If the Dygma Raise is an ergonomic keyboard, why isn't it ortholinear?
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- In 2017, when we started our project, our first design was an ortholinear split keyboard, called the Shortcut.
We made multiple prototypes and sold 50 units for a closed beta.
After testing for 2 months, we reached the conclusion that the learning curve was too steep, making it a very risky first product.
We decided to simply get the best features of the Shortcut: thumbs keys, custom software, and split design and made a product that was more user-friendly. That's how the Raise was born.
The Raise works as a gateway keyboard to ergonomics.
We do have the intention of making an ortholinear keyboard in the future. Let us know in the comments below if that's something you'd be interested in!
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As a freak, i had considered this a valid question, and the answer “we wanted to appeal to people who aren’t freaks” is definitely satisfactory
That keyboard looked like heaven to me, and then she said they didn't want to build it?
NOOOOO!
@@dialecticalmonist3405 i mean yeah it looks super nice, maybe they'll get there eventually
Ortholinear + Wireless will be the best one in my opinion.
Wireless much needed
totally agree bro
Would probably have to pay royalties to a bigger brand for that, can imagine tech like Logitech's or Corsair's near-0 added latency being very expensive R&D.
would be perfection in keyboards
Thanks for the feedback! Ortholinear + wireless would definitely the best for a minimal ergo setup ☺
Yes please! Ortholinear and columnar would be amazing.
My dream keyboard is a wireless split ortholinear columnar with the snazzy wrist rests you have on the Raise... Here's hoping you can make it (or something close to it) a reality. Good luck!
We're getting there! In time, we'll be able to develop more products, for sure the next one is ortholinear 😉
try the ZSA Moonlander!
@@derekdwhite hehe, I have and love it 😉
@@derekdwhite Moonlander is great, but... those small keys on the edges are awful.
@@dawiss9418 not in my experience. I haven't missed having bigger keys at all. In fact, since getting the board, I've wondered why they're traditionally made so big in the first place. That said, with the ability to use multiple keyboard layers, I find I don't even use the number row, let alone most of the keys around the edges. My thumbs take care of enter, space, shift, control, and layer activation, and everything else is gotten to through layers. There are maybe 40 keys I use total, including the 30 that make up the normal board, the arrow keys, and the thumb keys. That's about it. It's very minimal finger travel.
All that said, though, if you really can't stand not having wider keys, go for an ergodox. You still get an orthonormal board with customizable keys. If you're going to spend $300 on a board anyway, why not go with the one that's actually ortholinear and gives you a ton of options for laying out the board exactly the way you want?
If dygma raise was ortholinear...
10/10 😘👌
A matching trackpad to the Dygma Raise!
I specifically bought the raise because it was not ortholinear. It was a great decision to not be “just like a moonlander” and stay similar to the market “standard” while yielding actual benefits over it. I hope it pays off in the long run as well.
Keep it up you guys and don’t lose this connection to your customers once you sell keyboards by the thousands a day ;)
I would love for you to design an ortholinear keyboard, I have a dygma raise and I am very happy with your product because it really is incredibly useful and comfortable, plus its design is truly a work of art. That's why I fully support the development of your company, because in the future I have no doubt that you will be one of the companies that will revolutionize the keyboard industry. Thank you for your genuine interest in the welfare of your consumers and for taking us into account. I would buy their ortholinear version without hesitation, and if It had Bluetooth I would even buy 2!!! XD
exactly what he said ;D
Yeah. Mine is a work of art. I trying so hard to find an excuse to buy one of the other colour. If ortholinear, I think I’d have several. 🙏
I love the Raise. If you guys make an ortholinear keyboard, I'd buy it, as long as I can afford it. :P
Deal!
I actually cancelled my order of dygma raise mid 2020 when I found out about ergodox ez, and I don’t regret it. Some months later I bought a moonlander and a Planck ez. Now I think ortholinear layout is the most efficient layout. I would love to se a shortcut low profile and wireless keyboard by dygma in the future.
Out of the Ergodox EZ and the Moonlander, which do you prefer?
@@sandercohen3309 Ergodox EZ got more keys on the thumb cluster, but some of the keys is hard to reach. The Moonlander is like the new generation of Ergodox, and the thumb cluster is adjustable. I would recommend you the Moonlander over the Ergodox EZ without hesitation.
Watch out for the Dygma Defy this summer!
I want an ortholiner Dygma. The moonlander is similar to that, but the height of the keys that use the thumb is high. The dygma with a low profile key below the space bar is a genius. This is why I ask for an ortholiner dygma without buying a moonlander！(I'm Japanese,sorry my English is bud)
I’ve been waiting for this video... basically since 2016.
I totally get the direction you took back then and you can be extremely proud on what the Raise did become.
I’m really looking forward to see what you’ll come up with all the knowledge you’ve gaining during the process of the Raise.
Layout-wise I think the Kyria layout, 5 columns, would be close to ideal.
My perfect keyboard would be a ortholinear keyboard with the thumb clusters of the raise.
That Moonlander thumb cluster is unusable.
We hope to exceed your expectations some day 😜
I’ve used both ortho and traditional, and I really didn’t notice that much of a difference. Ortho is supposed to be more efficient, but even after getting used to it for almost a year, I was typing at almost the exact same rate. It helped with pain a lot, but that was compared to a non-ergo keyboard. After using the Dygma, the ergonomic benefits are the same (maybe more, but I think that’s due to the just higher quality and design?). Personally, I don’t mind the traditional layout, as it does mean less programming when using a new game/app. (And, I’m not entirely convinced that ortho layout fits our fingers better. Tilt angle and tenting make much more of a difference.)
Totally agree! Split, tilting, and tenting are more important to comfort than ortho. Some people still find ortho better, however, so we'd like to have options for them too 😊
Absolutely agree! This is my experience too :) I'm looking forward to my dygma tenting kit to see if it's as comfy as my old Ergodox EZ. I feel it will be :)
I would absolutely love to see a Dygma board with columnar staggered layout. I think ortholinear is okay but each finger on a hand does not have the same reach due to both knuckle placement on the hand as well as length of the fingers. To me this means it makes more sense to use a columnar stagger which accounts for these differences. Yes some people have a certain finger longer than usual, like a ring finger almost as long as the middle finger, but generally the outer fingers have an obviously shorter reach than the middle fingers. Ortholinear doesn't account for this, requiring you to overstretch or over-scrunch certain fingers. To me that seems less ergonomic.
I love Dygma's open and honest approach to doing business and communicating with its users/customers!!! but at this stage, the only thing preventing me from buying the Dygma Raise is the fact that it is not an Ortholinear Keyboard, maybe it's just me but if you were to release an ortholinear model I will buy it in a heartbeat even if it ends up costing $100 more than the current dygma raise
We're developing an ortholinear keyboard, don't you worry! 😁
Tenting and ortholinear is the only reason I’m looking at other keyboards right now. Please bring both (I know tenting is on its way but is over requested right now). And a wireless brain would be great.
I guess it works for some people, but I'd still rather have my ZSA Moonlander. I think the problem wasn't that your old board was ortho, it was that it doesn't resemble a standard keyboard in any other way. You could very easily take the Raise and make it ortho, and I bet it would be a huge success.
You could take as a reference the Razer Tartarus pro, it is for gaming and it is ortholinear. It is extremely comfortable, you could do something similar but with your own signature and for both hands and adding your thumb keys or another tool. I would definitely buy it. Good luck.
Thanks for the suggestion! The thumb cluster looks cool 😉
@@DygmaLab I know you will do it better!!!!!
The dygma raise is my all time favourite keyboard. That said, I would love for my next keyboard to have ortholinear + tenting + move button '6' to right side :)
You could be in for a treat some day 😜
ortholinear, wireless, Bluetooth, and an extra number row on top that is basically a horizontal numpad (great for compact keyboards + inverted number row programming or French layouts)
i'd still buy one of those prototypes shown in this video they look sick!!!
We don't have them for sale. However, we're creating a new and improved ortho model, stay tuned 😉
Nah not for me I use way to many systems in IT plus laptops and other devices. Just not worth it if it slows me down when I move between systems. Hey if I only had one computer or maybe two that have the ability to use an external keyboard sure maybe I'll switch to a non-standard layout.
I'm on a laptop and use a plug and play ortho keyboard that comes with a carrying case for travel. You might find yourself in spaces that don't allow for a keyboard (I never do; unless you're often working from an airport terminal I'd bet you have the desk space too), but I guarantee it's worth it for the times you do.
That's a very sensible approach actually! Thanks for sharing the thought process!
I just attended an ergo keyboard meet last week with some very passionate users and DIY designers. It sounds as though some ill-fitting people got into the beta without the Shortcut getting on our radar. The popularity of the corne and its ilk is a very silent, steadfast, and numerous. I see new adoptees all the time. The Corne-ish Zen was originally a small groupbuy that grew into 2 rounds with extras, and still consistently attracts newcomers. The shortcut would fit right in. My favorite discord server could definitely hit the speeds you were hoping to see. Those thumbs would look amazing in my collection if not on my desk
Thanks for the info. Btw, that meet sounds really interesting, is there any info we can find online about it?
You're right in the fact that these keyboards are gaining a lot of traction. The thing is it did not feel that way when we launched the Raise 😋
But time has passsed, our new keyboard will be an ortho model, with even sicker thumbkeys to add to your collection 😉
My dream is a low-latency split ortholinear columnar keyboard that you can tent incrementally all the way up to 90 degrees. Thumb clusters needs to be accessible even with smaller hands and it would be awesome if it also was wireless (but you need to be able to use it wired as well) I realise that all of this is a pretty tall order, but if anyone can do it, it's gonna be you.
That's a long list! We'll consider your feedback 😄
Slightly different take here @dygma - I purchased the Raise _because_ of the standard, Non-Ortho layout. I used to use an Ergodox EZ (Still have it, still love it), and I found that whilst I loved the split aspect, I found the Ortho change just too jarring when going back to standard boards.
Hear me out. Yes, I used an ortho for 2 years. Yes, I was fluent on it. Yes, I was faster, and more comfortable, but even then, I still wanted to go back to standard layout. Why? Because the world's keyboards are mostly standard. Laptop boards are standard. And frankly, my coworkers are standard, if I want to pair program or share machines.
I just didn't like rewiring my brain to Ortho, even though it's better. I want the world to switch to ortho, but it hasn't, yet.
So thanks for making a great split board with standard layout. Can I have one with arrow keys? :)
Ergonomics in the workplace has a long way to go, especially since everyone is so used to what we already have - a staggered regular full-size keyboard.
In time, maybe more and more people will make the switch...
You can have one with arrow keys. You can have one with the arrow keys anywhere you want actually :) Perks of having a fully configurable keyboard 😉
@@DygmaLab Yep, agreed- I long for the days we see ortholinear laptop keyboards :D But I am doubtful it'll ever happen...
And re: the arrow keys: Ah, yes- I know I can put them wherever- I've done that in a few ways. First, I used the four function buttons down the bottom right hand side, but I found it a bit odd & really would prefer the up button above the down one. I also tried that, using the right-shift, but I really like the use of my right-shift for... you know, shift. :)
I am currently using `hjkl` vim-style bindings on a layer for arrow keys, but it takes some getting used to. It's okay, but I'm still not loving it.
Ideally, it'd be great to have the right shift broken into 2 keys, leaving room for a small key right above the "right ctrl". That'd be ideal for me :) But you can't have it all :P
I can agree that typing speed of something like a Shortcut might be less than with the regular keyboard. However, ergonomics and and comfort worth all the lost speed and steep learning curve
We agree. Our decision was based on our believe that fewer people would be interested in such a niche product. But we want to revisit the concept 😊
I was planning to switch using ortholinear keyboard. I can't wait for your next ortholinear product :)
We can't wait either 😄
I would really like an ortho (non-columnar) keyboard that can snap together or be split like the Raise. The aesthetics of having the full set of keys all together is so nice, especially for custom keycap sets.
Hi Brian!
We've launched our new model, and even though it's columnar and might not be attached, you could reconsider it when you see all the other features 😋
However, what you mentioned about the possibilities of custom keycap sets on ortho keyboards can't be challenged. You're 100% right 😉
Just ordered a Dygma Raise
I tried out a custom ortholinear keyboard (it's a matrix style, not the ergodox/moonlander style). But after that I realized how my muscle memories have adapted to the staggered layout over the years and years of typing, and the only real issue I have with traditional layouts is the under-utilized thumb clusters. Of course, a more symmetrical layout would definitely suit my hands better, but sometimes re-inventing the wheel just really isn't efficient. Plus, there will often be times where I just can't use one keyboard everywhere, and I'd have to still use a traditional layout. So switching between muscle memories for a traditional layout and an ortholinear layout probably won't be my ultimate answer.
To me, the Dygma Raise seems to have the perfect thumb cluster. Separate keys are still spacious, but there are a decent number of keys to make into modifiers (one space bar -> 8 programmable keys that are easily within reach). I'm really interested to play with its layers!
Thanks a lot for those kind words 😊😊
We put a lot of effort in that thumb cluster, happy to hear you enjoy it!
I believe classic key placement makes it easy to switch back to other keyboards. I am using Raise but I often switch to laptop or another PC, so the transition is seamless. I am curious how would it be for ortholinear keyboard though.
On a daily basis I actually switch between the keyboard on my mac, and an ortholinear planck with a colemak layout (with GMK Dots just to make it even more challenging), and it really is a matter of 2-3 minutes to get re-acquainted. It's really not that bad as you might think.
Hi, I want to share with you that once you have learned one of the 2, it is difficult to forget it, you just have to practice the one you use less, so that you don't forget it after a few months. I also use my Raise but I am constantly switching between Ortholinear and Staggered keyboards as well as distributions like Dvorak and Qwerty, and the truth is that I will recommend you to make your work tools as comfortable as possible, because even if you have to be changing keyboards, when you use yours, you will be much more productive. That's exactly what happened to me. Best regards.
Thanks for insights guys, that's interesting!
My experience, Marek, was that this was an intolerable switch. I didn't type _enough_ on my standard board to keep up the instant muscle memory. By the time that 2-3 minutes mentioned above passed, I was done with whatever I was doing. So it was actually rather frustrating. Frustrating enough to buy a Raise & put away my Ergodox
I love ortholinear! I didn’t appreciate how much until I went back to a standard stager; they have so many awkward reaches. Going to be trying a Ferris Sweep soon :)
We also do, that's why the next model is a columnar 😉
We're going to start paying the dedt to our original models and start coming closer to the original idea. Btw, great choice of keyboard, the Ferris is so thin and elegant.., Although it's not for everybody, those who can use them, really enjoy those minimal models.
I use an ortholinear keyboard and it did take a little adjusting.
I am now sitting at 60-75 wpm
I hope it pays off for you. That's what's important! 😄
I really want the track pad module that goes in the thumb cluster area that the Ultimate Hackers Keyboard has.
We're already planning to make ergonomic pointing devices in the future 😊
ortholinear, split, column staggered, wireless (not bluetooth bug something that usus a dongle so it is useable at boot time), configurable keymap, optional tenting kit, wireless charging!
That is the dream.
We think you might be pleased with our next model, the Defy. Checks all the boxes 😉
I'm getting a Kinesis Freestyle Edge RGB to start (it's cheaper, and on Amazon so no shipping), but then I'm upgrading to the Dygma Defy!
Cool! I'm sure you're going to have a blast! 🚀
I have one suggestion to go on top of ortholinear. Don't just make them straight grids, make sure sure that the pinky's column is closer than the middle finger's column. That's something that really bothers me about my Razer Orbweaver keypad, is that the upper pinky keys are out of reach without moving my hand position on the keypad, eliminating the whole concept of a keypad for gaming... That said, the way it opens up my posture when using mouse and keypad during gaming has inspired me to get a split keyboard so I can feel the same way when doing tasks other than gaming.
I own a ZSA Moonlander keyboard and as a typist's keyboard ortholinear is great. But as a gaming keyboard? Well, let me put it this way: Try holding down W and hitting the 2 key. I've had to remap the entire space of keys around the fact that the 2 key is impossible to hit without contorting my hand, an adaptation after several months I still can't quite get the hang of. It works, but a split second of uncertainty every time I have to equate "~" with "1" and so on means I'm playing with a handicap. Ortholinear is fantastic but not in every environment. If you are primarily a gamer, keep that in mind.
If I had the choice, I would keep the rest of the keys ortholinear but have the number row staggered.
Depending on the game, maybe? Why use 1-9 when you can use an MMO mouse?
I've experienced a huge learning curve while leaning to use zsa moonlander. I agree with your opinion
Since the beginning of the pandemic, I moved to different types of ortholinear (5x15, Atreus, Atreus62, currently Sofle with 2 knobs). If Dygma were to release an ortholinear keyboard, I'd certainly have a look!
Do you mean like the one we're about to launch on Kickstarter?
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I'd buy a ortho keyboard even a Gen 1 if u have some in a warehouse some where I loved the original design more than I love the raise in its curent form
Don't think that's possible, but an even better option may come in the future 😄
Those prototypes looked awesome !! The moon lander is way too big for me. With the moulding, the size, i buy it!
I think you did right choice. Small keyboards like less than 36 keys are very niche product and I would better make one by myself then buy fully assembled
Thanks! Still, we're going to try the ortho route at some point. That's something we owe to ourselves and to you, the users 😊
+1 for ortholinear with good thumb key and full arrow keys (hate when there is no room for arrow keys to be together like on the ergo dox)
PLEASE make an ortholinear version!!!
If you also make it:
1. with hot-swappable keys
2. programmable (using open-source software such as QMK)
3. available via non-credit card payment methods (Paypal, bank transfer, etc.)
4. available to ship world-wide,
you will be the ABSOLUTE BEST product on the market and the ONLY option for most international buyers (credit cards are very difficult to obtain in most countries, viz. ZSA Ergodox, etc.).
OPTIONAL features:
1. can join together like Dygma Raise
2. vertical staggering (I think even without vertical staggering, it would still be a HUGE hit - consider how popular standard ortholinear keyboards are without vertical staggering)
Finally, you should have at least TWO versions (one with bluetooth and one without - some people actually HATE bluetooth because of the extra weight + non-replacable battery + latency problems - I personally would go with the wired version).
I have used almost every keyboard configuration and design out there, and the above would be my main suggestions.
Hi Ryker! We're developing a product along the lines of what you're describing. With those feature and maybe some more surprises. I can't go further into details, but news are coming, so stay tuned.
As for the payments, you can currently purchase the Raise with pay pal and we ship world wide, so we got you covered on that regard 😉
@@DygmaLab Sounds EXCELLENT!!! Definitely interested. Please let us know when ready. Subbed. :)
you may already have tested this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the ortholinearity may not have been the problem.
your first project was super minimal, and I think switching away from a 60% number of keys is probably a bigger challenge than an ortholinear layout.
if you come out with an ortholinear split 60%, I would seriously consider it.
It was a bit of everything. At the momment, ortho keyboards were not as popular, and also we went for a pretty extreme minimalistic design.
We realized at some point the shortcut was a good idea, and a great goal, but it was not the path.
We started witht the Raise, but our next model is going to be an ortho. Just in case you want to start the considerations 😉
@@DygmaLab
thanks! I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
I got the Raise over an Ergodox specifically BECAUSE it isn't ortho.
They need to up their game; Belkin had the Nostromo SpeedPad since the early 2000s, which is an ortholinear keypad. Not for typing, as it actually started out with very few keys, but it went from about 10 to 15 keys, then Razer bought it and kept making about the same with an added row of keys and so on. - You're late to the game and so are your customers.
It's never too late! :)
What I don't understand is the fact that it doesn't tilt to address the wrist extension problem. That's much more serious on an ergonomic keyboard than being ortholinear or not.
Hello Sergio,
The desing of the Raise had the extension problem into account. In fact, with the wrist pads, the had lies flat on the keyboard while you're typing. But you're probably referring to the fact that it cannot be reverse tilted to have the wrist in an even better position.
We're aware of the problem and we've learned from our mistakes, that's why our new model has a built-in tenting kit that allows you to place the hand in a reverse tilt position.
Thanks for the observation 🙂
I love my raise, but my next keybaord would be a moonlander...
Unless y'all made a keyboard with more keys in the middle. Honestly that's my only complaint, I just want more keys, particularly near the thumb cluster and towards the inside of the keyboard. (I never put my keyboard together)
We're making an announcement real soon that'll make you reconsider buying the Moonlander :-)
I need the Ortholinear!!!
It will come, eventually 😉
Ortholinear, yes please! Also keep the side at 2u for pinky, but keep the space bar similar to what you have now. Dont take the space bar as far as the ergodox. Maybe just sell left and right halves separate as options.
All my mistakes are due to the key off set. But I dont want to retrain my thumb like a programmer might. A large space is nice, no smaller than 2u at thumbs. No specialty key caps please as much as possible.
I like your product, Im am searching for the right ortholinear. I get your explanation and relate. I want to keep my pinky similar to qwerty and your thumb setup with ortho-keys. Basically only make enough changes to straighten out the rows.
I don’t like the pinky on the moonlander and I don’t like the case and build on the ergodox ez. Neither thumb cluster looks great. I dont want to spend that much on something so ugly like the ez. It looks dated and bulky. Honestly streamline the ergodox ez in your style and build, and I want one. The moonlaner pinky row stops me from pulling out the wallet. I have not bought yours because it is not ortho.
Keeping an eye on your products. Still considering your product heavily.
Down to you, and the moonlander and ergodox. All have something a little off for me. But I will pick one of those of what is out now that I have seen.
We will release the specifics of the new model soon enough 😊
I can't get into lots of details because I don't want to spoil the surprises, but they look great, probably will get you covered in all the demands and maybe some more you did not consider 😉
Is there any way to get my hands on a dygma shortcut ? (:
Come visit our office here in Spain and you can try one 😆
@@DygmaLab I would happily do that if there wasn't the whole covid situation. Is there any way to get my hands on the cad files to print one for myself ? (:
It you want something similar you could check out the Corne, Iris, etc
A friend of mine was one of the beta testers for the shortcut and I've been dying to own one since then. Giff shortcut 2.0
I think ortholinear is not too hard to get used to. What must have thrown people really off about your first prototype is that it only has about 30 keys. I think a split ortho with 60ish keys would be very consumer-friendly
Ortholiear and BT would be awesome
They are both good features! The current Raise keyboard won't have them, but we want to create different keyboards in the future that do 😊
i've used ortholinear, it's not that much of a gamechanger from split + ergo. wireless and low latency tech (ex. lightspeed) is what i'd make my next purchase on.
Then keep an eye on our socials because you might like what we have coming for you 😊
ortholinear wireless split keyboard, or maybe a digam raise wireless as big step i guess
We plan to create an ortholinear version and wireless version. Whether or not it will be an ortholinear and wireless in ONE is still in the works 😊
@@DygmaLab maybe you considerar the layout of the corne keyboard is really confortable, and the case put a level inclination
I consider people who don't want to optimise their ergonomics "freaks" and people like me who spend thousands of dollars and countless hours optimizing, "normal".
I say, I do appreciate the different size thumb buttons, but what bothers me most about new keyboards is "Why the hell is the caps lock key so damn big?" Don't tell me you use caps lock more often than the tab key, so why is it so large? It should be a switch, like in the olden days.
That's a great question. In fact, the whole existence of the capslock key is a reminiscence of the typewritters, it should not be in the keyboard 😂
The phsysical key is so big because we wanted a layout similar to traditional keyboards. To make the transition easier to the split.
The reality is that most Raise users have replaced the caps lock with some other function. That's the beauty of the customization software, you can place anything you want anywhere you want 😉
If Dygma comes out with a tentable, ortholinear keyboard, I’d sell my kidney to buy one.
In the future we may make your dream come true 😉
something similar to the corne-ish zen keyboard, would be amazing
I have been tinkering with building my own freaking keyboard because EVERY major manufacturer refuses to put all the food ideas together,,, the closest I have found recently is the Azeron and that has a hefty pricetag! I am not one of those touch typists... Yes, I learned on a QWERTY style but never managed to go with the supposed "flow"... and yet I can type at over 60 WPM flawlessly without doing the whole "home row key" thing... when all you have ever had is a hammer than everything is treated like a nail. I *KNOW* there are better ways, but I am unwilling to spend over $400 (average) for a stupid keyboard! I currently use an obsolete Logitech G-13 because it works... not perfectly, but I have modified it enough to be better.
Do the FULL ortholinear and proper curves, and keep the prices under $200 and I'll be interested
I'm afraid that's a bit complicated, developing and manufacturing a keyboard is really expensive, but we try our best to keep the prices as affordable as possible.
How about a Raise with an included trackball?
We did consider this when prototyping the Shortcut! Maybe in the future we can go back on this idea.
I once saw someone type on two halves of a keyboard, and his seemed to be attached to each arm of the chair. He was laid back, and typed very fast. Not sure where I saw it, but I am wondering if that kind of thing is something that other companies would make products for.
I accept this reason. Hands cannot change the habit what they've learnt.
Glad to see you like it 🙂
We'vebeen able to grow enought to launch pur first columnar model. although it's not as compact s the Shortcut, is still an advancement.
Please make it like you originally planned. The keyboard is not a date, for me it's a tool for my hand. And no professional worker wants just "casual" tools. Also this isnt a steep learning curve its not rocket science with practice one can feel way more better typing ortholinearly. This is because orthilinear has a more symmetric movement in both hands compared to the staggered is asymmetric the right hand moves more from the left.
Why is the keypad ortholinear because this is obviosly a easier and better mind body memory connection than staggered and many professions used numbers quite a lot.
Just because of this im buying the moonlander.
Because the moonlander doesnt have a raise im going to use ipad bean bag as a tent to use it raised.
Don't worry, we are going to develop an ortholinear keyboard 😊
@@DygmaLab when are you releasing it?
so I can then put off my moonlander purchase?
Ortho seems like a no brainer.
Depends on the user! But yes, we also like it 😊
Ortholinear Raise = instant purchase
We're taking note. Hope one of these days you have to stand for those words 😉
When You Will release an ortholinear keyboard? I don't want to Buy a moonlander But i need an ortholinear keyboard as soon as possible
We're planning on doing so next year, the specifics will come with the announcements we're setting up. sorry I can't get into the specifics 🙏
yes yes yes ortholinear and with the split let each the left and right side have the ability to operate seperately giving left handers a gaming half to use also programable all the keys thanks
It's coming sooner than you might think... The community has spoken and we listen to them 🥳
Same exact design just ortho please!
It will come, eventually!
As a psychopath, I need the keyboard to be ortholinear, split, wireless, and capable of steno in 10 languages minimum. That's why I got an Ergodox, and then proceeded to dismantle my OS with Autohotkey scripts and Windows registry edits until it worked! Now you need years of formal training just to open a new browser tab, just as God intended
guy on the left 0:14 looks like matt bellamy sorta. jsut wanted to say that. have a nice day
That's super true! His name is also Matt, as creepy as this may sound 😅
@@DygmaLab amazing! XD
what's the difference between UHK and Dygma Raise???
There are several differences!
-The Raise is delivered 2-5 days after you place your order 😊
-The first difference you can notice when you look at them is the thumb key area. The Raise has 8 thumb keys, and the 4 lower ones have low profile switches so you don't press them accidentally when pressing the upper thumb row keys.
-On the Raise you can also detach any one of the halves and the other one will still work, so you can have more space for your mouse or drawing pad.
-The Raise has Superkeys, which means any key can have 5 different actions depending on how you press it: tap, 2tap, hold, etc.
-It also features RGB backlight and underglow so you can easily see what layer you're in.
-The Raise has a full aluminum body.
-Optional Raise tenting Kit with 5 angles: 0, 10, 20, 30 ,40 degrees!
Funny has I've seen this video before I've seen this video before and didn't make any comment, because I thought it was an american (continent) company,.I've just found out you're a Spanish/European company. So I have to say:
1) can't see anywhere (at least clearly) in the contact/about us pages that you are based in Europe (the only giveaway is the "Government Grant " page followed by your names). I wonder if that is that by design.. well it's not cool (not knowing where a company is based. Be it from Europe or anywhere else for that matter).
2) I'm 100% interested in a European made ortholinear keyboard.
Hello there!
Regarding your observations,
-We never had any issue with people knowing we're from Spain, but we'll be more specific. You're right it's not cool that it feels hidden for the users. Suggestion noted, thanks 😉
-Our next model is an Ortholinear keyboard, so stay tuned because we'll be making announcements soon 😊
yes please!!
Wireless is the most important :D
the keyboard is just too expensive. I don't think something more limited than an ergodox should cost $315-$345. I don't know what is making the board cost so much whether it's high demand or you guys just needing the extra money. No matter what it is, the board shouldn't be in the price range of a custom keyboard. I could buy an ergodox-ez and a GMK keycap set (around $90-$110 keycaps) at the price of a Raise. one other thing about the ergodox-ez is that you don't actually need to buy keycaps. I have my own sets and I don't want to spend extra money on something I could easily get off of amazon or aliexpress for cheaper than what you offer it at. If the price was lower I could maybe see myself getting the Raise but as of now it's definitely not something I want to get.
What do you find limited about the Raise? We're adding new features frequently, including Superkeys (different actions for Tap, 2tap, hold, etc. for each key), macros, layers, and other features that are on the works.
If you have any specific feature you're missing, we'd love to know! We constantly develop and improve our software by listening to our users.
Our price isn't higher than other alternatives in the market if you purchase the palm rests, which the Raise includes. Not being mainstream means there are higher research and design costs. Manufacturing in smaller batches raises the costs, which are also going up ever year, unfortunately, due to the pandemic, material shortages, and energy shortages in China.
You can see more information about the price of the Raise here:
support.dygma.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007066937-Why-is-the-Dygma-Raise-more-expensive-than-regular-keyboards-
Bring ortholinear back
We'll bring it better and stronger 😉
@@DygmaLab can't wait....literary lol
The Moonaise
what ortholinear? the shortcut isn't ortholinear is staggered columns
The shortcut was ortholinear and the Raise is staggered, maybe you mixed their names 😬
So where can I get the Split? 😜
You can get the split any time you want at our store 😂
for the Ortho, you'll have to wait a little bit longer, but it's coming....
Do it. Sooner the better.
We're on it 😉
@@DygmaLab any ETA?
I need an ergo keyboard due to RSI and would also like do go ortholinear. I hope you manage too make it less complicated than a ZSA though... a bit more "standard".
Cheers!
could you not have just said that you guys realized how expensive it was to turn that prototype into a mass manufacturable product with a good profit margin. instead chose to sell an inferior product that is catered to the mass market consumer by sacrificing any ergonomic benefits to make a cheaper and more easier to relate to keyboard not designed for the die-hard keyboard community
It's not inferior if it helps more people 😉
We will definitely make more keyboards too! Ortho/columnar will be amazing 😄
You’re Filipino for sure
You got that one right 😉
@@DygmaLab more power to Filipinas making it in their endeavors! More power to us that is
What a cutie
Sorry, but making of this not ortolinear keyboard was the stupidest idea. Not ortolinear split keyboard is almost regular keyboard.
Different people have different needs! We like ortho/columnar too, so we'll release another split keyboard that has it 😉
I had just put in my order for a Moonlander keyboard when I discovered the Dygma. Although I'm sure I'm going to be happy with the Moonlander, it's good to know that alternatives exist, and it really is good that more than one company is exploring and competing to make a great keyboard. I'm not against buying a Dygma, but now it's going to be a while as I'm confident the Moonlander will also be excellent. Two deal-breakers for me though, would have been tenting and having ortholinear. In any case, I'm going to keep an eye on Dygma boards and hopefully stay up-to-date on keyboards.
Previously I used a DataDesk Smartboard, which was initially a great keyboard but all four of mine broke down in under six months and the customer service was horrible. Then I moved to the Microsoft Ergonomic Natural 4000, which was excellent until Microsoft stopped updating the software for it, which rendered it far less usable and I had to move on after... maybe fifteen years or so. Possibly longer. Thanks to that experience I've learned that I need to be less loyal and more open to new keyboard options as quality and availability isn't always going to exist with any one brand. Datadesk is a smaller company and they were awful, and giant Microsoft was excellent until they stopped being concerned with Mac users. I'm sure there is a story behind why they stopped supporting Macs, and it has to do with Apple stepping up their security in their operating system... however other manufacturers still make software for their boards.
But the point being is that I learned to be less locked into one board or company, although if something works, I'll stick with it, until it doesn't. I limped along with the Ergonomic 4000 for several years, using a normal Mac board for the keys I needed that the Ergonomic 4000 no longer had usable... so I had two keyboards going at once! I should have jumped ship earlier and found something better. I did keep the Ergonomic 4000 going well initially when they stopped supporting Mac OS, by disabling some of the Mac OS security, which then allowed the old Microsoft keyboard software to work, but that ability eventually went away and was pretty awful to deal with on the occasions that I had to re-institute it or something odd happened.
Anyway.
These videos are very helpful, I'm glad you made them and wish your company great success, maybe I'll have a Dygma at some point in the future!