The Best Emulation We've Ever Seen On An An Arm CPU! M2 Mac Mini Is An EMU Powerhouse
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- The All New M2 Pro Mac mini Can run PS3, WiiU, PS2, Gamecube and many more emulator at full speed!
In this video we take a look at emulators running on their Apple M2 Pro Mac Mini, and this thing has the power! Very surprised by how well it handles emulation like Gamecube using Dolphin PSP using PPSSPP, Wii U Using CEMU, PS2 using Aethersx2 for Mac and even PS3 with RPCS3!
I do have PC gaming video planned for the M2 Mac mini so keep an eye out for that.
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00:00 Introduction
00:19 Mac Mini M2 Pro Unboxing
01:28 Mac Mini M2 Pro Specs
02:23 Emulators on The M2 Mac Mini pro
03:37 PSP Emulation PPSSPP Emulation Mac Mini M2 Pro
05:24 Gamecube emulator Dolphin Mac Mini M2 Pro
06:41 WiiU CEMU Emulator Mac Mini M2 Pro
08:10 Over 4K PS2 Emulation AetherSX2 Mac Mini M2 Pro
10:03 PS3 Emulation On Mac RPCS3 Mac Mini M2 Pro
12:13 First Impressions
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Pc gaming video coming up, what else do you want to see running on the new Mac mini M2 Pro?
Apex Legends and Rocket league - if their cheat systems aren't making issues! THPS1+2 if possible as well.
I remember RE8 has a Metal version, would be awesome to see the true horse power of the M2 Pro compared to Windows gaming PCs when something is really optimized to MacOS.
why you do not use ryjuinx on m2 ? I Am Asking because it released on arm m1 macbooks
Fighting Games. MK11, Tekken 7, Injustice 2 and etc.
Definitely consider installing Asahi Linux, since there is now GPU support (albeit a bit limited currently). With Asahi Linux and box64, you could run all your games under Proton!
Please add “Pro” to the video title. I came here with my hopes up for a $600 emulation machine I could use for work and was disappointed it was the more expensive Pro version. I feel like most people looking for this use case would want a review on the more affordable base model.
while i agree, i can say from experience that i tested at least half of what's playable up to PS3 (i tried like ten playable games, including Red Dead Redemption, just expect to not find any game-specific PS3 crash patches for Mac) on my base M1 Mac Mini and it's all been playable so i'm sure you could be fine as long as you don't mind not doing upscaling on PS3 and not going 4k in demanding PS2 games and GameCube games (i could only do 1080p on Burnout 3 in AetherSX2). you can also do Switch emulators now since they got ported to Mac. M1 is fairly capable!
@@HotelMarioFan878 @Andrew Felix is correct though. The title says m2 but it’s a m2 Pro. There is a performance difference and quite a price difference too. I also have a M1 and it’s amazing for what it is but the m2 (pro and non-pro) does have a significantly better GPU. The title needs to say Pro.
Eta prime likes to leave out details to sucker in viewers. He does this all the time.
*_Base M2 will work just fine._*
@@soreyJr and we got sucked in, Back Here Again 😅
I got the M2 Pro and damn is it impressive! Been SO happy with it. First Mac in over a decade.
Same! My first mac was MB Pro 2020 Intel.. piece of crap for 3000€ and biggest mistake in my life😅 now I’m so happy with M2 Pro!
@@dmitrijs7642 u can get better performance with i9 13900hx at half the price 😋
@@badrsaaidi8108 About the same performance but battery life will be atrocious and it will be a literal heating pad on your lap 😂
@@badrsaaidi8108 don’t get a Intel Mac anymore they are worthless in a few years
@@badrsaaidi8108 unplug it from the wall and run the same on both computers and see who wins. Hint: the high power laptop that run windows are CRIPPLED when not plugged into a wall. The Macs don't even break a sweat.
You should really do a separate review on the non-pro model since there is a huge price point difference and most likely performance difference.
Agreed!
agreed - most wont have this
Agreed. I'm always confused when creators will only feature the high-end models that a much smaller percent of Mini owners will have.
A RISC architecture _(AArch64),_ emulating a CISC architecture _(x86/x64_ _via_ _Rosetta),_ emulating some RISC architectures _(game_ _platform_ _emulator_ _for_ _MIPS64_ _or_ _PowerPC_ _for_ _example)._ And still performance is amazing.
These Apple ARM chips are incredible.
FWIW, x86 effectively emulates RISC through the use of Microcode instructions. i.e. The CISC instructions are decoded into smaller pipeline instructions for the CPU cores to process. The more compact CISC instructions help with cache but are otherwise somewhat irrelevant. Differences in the process design like write order are more important to performance. Apple implemented modes to make their processor behave like the x86 so that they can bypass trying to emulate these performance killers. That’s why Rosetta 2 is so bloody fast.
There isn't any CISC emulation in it. Even Apple doesn't call Rosetta an Emulator. It's also technically wrong since it doesn't emulate a system it just translates instructions. Otherwise there wouldn't be such a good performance.
The terms CISC/RISC are almost deprecated as CPU manufacturers have borrowed concepts from both these approaches. Intel for example has adopted many such RSIC concepts into their CPUs. If you want to think of a pure CISC CPU, think the Motorola 680x00 series that was used by Amiga/Atari/Sega and many others 40-30 years ago.
Modern x86 cpu contain RISC cores that emulate CISC architecture
Wow... people still think x86 is CISC in 2023?!
Your video here is fantastic! I had no idea that these emu's existed for the Mac! Such great memories of these games as a kid!
I really like the OpenEmu controller section. That's a real nice feature. That M2 chip is looking really good.
Ooh i been waiting for this!! I'm not an apple fan by any means but the new mini got my interest! Wanted to see your review on it.
congrats on 1M subscribers! Been watching your work for a while, and loving it!
Man, my M2 Mac Mini is going to be delivered tomorrow, talk about perfect timing. So hyped.
Edit: Just realized you tested the Pro version. Might be worth mentioning in the title. Hyped nevertheless, hopefully the 10c GPU on the base model is still good enough.
Update us bro ?
@@UltraJamZHD On the m1 running dolphin was a breeze now with my base m2 it runs anything on 2k. I have not tested 4k since macs dont come with 4k displays
@@turbojobo do you have the base M2?
@@UltraJamZHD Yes I do. Macbook Air M2 :) I used to have the M1 pro 14'' But prefer the air honestly.
This is a really cool overview on the emus for the Mac. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome! I remember when you had around 30K Subs, glad to see your channel is doing so well. You provide excellent content.
At the price point of the M2 Mac Mini, I would certainly expect it to perform emulation well !!! Great video as always. Please keep up the fantastic work.
Congrats on 1 million subs! Keep up the good work!
Do you plan on testing the base model? M2 (not M2 Pro) - 8gb ram. Students can pick these up for only $500 on the Apple site
This is the only one I have access to right now, it’s actually my wife’s new work pc. I could pick up the base this weekend and do some testing
Someone already tested this. Poor performance when emulating ps3, everything else is fine
I advise everyone to take 24 gb ram appel to tend to make their new bone very quickly greedy since big sur
@@ETAPRIME please try switch emulation like botw and mario Odyssee on Standard M2
I follow your reviews regularly and I agree that Star Wars Rogue Leader is perfect for testing the Dolphin performance but from what I've seen on my machines (Intel PCs and Macs) the X-Wing raid on Death Star surface is not the most difficult part to emulate, the battle on Hoth with Snow Speeders is more demanding, if you let the demo running for a couple of minutes you will see that the whole scene on the frozen planet is struggling both on music and animation (it is the second cutscene after the approaching of X-Wing storm to the Death Star) so it would be interesting to see if the M2Pro is able to running it smoothly. I am seriously considering it as my next emulation station replacing the Hades Canyon NUC i have in the living room 🙂
That's just awesome. Thank you for making this video.
that shared, super high speed memory of these apple chips really help with these emulators. i think one of the biggest bottlenecks of the emulators are moving data fast enough between ram/cpu/gpu and the m2 chips have a big advantage on this front compared to normal chips.
What a beast of a machine and its not even cracking a sweat, its dedfinantly a new benchamark for price performance and form factor, this is the new king
It's still nutty to me how much detail they crammed into Chains of Olympus. That game looks superb when it's upscaled.
Wow!! Looking forward to future updates 👍🏻🙏🏻
Gratz on 1m subs. Its been a long ride.
Looks like I’ll be good to go when I get the m2 Mac Studio. Thank you for this.
I know the pro has a better GPU but I really wish you had tested the base version of the M2 Mac Mini 8G 256G. I think it would be a great match compared to the SFF computers you test on your channel.
+1 = 100% agree that it's a missed opportunity for many (non) Apple users. A 2nd video would be much appreciated by many. Thanks in advance! Cheers
Idk why he didn't put "Pro" in the title...
@@VinnytotheK To bait more users. Pro would have put off those who know the cost.
Bro i'm wearing airpod and i swear that i hear your voice but the game audio it feels like its comign from my computer. it's Awesome
very powerful but also very expensive. i would have liked to have seen an emulation test of the cheaper m2 mac mini ($499/$599) to see what that can do.
Almost exactly the same.
@Garrus Vakarian what
@Garrus Vakarian $2000 in Australian dollerydoos
@@garrusvakarian8709 they didn’t had a mini M1Pro.
@@JeanSamyr they had, on Macbook Pro but not on the mini :)
To get CEMU working again, just go and manually delete shader cache in your user’s Application Support folder
By the way Demon souls has a 60 fps patch on rpcs3 and its really easy to install and use. And also Demon souls by default uses Frame duplication which can show in the fps counter as a constant 30fps but choppy gameplay (the 60 fps patch disables that and the frame limit)
Would have loved to see the performance of Ryujinx on that Mac, specially since they released a version a few months ago!
Grats on 1 million subs bro!
Would definitely be curious to see the performance of the base model Mac Mini as well!
Loved the video! Thanks!
I just checked the price on this M2 Pro. 1569€. That better be an emulation machine for that price.
yeah this video is entirely stupid, its a Arm but lets ignore the price and the fact that its magnitudes higher than an X86
M2 base model performs very simmilar and is 599
Maybe pick up a used one of these some day. Pretty cool to see how decent the performance is here.
been waiting for this!!! ARM FTW
Honestly, this is the M2 review material that I’ve been waiting for.
M2 Pro here though, just keep that in mind.
Ryujinx (Switch emulator) runs natively on Apple Silicon and e.g. Metroid Dread runs perfect even on the base M1 chip. ;-)
Congratulations on 1 million subscribers
This is an amazing video!! Thank you.
As a die hard sports video game fan. Have you tried any Madden, FIFA, or NHL games for the PS2/PS3 emulators? Say between 2006-now?
Yay, ps2 @8x, and can play ps3 is my dream. thank you so much. now I need to save up for an os I have never try.
That’s epic!
I’m excited to start playing games again.
How long have you been emulating?
crazy how good some of these old games look on higher resolutions
Great video! Have you tested some VR emulators?
Awesome video, that's impressive. But it is a M2 Pro, wished you did the baseline M2. Can you do that too? Looking forward to the other videos!
Thanks for the content, much appreciated.
Is it LPDDR4 or LPDDR5?
Awesome video. Can you please test out some mmorpg games like World of Warcraft Dragonflight, Guild Wars 2 on your next video?
Nice review! Would you consider looking into a Microsoft Project Volterra PC?
Ryujinx runs amazingly well for SWITCH emu on the mac. I ended up selling my switch and have been enjoying all the latest games on my 4k monitor.
Pretty to see Windows alternatives getting better game support Linux/Mac
This is the beauty of macOS compared to iOS or tvOS, installing whatever you want is actually possible and easy to do, on iOS you need to deal with the whole having to sign apps every 7 days thing which is a pain, and why the iPad will never replace a Mac for me.
8x resolution on PS2 is an absolute game changer, holy wow.
Thank you for making such good, informative, clean video
What is the green spinning grassy blob thing in the top left on your screen during some of your demos, btw? Is that to visualise frame count somehow?
This is the first Time i 've found the Emulators. OMG Thank you ;) i'm 40 Years younger in Seconds:))
“I’m usin’ the Vulcan backend”
We need T-shirt’s 😂
Very cool!
ETA, do you have a good video on setting up emulators? like what graphic settings for each emulator?
I'm really curious how well the standard M2 would run things... It's the one I'm seriously considering
What keyboard is that in the background? And what keycaps are on it? Looks clean.
That's really a power house there
Thanks!
Hey ETA Prime, what with that green orb thing you have up when showing Mario kart @7:28
Running an emulator on an emulator and still delivering great performance. Incredible chips.
Honestly with these chip sets I feel like Apple could make a killer handheld similar to the steam deck if they really wanted to. I doubt they would because it would eat into iPad sales and isn’t really a focus of theirs
You mean, like an iPad Mini with built-in physical buttons and grips?
I’d be fine with an iPad if only Apple gave it the same app freedom as macOS! And frankly, Apple products would be considered attractive gaming platforms today IF Apple hadn’t gone pretty hardcore into intentionally ruining their gaming reputation in the late 90’s, trying to control developers and magazine publications to set the narrative that businesses could trust employees to get work done on Mac.
Because I have such an old Mac I'd love to see your review on a browser emulator: WebRcade - I've got it to work, but there are so few videos on it. I'd love to see your take.
I emulate ps3 on my base m1 mac, i dont play alot of triple a games so i still see some good performance
I think it may still be a little early, but I'd love to see how well emulation works on Asahi Linux now that they have the M2 graphics drivers up and running!
Pretty sure they dont have for the m2 pro and Max yet, bit i am pretty sure Lina is about to get that
Also it’s only the early versions of OpenGL so it won’t really run anything that well. Can’t remember if I saw somebody trying to test a ps1 emulator
I really doubt its gonna be better than mac os.
(I tend to buy 'old computers') been keeping an eye on Asahi.... I'm sure others will join the "oh my god, these SoCs are amazing!" linux "repurposing" distros...
Can you do a emulations guide for each one that you use in your videos so I can play my games full speed.
I was curious about Ryujinx performance as well, perhaps a future vid?
I'm planning on getting a Mac mini m2 Pro and now that I see how well emulation can do on it .... I can put gaming on the device itself like psx 1 games and ps2 jrpg games oh man I can have al to of fun with that.....I was thinking macOS is great , but it sad that it can't do much steam gaming ffxiv runs like 46 fps on my Mac mini m1 and yeah im hoping Mac mini m2 will run FFXIV a lot better. anyhow great video and its cool Mac mini m2 pro can run a lot of console games.
I just bought the M2 Pro. The exact same model you got and I can run breath of the wild at 1080P 60 frames per second.
so can my i5 9500 mini hp i got from ebay for 150 bucks LMAO
@@dannyt1705… well aren’t you just special. There’s always one in the comments.
@@digitaldazzle5836 Back at you : there is always one special kind of dummy that spends 1500 to do something that 150 can just as well ... smh
@@dannyt1705 ... You're a liar too. Breath of the wild is the most graphically demanding game on the WiiU. You shouldn't get jealous of others because you can only afford a $150 walmart PC.
@@dannyt1705 …. Excuse me, a used hand me down PC from eBay.
@eta prime Could you put link to your recommend handheld controllers to use with this setup?
I wish this would have featured the base model Mini. I'd be more apt to get that one on a whim.
Ryujinx is Apple silicone native and awesome performance for switch emulations
Hi ETA PRIME. Love your videos. Can you try playing Hogwarts Legacy with that? Or any of the new macbooks? TIA!
love your keyboard! What keyboard is that? Thanks!
Nuphy Air 75
@@igorilyasov2057 The Air 75 is not the same size. I believe it's the Nuphy Air 60.
Ryujinx would be cool to test in the future! They just released a mac version
I have an old mid 2010 iMac running hi Sierra. Put in a 500 gig ssd plus a 2Tb hdd and 20 gig ram. I use parallels to run windows and successfully use Solidworks albeit not with ideal graphics but it works. Looking at Mac mini m2 and wondering what best set up would be. Would emulators be better? Also I suppose I should wait for the M3 Mac mini
would love to see that GT4 footage!!
Do you have the dyslexia issue where you mix up your left and right?
GT4 is a masterpiece, even better in emulation and upscaled resolution and oh boy it holds up even today imo.
It is! I just started replaying on my new laptop with AMD 6600H and even at 1080 I’m blown away how good GT4 looks.
Guys don’t worry. I have the M2 base model and breath of the wild is incredible! I can still run the game at 1080p 45 frames a second.
Are you also going to test the new M2 Max chips?
Funny thing is that there is a version of Going Commando for the PS3, however it only runs at 720p
I would I’d to see more on the base model m2 mini
I'm still waiting for DosDude1 to get his hands on one of the newer Mac Mini or Macbooks to give the final verdict on whether or not any of the parts are upgradeable or not. Unfortunately, the newest stuff doesn't seem to be his particular area of interest, so unless someone just buys one and chucks it at him to tinker with, it's unlikely that he'll get around to it any time soon. We all thought the original Macbook Air wasn't upgradeable and he swapped the processor and RAM on one.
Raspberry pi on steroids
😂
costs about as much too
Apple Silicon is one of the greatest things that came in IT the last years. When you pay 50 cents per KWh power, a super efficient PC is worth gold. I love my MacMini, even though it's M1, but it's great enough.
which controller did you successfully used? which version of Mac OS?
You should include Switch emulation using Ryujinx for MACOS as well, would be really great to see that…
Seeing ppsspp emulator and the god of war 2 game brings back so many memories.
I think you should have put in the subject line that you're referring to the Pro - there's a big price difference between it and the base M2.
Double the price, double the gpu performance and cpu as well.
I would like see the Mac Mini booted into Windows. A dual boot would be absolutely awesome. If it could dual boot, I would buy one. Hopefully also get a discount through your CZcams channel.
@Garrus Vakarian Thanks for replying. It was easy when Apple was using Intel CPUs. But now it sounds like it’s MACOS for a while.
@@DJAYPAZ The ball is in Microsoft's court... Windows on ARM doesn't have standalone licensing at the moment, presumably because of a deal with Qualcomm for Snapdragon exclusivity. Hopefully that will change down the road, and Craig Federighi has been on record saying that their silicon will run Windows if Microsoft decides to license it. I would love to see a return to Bootcamp using these processors. My M1 Max has incredible performance in Parallels with Windows 11 (better than Microsoft's own SQ chipsets) so running that on bare metal will be a game changer.
I do agree. Native boot / bootcamp would be nice to see. Until then, parallels runs windows 11 incredibly with video acceleration but dx12 support isn't there yet. Using hypervisors like UTM works extremely well, too at no cost but without video acceleration.
With m1 getting tons of new emulation support outta nowhere, i am curious if there’ll ever be support on the m1 iPad Pro and eventually iPhone.
Actually is kinda easy to port a native Apple ARM macOS software to iPadOS and IOS, but the problem is that Apple don’t allow emulation software at they storefront.
You said it has 16GB LPDDR4-6400 and not LPDDR5. Thanks for this review!
how does the base model M2 mac mini handle emulation?
The problam that I had on the previous versions is that in God of War, when there are a lot of red orbs I see some issues and speed drops down, I would really appreciate if you check this. This problem is not related to resolution at all, if you do it with software back in it's ok. Thanks
In today's general use (web browsing, video streaming, etc...) and, specifically, for software development activities, do you think it's better to buy a Mac Mini with M2 Pro (16GB/512GB) or a Beelink GTR6 with Ryzen 9 6900HX (32GB/512GB)?
i think if some reshadered all this games with modern skins. They would look so nice.
it would be great if they could test Metal gear solid 4, as it is a pretty demanding game