The Sig Sauer P365 SAS is Trippy! | THE FIRST MAG
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- The Sig Sauer P365 SAS
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I love my P365. No, I really love my P365 so I wasn't exactly itching to get my hands on the SAS version because I'm extremely happy with my P365. That being said, I went to the Sig Sauer Academy and got my hands on the P365 SAS. Let's just say, this sighting system is different. Really different.
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IMO, the Sig Instructor's advice was key...focus on target. I would add "point shoot" (Applegate style) and let sight peripheral flash confirm. This will be alien to most "front sight focus" shooters.
More and more people realise that it is just more natural to use target focus, especially when it comes to real world application. But front sight focus shooting works so well for precise shooting on the range that many people just stick to it. It’s probably best to be able to do both.
epultimast better? Depends on your objective IMO. If the goal is accuracy, FSF is probably best. But in a real life gun battle I can guarantee you that most people will threat focus.
@@chasemer6 that’s what I was trying to say. People practice day in and day out FSF on the range and then will be unpleasantly surprised in a real life gun battle when they don’t find their sights.
@@epultimast never been in a gunfight myself but I've made it a point to only pay for classes from people who have and I've heard one say that you're likely to "point shoot". But I've heard others say that they were always able to find their sights first. It probably depends how well you can handle stress as well as how often you train/practice.
Thank you. I was scrolling to see if someone explained that instruction. My instructor chewed my ass for "peaking at the target" when my groupings were off. I was baffled to hear the opposite because the way I was taught gives me quarter-sized groupings, but only when I am a good student and follow the instructions. If I was out a tiny bit I got hell. It worked. Worked on my kids too. I shot a red-dot site once but I couldn't remember if aiming was different. Thank you thank you thank you. I'm not crazy! I was taught correctly.
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@stratman Dude after learning about those S15 mags the 43x looks like one of the best carry guns out there.
@Steven Prime "...The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." - The Constitution of the United States Of America.
@Steven Prime, Love the passion! But armed patriots must resist nonviolently and through law and order. We are still far away from needing open civil war against authorities under oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution, even when our interpretation of 'defending the Constitution' is different from theirs!
@@reaality3860 You'll never have victory with such a weak attitude.
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I bought the SAS yesterday...I've shot 50 rounds through it and I love it!
Have you tried low light shooting yet? Would be interested in how the sights present in various lighting conditions.
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@ColiolNoir sharpshooter, Navy. It almost looks like you are dropping your eyes at last second to gun sight, instead of staying focused on target. That drops the shot. Also, great review. Be safe. God bless you and yours.
Hey Deniese, also Sharpshooter, Navy. Also, so what? You spelled his @ wrong. Attention to detail, and no one cares how awesome you are.
Not following through with shot is common error in shooting especially pistols.
OutdoorShellback 👈 WTF?
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Sharpshooter, Call of Duty. Have you tired no scoping? Also, aim bot works just as well. Cheers.
The sights remind me of the old S&W ASP 9mm. What they called "guttersnipe sights".
I dig it brother !
Yup same thoughts....asp video by gun Jesus is pretty gud
where can I get those type of Guns with sights?
Kinda reminds me of a colt new agent
Absolutely
I had that sight on my hk p30 and after using it for 2 months and about 1500 rounds, i removed it. You need to keep your head straight like a red dot and in a combat situation you roll your head down and you shift your point of aim/point of impact. As well the slightest movement breaks the outer ring which indicates you will be off target. I do like the p365 but that snag free design is not conducive to single hand manipulations off a barricade or belt/boot in the event of an injury. My opinions are my own and please keep up the good work with all you are doing.
Good tip on the snag free design & excellent point on this pistol not being condusive to single hand reloads.
All very good points s s c
I noticed the head roll down too. Raise your arms a bit bringing the sights to your eyes instead of your eyes to the sights. It’s a hard habit to break but will make most people’s shooting improve.
so TLDR for others, it's basically a reddot without the angle of deviation allowance ("non-paralax") which would mean maybe a benefit in single plane focus but no benefit in operation of arms over a RMR should you be able to carry one?
Go get some training, you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
I have the p365 SAS. The first time I shot 50 rounds I was low left Center Mass at 7 yards out. The second time I went to range I put another 50 rounds and this time I was more Center Mass. Does take time to adjust your eyes to the site mounted within the barrel.
It's a great defense gun at the ideal distance of a threat, 5 to 10 yards out.
I was the opposite. Low and to the left pretty much every time I shoot. Tried an SAS, and shot out the hole in the middle of the target. Fantastic gun. Love the sight.
When I first got my Sig P238 my shots constantly grouped low because I was aiming using a 'lollipop sight picture'. It wasn't until I researched my Sig's sights & learned that I needed to use a 'combat sight picture', which to me at the time was counterintuitive (it was my first handgun). But once I learned how to properly aim with a 'combat sight picture' I got much better hitting the target that I was wanting to hit. It's just a mindset on using that style of sight system. I imagine this P365 SAS will have a bit of learning curve as well if you're not used to it's sight system. Good luck!
This gun is not meant for competition. This is a close range, point shooting, defensive weapon.
The low left shots where nice liver shots. But ideally center mass is the better shot.
This is correct
Guys, please, what does he means when he says "it has porting" and "the porting in this is nice", or "I wish I had the porting"? What is "the porting"?
@@vladmordekeiser1054 Venting holes in the top of the barrel and the slide for the expended gases. It gives a directional thrust to keep the weapon more level. It reduces felt recoil and allows you to maintain a better sight picture.
@@briankeeney9272 Thank you! NOW I finally understand it.
I absolutely love the Meprolight FT Bullseye... once I got used to it. I had one on a glock 27 and an m&p 40c. It is easily the most intuitive, easiest to acquire sight without going rmr/red dot.
Kind hearted correction: it's not just fiber-optic. It has tridium gas. Works amazingly in day or night. My only complaint is glare on the sight when in a well lit place
In a well lit environment, you can just use the red dots appearing on the target for hit confirmation...
That's essentially a "Meprolight FT Bullseye sight' that has been set into the slide, I have had that sighting system on my Glock for a bit over a year now, took a bit to get used to but once I did I really like it.
Anyone else find the sound of gunfire strangely calming
William Winder there are videos with 2 hours just of gun sounds on CZcams
only time gunfire would panic me is in the middle of the night. only time the lack of gunfire would panic me, is at a gun range.
I sure do my friend!
Very calming
Yeah I go to sleep to them outside my apartment all the time 😂
Colion, you can order the sight used on the Sig P365 SAS for use on other handguns from Meprolight who is the maker of the sight. It is their FT Defender and it is available for dovetail mounting on numerous handguns including the Glock 19 which is what I have one mounted into! To use the sight, you center the dot inside the circle then shoot. What that sight does is insure the barrel is parallel to the ground and not twisted to the right or left.
Just bought my SAS last week and can’t wait to try it out. Thanks for the review, now I know what to look for in the differences.
That sure is pretty looking.
Missing the range now, guess Sunday is range day.
It’s a close in defensive gun, and you need to train with it like any gun. Hicock was ringing steel and the gong with it. I like mine.
Yeah he was. He shoots better than almost anyone.
@@CapFlipGaming Hey, if we had free ammo and guns, and our own range within walking distance of our front door, well you know.
@@treeguyable it's all I would do haha.
But... did Hickok smoke pot with it?
when the weather is bad and i cant shoot, i can always watch others shoot.
Fred Ttime to invest in your own indoor range 👌🏽
I laugh and cry for you
Train as you fight. Never plan to fight in the rain?
"If it ain't raining, you ain't training." I say this, because if you ever have use your carry gun, it could be raining or snowing, day or night. You should train in all weather types, to be your very best any time.
I love this gun for my low light night stand and concealed carry for fishing and other night time activities like camping. Just the slightest bit of light makes the reticle pop, and it is so small the carry is easy even with gym shorts or other dressed down gear. Just a cool feature that works well in several situations where others may be a bit uncomfortable or less effective.
I just bought this one. Picking it up Sunday at my shop. I can’t wait….
Hey, its Scott. Good dood. He's who I got my instructor certifications through. Good to see he's still there
Love my sas.. Reading that "older" eyes or corrective lens tend to pick up the sights well. Definitely a short range gun but that's what it's designed for.
Filled out the paperwork on one yesterday... watched a thousand reviews and once I seen EVERY body had issues with the sight I backed out. Can't be missing and hitting someone else in a high stress situation.
I made the leap about 2 months ago, and don't have any regrets. Like with any firearm, practice and range time are key.
I've had zero issues with mine. I rented one and loved it so much I bought one that day. Salesmen all said everyone either loved it or hated it. No middle ground. I recommend trying one out before you either buy or decide not to buy.
Disclaimer: I've always had issues with three dot sights. They just never clicked with me. I can use them, but I can't seem to get acquire a fast sight picture. The weird SAS sight immediately made sense to me, and I was popping off bullseyes like they were nothing.
I had the meprolight ft bullseye sights installed on my Glock 20 for about a year, but just recently, I went back to traditional style Tru Glo's. No matter how much I shot with the meprolight sight I just couldn't gain the confidence I needed with it... I like the idea, and they are super cool looking, but not for me. I'm just programmed for the traditional sights I guess. After switching back my groups tightened up and I feel much quicker acquiring my target. I advise anyone thinking about buying this gun to try and shoot with the sights first... It's very different.
Damn good muzzle discipline the whole time. Dont see enough of that.
I absolutely love the x-rays on the standard P365. I'm open to trying the SAS but love the x-rays so much not to switch.
Same same brother
Is the the x-rays the same as the m17's tritium night sights?
I have it and LOVE it. really like that ported barrel. Had to adjust to that slide release.
So now I get what the instructor was saying keep your eye on the target your peripheral will catch the site and you should be able to hold on Center which I have to try when I go to the range with my next time thank you for your time to review this I really liked the setup and I'm getting used to it you have a blessed day
Two questions:
The X-Ray 3 standard sighting system receives high praise. The new system, while Snag free, will require an entirely different sight acquisition technique / mind set of which the most likely purchasers will not invest the time needed to master. Value added?
Micro-compacts in 9x19mm, whilst significantly more effective than the 380 suffer from significant reduced muzzle velocities due to the short barrels. The porting will increase the reduction and increase the weapon's report but to what extent? Value added?
Worth it?
P. S. Certainly a functional / usable / no snage slide release could have been utized..... yes?
Thank you Colion for all you do.
Best SAS review I've seen yet. Thanks for talking through the technique. I carry a P938 SAS and love it. Took some time to get used to it, and lots of dry practice; now it's quick and effective.
I had to give this a like because of the AC/DC jacket!
After "front sight! front sight! front sight! front sight!" has been pounded into my head and positive results to match, this seems to be a step in the wrong direction. Besides, if you cant find that dot, you have no idea which direction to move in. Ill be sticking with the classic night sights. Also, porting a personal defense pistol IMO is potentially a bad move. If you are fighting off an attacker close range, possibly with your off hand, the last thing I want is hot gasses burning me if I fire against my body.
Damn royalties. If any moment needed some “Back in Black” playing, it was your strut up to the target, lol. Regarding the SAS sight. Try the bullseye sight that rides above the slide. I bet your groups will be more like your regular sight groupings.
People who have become good with traditional sights will struggle with a different system. It took 3 range trips to get used to Big Dots.
This system would be easy for a new shooter to learn.
Love the look and feel of the SAS, but other CZcamsrs are having the same accuracy issue with those sights. Still prefer the normal 365 or Hellcat.
Once you learn the sight picture, it should be no problem at 30 ft . Took a few mags for me to get it on target.
SAS is my first gun owned but not first shot I really believe that since I didnt learn with iron sights and learned with this Fiber optic sight that I didn't have issues that someone who used to iron sight would have
The sights on the sas were designed for quick engagements at typical SD range so I'm not surprised that they aren't as precise. I think what people want to see is how does it compare in speed engaging and transitioning between targets
I believe you are correct, sir. I bought one and it was a little weird at first as it was all new to me but with aging eyes I found it quicker to get on target. It took me a few mags to get used to it but I bought it as a carry gun for close up work, not a target gun. I managed to keep 'em all in a six inch circle consistently and that's good enough for me. I just can't get those super tight groups with regular sights anymore anyway and in the real world, if you ever have to use it you won't be able to take your time on target for precision shooting. That said, I really like my SAS and found it much much more comfortable to shoot than my old Kahr PM 9.
I am about to buy one or the other. Still going with standard P365. First time I was handed one to test, I was accurate with it. Thanks for the video and EVERYTHING YOU DO for GUN RIGHTS!!!
Just got an SAS. Appreciate you.
I get it after what the sig guy said about keeping the target in focus so basically you have to treat this just as you would a red dot sight, target in focus and overlay dot
Thanks for staying in the fight, It's something we all need to do.
God bless and take care.
You should take the ported barrel out of the SAS and put the standard barrel in the SAS to see if there ports effect the accuracy or if it’s the Meprolight sights that are off. Because some people say it’s the ported barrel that creates the inaccuracy. Some say it’s the meprolights that throw the accuracy.
Excellent review, thank you. I too found the very cool and very not instinctive sights fascinating. The gun is so well made, fits ergonomically better than almost any other gun I’ve owned or tried, and yet those sights just take a lot of getting used to.
Remember the good old days when you could buy ammo and go to the range, shoot, and not realize that there was no ammo you could buy to replace what you just used up?
Sunday, I was running a cash register in my head - if can even find it. Miss not doing that. Some boxes I was pulling out were still priced reasonably, but replacing them will be a different animal.
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@@silvermediastudio what does that mean?
im no expert but the low shots from the barrel being ported would make a lot of sense. since normally you'd be compensating for more flip
Have the same sight on my government 1911, it’s fucking awesome and fast as hell.
I held this gun today. Trippy sight system to say the least. Center is the dot inside the circle ⭕️. I definitely would never carry a ported pistol either for Self defense. Sig is definitely starting to step it up though for sure.
Carry this everyday. 365SAS is a stellar carry firearm. 15 plus one. Nothing like it.
I've heard the same thing from several experienced shooters that checked out the SAS in stores but didn't actually shoot it ..their eyes just didn't work with that sight for some reason...porting seems to be a good upgrade idea. Stay strong and keep fighting the good fight! Thanks for all your doing..
Yeah,I wonder if Glock makes them ?
I imagine they do.
Hated it - sold it and got a standard P365 love it! My SAS Bullseye sight crapped out after my 3rd cleaning. Sig admitted that if you get ANY cleaner in/on the sight-it will destroy it. I’m VERY. careful and not sloppy when o clean my guns - but somehow it ruined the sight - it just goes black. Sig repaired or send me a new one (5-year warranty on the sight). I sold it as soon as I got it back. Also I hated the sight/picture.
Still nice grouping. With zero direction. Very nice. Also the jacket is live.
I think you have the only review I’ve seen that you mentioned you “want” the porting
Well done. Excellent review. Straight forward. No BS. I have an SAS and I like it. Yes, there is a learning curve with those sights, but not too much. However, I didn’t buy it with the intention of going target shooting. That’s not what it is designed for. I practice point and shoot. You might be surprised how accurate you can be that way. I expect it to save my butt in a real life, on the street emergency situation where I need to get it out and up in a very big hurry. I expect my target would probably get powder burns in addition to all of the little holes in its center mass. That’s the way it is on the street.
Nice you came to New Hampshire and didn't even stop in.
I love my 365. It’s the standard version, has a safety, no biggie, kind of like the thumb safety on this gun for appendix carry. The p365 is arguably a great shooting pistol for being as small as it is. When I first shot one, it almost felt like I was shooting a Glock 19 sized gun (other than the small feel in the hand). Very smooth for a small gun. Not as kicky as you’d expect. Love it
I love the P365 SAS. Especially that Sig makes it non-ported barrel version now. It’s for self defense that’s usually close range not matches hitting bulleye targets at 25 to 50 yards.
I like your videos...probably a great guy to have beers with....nice work!
The optic looks like the dot is too big maybe 6 Moa , Which is fine for CQB and quick acquisition. possibly need to have one with a smaller dot for accuracy and precision And possibly made to be adjustable For windage and elevation
Just got one of these, looking forward to running it. Hello from NH
I don’t feel like this gun is for small groups but mainly for fast targets 8” or so
Compact, no-snag, good capacity. Yeah, this isn't a marksman's pistol, but a dedicated defensive pistol.
How was it to shoot in your opinion?
@DV8 *** there are _always_ compromises. Unless your defensive handgun has a bipod? But I understand, I wouldn't choose the SAS unless I found I could shoot it accurately.
@DV8 *** Hi. It comes down to sights. On competition guns with 1 mm fiber optics, you can be very accurate at small targets but it takes a just a little longer to acquire. With defensive sight, they're usually larger but faster to pick up but would cover very small targets unless you can your hold.
I only shot 2 mags . It’s a mussel memory thing . My normal draw/sight/fire doesn’t line up . It shot smooth but will take practice
Mark a Bold Level line across your target Center all the way across.
Painters tape works.
(Point shooting drill. Worked for me, canting side to side easier for me to correct, having a quick peripheral ref helped build memory bringing to proper level. Line the dot in the center of the Tape?)
You kind of look like Martin on this video.
Ha!
Juan Ch thought the same thing
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I handled an SAS earlier today and it is cool. A problem with it will be shooting in low light or dark. The fiber optic appears to be from amplified light. If you cover the light window on the slide the green dot is not visible.
Ported guns are nice for reducing recoil, do not want the ported barrel for low light shooting. The flash will blind you for a sec and throw off your sight picture. At least in my opinion.
I’m a small dude, 5’7”, and I went to the store tonight with my fresh new permits (for my state lol…), looking to buy a P365. Turned out that the P365 had such a small grip that I could not justify buying it. If you’re smaller than I am, or are far better than I am, then go for it. For me I left buying a P365X. The grip size was the main factor. The P365 was not manageable even at my size.
What a unique sight picture
Thing for me is I can shoot center of mass by looking over the slide. I don't notice sights unless it's beyond 25 yards
The angle you held the gun at 1:43 and 1:57 shows how bright the sights are
Just bought my SAS. I’m ignoring the negativity until I go to the range with it.
Would love for you to do a review on the new Canik Tp9 Elite SC
Worthy to note.. this works off the Bindon Aiming Concept. Effectively, your dominant eye is seeing the dot and your non-dominant is seeing the background/target, and your brain blends the two into a super-imposed field of view. It is why you can shoot a red dot with the objective cap closed and both eyes open, looking "past" the RDS.
I prefer traditional sig sights, but everyone has there own taste, thank u from nyc
Colion, the sight works, its called getting old and needing bifocals:):):) . Great video and thx for sharing
As a senior wearing glasses I’ve found it’s easier to focus on the rear sas site and alignment with target is much faster. It’s not meant for tight groups.
$250. you can purchase an sas nonported slide!
@@mikehenry5046 I am 48 and currently struggling with my eyes and wearing regular glasses vs readers. I need to pick up some trifocals and give that a shot
Angus would approve! 🤟
Shoot to thrill!
Damn Colion, now i need a “CARRY ROTATION”.
I didn’t before but I do now‼️
Btw, anyone else catch Colion’s “George Jefferson walkup” (arms swingin) to the firing line? I was crackin’ up. 😅
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It helps when you want to change up your outfits and don't want to dress around your 1 gun. Sometimes it isn't always about the biggest gun but the one that doesn't pull your basketball shorts down when you aren't feeling like a belly band holster today. Only issue outside of trying to balance training with it is taking too much time deciding which one or two you will take out today. For me I even have matching EDC knives.
Yeah I did! 🤣😂
Go get some training
This guy understands his assignment !!!!
It seems they took a lot of suggestions to heart. I just obtained one of these. They did away with the porting, which I think is great. And mine is great POA/POI.
Nice vid. Was thinking of buying a Sig 365 SAS. But after watching your vid and 3 other vids. They all shot to the lower left. So now thinking of getting a 2nd Sig 365 micro (have the XL).
Yeah, Tim from MAC also had trouble getting used to the sighting system.
If you are used to using the old style of sights, it takes some getting used to. If a person who never shot before uses it, they are dead on.
Sorry, people who never shot are not going to be “dead on” as you put it. It’s not magic. Small pistols are harder to shoot well for all shooters experienced or not.
Jim Assalone I think he means learn on the gutter sights first then you’d have less trouble.
A lot of experienced shooters had difficulties adjusting to red dots. As a newer shooter I picked it up right away so this is probably similar situation
Hey fellas, I don't think your responses are incorrect, but MAC had one that was so far high and left that he literally couldn't hit a man sized target at 25 yards. He got a second one and had no issues.
I love my P365...its my main carry. I just recently got the Glock 43X...it shoots really well.
That's some cool heat. Haven't had much trigger time on mine yet. Its different and will take more than a few rounds to be up to speed. There's some trade off, lose some distance accuracy for speed of "no snag" ability to draw. Definitely for up close and personal when speed and reliability counts the highest. For me, I'll be carrying my full frame 226 AND this 365 SAS.
Great gun. It’s crazy that it comes from a company that started out making wagon wheels.
Will stick with the standard p365 myself,Shoots great and have had zero problems with it up till now,Great little gun for the money
Rockin’ the AC/DC jacket! Back in Black!🤘
Just picked up the sas great video brother. Thank you for helping is keep our gun wrights.
The p365 series is my favorite. I have all them except this one. I'm gonna get it soon🦾🦾🦾🦾
Picking mine up in a few days..... sold my standard 365 to get this one. Hope I like like it. Handled one in the shop and I like the sight system, very quick to acquire sight picture
I just shot the Sig SAUER P238 yesterday! Now, that’s a nice shooting little carry gun! Great video!
Where was the point of impact on this one? cause the one MAC got was hitting high and to the left for him.
Thanks for the honest opinion that you always give, it's really appreciated
Both eyes open, dot in peripheral- that’s it.. And this guy’s enthusiasm is infectious.... Now all we need is access to more Ammo....
I know right?... five months later
I'm gonna get a sas this weekend . Love the sights and size for conceal carry
i would also stay away from ported barrel on a carry gun. looks cool and has less recoil but if your ever in a situation where you have to fire with the gun pulled back close to the body or inside a vehicle your gonna end up with blowback right in the face.
Love the gun/and new sights. Hate that no slide release thing. Take down you need some sort of punch. New sight options on old version! 👍
Good video. The P365 SAS sight is fascinating. I think, like the early Ashley Emerson “express” sides on my personal sidearm, they are for quick acquisition over precision. Show us more! 👍
This seems like an amazing idea. Super tight low bore axis. But Sig just dropped the ball on the sight calibration
Love my Sigs & Glocks both.
I have one it took a bit but I am loving it for my concealed gun
Unlike like the name of sight system, “ meprolight bullseye” it is not a bullseye sight, but it is a great combat sight system. I likes the SAS and all of the features. When I pocket carry it sure beats the J-Frame.
Thanks for the honesty on that sight. I get the point of the SAS, say you're maybe James Bond and need to pull it out of a tux without catching, but for everyday Jim Bob and his wife? I need the sights AND a manual safety.
Thanks again.