Do Not Use Synthetic Engine Oil
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This video is about an oil recommendation for a specific air cooled lawn tractor engine only during its break-in period. This video is not about any other engines or any engine oil brands.
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I used synthetic oil in all the engines I rebored myself . No trouble, it just take a bit longer to run in ! We used oil for diesel engines on newly machined engines until such time that the engine is worn and use oil and then we switch over to oil for petrol engines. This way we had NO engine wear for more than 300 000 km !!!!!
Used synthetic on a 20 year old generator and when it finally died, it was not the motor that died, was the stator. The engine still running like day one. Of course you should use standard oil for the initial break in! Everything in my household including my 84 Yamaha two stroke dirt bike uses Synthetic oil. I learned something on this video: DO NOT BUY ANYTHING WITH KOHLER ENGINE!
Yes, I've had my experience with synthetic oil in the K-66 hydrostatic axle and it wasn't a good experience. Turns out the recommended oil by the manufacture is more suited for northern states, not hot weather states in the deep south. Synthetic oil will only do it's job in extreme heat if it's the proper grade.
I wouldnt trust mobile 1. I used it 1 time and started getting lifter tick, flushed it all out and went back to valvoline,no problrms
@@shadowopsairman1583 may be change Ur oil n filters every 10000.0miles be for U sludge her up there video playing brother
I've put synthetic in everything from cars trucks motorcycles Small engines etc and it's always worked fine for me.
Yes same here!
I also use synthetic as it tolerates heat better than conventional, and lets face it, air cooled engines run on the hot side. I still do my oil/filter changes at the 50 hr interval as in the Kawasaki manual.
I run it in my Miller Trailblazer 302 welder. No problems. It's a fuel injected Kohler.
It was working for me also
Germany ran the military on synthetic oil towards the end of the war.
I had a 1981 corvette. I built the engine myself and only used synthetic motor oil. Over 40,000 miles of extremely hard driving, driving that would crystallize a new set of brake pads in a couple of hours. When I took the motor apart it was as clean as the day I put it together. Bearing clearance unchanged. I only use synthetic oil, that sold me.
The newer High detergent petroleum base was would do the exact same thing they're both good oils they both have their own good qualities I myself use nothing but straight 30 weight in the winter straight 40 to 50 weight in the summer depending on how hot it is you cannot find a synthetic that goes that high and and just like you when I pulled my engine apart with high mileage that's clean as it gets maintenance
Its not the bearings that suffer, flat tappet cams need zinc, new synthetic oils do not have ot and even the conventional oil available today doesn't have enough, you have to get diesel oil like Rotella T to get zinc. without zinc your cam will go flat before 100k miles, and it makes no difference how hard or fast you drive, that changes nothing.
I have used Mobil #1 For YEARS have never had Any of my engines Fail from it, EVER Now of course I change oil every 5,000 miles on Gasoline engines or before depends how hard I BEAT on them.
I used that brand recently and required oil 5w 20w and now I have oil drips ?
@@integr8er66 Castrol has high levels of zinc
As a master engine and compressor technician I will give it to you simple. Do not use synthetic lubricates while breaking in an engine " seating the rings" but after that it is preferred in almost every situation. The reason is simple. synthetic oils are very good at what they do so you tend to see incorrect crosshatching take while using them to cut the rings. this causes a glazed cylinder and poor oil retention after a few hours of the breaking in. Sometimes the glazing is so bad re-ringing is required. Use petroleum oil for break in and synthetic from then on out. Ingersoll Rand master Technician XLE.PHE.Type 30 over 28 years and 22 years master Diesel mechanic for Ingersoll Rand , Wakiesha, Caterpillar, and Caterpillar energy division. department of energy consultant for emergency generator operations and reliability.
I don’t dispute your input, but I have built many engines and started off with either Mobil 1, or Amsoil and never had an issue, ATV’s and Motorcycles In including 237 Maxidyne, 3406 Caterpillar, and 400 Cummins using the synthetic oil in the shop at the time.
Here's one for yall, drive it like u got some sense. Like grand ma slow and smooth 😅 but I agreed about the break in oil. Super important 👏
I'm 70 years old, I spent 4 years at GMAD (General Motors Assembly Division), 1978-1982, I spent 15 years as a chev mechanic at an Atlanta Area dealership, also spent 2 years at a phone center processing and ok'ing under 600.00 auto repairs for a Automotive Protection company, I've researched synthetic oil for over 10 years and have used either Mobil 1 or Amsoil 100% synthetic motor oil since 1978. So I've used synthetic motor oil for 44 years without 1 single oil related failure. So I doubt that you'll have much luck changing my mind. I don't have a tractor.
Well I did not try to convince anyone of anything. This is a video strictly about an air cooled engine not an automotive engine . I never said to not ever use synthetic oil !!! Kohler recommended not to use it during break-in only , that's it .
My yr 2000 E55 Amg says Mobil 1 0W-30 European, gotta follow da specs
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@@thelonewrangler1008if you live long enough, you’ll likely need dentures too.
Thanks so much for your extensive knowledge of synthetic oils. I am a female and I have a Ford f-250 going on the production line March 6, 23 at 67 I’m sure this will be my last order. I asked Scotty if I should change the factory oil and put synthetic in when I get her home?? What do you think?? I greatly would appreciate your opinion, thanks Judy
I’ve used 100% synthetic from new to 300k plus. Absolutely ZERO problems.
Mobil Extended Performance is awesome!
What that tells me is that synthetic oil is far superior to conventional oils. If the engine won't "break in" with synthetic then it isn't wearing any of the engine parts. An engine "break in' is the wearing of the cylinder walls and rings also called "seating" the rings. I use synthetic oil in everything I own and have for many years. I change my own oil and ship a sample off to Blackstone Labs to have it analyzed for wear metals and contaminants. 130,000 miles on my Town and Country, 75,000 miles on my wife's Honda CR-V, 19,000 miles on my Harley Davidson and every oil analyzation has come back indicating no wearing metals or contamination. My Harley and CR-V came from the factory with synthetic and will see nothing different as long as I own them. One other thing, I rather think Kohler lawn tractor engines are not manufactured to the same specifications as todays automotive and motorcycle engines.
I've used synthetic oil in all my engines for the last 20+ years with no problems.
Reason manufacturers say dont use synthetic oil is it makes your engine last too-long bad for repeat. Business
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There has been many study’s on this. Synthetic works so well that the manufacturers want you to break in with conventional because it allows wear. Synthetic slows the wear down so much it takes much longer for break in.
I just run breakin oil for cam lifters my toy has Teflon coated bearings as well as some components. After my guy tuned it and camshaft breakin in goes synthetic with zddp
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When I used to build vintage Porsche engines i used to run non detergent for a good 500 miles like motorcycle builds.
Steve, get a hot plate. Find two pans you don't care about. Pour synthetic in one and conventional in the other. Apply heavy heat to both until they evaporate but not catch on fire. The synthetic will almost completely evaporate other than the additives and the conventional will leave behind sludge. In modern engines that sludge builds up over time and restricts engine seals from conditioners in the oil that keep them from cracking and leaking oil.
Need a reference for my rant? My entire family attended a college just northwest of Houston that has one of, if not the best petroleum engineering programs in the world. You have no idea what you are talking about and are going off of what small engine manuals are saying. In every conceivable metric, synthetics have a higher specific heat capacity, have better viscous characteristics, and protect better before the additive package is even considered. Honda, Toyota, and many other mainstream manufacturers are all calling for synthetic from day 1. They want to require it for two purposes. 1) It protects the engine better and reduces the amount of warranty claims. This reduces their liabilities. 2) People that cheap out can be denied warranty claims, reducing their liabilities.
There's a thousand tests on CZcams regarding the capabilities of synthetic vs conventional, but God bless you for reading a paperback manual. "Here's your sign..." - Bill Engvall
My 1962 221 ford would not agree with you
I think the point of the video is to illustrate that synthetic oils lubricate so well, that parts you WANT to wear into each other, like iron rings into iron cylinder bores, won't. I remember learning this in high school auto shop back in the mid 80s.
Modern engine piston rings are designed with synthetic oil in mind.
I use synthetic oil in everything (cars, trucks, tractors, log splitter, etc.) and have for 30 years with NO problems.
I have used synthetic oil for my Toyota Camry 2009 since day one and it's been with me for 12 wonderful years. I haven't experienced any problem with its engine. It has been running like new. No leakage, no unusual engine noise, and no deviation from its usual maintenance.
"traditional" advice Is to use regular oil for break-in but u may use whichever, this is why that advice is given (metal shavings are not engine friendly)
The reason for using standard petroleum oils for break in is, the film strength of synthetic oils is 6 times stronger than petroleum based oils and the rings need the friction to "wear in" and seat properly. With the higher film strength the friction is reduced and break in takes much longer. The lower film strength of petroleum based oils allows for more friction and more wear on the ring/piston surfaces which enables a faster break in.
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Some people talk about this, but there seems to be zero hard data on this. Its all assumptions. I run 100% synthetic from little engines to my pulling engines... no ring sealing issues ever.
Every new vehicle I've purchased drove off the dealership lot went home city driving between 2 and 20 miles immediately changed the oil to synthetic and the filter. Never obeyed a break-in period. None of my vehicles ever showed signs of blow by or oil consumption. Even after 100k or more miles. Yeah I would believe more the fact this is a old wives tale to keep people from switching from conventional to synthetic. If it took that much for piston rings to seat every diesel engine ever made would be a complete failure before ever going to Market. Those compression ratios would never be reached 15,18 to 1 if rings didn't seat at assembly. Real talk.
My 17 yr old daughter had a 78 buick. Engine locked and stalled her on highway. Called me to pick her up . Got to her location checked oil, nothing on stick, I had one quart of mobil synthetic in truck. I dumped that in and started the vehicle. Without a problem, we drove back to home, i changed oil and filter complete. Drove car for two years and sold it. Car is still is on the road as i know, I'm sold on synthetic oil for all my engines large and small.
Synthetic oil is much better than natural oil in every case. Synthetic oil will break down less and has a much tighter bell-shaped curve. My engines last forever. I only use synthetic oil.
100% Agree!
LOL I worked as a contractor for Castrol Oil few years ago. The comments of all self-proclaim experts on here is more entertaining than a good movie!!!
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My dad monitored his gas mileage religiously. He changed his own oil as well. One time they didn’t have the regular oil at his viscosity. He bought synthetic oil instead. He found out he got 2 mpg better gas mileage. He had a Silverado v8. Synthetic is a superior blend of oil.
I've used mobil-1 synthetic since 1974 approximately in all my vehicles including 2 stroke engines. Never ever have i had a problem
for more detail for those that dont know. new engines have cross hatchings roughed into the walls to act like a cutter on the piston rings. this grinds down the high points of the pistons rings so they wear into the cylinder wall shape. this closes any gaps, creates a better seal, increases efficiency and reduces blow by and oil consumption. synthetic is a better lubricant that reduces the cutting process, the hatchings smooth out over time so if the rings arnt cut enough before the sidewalls smooth then you will have a worse off engine. its ok to use otherwise. also adding pressure to the cylinder like mid range acceleration helps break in as the cylinder pressure pushes the rings out harder towards the walls better helping the break in, thats why going too easy and letting a new engine idle for too long is bad.
Hey, thank you for the interesting info. If it helps the engine last longer, I'm all for it. They are lasting much longer than they were 20+ years ago. Sold my '05 LaCrosse, and it was running very well, no problems ( I refuse to use the very overused word "issues". We all should). Now I'm gonna repeat with my new (to me) 2017 LaCrosse Premium, and change the oil every 3000 miles. I prefer Valvoline over Mobil 1.
Used Mobil 1 in everything zero problems in the last 15 years
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My brother bought a used Toyota Tercel years ago. After he bought it, with about 60K miles or so, he changed the oil to Mobil 1 synthetic. Years later, after about 275K miles, he called me over to help fix an oil leak. The valve cover gasket needed to be changed. When I pulled the valve cover off, the internals looked like they were Brand New! I've been using Mobil 1 in everything I own since then. It's Never let me down.
years ago.... my father was an engineer at GM. They set up SEVERAL motors in a huge room and just let them run until they "locked up". He was all smiles when he told me Mobil 1 was the only one that didn't lock up. That motor just kept going and going.
That was the 250 test, if memory serves correctly.
That was years ago 🙄 modern synthetics are formulated more to not damage emission systems and lubricate tight tolerance engines now than protect this type of engine. A synthetic for Diesel engines may be a better choice but why would you not want to run a break in oil for the first few hours 🤔
I change my oil every 8K with Mobil1,costs a bit but protection and advantage is priceless..
I have used Mobil 1 since I bought my 2006 Silverado, with 40k Miles, in 2009. I have 511,000 miles and still going here in 2024.
I even tore down the top end in 2018 for a ticking noise and replaced the lifters and push rods (found bent push rods) and the motor was clean inside. I change the oil regularly as I do all the maintenance.
If anyone else has this issue with the 5.3L Gen 3 engine, I recommend replacing with the LS7 lifters and chrome molly push rods.
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20 years ago when engine block bores were finished they needed to be worn in or broken in because the tool marks had to be smoothed out by the piston rings for a good seal. The engines that are bored in the last 20 years have this additional finishing operation called plateau honing which artificially breaks the engine in. It smoothes out the top surfaces of the tool marks and prepares the bores for sealing without breaking in.
When I replaced a cylinder head on a 92' Dodge Spirit...I saw the cylinder bores were like brand new looking - still had the honing marks...no ridge wear at top of cylinders...car had 120,000 miles...I was completely amazed!
I’m a Koehler generator tech, all we use is synthetic lol
Tech, do you have any idea who makes your koehler oil? Especially your lawn mower oils?
Buy a quality lawn tractor with a quality engine, use synthetic and run it forever
That's the plan!
Literally all I use. All my vehicles are 200k-400k miles and zero issues.
Since 1993 I've been using Mobile One oil in all my new cars. My 1998 Ford F+250 with a 4.6L, I bought New with 68 miles on it. Now it's a little rough on the body but 380,000 miles later and the engine still runs and starts like new. Always well maintained and always Mobile One oil. My 2012 GMC 2500 I bought new, now has 153,000 miles also Mobile One. And My 1993 Honda Civic I got new right after college. Now my niece drives it with over 350,000 miles on it before the odometer stopped working also started its life on Mobile one too.
I have been using Synthetic Oil for the past 16 years with my Toyota Tacoma.
My 06 Scion xa made it to 326k on original engine on synthetic oil then after an engine swap I drove car until 447k then original transmission went along with 2nd engine...
I've been running Mobil 1 synthetic in every car and motorcycle I've owned since 1991, and my dad has been using it since the late '70s. We're both big believers in how great it is, and the incredibly low amount of wear and 'gunk' in the engine is impressive. When you see an engine with 150,000 + miles on it, and the cams barely have wear marks, and there's no crap in the valve covers, even in the corners, it shows how great it works.
Been using mobile one for at least 25 years, no engine issues from the oil, engine SO clean inside
Engine "issues"? Now we're having engine "issues", as if the word isn't overused enuff. I agree with you, BTW. But Valvoline scores a bit higher than Mobil 1.
I have been using Mobil1 5w-20 synthetic for the pass 15 years on the same truck, couldn't been happier and I only change oil, filter and air filter every 12.000 miles...
They want you to use conventional oil at first because it allows a tiny bit of wear to break in the engine. The synthetic doesn't provide enough friction to break in the engine. That should tell you which you want to use in the long run.
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Straight to the point answer.💪
I have been in the landscape industry for over 40 years. In that time, we have always used Amsoil in our trucks.
Opti-4 in the four strokes and Opti-2 in the two strokes. Along with that, we put Star Tron in all the small engine fuel.
Never have had an oil related problem in our machines. Also never have had any fuel related problems.
I know everyone is different but that is my experience with small engines and trucks.
I have a push mower I bought from Sears in 2010, has a B&S platinum engine. I've used nothing but synth in it and it starts first time in the spring with one pull. I also use non-ethanol gas too. It runs super great!! No leaks of any kind and it does not burn any oil that I can notice. The syth oil I use is specifically for lawn mowers. Not for cars.
Mobile one in Honda Odyssey 480,000 still runs great and changed every 7-8,000 miles
That manual was probably written 20+ years ago. I use synthetic, AMSOIL in everything I have.
Well it's a new lawn tractor but the technology in air cooled engines have not changed as much as water cooled . We can only go by what the experts recommend as their proving the warranty and the specifications . Cheers Steve
@@SteveRobReviews Vanguard engines require synthetic 15W-50. They put synthetic 15W-50 in the sump from the factory
@@ezrawaters6653 Interesting how some engineers build engines requiring different lubricants.
@@SteveRobReviews its not so interesting its simple,more uniform molecules,better protection,but these synthetic oils are not true synthetics,only amsoil is a true synthetic base. Read up on the lawsuit that allows these oils to be graded synthetic,they are dino oil. amsoil is a true synthetic!
Amsoil is all hype for the money unless your a professional race driver.
My CLK serviced by Mercedes has only had Shell Ex 5 40 oil for over 200,000 miles with no Engine repairs , the modern oils have improved a lot over time
A modern automobile engine is built with low tension rings that are extremely precise, and as near perfectly round when installed as possible. The top ring is for cylinder sealing, the second ring is no longer considered a compression ring, rather it is used to scape oil downed away from the piston, and is actually tapered; wider at the bottom than the top. The oil control rings and collector get most of that done still. But today’s engine metallurgy is so good that the rings are round, the cylinder is round, and not of these parts wear, or break in, so synthetic oil is fine, right from the start. Lawn mower engines are pretty old tech. The cast rings and low quality cylinders really do need to break in to each other. Just like airplane engines. Old tech. So a basic mineral oil is best to get the break in done. Another thing about the oil you use. Zinc, dialkyl, not diary, is only necessary where points of impact is extremely high is concerned, that’s the only place that’s neededRocker tip tp pushrod or to vale tip, flat tapped lifters to cam. Synthetic oil pretty much does that for you. And running synthetic oil where leaded gas is used is not recommended because the spaces between the molecules of the synthetic oil are too small to scavenge the lead with an oil change. The lead then stays behind and causes all kinds of problems, like centrifuging in the crankshaft lube holes, blocking them off. That’s why some manufacturers pulled their synthetic oil for aircraft use. I am retired from GM Engineering and trading, and past member of the SAE.
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I read they started doing that in 1988 with a lot of cars. Scumbags...
I’m an old man who has used a lot of mower engines and my Koehler has been the best engine ever. When time comes to changing the oil it still looks gold. Amazing engine 👍🏼
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I was unlucky (stupid) or (uninformed) enough to buy a Husqvarna riding mower with the cheap Kohler Courage engine. It started knocking really loud on starts and stops at 62 hours of use. I replaced it with a new engine and now that one knocks loudly on starts and stops with about 70 hours of use. Maybe it's something stupid causing the knock. dunno But, I'm running the second one until it blows.
The older small block Kholers were good, the newer Kholers aren't anything I will buy. Actually going with the Vanguard 37 hp on Exmarks Lazer Z X series
Going on 300000 miles on my old ford f-150. Still runs great. Have always used only synthetic oil.
Full synthetic on a Suzuki swift. 11 years old, 340000 klms on the clock. Still runs great and doesn't burn oil.
Enough said.
That's great but this video is all about an air cooled Kohler mower engine . Enough said :)
I run mobile 1 full synthetic in everything I own. Except my 2015 International Lonestar semi with an ISX Cummins and it gets Rotella T5 semi synthetic. My 2017 Chevy Silverado, 2001 Dodge Dakota, 2011 Toyota Tacoma, 2018 Toyota Corolla IM and my Husqvarna 22hp Briggs 54” cut zero turn. NONE OF THEM have ANY leaks, 0 oil consumption. And I change the vehicles every 5,000 and they all still look gold. Dodge has 213,000 miles, Tacoma has 94,000 miles, Silverado has 60,000 miles, Corolla IM has 42,000 miles, and lawn mower has 110 hours.
ZERO PROBLEMS. And the semi has 559,000.. zero issues there too and 0 consumption.
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I just started going with full synthetic , 3.6 engine , reason switching i read up more on synthetic plus timing chain issues. So decided just go synthetic, i glanced at dipstick the other day , about a quart not quite down and 3,300 on oil and oil was getting dirty, decided just change it
I put synthetic oil in everything except my coffee
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The 0W16 blends well with decaf.
Other than rashes, my skin is wonderful. Works great with high fiber diets.
I know the Amsoil rep who brought it to the Northwest in the late 70s, who was a genius at self promotion. He cleaned out an Amsoil additive bottle and put pancake syrup in it in order to get folks attention! That way he would break the ice and introduce them to his products!
My car comes from the manufacturer stating to USE synthetic Mobil One Oil. Since 2005, I have had ZERO problems with my car(Nissan 350Z). In fact, I now have 283,000 miles on it with no issues and, no oil leaks, smoking or extra oil consumption.
....... Do your own thing folks !
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I’m a retired Mobil lubricant specialist for 35 years.
Some equipment manufacturers can recommend mineral based oils before using synthetic because mineral oil creates more friction and wear than synthetic oils…so the 1st few hours is for the settling of the moving parts.
Use mineral oils If there were no break-in done by the manufacturer. If there was a break-in done, then you can start with synthetic right a way.
Kholer or any other small engine doesn’t need synthetic oil. Mobil 1 in those engines is an overkill. Synthetic PAO based Mobil 1 is excellent for any cars and Mobil Delvac 1 ESP is the same for heavy trucks and machineries.
I have used Mobil sinc 1998 in a vehicle I own. That vehicle now has 188,000 miles on it and is still running fine.
We purchased a 2003 Ford 5.4L F-150 SuperCrew 4x4 with only 5,400 miles on it. It came with Mobil One Full Synthetic in it. I always replaced it with full synthetic 5W20 as RECOMMENDED in the owners manual, specifically Mobil One brand. At roughly 70,000 miles when changing oil and filter, I failed to notice the oil filter seal remained stuck to the engine block. When the new filter was installed, it naturally failed to seal, but not noticing it, I drove it 35 miles home that night from my son's house. The problem was discovered the next day when checking the dip-stick, I noticed it was bone dry. Yep, no oil in the engine. I removed the filter, discovered the root-cause, fixed the problem, and promptly put in an additional 6 quart of Mobil One Full Synthetic oil, and cranked it up and drove it.
Several years later, after numerous additional oil and filter changes (yes, done properly without repeat incident!!) when we sold that truck with 300,000 miles on it, the motor was FACTORY SEALED. The engine had never been opened since that truck left the factory. The only work ever done in the engine bay was to replace the alternator once and the battery twice; but the engine remained FACTORY SEALED at 300,000 miles. The valve covers had NEVER been off that engine. I have never heard of an engine going 300,000 miles and remaining factory sealed. I understand that it is still being driven since having sold it.
So, when you declare no one should use Mobil One or any other brand of full synthetic oil, I ask why and what's the difference between your experience and mine? But I am sold on full synthetic motor oil and will never switch back, at least not until someone testifies they've run an engine on regular oil for 70,000 miles, drained the oil out it, ran it 35 miles with no oil, then put regular motor oil back in it, and it last and additional 230,000 miles while remaining FACTORY SEALED. When you do (or anyone does) that, then I'll listen.
In the meantime, I run premium grade full synthetic. And my preference, is Mobil One Full Synthetic.
Brett at no time did I say not to ever use synthetic engine oil for all engines at any time . I did relay the manual recommendations to not use it for that specific engines break-in procedure. The title says " do not use synthetic engine oil " but I was quite clear as to the context so it's don't read a book by its cover or a video title as the title is a guide to what the videos about so one must watch and listen to the exact massaging . Cheers 👍
Synthetic oil differs only in base oil
It’s molecularly perfect where conventional is full of contaminants and is sheer unstable due to differing sizes of the molecular structure
When we built older hot rod engines with Chromoly rings back in the day, we always broke them in with conventional oil. We usually ran Pennzoil because it is pretty poor oil and really allowed those ring packages to seat. Newer engines come with low drag, low tension rings for better fuel economy (speaking of passenger cars and trucks). They will break in fine with synthetic oils. Synthetic oils do last longer as far as break down, but they get dirty and contaminated just as fast as conventional oils. As a technician and OEM automotive instructor for 32+ years I have learned to run Synthetic oil on high performance or engines with power adders (supercharger or turbo), but still change the oil at a 3 to 4k interval because of normal consumption and the oil becoming laden with acids and becoming contaminated with byproducts of combustion. Synthetic oil is superior oil, but a waste of money if it is not needed because it DOES NOT allow extended service intervals in my professional opinion. The biggest problem newer engines face is carbon due to oil burning in the engine from the PCV system causing buildup on Intake valves and causing piton rings to stick to the ring lands of the piston. These issues cause drivability and oil consumption problems because the rings no longer have sealing tension against the cylinder wall, and carbon on the valves absorbs fuel from the injectors. I solve these issues with professional strength engine de-carbonizing chemicals ran through the intake manifold and fuel injectors. I also run catch cans on my PCV systems to capture the oil that causes these conditions. Just my personal observations over the last three decades.
I use synthetic in everything. My son ran out of oil and drove until it wouldn't go any farther. Fixed the leak. Filled it back up with synthetic. Started it and drove 20k more miles
I've been using synthetic oil for twenty years in my 1995 ford van. I have 422k miles on the original engine. Never been rebuilt!
Thats a modular v8 right... Not uncommon. I know a guy with a similar year the transmission was a POS according to him, and have personally driven a few mustangs of that era with stout engines. Rest of the car was completely falling apart. So its all relative the whole thing lasting 300k might be better.
The reason some new engines spec synthetic oil from the start is due to the new “plateau honing” process used to finish the cylinder. In the old days when a cylinder was bored and then honed the honing would leave a cross hatch pattern with microscopic sharp ridges in the cuts that lay in the cross hatch pattern. When you started the engine for the first time these sharp ridges would lay down or flatten to some extent leaving a fairly smooth surface with a small cross hatch channel that holds oil for lubrication. This would be your common break in as the rings wear into the cylinder wall flattening the sharp ridges and seating to the surface that remains after. This is also one reason why it was important to change oil fairly soon after break in period. Now with modern technology the honing process has been modified with what is now referred to as plateau honing. In this process the same cross hatch pattern is cut into the cylinder but a final process with a plateau hone follows laying over the sharp ridges left by the honing process leaving a perfect surface for rings to ride on and receive perfect lubrication, maximum seal, and less friction. This is the new process that allows engines to run with little to know break in as the rings are basically installed into a perfect ring seal environment before the engine has ever even been started. This along with hydraulic rollerized valve train make break nothing like what it once was. Not every manufacturer is utilizing this technology and not every engine uses valve train that allows for this either. Hope this helps and great video!
Good comments! My Honda has both and I'm not sure how long they have been doing this but it helps to minimize early engine failures.
Thanks for the information never would've known about this.
@@jamesmedina2062 The sunnen hone stone catalogue actually recommends a different set of stones for Hondas much finer than most, possibly due to the materials used for the blocks. Hondas of old were made of good stuff even the engine bearings were coded meaning basically the engines were measured individually and assembled with the correct tolerances ie blueprinted. As for the newer Hondas i dont know i suspect they are not what they used to be.
@@grantreid8583 The only true engine related failures that I have seen for Honda small engines is from people just topping up the oil and never changing it.
Two systems typically take the beating.
1. The proverbial 'Easy Start' system that holds the exhaust valve open ever so slightly,so there's almost no compression when pulling the cord. A centrifugal system engages the exhaust valve back in to full operation closure at relatively low RPMS.
The other is valve lash.
I've seen collective wear to have the lash gap be as much as 20 thousandths. Supposed to be around 4 thousandths.
Newer cars and trucks come from factory with synthetic. Newer engines use low tension piston rings to increase mileage. Use of regular oil will destory the engine .Synthetic shines at startup and cold weather
The reason you need to break in a new engine on the break in non-full synthetic is because. Synthetic oil has such a superior, film, strength, that the rings can not scratch themselves into fitting the cylinder perfectly. You have to use the oil with the not so good lubricating film strength to allow the piston rings to contact the cylinder walls so that the rings will get polished/worn into the proper shape conforming to the bore…
by the way. All multiweight oils, Whether they are labeled as full, synthetic, semi synthetic, or not labeled as any synthetic, they are actually partly synthetic. To get the multi different weights, they have polymers added..Polymers are synthetic. 10 W 30 motor oil has polymers added to give it that multi temperature rating. It acts like 10 weight oil at the low test temperature set by the API, and it acts like 30 wt at the upper test temperature. 10W-40 motor oil has more polymers than 10W-30 to get that wider range ..To get that multi temperature rating, the oil has polymers added, the wider, the spread ratio on the weight, the more polymers are added to the oil.
I have been using mobile one oil in my cars and trucks since I believe the 1970s was when that first appeared on the market. The advertisement pitch they used was, the once a year or 25,000 mile oil. I liked that so I switched to it. I only change my oil once a year and I do not use fram filters or any other filters that has fram make their filters for them.. I use Purolator filters mostly. And I generally put less than 10,000 miles a year on my vehicles. I have never had an oil related failure in any of my vehicles… One of my vans I bought new in 1977, I had that van for 31 years. And it drove away when I sold it to a scrap yard…
I never add aftermarket additives to oil, and I always use the required weight of oil. I let my oil completely drain for hours, sometimes overnight. You would be amazed at how much oil continues to drip from an engine overnight. I only change my oil after I have had the vehicle running on the highway not in the driveway for at least an hour. The detergent in the oil. keeps the grit, gum, soot, acid, metal particles, sludge, and corrosion, suspended in the oil, so that it can be flushed out when you drain the oil.. I also attach a powerful magnet to my drain plug.
I do not use high mileage labeled oils. Those oils sometimes have additives that are designed to make rubber gaskets and O-rings swell up hopefully to reduce or eliminate oil leaks in high mileage engines…
I always always always fill the oil filter with fresh oil to burp the air out of the filter element so the engine does not starve for oil on a start up after draining waiting for the oil filter to be filled by the oil pump when the car starts..
I have never had anyone, but me change the oil in my vehicles ever. Because if you go to a place to have your oil changed, they are not going to let the oil drain even for five minutes. If you drop your car off to have the oil changed somewhere, they may let your car sit for hours, until the engine is cold, and all of the contaminants suspended in the detergent of the oil will settle in the sludge at the bottom of the engine again, and it will not come out when they pull the car in cold and drain the cold oil. I drain my oil when it is so hot, I will have the car running. When I get home, I will leave it idling, while I get the tools and the oil pan to catch the old oil in place, then I shut the car off and pull the plug while it is too hot to handle…
I leave the hood of the vehicle opened while the oil drains so that I don’t forget that there is no oil in the engine yet. I have known people that have drained the oil and forgot to put the oil in, and they drove away…
so don’t think just because you are buying oil that is not labeled synthetic. That it is not synthetic. If it has a multiweight rating, it is partly synthetic.
If you have a new car or motorcycle. It’s best to use the oil specified by the manufacturer. Especially the oil filters. I have seen Honda reject a warranty fix on a Honda Goldwing motorcycle because the owner was using a Chinese made chrome oil filter… The owners manual of every motorcycle I have seen, I’ve worked in the motorcycle industry for 17 years, every owners manual specifically states to use OEM parts, which includes filters.. that customer that had that damaged engine that Honda refused to repair because of the cheap aftermarket oil, filter, failure, that customer ended up buying a salvaged engine from a salvage yard, and he paid to have that engine installed even though his motorcycle was technically still under warranty..
The most damaging time for any engine, is a cold start up. Because the fuel mixture, weather, fuel injection or carburetor, is Rich. And the cylinder walls are cold. So the incoming fuel condenses on the cylinder walls just like humidity condenses on the outside of a glass of iced tea in the summer. That condensed gasoline. dilutes the engine oil and rinses the lubrication that might be on the cylinders walls away. It is especially true on water cooled engines because those cylinder walls stay cold longer until the engine water around the cylinder jacket warms up…
The government got car manufacturers to agree to say that it is OK to drive your cold car as quickly as 15 or 30 seconds after starting it. I wouldn’t do that. Engine oil takes as long as 45 minutes to get up to operating temperature at times..
engines don’t wear out, they are neglected to death..
I agree. Same here. Yep, and good filters matter. I will add though, that I go UP 1 grade in oil weight (ie. 5w30 to 5w40) on AIR cooled engines (only) in the summer. May not be recommended, but the film strength of the oil is better when it gets really hot. Have had engines run with 1000's of hours without failure. Watching the oil levels and keeping up on maintenance is key. Any time I've paid someone to do my maintenance (such as on leased vehicles), it's ALWAYS bit me in the A$$. (missing crush washer, cross threaded drain plug, adding 1 quart OVER full - OMG...) Learned all my lessons the hard way. Do it myself, do it right.
The Gov't needs to say less about ...well, everything.
How do you attach a strong magnet onto your oil plug?
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for decades, I have been using yamabond sealant on the final few threads where the gasket on my drain plugs is. yamabond comes in a toothpaste, tube container, and it acts like toothpaste. But it is used to seal engine cases where the 2 cases are metal to metal, no gasket.. it acts like liquid vinyl, like melted taffy.. I use brake clean on my drain plugs, then I put a small bead around the base of the drain plug… I have never had to replace a drain plug metal gasket, I’ve never had one leak, I don’t have to overtighten them. And that case sealant sort of acts like a thread lock. It does not harden .. i’m sure that it sometimes gets inside the engine when putting two engine cases together, and apparently it does not plug up oil passages.. or else they would not use it when putting engine cases together. It is gasoline and oil resistant. And I have been using it for decades. As a matter fact. I just replaced a tube I have had since I was a motorcycle mechanic part time back in the early 1980s at a Yamaha shop. That too blasted me up until 2021..
I would not use it on paper gaskets.. what I use on dry paper gaskets, I learned in a bulletin from Honda in the 1970s when I was a full-time motorcycle mechanic at a Honda/Yamaha shop..
Honda sent a bulletin to every dealership and every dealership service department, do you use rust oleum silver aluminum paint on dry gaskets. Such as bass gaskets, and some head gaskets. Honda instructed the mechanics to open a brand new can of rust oleum aluminum paint. Do not stirred or shake the can. Get a screwdriver or some long tool to scrape the thick goo from the bottom of the can… coat the head gasket or base gasket or whatever dry gasket you are using with that thick gooey paste. And put it on the engine wet with that gout. That gasket will never stick, it won’t leak, and when you go to take the engine apart in the future, that gasket will not rip because it won’t be stuck to either surface…
I still have the court can of aluminum paint that I bought back in the early 1970s when I was a Honda mechanic. And I have always quoted all of my dry gaskets with that paste in the bottom of that. Can that has aluminum in it.. it is not affected by temperature, and I have never had a gasket stick. I have owned for Moto Guzzi’s. You have to check the valve adjustment on those about every 3000 miles. It’s an easy job on those machines because you don’t even have to remove the gas tank. I have never had to replace hey gasket after the first set i had to replace.. Every mechanic out there will tell you, the most aggravating part of a lot of jobs is scraping gaskets. Since I have been using that paste from the bottom of the aluminum paint can, I have never had a gasket even slightly stick or leak.
I had a KLR 650 Kawasaki that I was commuting on. There is a replacement balance tensioner that must be done on those after they get a few miles on them. It’s under the Engine side case cover where are the primary chain is for the balance shaft. I bought the upgraded tensioner, and I went to the dealer to get oil and oil filter and things like that, and I asked the parts man to get me a side, case gasket, just in case because I thought it would be stuck and I would be scraping the gasket for about a half an hour after I got the side case off. this was around 2010. So it was 2010 prices. That side case gasket was $58. I asked the parts man, are you serious? He said yeah that’s the price. I told him to hang onto it. I might be back. I was very careful pulling that side case off so I would not damage the original side cover gasket. I can’t imagine how much that gasket is now here in 2023. It was just an average paper gasket.
I was able to reuse that gasket because I carefully separated it from the engine with a razor blade as I was removing the side cover. I quoted that with aluminum paint when I put it back together…
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I’ve been using mobil 1 full synthetic oil for nissan maxima 1995 and no problem. Now i got 488,880 milesage in it.
I've been using mobile one in all my rigs for over twenty years and have no problems ever! I have four Harley's and same thing no problems with them either.
We've put 209,000 miles on my wife's 2005 Chevrolet using full synthetic oil and it still runs great. We've had no problems at all and it still does not burn oil.
The added friction from running conventional oil is beneficial during break in so that the outer circumference of the piston rings can wear to the exact profile of the cylinder bore, since they may not be a 100% perfect match out of the box. After that is achieved, switch to synthetic to prevent any further wearing of the rings, which would cause ring end gap to expand and compression to drop.
When like me you are getting 500k on your engines with synthetic I won’t use mineral oils.
I put synthetic oil in my new Ferrari and my dome light quit working!
Yep , seen that before , it's the nut behind the wheel. Better check that first:)
Amsoil 100% synthetic high mileage 0w20. 5 to 8k no leaks. 3 years running. 193k miles now.
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Yup, group 4, PAO based. Amsoil or Pennzoil, which wins Championship? Let's find out!
Mobil 1 is all i use on all my vehicles, I was using it in my 94 Honda Accord that was still running when I donated it to a non profit, original engine and transmission. The transmission was starting to slip and that is why I bought a 2014 Toyota Avalon, which still runs like the day it was brand new. My Nissan Frontier and Avalon use Mobil 1 oil and nothing else, full synthetic of course. Maintenance is very important.
With new motorbikes: I was told by my dealer that they had stopped using synthetic oil for a new engine simply because the oil was so good that it didn't allow the pistons etc to bed in. After this period I would suggest that synthetic is better for protection. The manual that you are referring to basically says the same thing.
My engine has 300k and still sounds brand new. SYNTHETIC ALL ITS LIFE & N O L E A K S
My 95 Ford Explorer had synthetic installed for the first oil change at 2,500 miles and every 20k after. It went 15 years and 232,000 miles with no engine problems or oil consumption. Still ran fine the day I drove it to the crusher because the frame was swiss cheese and most of the sheet metal rotted away and the trans was starting to slip.
My 2002 Volkswagen GTI (1.8 Turbo) just kicked over 319,000 miles on mobile1 synthetic 0W-40. Original bearings, valve train, everything.
The reason for this is, molecules that make up the oils are arranged differently. Conventional oil molecules are arranged into a sort of clump where as the synthetic oil molecules are arranged into a linear chain. This is where many myths come from such as “synthetic oils cause leaks”. The oil doesn’t CAUSE a leak, rather synthetic oil is able to pass through more easily due to the molecular arrangement. If you had a length of chain and held it by one end you could easily drop it down a small hole. If you were to take the same bit of chain and bunch it up into a ball, it would no longer fit into the same hole. It’s exactly the same principle just scaled up a billion times. All that being said, one oil type is not better or worse than the other. It just comes down to the engine and condition of the engine as to what is better to use.
Back in 1990 I bought my first used 1988 Chevy Silverado V8 305 engine with 160k miles here in California and the first thing I did a good oil flush and put Mobil 1 synthetic oil I drove it until it had 310k miles and I never had any oil leaks or any problems it passed the smog inspections it always run smood I sold my truck to a friend of mine who was always bugging me that he wanted to buy my bad ass truck because I painted in a Viper yellow color so I sold it to him then he moved to Texas to this day he still has that truck with the same engine...
Synthetic oil rocks!!!
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I have used nothing but Mobil 1 5W 20 in my 03 Grand Marquis for 140,000 miles. Does not burn oil. Does not leak.
I use synthetic oil in everything, although all those engines were broke in on standard oils. Never a problem with any of the engines
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Don't use synthetic oil.
Oh, you can use synthetic oil. What He meant to say is don't use synthetic oil if you have a Kohler engine and not during the first 50 hours during break-in.
STD break in petroleum based non synthetic motor oil has been known about for over 40 years. I've always considered it common knowledge in gasoline and diesel powered engines and the enthusiast owners. This is why they don't recommend early oil changes on new motors. Run the engine the proper amount of hours or miles on the break in oil. I'd even go so far as to use a regular petroleum based motor oil for your first oil change, too, before going to a full synthetic motor oil.
I have a 2003 Chevrolet Silverado Z-71 truck, and it has had a Mobile One full synthetic oil in it since the day it left the car lot. No problem from the oil.
I’ve used it since it came out. Mobile 1, Redline, Royal Purple. Drove a Ford Windstar 485,000 miles on synthetic. I did run regular oil in it for the first two 3000 mile changes. It makes sense that synthetic lubricates so well that the mating surfaces won’t properly align unless you use an inferior oil at the start.
I have two Dodge trucks both with 5.7 hemi engines in them...one has 240.000 k miles the other has 189.000 k miles both use 5-20 full synthetic since day one...they both still run strong...no oil leaks or internal wear...
What he states is true. There has to be a wear-in (where they actually wear out a little) period for the piston rings to seal to the cylinder walls. After that period is when you want as little wear on them as possible for longer engine life.
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everything is clear here. synthetic oil has too good lubrication specifications and during the first 50 hours, the engine must rub/grind, therefore, for the first 50 hours, a lubricant with poorer lubrication properties is recommended. After the first 50 hours, you can use synthetic oil and the engine will be better from that. Of course, changing the oil will be twice as expensive :)
THE WHOLE TRUTH.... from a tribologist.
Oil use can be the most controversial of all subjects. So I spent the time and money over 3 years. ( also owned a mechanic shop) . What I found, was from a molecular point of view all synthetics are vastly different. Also the methodology to keep the engine clean is divided into two groups. Surfactants and Solvents. This was circa 1999, today may be more or less different. That does not matter. The oil I used in EVERYTHING including a 100 year old Hunter ceiling fan is..... ( wait for it) .......
In the 80's I worked for Mobil Oil. That was the best synthetic on the market. I won a trip to Las Vegas. While there I talked to Indy Car owners and Mechanics. I found out that every one uses M1 in their race car.
To not use it, would cost them about 50~80 horse power. Regardless of what the label said on the bottle M1 was poured in. So as you can imagine, I was a stout M1 devotee!
When I found out about Royal Purple, I spent 3 years testing and comparing. The results from engines used in ( almost) every possible machine were scrupulously evaluated.
I came to the conclusion that while M1 was very good RP was much better. There is a simple explanation! M1 uses surfactants, RP uses Solvents. Surfactants are seriously deteriorated when internal water condensation gets into the oil. That is why it is always best to run an engine long enough for the moisture to be evaporated. Also the polymers that actually form the lubricating molecules are different depending on what brand you buy. RP polymers have been PROVEN since WWII. It's a long and fascinating story.
In conclusion, NO lubricant out performs RP. I tested oil pressure after 1000 miles, 2000 miles, 3000, up to 5000 miles. I measure cylinder head temps. I studied how soon conventional oil starts to degrade etc etc. SO yes sir ...RP has no peer in the world of lubrication technology! There is much much more to this. I do have time to write more.
I am NOT affiliated with RP or M1 in any way. I wish I worked for RP. Hey RP, are you looking for a salesperson?
It warms my soul to hear someone talk about Royal Purple. I've been using it in my 07 Mustang for the last ten years or so and I couldn't be happier. I have to buy it because my mechanic thinks I'm crazy for spending the extra money on it, but we'll see....
In my Ford escort, I got it used with 25,000 miles on it. Then I ran synthetic blend for 25,000 miles. Then switched to synthetic. I put 366,000 miles on it before I sold it. And it ran great no smoke.
On my Cummins 5.9, changed to Rotella T 5w-40 at 20k miles, at 466k miles now with full synthetic, still runs like a beast.
I've broken in small engines with synthetic, no problem and compression is perfect. Why would a better synthetic base stock oil hurt the break-in process? It wouldn't, it would allow rings to seat just fine. The only reason they say to use conventional oil in the manual is because conventional oil doesn't protect as well and they want you to buy a new engine in 2.5 years. I've heard people say that synthetic oil caused oil leaks on older vehicles. It's not the oil that causes leaks it's the aggressive detergents and dispersants more than anything. Anyways synthetic oil in the viscosity recommended by the engine manufacturer will work just fine for any new engine. Though it may cost more.
I did engine and manual transmission rebuilds, and worked on some high performance cars. When the engine is newly built with the cylinders re-bored and with new rings, bearings, and etc., it is best to break in the engine with regular oil. Conventional oil allows for normal wear on a newly built or rebuilt engine. With cars it is best to drive the car for about 4000 miles before making its first oil change. Use conventional type oil for another 4000 miles. Then you can go to synthetic oil for the rest of the engine's life. It is important to change the oil at normal intervals. This is to clean out carbon that gets in to the oil, and clean out any pollution or dirt that may get in to the oil. Through the life of any engine there will be some very fine microscopic size metal particles from normal wear. Changing the oil rids of them. As the oil is used and ages it also starts to change its lubrication qualities. I like to change my oil every 6000 miles or ever6 months whatever comes first. I use synthetic oil only. I use the type of oil recommended by the manufacture.
Many of the auto manufactures now break in the engines at factory before installing them in to the vehicles. They do the break in using regular engine oil. Then they change the oil for synthetic oil when installing the engine in to the vehicle. When receiving your new car, even though the dealer may tell you the engine is broken in, it is best to go easy on it for the first 4000 miles or so. Drive at varying speeds, and don't use cruise control. Avoid letting the RPMs go past 4000. Go easy on the starts. Avoid hard acceleration very often. Don't tow heavy loads. The transmission and drive train have to also be broken in. After the vehicle is past 4000 miles or so and is working on synthetic oil you can drive it how you want. Like anything with engines and drive trains, if you very often kick ass on the vehicle you will reduce the life span of the engine and drive train.
Avoid spinning the tires when starting off. This plays hell on the transmission and the differential. The drive train is designed to be able to take a lot of forward torque. It is when the tires stop spinning there is the reverse torque effect to the drive train for a few milliseconds (few thousandths of a second) even though the vehicle is moving forward. It is at the instance where the wheels stop spinning that the bearings and gear teeth take the huge amount of shock. Because the isometric torque affect on the output shaft of the engine and transmission is very high when accelerator is pressed down very hard this is where there is greater wear of the seals. If you want to greatly increase your engine and drive train life span to be in your favour drive the vehicle easy. Drive it like you are driving a limo. Go easy on the starts and go easy on the stops. You will also save a lot of fuel, tires, and break maintenance cost.
OPINAR A ESTO, ES SER NECIO, USTED LO DIJO, CLARO Y PRECISO, GRASIAS.
I've been using 100% Synthetic Amsoil and all of my vehicles, mowers, and toys for over 16 years. All I can say is I love it because it's 25,000 miles or 1 year. So it is a win-win to me.
Because it has zinc in it I have to use it in my older cars
Amsoil is the only oil i use in my motorcycle for the past 20 years. No problems.
Full Synthetic oil works amazing in anything!
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Ive used it multiple times and got over 350,000+ miles on cars and trucks still running great.
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The reason that you don't put synthetic oil in new IC engines is because the oil retains viscosity and lubrication qualities better than natural oils, mostly because of the structure and length of the long carbon chain molecules that make up the oil. Synthetic oil will not allow for the wear that is needed to allow the rings to seat and seal against the cylinder wall. Even 45 years ago, when Mobil brought out their first synthetic oil product, tear down of the test engines they ran it in for publicity showed that the machining marks on the cylinder walls were almost fully intact after 200,000 miles.
Especially now that piston ring tension in the new low pressure engines is lower, and because of fairly loose machining tolerances in all of the engine makers, they rely on break in seating of the rings to provide vapor and oil sealing. Basically, you are performing the final machining of your engine piston rings in the break in period.
Once the car is broken in properly, the use of synthetics would appear to limit further bore and ring wear much better than oils derived from crude oil sources. Plus, the added bonus to be enjoyed is that the synthetic product will retain lubrication properties superior to regular oil because even as it breaks down, the synthetic molecule chains will remain longer and more efficient, making it possible to put 10-12K miles on it before you have to replace it, as opposed to 3-5K miles for regular oil.
You have to change filters regularly, though.
As a mechanic for over 24 years And rebuilt thousands of engines, I can tell you that it all has to do with the oil molecule size and shape and expansion rate of conventional oil versus synthetic oil. the company basically wants you to use a break-in oil for a period of time. When the piston rings or inside the liner and they are going up and down with the piston you’re actually filing away very small particles of metal. That is why they tell you to run conventional oil for a short period of time, conduct an oil change and then you can run synthetic.
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Delivery guy in Manhattan on a CBR 1000 purchased new immediately dropped the factory oil for synthetic.
Ran it like this and clocked 130,000 miles(how that’s possible in Manhattan I’ll never know-madness)then pulled the engine apart to do a major look-see.
The engine never even broke-in.
However, you do want your engine to break in. It gets rid of needless friction. Then swap to synthetic.
I worked as a motorcycle motor mechanic for a number of Honda Dealerships. Honda recommended the run in period to use regular conventional oil. This was from the period 1970s through to late 1990s.
I still follow this with all my engines. I get exceptional longevity out of all my engines, including a Honda XL125cc trail bike that has done over 200,000kms and VW Tiguan 103TDI 4motion which is approaching 600,00kms. Both ran in with conventional oil for 1000kms then Synthetic ever since. I change the oil every 100kms in the XL125 and every 10,000kms in the 103TDI Tiguan. Both have all regular servicing as specified by the Workshop Manuals by myself. I have never had any engine failures in any of my motors in the 54years as a Licenced driver.
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never using syn oil, group iii enough for me
use diesel oil for more zddp and higher tbn
Been using left over synthetic from oil changes in my lawn mower and snow blower for years. Marvel mystery oil added to fuel and oil every so often too
Just don't use it in the hydrostatic transaxle or you will pay the price when it fails
I've been using synthetic oil in all my cars since mid 90s, including my first car which was built in the 60s. I prefer the 5-6k miles change intervals rather than 3k. Since my newst car has 98k miles already, and my oldest had 385k, I don't think it's a problem.
I had a lengthy conversation with a lubrication engineer from Mobil 1 in 2001. At the time I rode a 1983 Honda Shadow 750. The talk was the synthetic oil will make the clutches slip because the oil is too slippery. The engineer said that’s not the case at all. Synthetic oil has several different additives and take heat and stress much better than conventional oil. That is a proven fact many times over. Kohler engines are good engines. In 2000 I purchased a John Deere mower brand new. I used Mobil 1 15/50 from the first oil change. I had the mower for 10 years, and sold it for $1,000.00 to a guy that worked on John Deere mowers. I never had any issues at all other than a belt! The engine had 3,200 hours and never used a drop oil oil. I change the oil every 40 hours.
Normally when you buy a lawn tractor or a garden tractor, it COMES WITH engine oil already in it. So put in whatever you want when you change the oil after the break-in period. I don't have a problem with synthetics. In the military we used 'synthetic' in all our CH-46D helicopter transmissions. No problems.
Back in the late '70s a car magazine ran a test on the then,0new Mobil 1 oil. The took a brand-new Corvette, filled it with Mobil 1, and ran it for 50,000 miles. At that point they tore down the engine for inspection and found the cylinder walls still had the hone marks on them. It was recommended not to use M-1 on a new engine but highly recommended it after a break-in period. I used it in my Toyota after it had 10,000 miles on it and the mileage jumped from 28-29 MPG to 33-34 MPG and the normal operating temp dropped noticeably. Good stuff but will slow a break in.
Exactly. I've been saying this for years. Do not use synthetic for the break in period, and maybe some time after that to ensure things have fully seated. After that, its what I use for my vehicles.
My Chevy Cobalt engine lasted to 345,000 miles before some idiot tboned me. It would have easily reached 400,000 miles. Used Mobile 1 5wx30 full synthetic after the initial 30,000 miles.
I’ve used synthetic oil in all of my cars, although one of the cons are you get lower miles on high speed, but the pros outweigh the cons of regular oil. You get way better performance, and better protection in a synthetic oil!!