresy.
Now for Sound quality between the amps . . .
FUCK I DONT KNOW!
They might be the same, they might be a little different. I did not prefer one over the other. I'm no seasoned audiophile with a wall of amps and headphones.
The DT880 600Ω are totes epic thoo.
My main rig is an L700 and i wouldn't mind going a few days without it with the DT880s around.
I've been trying to find out for a while if it's worth having the hd58x AND the dt880? I love my 58x and reeeally want a dt880 but I feel like they fit the same purpose/price range within a headphone collection? Any thoughts? :) The Tygr also complicates things now
Felt the same way with my A-100 vs my 789 using argons. Zeos says they sing on the A-100 but honestly I don't notice any difference except the noise floor of the A-100 drives me nuts. It's currently sitting in it's box and haven't felt like getting it out at all. Maybe I'll pick up the 880s and give it another shot. I just keep it around for the possibility of needing that power some day.
@@Feenicks30 Never Had the 58x but i have read that the 58x are warmer and have more bass.
Aidan O' Keeffe I sold my 58x’s and bought the 880’s. Don’t regret it one bit!
@@ethanwasserman4054 ooh no way? Would you consider them better in most aspects? What do you drive them with?
These are sooooo Good!
I think this is quite possibly your most entertaining review. I've got these and run them off an Asgard 3--good, but I don't know that I get this level of satisfaction from them.
The Asgard 3 appears to have 1/2 the power you need, 300mW at 600 ohms. It seems the highest satisfied commenters here are running 600mW headphone amps on them at 600 ohms, such as the "Audio GD NFB-1"($800), or 670mW Gustard H20($1,300 ??), or modded Emotiva A-100 ($200).