Lancia Fulvia Zagato 1600 restoration Pt.6. Stripping the paint reveals shocking bodywork repairs
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2021
- My Lancia Fulvia Zagato Sport 1600 is down at www.prestigerefinishing.co.uk where they have now stripped the paint back top bare metal. I hadn't expected to be back there so quick by I got a call to say the repairs they'd uncovered were so bad I needed to go down to decide what they should do next.. Enjoy the video!
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Sorry that was me. I took my grandmother's Allegro and made it look like a Fulvia. It has lasted quite well. Great to see if again.
spot on
A proper use of a knackered Allegro, mate!
😂😂
hahahaha
Don't you just love it when your car's in a workshop and they call to say 'you need come and have a look at this'.
Harry needs to look carefully at the log book. It may read Austin Allegro.
Oh dear, nearly spilled me coffee over the keyboard 😂😂😂
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I think I’ll take the Allegro…..less frightening in the wallet department,…1500 Super anybody???…well…maybe not then! 😬😬😀
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The Allegro was much better built than this.
Bloody hell. Reminds me of that iconic Peugeot 206 advert with the Indian guys.
That's exactly what I was thinking about, too!
The irony of this ad is Peugeot bought the Hindustan brand in 2017, while the base car in ths ad is an Abassador.
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Let's be honest, the guy who filled & finished it prior to this historical find was a true artist..... Oh and con is missing in his description too 😂
Yeah, but he should've been a sculptor instead of a bodywork guy...
Genuinely impressive in its way
Not only that, but I want to know brand of that filler, half inch and even inch thick layer of it, and no cracking! or popping off. :O
The world needs more people like Harry. He always looks at the positives.
That's because he's filthy-loaded! LuLz
It’s the only way to be isn’t it.
Dodgy overpriced workshops certainly need more punters like harry...
I made the same fundamental mistake with the restoration of my De Tomaso Pantera. I started off with the grimy bits, rebuilding the engine and gearbox and suspension, before turning to the bodywork. I thought it was bad but discovered it was catastrophic. Rightly the car should simply have been parted out. But by the time I discovered the parlous state of the body, I was financially so far committed that I simply had to continue to the bitter end. When I was done I had spent almost double what it would have cost to buy a similar car in similar condition.
That said, as the years went by the car appreciated and eventually caught up with my investment so I am probably now in the black once more. And I get the satisfaction of knowing that I preserved a car that otherwise would have been destroyed.
So press on regardless, regardless of cost. It will only be foolish for awhile!
Those Panteras are ace. Italian style and American muscle! Good on you for keeping it out of the scrap heap.
Here is a short video (it was completely filthy after driving it for a few days…)
czcams.com/video/0Yx45Yb6ddE/video.html
Its no surprise to see a patch work quilt on a Lancia, they were rotten at 5 years old, worth nothing until 15 years ago but they have always been loved, this one is for sure and I'm loving the resto journey on Harry !
Republic of Italia has to offer you honorary ambassadorship for your efforts to make this Zagato great again, Harry!
Next episode; Harry discovers that the Fulvia Sport is going to cost more than the Espada to restore 😳
He's already has.
Will be repaid in fun, no doubt satisfying ...
but this is a Zagato ;-)
@@PhilipDjaferis I think, in this case, that just means "add an extra zero to the cost" 😂
@@PhilipDjaferis was….a Zegato, now just a patchwork metal car
This made me want to cry! Whoever did the filler work was a real artist....
Must have arms like popeye after sanding that lot down!
@@freakysteve140281 There is less fibreglass in my '63 Corvette!
The new benchmark" a three hoover car".
And we hadn’t got it all off 👀
“You were only supposed to take the bloody doors off!”
While Harry speaks in glass half full manner, most of us would be in fetal position, sobbing in the corner of the workshop.
Money no object and paying someone else to do the dirty work helps
if money was no object I don't think he would have been looking to try and keep so much if the patchwork body.
@@stuartaharris there is a fine line between "money no object" bilionaire, and "money no object" type of guy who decides to just rebuild his engine, but still can triple the budget if he wants to continue the restoration.
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And that is Harry, and I bet that is what Mark meant.
When you have a passion AND the money, even an American Ford Pinto is worth restoring, including hand fabrication of body panels from sheet steel. I love that there are people like Harry out there willing to show the world what this poor car needs.
@@blackjacket_ Harry is the type of guy who , if he takes a shine to something he will try and see the project through . If the job costs a few extra grand , and a few extra months work , then so be it . I personally think that a " money no object " guy would not even go near a project like this . That type of person would want the car yesterday .
Despite the bad news, I'm really enjoying your current restoration project series. Thanks for all the great content.
I actually marvel the "filler artist" who did this! All surfaces had been smooth and clean.
FOR SALE: Rebuilt Lancia engine....
Anyone remember Chop-Shop on docovery channel with Bernie and Leepu? All of their cars were filled and painted like this, I remember as a kid thinking that didn't seem right...
To be fair they were muppets.
The title of the show wasn’t even a joke.
They seemed to use a gallon of filler for each panel 🤣
Neither should ever have been allowed on a car TV show........my how things have changed
I wish I couldn't remember it - by far the worst car TV show I have ever seen
It’s going to be a superleggera with all that filler removed
Do some Lexan windows.....
😂😂😂😂
Superfilera. :0)
The fuel filler cap looks okay though.... Christ, and I thought my body was in bad condition. You are a brave and optimistic man Harry. Hope it all comes good in the end.
I'm very thankful that people like you are spending money to keep the Italian car history alive for future generations 👌👍
Hello Frank, how are you doing. I hope you are safe and in good health. Looking for a new friend and i saw your pic here. I hope you don't mind thank you.
Reading the comments, I'm amazed that people haven't comprehended Harry's attachment to this actual car, and his determination to sort it out as a "driver".
If restoring an Italian car, with no sentimental value, the lesson here is strip it to metal BEFORE you rebuild the drive-train, floor etc.
Yes indeed. I would be furious to be presented with this bit by bit by clucking professionals.All very well to go on about old Italian steel, but this car has obviously had an extensive "restoration" by British "craftsmen" sometime in the past.
Do we find in Pt 7 that the car had been rolled and "Sorry, `Arry, it´s not straight, should´ve ´ad it on the jig first....."?
Take a magnet as a minimum when buying an old car.
The great Harry Metcalfe buying a pup is more inspirational than you can possibly realize to us mere mortals. Looking forward to the build.
When you have a passion AND the money, even an American Ford Pinto is worth restoring, including hand fabrication of body panels from sheet steel. I love that there are people like Harry out there willing to show the world what this poor car needs.
On the plus side, it'll weigh a fair bit less lol
Curious if Harry weight this car before he do it with his review cars.
@@pfufoostuff7483 99% sure he's weighed it at some point, gotta be at least a few kilos gone from the roof alone now!
Thank you for the courage and transparency! There’s a lot to learn from this
Like what??
@@peppemberton9948 a thorough inspection of the car prior to buying it for example, in order to know the magnitude of the project and associated fees for example (Harry seemed to be aware of some trouble in the chassis and was prepared for some horror)
Wow! Brave video. I can imagine Harry is thinking in the back of his mind “how much is this going to cost to sort out?” But then again, there’s something really satisfying in investing in a restoration, all these artisan skills of Sam and his team and the outcome, if the right decisions are made, will be fabulous to behold. Good luck Harry, sure it will be incredible in your hands!
Look, some other "Artisan" also made a lot of money building this Plastic Pig before. Hundreds of hours went into the bodge. There has been a real and ongoing failure here to assess this car´s condition. A magnet on all that filler would have instantly flagged up what was in store.
@@martinrichardhorrocks9869 Harry always magnet checks cars and says he knew what he was getting into with this car.
You believe that? Really? Then he's a good stooge but a dumb buyer. His credibility is blown away by this mess.
@@martinrichardhorrocks9869 this individual car is what got him into cars as a child, this specific example, when he found it, he had to buy it, even though it was obvious that it was a wreck.
Don’t rush to judgement, there’s one for sale presently - £50k, much depends on what H will put into it in total. There is also the sentimental aspect, plenty of people pour money into a classic car that has zero chance of being recouped, I’m one of them😁 Not all in the world revolves around £&p, somethings are done to enjoy, Harry makes that crystal clear in the commentary.
Wow, I have never such an extreme patchwork of body panels in my life. Honestly, the fact that this Zagoto was even remotely presentable beforehand is a testament to the quality of the body filler that was used. Amazing that it wasn't all cracking and falling off. Unbelievable.
In America we call filler "bondo." That car was previously owned by James Bondo.
It’s got a clean Carfax though😆
License to Fill ;)
In America you call 'water' ..... waddah.
@@edwardgurhy100 As opposed to woughtah.
@@porsche356a deserves 1st order comment.
Thank Christ the barley harvest was a good one!
No wonder he was counting the straw bales…. £12.00 a go, mmm about 2000 bales should cover the bodywork rebuild.
At the end of the day this is the exact car that turned Harry into a petrolhead- without it we wouldn't have these channels. Plus it left Turin as a Fulvia 1600HF chassis, went up the road to Milan where a pretty bespoke body was fitted and turned up in blighty on the Wirral where Harry first came across it. Remember in the late '70's & early eighties these cars were worth next to nothing so no-one was going to spend a fortune restoring them, it didn't matter if you cocked the bodywork up as the rest of the car was worth little. Nowadays people in the know have cottoned on to how well engineered and how much fun these cars are and with less than 800 1600's made they are becoming increasingly sought after. It has sentimental value too which counts for a lot so well done Harry in your pursuit to get it right. Apart from a respray in 1986 my '72 Fulvia 1600 Sport has never been restored and still has all the correct swage lines & wheel arch lips and more importantly no filler.
As an automotive restoration shop owner by trade. I find work like this all the time with classic cars. Unfortunately, theres a lot more hacks out there than talent.
Glad to see you have a skilled shop bringing your car back from the horrible workmanship of its past.
Nice to hear the opinion/experience of someone in the field. I own an early alloy body Sprint Zagato, it was raced and crashed, yet loved and repaired. It got lots of filler and decent repaint(s), which maintained its lovely contours. Its solid, no cracks in the paint. Corrosion free, but neglected for many years, it is becoming a lovely driving machine. I won’t “restore” it, cosmetically speaking. What would be the point of erasing its history, its personality? The interesting subtle flaws are part of its charm. .. or maybe that’s just a self-justification for being lazy and just enjoying the heck out of driving it.?
We see the dark side of restoration for profit, and then the bright side of care and attention. Such as it is, that little Zagato is going to be one hell of a memory, something to be used and cherished. Bravo Harry, i am sure she will repay you with many happy smiles of motoring.
This is the rare Zagato Isopon model
This is the P38 model.
I bought a 1968 Fiat 124 Sport Coupé that I'd fallen in love with years before, as a teenager. It turned out to be almost as bad as this Lancia when I wanted to restore it: in fact, worse in some places, with sheets of aluminium pop-rivetted in and body filler applied over that! The holes in the outer door sills had been stuffed with newspaper and taped over with masking tape and then thick black underseal paint applied over that! And I bought it from a reputedly 'honest' dealer...! Not having Harry's resources, what was left of the body was eventually consigned to a skip but at least the salvageable bits went to another Sport Coupé owner to help keep his on the road!
hello Elio, how are you doing. I hope you are safe and in good health. Looking for a new friend and i saw your pic here. I hope you don't mind thank you.
Harry is doing well not to burst into tears with the state of this ‘project’. To quote that English expression ‘it’s character building’….
This is exactly the reason why I take a weak magnet when buying classics.
I reckon a strong magnet would have struggled with that thickness of filler
When you see how much a feature that rear crease is on the red one it's incredible no one noticed it was missing on this one.
Hats off for bringing it back to life!
The pain of the expense will be nothing compared to the pleasure you’ll get from seeing this put back together and knowing its been done right. Can’t wait for the next instalment.
To break the news to Harry requires a dose of courage all its own.
Doing my SAAB, right now. Proper steel. Harry, for all the emotion you must feel, seeing this, it's going to a great project.
Nice Fillervia Sport.
Love how Harry keeps his chin up and just gets on with it, can't wait to see the new metal in place.
Being a Millionair sure helps....
@@stevehislop Unusual thought process. Money doesn't maketh the man!
@@why3377 It sure does.It is the basis for most of everybody´s decisions. Give me 5 minutes and my conservative value´s would get me fired at work. I can´t afford to be honest. A rich man can afford to be honest all the time. Harry sure can afford to let other people correct this mess. What is so "manly" about it? He sure got the bucks, so why should he quit? It would be utterly dumb, because the content that is created this way probably pays for the work anyway. So it is really an easy call from him.
@@stevehislop Bless you and your viewpoints.
Image being able to watch content and read comments without negative thoughts entering your mind, it is a wonderful experience that I'm convinced you would enjoy.
Watching and enjoying the content on both Harry's channels, without his financial status entering the mind is the way for me, his wealth is irrelevant.
Try give it a shot and see how you go....who knows, you may like it Steve.
@@why3377 You´re obviously living in an utopia, therefore you´re not entitled to advise me on anything:)
Harry´s financial status is irrelevant for me too, but interpreting his "chin up" attitude as something to admire, like he is now forced to sell burgers at McD to keep that Italian rust bucket together, is just putting too much into it, given the fact he could not care less.Again: The gained YT-money will pay it off anyways, so there is absolutely no nobility here whatsoever.
Try to live in reality, you might like the clarity it gives to your thinking.
Thanks for the informative series.. don’t see many (any?) comments from other Fulvia Sp Zagato owners.. it’s surely not out of the norm for a car of this age, character and origin, to have led a full life .. from proud new owner, to questionable second-hand status, to “flip it” cosmetics.. But it happens frequently. I’m happy to own an early alloy body 1.3 Sp Zagato with loads of repairs from a life of racing and shunts, but it was loved enough to be repaired, repainted and returned to the road. Mine has flaws, it has filler, but it retains the contours, the paint isn’t cracking, I see no corrosion, so the chassis remains solid and stiff. I’m sorting it out after years of little use. It is becoming a fantastic road car, and the cosmetics are to me an integral part of its history, its personality, and its charm. The prior owner is quite a character and I am reminded warmly of him by the little things he did. So, yes, these old but cherished machines are always hiding splendid little details and reminders of their past lives. I might have paid a little too much to buy a classic car, but I’ve never ultimately regretted a purchase, and I’ve grown to love each and every one. Cheers!
One can admire what is going on, but no way could one enjoy it. You are a brave man Harry..when finished it could be the most expensive car in your garage!!!!
Cheers, Bob
hello Bob, how are you doing. I hope you are safe and in good health. Looking for a new friend and i saw your pic here. I hope you don't mind thank you.
Harry the only youtuber I take off adblock so he can kept getting the funds to restore these cars. Poor guy hahaha.
Thank you, Harry. Another car in the right place.
Wow, this is truly horrendous. Kudos to you Harry and the guys for taking the time to put right decades of abuse and neglect.
I'm thankful Harry has taken this project on, mere mortals would have walked away.
To be fair, whoever did the filler-work was an artist!
Wow....very sorry Harry. Look at the bright side, at least you are rescuing a car that is personally special to your life. This car, I could tell from your first videos, is going to be a life long family keeper anyway👍.
Such a special piece of automotive art. So glad it is being saved. Ercole Spada’s little avantgarde girl.
I love that you stay so positive .
I remember about 20 years ago there was a shortage of filler in the industry.
Now we know why! :)
Hi Harry, What a shock this must have been, as a Lancia owner and enthusiast I was also shocked, I think you need a lie down now. Bob
Should have got that pocket like electric pen that tells paint thickness.
'We can save the filler flap. and build a body around that'. I respect how positive you remain after that.
This is just a fine illustration of how advanced this particular Lancia is - extensive use of metal/epoxy composites. All that extra weight improves traction too! What's not to like? I applaud the spirit of innovation exhibited by the previous re-builder.
Am I alone in wondering how the missing lines were not noticed without the need to strip all the paint and filler and find the car was actually supposed to be a different shape? Would having other Zagatos mere feet away not help?
Na! Not in the wide boys workshop..3 hoover loads of filler..3 hoover loads of dosh..!! Let's rip the country bumpkin off ..excellent video, makes me smile.. 🤠
Thank you sir for the great video, I've always loved Lancia cars, your doing great things. From JDS in AZ usa
Really enjoyed seeing/hearing an open discussion about problems and solutions. Thanks 👍🏻
Reste fort Mr M. I'm pleased that there are people with the commitment and wherewithal to do the right thing. It does us all good.
No matter how she looks, paint depth gauge and magnets are your friend
That was my first thought as well, especially if you can't buy replacement panels. Oh and now may be the time to look up "sunk cost fallacy" :)
Harry, we have all been through this experience at the body shop...makes you instantly sick to your whole being, but you have a team there and its all positive and onwards.
Hello, how are you doing. I hope you are safe and in good health. Looking for a new friend and i saw your pic here. I hope you don't mind thank you.
Your commitment to the car is incredible Harry.
Harry, legend, stoic isn’t a strong enough word, crowd fund if you must, this Italian must be returned to some kind of roadworthiness and I for one will pay to see the journey. Legend Harry.
"Hope you enjoyed this video...". "Enjoyed" isn't quite the right word. I feel your pain, Harry!
Italian car goes out for a paint job and returns 30% lighter.
That was a good one 😃
There's alot of "wise comments" being made here, but at the end of the day I didn't read any that predicted this outcome. You can never be sure what you will find 100% until you get it down to bare metal. Sure paint depth instruments are good, but don't forget on the near side there was supposed to be a 3/4 panel welded over the original.
This car has surely had a serious accident in its life. But its a Zagato and at least the owner didn't scrap it, but it certainly got a mega bodge job, which at the end of the day has saved it for someone like Harry to come along and get the job done properly. Bravo Harry, I am sure despite the wallet wincing cost it will be all the more satisfying to see it finished in the end.
Harry you have 475k viewers out here living vicariously through you and I suspect all of us wanting new panels made. Go on Harry, you know you want to🤣
John from Brisbane
Shocking 😱... but this will probably end up as the nicest Fulvia in the UK SOON. 👍🏻 Old Italian cars are either A) A lace-curtain of rust, or B) A patchwork quilt, as Harry's seems to be! 😵
Hello Peter, how are you doing. I hope you are safe and in good health. Looking for a new friend and i saw your pic here. I hope you don't mind thank you.
Somebody somewhere must be saying “remember doing that!” Got it moved on! Surprised Harry with all his knowledge and experience didnt pick this up, the car isnt even the right shape in some areas
Hello Stanley, how are you doing. I hope you are safe and in good health. Looking for a new friend and i saw your pic here. I hope you don't mind thank you.
Thieves, scoundrels and blaggards. The people that repaired this before. It makes you want to spit blood. Thank god for these two gents.
Excellent video as always. Harry, Thanks very much for these fantastic cars and the work thereon. The craftsmanship throughout many videos is breathtaking!
Third in... and looking forward to this being completed. Good lord... what have previous owners done to the Zagato??? Love this car. Think of this though Harry... without all that filler, it's 50+lbs lighter now and lighter means faster. :) and once it's done you'll likely have the nicest Zagato in the UK.
I presume Harry keeps no secrets from his wife, although the final bill for this might be his first. Good luck, Harry.
Only a beta lets the wife know anything.
@@thomasmulhall4873 Excellent! How is life in Gilead?
What a mess. Can't imagine the amount of time and money that will be needed to bring this car back to life. It's been a fascinating journey so far and I can't wait to see the completed project, but man, you have my heart-felt sympathy. This is a big project! It's like trying to cut out cancer tumors while doing plastic surgery to preserve anything close to the appearance of a healthy body.
It breaks my heart to see what someone did to this car in a previous life! Thank you so much Harry for sticking with it, it will be amazing if and when you get it finished.
The Metcalfe cheque book’s getting a proper workout this year. I don’t suppose Mrs Metcalfe wanted a holiday this year any way! 😆
Are you kidding me? They can take the Espada to their yacht in Monaco and that's something not many people can....
It's a good job you've had a good barley harvest on your Farm Harry, to cover some of the cost !!!!!
It’s amazing how skilled some metal workers are: it’s going to take top skills to repair that shell and a lot of dosh !
Looking forward to seeing it finished.
Been watching your channel for a while now and can't remember ever hearing you deflated like that before. Can't wait for the one where you pick it up and it's all smiles as it takes you straight back to '72.
Hope the harvest yield is good this year .
.going to need it for jag and this ouch...
But worth it, cars like these need to live on.. enjoyed , thanks for sharing..😎👍
Just goes to show you - that even an expert like Harry can end up with a lemon if they don't to a proper pre-purchase inspection.
Paint thickness gauge is an absolute must when buying any classic car!
Thanks for posting Harry. I thought I wanted my own classic Alfa. Having second thoughts now.
Good for you Harry for sticking with it, seeing it back then at such an impressionable age means emotions outweigh everything, my road in West London had two notable cars when I was a schoolboy a Mk IX Jaguar that was taller than me and later a white Toyota 2000GT. Other cars got into my blood but that's another story.
When plasters do car repairs, would have been good to see that first repair being done.
Just clearcoat it and race it. Looks cool like this, fix it when you retire the car.
That's an excellent suggestion. Almost tempted to do just that! 👍
@@harrysgarage Or have it epoxy primed and wrapped. You can always change the wrap as your moods change. Have a different livery every year if you want. Let fans sign it, sticker bomb it, whatever. Either option will probably save you about $20k.
@@harrysgarage you’re in a tough spot with this one Harry! We’ve all got a few like this in our past. Replace the rust, relieve the stress in the panels, pound them out as best you can. Splice in any openings, apply strong durable filler and go racing. You have to draw a line on this one.
That's a great idea!!
You beat me to it!
An unbelievable amount of restoration work!
" We like a challenge". Well, then- consider the challenge issued, good sirs. Can't wait to see your work. Brave lads indeed.
It’s like Frankenstein. I bought a cottage in our village I though worth saving. Turned out I’d bought a building plot. Luckily I had the same genius artisans you have and we made a lovely little dwelling.
You burnt it down didn't you? :D
Opinion: I think you'd do best to get these guys to fabricate complete new panels. It would also be fascinating to see.
Wow. This was tough to watch, yet still incredibly fascinating. Best of luck to you Harry with moving forward on this project. (As well as to all of the amazing craftsmen whose hands your Lancia now finds itself dependent upon for its revival.)
Hats off to you firstly for being the saviour and to these guys whose skills are off the charts
Together you make life interesting and these videos are pure class
Fabulous efforts
I would say that it looks like it has been rolled.
I was wondering the same thing. What could have caused that amount of damage and was it all ‘repaired’ at the same time? A roll would seem to be the answer?
Exactly ….
Hi Graham
Ouch! This always was my favourite car of yours Harry - it'll be magnificent when finished and will definitely remain the one I want to take home!! :-)
Not including the espada??
Even though I have a stalled XJC project of my own (so am following your XJC restoration with much interest) I have to say this is, perhaps, the most fascinating video series you've put up so far, Harry. Much like your Espada series, where we were introduced to the amazing talent of Ian Tyrell, we now get to see what real craftsmen can do to restore what is such a little gem of a car. Heavy news for you to be sure, and you have my sincere sympathies, but also a tremendous addition to your channel. I can't wait to see the end result. Good luck with it!
Wow this is so crazy. Thanks for showing this and that you are still on to make it nice again. Will be a fun little car than.
That would be a very solid car by Bermuda standards. For every MOT equivalent I used to plaster increasing amounts of filler and then top coat on our 20 year old Subaru Vivio. As long as it was cosmetically ok it would pass.
H, me old mate, you have opened the proverbial can of worms there! 0.8mm steel clad in 25mm of filler! I'm surprised you weren't losing slabs of that over the bumps!
That's some quality filler work, ain't it ? 😂 I'd consider employing the perpetrator had I a paintshop .....
So much respect to you Harry. Car shell is basically a write off but when you framed it as an exercise of demonstrating these British artisans craftsmanship its of limitless value. Loving this, thank you!
Our hero. Thanks Harry