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Fun fact if you line up the character names, it spells Octopath, but if you line them up with their moonshade order counterpart, it spells it backwards. Osvald | Harvey Cassti | Trousseau Temenos | Arcanette Ochette | Petrichor Partitio | Ori Agnea | Tanzy Throné | Claude Hikari | Oboro
Are you kidding? This game has one of the absolute greatest library of battle themes that I've heard from ANY one game, and I've been gaming since the early 90's!
Underrated as it is, Somehow I prefer this over the "Battle at the journey's End". Not heavily instrumented, but you can feel the power of this music deliver.
Trousseau was the one I really felt sorry for. So young and such a kind, gentle person but so full of doubt and self-hatred after failing to save his sister. I think he was as much of a victim as anyone else. If he'd never been shown the Book of Night and stayed under Castii's wing, he might have never gone off the deep end.
The Darkling too... What was once a gifted animal was turned into a horrifying abomination at the hands of Harvey. At least Ochette gave the beast some peace during its final moments...
@@BlueHunterZero Kaldena, too. Even though she did morally terrible things that make it hard to pity her, she too was a victim of the Moonshade order. They committed genocide on her people when she was young, then they manipulated her into unwittingly serving the very Order she swore vengeance on.
As someone who's survived a lifetime of severe trauma--born into it, in fact--and whose development was drastically and irreversibly altered as a result, I have a personal stake in this convo. It's also why I felt pretty validated by a lot of the antagonists in Octopath 2. Long comment incoming: Trousseau, Kaldena, and the Darkling are characters who were manipulated, and ultimately corrupted, by the Moonshade Order and their accomplices. They harnessed the trauma of these people (and animal) for their own ends, to a point where there was no path to redemption for any of them. As for Harvey, he too was someone who was swayed by the Moonshade Order--but rather than being manipulated directly, it was his own weakness and inferiority complex toward Osvald that compelled him to join them willingly, because he believed they could compensate his own weakness. After tasting the power they gave him, minuscule as it was, he became intoxicated. These are all things I have struggled with personally, and it is a constant, lifelong battle. I will never be free of these things, and it means I will always have to face them down--and to fend off the influence of unsavory groups on this side of the fourth wall, who actively seek out people like me to use their trauma for selfish and malevolent purposes. Believe me when I say, it would've been the easiest thing for me to fall into bad company as well; the likes of ISIS and other terrorist organizations, criminal groups, extremists, and the like, with their "promises" of a glorious afterlife or to 'be part of something great." But I wanted to be stronger than that, and yeah, that means being stronger than the people who basically killed who I was and would've been, forcing me to re-create myself as an individual--but more importantly, it means rising above the greed, hatred, and other aspects of human nature that drove these people to do what they did to me. No, it's not easy. Not even with support from others--something I've never really had, honestly. All of these characters, who fell to corruption, have that support--from colleagues and subordinates, and even from the Travelers who tried and failed to reach them. And in real life, I've seen people who do have support networks, yet were unable to find the strength to overcome their own demons; in fact, I've personally known a few of them myself. It's why useless advice like "You need to get over it" is just that: completely and utterly useless. It's unhelpful at best, and often makes things even worse. ...But as painful as it is, it's helped me a lot to see others who went down paths I've chosen not to follow. Whether it's the Moonshade Order or similar fictional groups, or real-life terrorist/extremist/criminal organizations, what these groups ultimately do is create more traumatized, damaged people, and perpetuate a virulent and vicious cycle. Much as I've screwed up, I've never wanted to contribute to that. The only way to help end cycles of abuse and suffering is face oneself, first and foremost. Should also mention that I work with animals as a volunteer (no-kill shelters) and my specialization involves cats who come from traumatic households, are taken in as feral, or otherwise have behavior issues that make it hard for people to interact with them, let alone adopt them. Having lived experience makes it easy to connect and relate to them, but working with them is also a way to turn my own hellish past into something positive--poison into medicine, if you will. And, due to my developmental circumstances, I'm much closer to animals in the wild, and the natural world, than I will ever be to humans and civilization. It's not simply a matter of preference, either--it involves my behaviorisms and psyche, and some physical aspects as well. A lot of this comes from basically being a psychiatric lab-rat for most of my life, and being subjected to literal mindfuckery. It's honestly a miracle that I can even type stuff like this after all that's happen, if that says anything. So it's probably the Darkling I relate to most personally. I survived 20 years of medical experimentation and had to come to terms with this alone,, along with the fact that it's 100% legal and not considered a transgression of life itself--not even when children are the subjects. Animals are regarded even less. I don't know...maybe it's different outside the United States. But this country is one that worships at the altar of the almighty dollar. Even life itself is second to money here.
@@seanobrien276 I'd say the game is split pretty even on the tragic vs. monstrous villains for the character stories. Trousseau, Kaldena, the Darkling and Roque are all more tragic figures (and although Roque's fall isn't as bad as the other three, there was still a driving point of tragedy for him that warped his perceptions) despite the terrible actions. Conversely, Harvey, Mugen and Claude are all true and proper scumbags for different reasons. Dolcinaea is the odd one out as she's not really a villain as she is just kind of a bitch, and even then she gets over that.
The gentle huntress vs. the pained abomination! The resolute healer vs. the poison-spreading maniac! The determined thief vs. the surreal progenitor! The convicted genius vs. the traitorous colleague! The brilliant philanthropist vs. the conniving money-grubber! The gracious underdog vs. the haughty superstar! The impartial man of the cloth vs. the vengeful survivor! The -merciful- righteous swordsman vs. the bloodthirsty tyrant!
@@MrAuthor3DS It doesnt matter if it was a quick death, you dont show no quarter, its quite literally a war crime. If I had been in his situation id have incapacitated him and taken him before a court to answer to his crimes
@@alexanderwidmar2850dude genocided countless children and murdered countless friends without any remorse. Keeping him alive is not even mercy, it’s just stupid and dangerous to everyone else
@@alexanderwidmar2850Ku ain't even got a court, plus Mugen is the one who set Ku on fire and killed the king so he could become one. Hikari had to bring about change in Ku because all they ever cared about is strong trampling the weak.
I like how this plays even for Partitio and Agnea's final chapter bosses, even though neither of them had any links to the game's actual villains and all their covert scheming. Rather than just being a sort-of final boss theme, For the Dawn is evocative of each Traveler's growth and their efforts in facing and overcoming their inner struggles in order to reach the end of their respective path--which usually involved fighting someone who took a very dark turn and ultimately stood at the end of a path they chose not to follow. The Dawn is what comes when, amid all your inner struggles and staving off temptations to follow a dark path, you realize your own true power. Whatever form it takes, it always comes from within--and that kind of power is what all the Travelers needed in the Final Chapter to dispel the Wicked Night. I feel like this theme transitioning into Agnea's Song of Hope really drives that home. Rather than Dolcinaea just being a villain, the "battle" was basically a performance of a lifetime--a dance-off to the death between the reigning star and the up-and-comer. Agnea had to overcome not her opponent, but her own insecurities and limitations--and she had to do this by actively embracing them and making them her strength, instead of just ignoring or running from them, or covering them up with some fake act. One might say she was fighting herself as the final boss--only by making _all_ of who she is her power could she shine atop the grand stage as the new star. It's a lifelong battle for any artist, no matter their background; the truest, purest, and most powerful expression of originality is individuality--In being yourself in everything you do as a creative. It's probably one of the hardest things one can do as a human being, in all honesty, especially when people and society around you keep forcing outside opinions of what a "good artist" or "good person" is. Signed, a self-taught writer, artist, and photographer.
@@xcenex479 Not to mention that Ori turns away from the Moonshade Order at the last moment (though offscreen, and it's unclear whether that saved her life, or only her soul), and Tanzy was just an innocent person who got manipulated by Mindt/ Arcanette, the true mastermind of the Moonshade Order. (Also, prior to reaching the final chapter, how many of us though that Tanzy was simply an extremely devoted follower of the Lady of Grace (goddess of the dancer profession), rather than any non-members of the pantheon?)
@@valjamin8456 True! But Ori is actually alive. She can be seen resting in an inn afterwards and is also in the background during Agnea’s final performance. I mean, no wonder she was inspired by Partitio. Even *I* was inspired by him. His Chapter 3 made me suddenly regain faith in humanity for some reason. I didn’t think much of Tanzy prior to the final chapter, too. All the twists were insane! I was shocked after Kazan’s reveal and then it was one hit after another - Ori, Mindt, Tanzy.. I’m glad we could kick Arcanette’s ass though. She hurt my boy Temenos and I didn’t appreciate that. Damn, this game makes me go crazy ever since I finished it yesterday at four am lmao
In actuality, both of them discovered two sides to True Magic, fueled by intense emotion alone. Harvey's hatred for Osvald is the real source of his half of the True Magic, the Shadow, whilst Osvald's love for his daughter Elana is his source for Celestial Light. (Osvald's version of True Magic isn't directly named, but I imagine that since Vide is the god of the shadows, the other eight gods of that pantheon utilize the opposite kind of power to that form of True Magic. (13 if you count the five others introduced in Octopath 1) Thus, I gave it a name that's somewhat fitting considering who is likely to have used it before Osvald.)
I remember someone made a comment on Battle at Journey’s End giving each traveler a Zelda-esc title for their final boss. Figured I’d try my hand at with the sequel: Forgotten Friend - Darkling of the Sorrowful Moon Harbinger of the Plague - Trousseau Slithering Shadow King - Claude Deceitful Petty Professor - Harvey Capitalism’s Greatest Creation - Steam Tank Obsidian Prideful Dancing Star - Dolcinaea Kal’s Sole Survivor - Kaldena Shadow’s Puppet - Kaldena of Night Scarlet Demon Tyrant - Mugen The Darkblood Beast - Enshrouded King
Here's what I'd think would be the subtitles for the Final Chapter bosses: *Deformed Abomination - GROTESQUE MONSTER* *Shadowy Mastermind - ARCANETTE* *God of Darkness - VIDE* *VIDE, The Wicked*
“I’m so sorry…” “You leave me with no choice, Trousseau!” “You’re my…” “Let’s talk, Harvey.” “I’ll make you honor our contract, like any good merchant would!” “I’m going to put a smile on everyone’s face!” “Come, own your sins!” “Today, I fight for my friends.”
This theme brings everything that happened to each of the characters, the emotion of knowing that this will be the last boss fight for each one, I confess that I was emotional😅
Ochette VS. The Darkling Castti VS. Trousseau Throne VS. Claude Osvald VS. Harvey Partitio VS. Roque Agnea VS. Dolcinaea Temenos VS. Kaldena Hikari VS. Mugen
as a single song, Battle at Journey End still better, but as transitioned music, For The Dawn is godlike! It make me hyped and make me believe to overcome the bosses
To be fair, Battle at Journey’s End is very hard to beat. My personal favorite battle theme of the series. A little bit bummed at the amount of repetition in octopath 2’s battle themes. Not only do the phrases repeated much more often than 1, the phrases themselves are more often constructed by repeating motivic structures with a great deal less elegance than 1’s battle themes
My first time hearing this theme was Osvald (my first character) vs. Harvey - fantastic climax! I used Osvald (Merchant), Castti (Scholar), Hikari (Edgemaster) and Throne (Cleric) to beat him.
Fun fact if you line up the character names, it spells Octopath, but if you line them up with their moonshade order counterpart, it spells it backwards.
Osvald | Harvey
Cassti | Trousseau
Temenos | Arcanette
Ochette | Petrichor
Partitio | Ori
Agnea | Tanzy
Throné | Claude
Hikari | Oboro
Damn never noticed
Woah.
What the hell this is awesome lol
The official line up is Ochette 1st instead of Osvald, and Throne 3rd instead of Temenos.
Holy crap I didn't even notice that. This game just went from a 10/10 to an 11/10
Soundtrack is criminally underrated jesus christ everything goes so hard for no good reason
Are you kidding? This game has one of the absolute greatest library of battle themes that I've heard from ANY one game, and I've been gaming since the early 90's!
Yes!!! This soundtrack is absolutely AMAZING! I wish I had just not quit my first save file, or I would have beaten it… haha…
@thundergaming5785 still underrated
Game as a whole is underrated
Underrated as it is, Somehow I prefer this over the "Battle at the journey's End". Not heavily instrumented, but you can feel the power of this music deliver.
[ Osvald can use One True Magic ]
Trousseau was the one I really felt sorry for. So young and such a kind, gentle person but so full of doubt and self-hatred after failing to save his sister. I think he was as much of a victim as anyone else. If he'd never been shown the Book of Night and stayed under Castii's wing, he might have never gone off the deep end.
The Darkling too...
What was once a gifted animal was turned into a horrifying abomination at the hands of Harvey.
At least Ochette gave the beast some peace during its final moments...
@@BlueHunterZero Kaldena, too. Even though she did morally terrible things that make it hard to pity her, she too was a victim of the Moonshade order. They committed genocide on her people when she was young, then they manipulated her into unwittingly serving the very Order she swore vengeance on.
As someone who's survived a lifetime of severe trauma--born into it, in fact--and whose development was drastically and irreversibly altered as a result, I have a personal stake in this convo. It's also why I felt pretty validated by a lot of the antagonists in Octopath 2.
Long comment incoming:
Trousseau, Kaldena, and the Darkling are characters who were manipulated, and ultimately corrupted, by the Moonshade Order and their accomplices. They harnessed the trauma of these people (and animal) for their own ends, to a point where there was no path to redemption for any of them. As for Harvey, he too was someone who was swayed by the Moonshade Order--but rather than being manipulated directly, it was his own weakness and inferiority complex toward Osvald that compelled him to join them willingly, because he believed they could compensate his own weakness. After tasting the power they gave him, minuscule as it was, he became intoxicated. These are all things I have struggled with personally, and it is a constant, lifelong battle. I will never be free of these things, and it means I will always have to face them down--and to fend off the influence of unsavory groups on this side of the fourth wall, who actively seek out people like me to use their trauma for selfish and malevolent purposes.
Believe me when I say, it would've been the easiest thing for me to fall into bad company as well; the likes of ISIS and other terrorist organizations, criminal groups, extremists, and the like, with their "promises" of a glorious afterlife or to 'be part of something great." But I wanted to be stronger than that, and yeah, that means being stronger than the people who basically killed who I was and would've been, forcing me to re-create myself as an individual--but more importantly, it means rising above the greed, hatred, and other aspects of human nature that drove these people to do what they did to me. No, it's not easy. Not even with support from others--something I've never really had, honestly. All of these characters, who fell to corruption, have that support--from colleagues and subordinates, and even from the Travelers who tried and failed to reach them. And in real life, I've seen people who do have support networks, yet were unable to find the strength to overcome their own demons; in fact, I've personally known a few of them myself. It's why useless advice like "You need to get over it" is just that: completely and utterly useless. It's unhelpful at best, and often makes things even worse.
...But as painful as it is, it's helped me a lot to see others who went down paths I've chosen not to follow. Whether it's the Moonshade Order or similar fictional groups, or real-life terrorist/extremist/criminal organizations, what these groups ultimately do is create more traumatized, damaged people, and perpetuate a virulent and vicious cycle.
Much as I've screwed up, I've never wanted to contribute to that. The only way to help end cycles of abuse and suffering is face oneself, first and foremost.
Should also mention that I work with animals as a volunteer (no-kill shelters) and my specialization involves cats who come from traumatic households, are taken in as feral, or otherwise have behavior issues that make it hard for people to interact with them, let alone adopt them. Having lived experience makes it easy to connect and relate to them, but working with them is also a way to turn my own hellish past into something positive--poison into medicine, if you will. And, due to my developmental circumstances, I'm much closer to animals in the wild, and the natural world, than I will ever be to humans and civilization. It's not simply a matter of preference, either--it involves my behaviorisms and psyche, and some physical aspects as well. A lot of this comes from basically being a psychiatric lab-rat for most of my life, and being subjected to literal mindfuckery. It's honestly a miracle that I can even type stuff like this after all that's happen, if that says anything.
So it's probably the Darkling I relate to most personally. I survived 20 years of medical experimentation and had to come to terms with this alone,, along with the fact that it's 100% legal and not considered a transgression of life itself--not even when children are the subjects. Animals are regarded even less. I don't know...maybe it's different outside the United States. But this country is one that worships at the altar of the almighty dollar. Even life itself is second to money here.
@@seanobrien276 I'd say the game is split pretty even on the tragic vs. monstrous villains for the character stories. Trousseau, Kaldena, the Darkling and Roque are all more tragic figures (and although Roque's fall isn't as bad as the other three, there was still a driving point of tragedy for him that warped his perceptions) despite the terrible actions. Conversely, Harvey, Mugen and Claude are all true and proper scumbags for different reasons. Dolcinaea is the odd one out as she's not really a villain as she is just kind of a bitch, and even then she gets over that.
The gentle huntress vs. the pained abomination!
The resolute healer vs. the poison-spreading maniac!
The determined thief vs. the surreal progenitor!
The convicted genius vs. the traitorous colleague!
The brilliant philanthropist vs. the conniving money-grubber!
The gracious underdog vs. the haughty superstar!
The impartial man of the cloth vs. the vengeful survivor!
The -merciful- righteous swordsman vs. the bloodthirsty tyrant!
You say merciful swordsman like Hikari himself said that hed show Mugen no quarter lol
@@alexanderwidmar2850 He did grant a quick death in the end, did he not? Would YOU have been that merciful?
@@MrAuthor3DS It doesnt matter if it was a quick death, you dont show no quarter, its quite literally a war crime.
If I had been in his situation id have incapacitated him and taken him before a court to answer to his crimes
@@alexanderwidmar2850dude genocided countless children and murdered countless friends without any remorse. Keeping him alive is not even mercy, it’s just stupid and dangerous to everyone else
@@alexanderwidmar2850Ku ain't even got a court, plus Mugen is the one who set Ku on fire and killed the king so he could become one. Hikari had to bring about change in Ku because all they ever cared about is strong trampling the weak.
I like how this plays even for Partitio and Agnea's final chapter bosses, even though neither of them had any links to the game's actual villains and all their covert scheming. Rather than just being a sort-of final boss theme, For the Dawn is evocative of each Traveler's growth and their efforts in facing and overcoming their inner struggles in order to reach the end of their respective path--which usually involved fighting someone who took a very dark turn and ultimately stood at the end of a path they chose not to follow.
The Dawn is what comes when, amid all your inner struggles and staving off temptations to follow a dark path, you realize your own true power. Whatever form it takes, it always comes from within--and that kind of power is what all the Travelers needed in the Final Chapter to dispel the Wicked Night.
I feel like this theme transitioning into Agnea's Song of Hope really drives that home. Rather than Dolcinaea just being a villain, the "battle" was basically a performance of a lifetime--a dance-off to the death between the reigning star and the up-and-comer. Agnea had to overcome not her opponent, but her own insecurities and limitations--and she had to do this by actively embracing them and making them her strength, instead of just ignoring or running from them, or covering them up with some fake act. One might say she was fighting herself as the final boss--only by making _all_ of who she is her power could she shine atop the grand stage as the new star. It's a lifelong battle for any artist, no matter their background; the truest, purest, and most powerful expression of originality is individuality--In being yourself in everything you do as a creative. It's probably one of the hardest things one can do as a human being, in all honesty, especially when people and society around you keep forcing outside opinions of what a "good artist" or "good person" is.
Signed, a self-taught writer, artist, and photographer.
Well, Partitio is tied to Ori, which makes a connection with the Moonshade Order. Agnea has only a small link through Tanzy, though.
@@xcenex479 Not to mention that Ori turns away from the Moonshade Order at the last moment (though offscreen, and it's unclear whether that saved her life, or only her soul), and Tanzy was just an innocent person who got manipulated by Mindt/ Arcanette, the true mastermind of the Moonshade Order. (Also, prior to reaching the final chapter, how many of us though that Tanzy was simply an extremely devoted follower of the Lady of Grace (goddess of the dancer profession), rather than any non-members of the pantheon?)
@@valjamin8456 True! But Ori is actually alive. She can be seen resting in an inn afterwards and is also in the background during Agnea’s final performance. I mean, no wonder she was inspired by Partitio. Even *I* was inspired by him. His Chapter 3 made me suddenly regain faith in humanity for some reason. I didn’t think much of Tanzy prior to the final chapter, too. All the twists were insane! I was shocked after Kazan’s reveal and then it was one hit after another - Ori, Mindt, Tanzy.. I’m glad we could kick Arcanette’s ass though. She hurt my boy Temenos and I didn’t appreciate that. Damn, this game makes me go crazy ever since I finished it yesterday at four am lmao
You thought Osvald discovered the One True Magic, but it was I, Harvey!
In actuality, both of them discovered two sides to True Magic, fueled by intense emotion alone. Harvey's hatred for Osvald is the real source of his half of the True Magic, the Shadow, whilst Osvald's love for his daughter Elana is his source for Celestial Light. (Osvald's version of True Magic isn't directly named, but I imagine that since Vide is the god of the shadows, the other eight gods of that pantheon utilize the opposite kind of power to that form of True Magic. (13 if you count the five others introduced in Octopath 1) Thus, I gave it a name that's somewhat fitting considering who is likely to have used it before Osvald.)
@@valjamin8456actually the 13 god part thing only exist in octopath traveler 1 since 1&2 take place in different universe
I remember someone made a comment on Battle at Journey’s End giving each traveler a Zelda-esc title for their final boss. Figured I’d try my hand at with the sequel:
Forgotten Friend - Darkling of the Sorrowful Moon
Harbinger of the Plague - Trousseau
Slithering Shadow King - Claude
Deceitful Petty Professor - Harvey
Capitalism’s Greatest Creation - Steam Tank Obsidian
Prideful Dancing Star - Dolcinaea
Kal’s Sole Survivor - Kaldena
Shadow’s Puppet - Kaldena of Night
Scarlet Demon Tyrant - Mugen
The Darkblood Beast - Enshrouded King
I really like that!!
Here's what I'd think would be the subtitles for the Final Chapter bosses:
*Deformed Abomination - GROTESQUE MONSTER*
*Shadowy Mastermind - ARCANETTE*
*God of Darkness - VIDE*
*VIDE, The Wicked*
@@imthinkinwacky2859 I mean, she literally IS the goddess of darkness, so it makes sense
“I’m so sorry…”
“You leave me with no choice, Trousseau!”
“You’re my…”
“Let’s talk, Harvey.”
“I’ll make you honor our contract, like any good merchant would!”
“I’m going to put a smile on everyone’s face!”
“Come, own your sins!”
“Today, I fight for my friends.”
Clearly, Hikari could've been a Fire Emblem protagonist. XD
"Let's talk, Harvey" has such big dick energy.
Never a "Let's talk" has sounded so "I'm going to kill you" before.
@@adrianomanuelreyparra5165Well, it was an Osvald thing.
@@HannahLovesCatsYT I never felt so attached to a character ever tbh.
This theme brings everything that happened to each of the characters, the emotion of knowing that this will be the last boss fight for each one, I confess that I was emotional😅
Ochette VS. The Darkling
Castti VS. Trousseau
Throne VS. Claude
Osvald VS. Harvey
Partitio VS. Roque
Agnea VS. Dolcinaea
Temenos VS. Kaldena
Hikari VS. Mugen
Partitio VS. TRAIN
Partitio vs. Roque & Steam Tank Obsidian
@@OctopusRavioliTRAIN
I can imagine Roque being in the “I like trains” meme 🥲
2 words: OSWARUDOOOO!!! HAAARVEEEY!!!!
This is such a massive improvement from decisive battle III from the first game!
If you mean Decisive Battle III from the mobile game, yeah, but if you mean Battle at Journey’s End, that one is a banger too
@@matty_cI haven’t beaten the first one yet, neither the 2nd one. 🥲
What?
as a single song, Battle at Journey End still better,
but as transitioned music, For The Dawn is godlike! It make me hyped and make me believe to overcome the bosses
To be fair, Battle at Journey’s End is very hard to beat. My personal favorite battle theme of the series.
A little bit bummed at the amount of repetition in octopath 2’s battle themes. Not only do the phrases repeated much more often than 1, the phrases themselves are more often constructed by repeating motivic structures with a great deal less elegance than 1’s battle themes
My first time hearing this theme was Osvald (my first character) vs. Harvey - fantastic climax!
I used Osvald (Merchant), Castti (Scholar), Hikari (Edgemaster) and Throne (Cleric) to beat him.
Osvald VS DIO
Osvald: "So it's the same type of magic as The One True Magic."
kotomine kirei vs dio
welp so many same reference lol I love this game@@SkyNetAR
GYARIKKU HOOO!! VS. KAMEHAMEHA!