To be clear according to turkish "logic" the Falklands have no economic zones and is fair to belong to Argentina because are far away from UK. If turkey believes that intenational law is on its side why has not signed the law of the sea that 99% of countries accept?
With the same logic the Jersey islands should have no EEZ and no rights, because they are close to France, and actually they should belong to France. This is the turkish logic.
According to Greek logic, the UK's EEZ would extend all the way out to the British Virgin Islands, thereby Ireland must not claim any waters in between. Silliness.
According to Greek logic, a tiny island of 8km2, 2km off Turkish coast gives Greece an area of a small country in wich Turkey is imprisoned to it's own shores. Also according to this logic the huge Turkish mainland is less important than a tiny island.
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@@FiveStarArmchairGeneral The same applies also in case of Qatar and Iran . Qatar needs to share its wealth with Iran as it is bigger right?
Part of Cyprus is ILLEGALLY occupied since 1974 , you know.. not recognized by ANYONE other than Turkey.. so anything around Cyprus you technically have no claim to.
Let me ask you this, why should two people, from different ethnicites, religions, historys, languages and roots should be part of the same nation just because they are on the same island? Also riddle me this, why should northern cypriots who have their own country should choose to go back to being a minority in someone elses country?
@@efecaktl5432 the turk cypriots was asked if they want to go to turkey or stay in cyprus as minority , they chose to stay. northern cypriots have no country, there is only the republic of cyprus and the northern cypriots are just inhabitants a occupied part of the republic of cyprus. furthermore many northern cypriots are illegally settled in northern cyprus and they have to turn back to turkey one day when the island is liberated. un resolutions orders turkey to withdraw all turkish soldiers and declares the populating of cypriot land with turkish settlers as warcrimes. there is really no chance ever that northern cyprus can get any legal status ever and it will automatically be dissolved once the balcanization of turkey begins.
@@efecaktl5432 Let me ask u this; there is 3.5 Million Turks in Germany; should they claim a territory from Germany just because they are so many, or have a different ethnicity or language? Should Turkey invade and illegally occupy land from Germany to settle this people and transfer indigenous Turks into its territory? Their rights are not respected? The answer is of course No. They live their lives and have full human rights of voting, property etc etc like everybody else. Why doesnt Turkey allow the 20-30 Million (Turkish) Kurds a territory of their own within Turkey? To take it further, If you are a true Cypriot you can stay in Cyprus and be part of a European country with all your rights; you cannot create a "state' by stealing other people's properties, just because Turkey invaded in 74...if you are an illegal settler, then off back to Turkey. Dont ask for more of what you are entitled. You cannot be illegal and wrong and seek "justice" at the same time. Justice will be served when Turkey leaves Cyprus and allows Cypriots to command their own island.
@@horror11 turkey had every right to take the island, greek coup clearly violated the great signed that stated that any of the gurranteor countries can invade if the status cuo is broken in cyprus. At that time radial tensions where high and greeks where killing turks, they couldnt go back to being öne country, turks would get slaughtred. I get that people are saying now that the ethnic tensions have died down that they can become a normal country but my question standa, why should northern cypriots except this? They are content with what they have right now, why should they risk another greek milita try and take their homes or lives? There just isnt any good enougj reason for them to accept it and you and nobody else have any say on their decisions.
The Greeks say that 80 million people living in Turkey do not have any right in the Mediterranean because the small island with a small population are belong to grece . island 580 kilometers far from the mainland of Greece and just 2.4 km far from turkey main land.
Remember that the turks conquered anatolia from the greeks, who have been there for thousands of years. Had it not been for the turks, the modern greek state would include Greece, Cyprus, and Turkey.
Everyone watching this video can come up with their own excuses to back up their own desires. Such a dialogue will never reach a conclusion though. Thankfully there are international laws to help us solve those issues. All it's needed is for the two sides to agree on letting a court decide who's right through those laws.
@@D.Pap_Art I agree, international law is the only way forward, if you are lawful. If not, the way forward is bullying and bargaining. Bullying and bargaining results in claims such as the one at 0:16 (pause video and observe how irrational are the pink and yellow regions with respect to Cyprus's maritime rights). I mean damn, how the hell can they justify the regions at 0:16 by international law!!!
@@ashokathegreat4534 Greece does not end its violation. Turkish west coast (Lesbos, Chios, Samos, and the Dodecanese islands), some of them in very close proximity to the mainland. Meis Island lies roughly 1.3 km(2 miles) off the south of Turkey and it is militarized by Greece. Exclusive Economic Zone: means the area up to a distance of 200 miles (370 Km). The Aegean Islands, which are close to the Aegean coasts, are common today with these defined distances.
according to international maritime law, islands far from the mainland do not have exclusive economic zones. Greece is demanding a huge area for a small island at the bottom of Turkey, which is unfair.
According UNCLOS inhabidant islands has EEZs Also how can Greece let islands unarmed when turkey has to the coast the Aegian army with hundred landing ships? Who trust turkey who has invaded to all neighbours?
@@gedankenexplosion5690 ignorant! The do not have EEZ because they agreed not to have. Other countries with disputes had different decisiom and noone threaten with war. Fuckheads!
@@gedankenexplosion5690 The key difference between Guernsey and Jersey case with Aegean archipelago is that they are not forming an archipelago which has an economic and cultural activity. Guernsey and Jersey are isolated islands afar from the mainland and that's why they are not justified for a full EEZ, on the contrary Caray or have the right and have an EEZ. The map they show as "Greece's" is actually the map of the University of Seville according international maritime law which has been adopted officially by the EU 15 years ago but Greece never invoke it because the Turks have threaten with war....and EU looks the other way making business with the Fascists of Mediterranean... slpress.gr/english-edition/who-cares-about-the-map-of-seville-here-are-the-official-maps-of-the-eu/
@@zelotis7169 Same stuff. Greek want full EEZ for a isolated island Kastellorizo. It is 2km wide tiny island and it is 2000 meters away from Turkish coast. 500 inhabitants and even they dont have hospital in this small village that Greeks comes to Turkey if they need medical assistance or need shopping because Greek mainland is 600 km. And Greece want full EEZ for this small village. This is total madnesa. When Sevilla island create such extremist requests Turkey show noone can demand Turkey such expansionism. Turkey is not Libya that France can bomb and leave. Aginst Turkey noone can trade gas in east mediterranean zone. We are ready to spend blood to potect our waters. And I tell it as a opposition of Erdogan. This is not about Erdogan. This is Turkish national policy.
Why don't you talk about the Alsace-Lorraine the people say that they are Germans while the French government says the land is French The Europeans must stop their hypocrisy
@@CZcamsUniversity-ko8ug Cyprus was Greek before Turkey or the Ottoman empire existed. If you are going that far back in history then Turkey should return Constantinople and Islamic nations return EVERYTHING
How on earth would the continental shelf of Turkey overlap the exclusive economic zone of another country by a huge margin (The Republic of Cyprus) completely disregarding its status as a sovereign nation? The absurdity continues by giving an Exclusive Economic Zone to its de facto state (Turkish occupied territory) overlapping by more than a half the EEZ of the Republic of Cyprus. The Republic of Cyprus invites Turkey to resolve the matter in Hague if indeed what Turkey claims its legitimate. Of course Turkey does not accept such proposal, knowing that every steps she mades are violating the international law. That is the reality!
@@tahaselicioglu7487 Take it or leave it an Internationally recognised Nation has rights to its maritime borders and exclusive economic zone. Violating it, immediately means violation and complete disregard of international law.
@@vald3m845 What I said was a statement of a fact. I don't understand which part you disagreed? Also, How come a country can be internationally-recognized (what is it supposed to mean), if Turkey is not recognizing it?
@@tahaselicioglu7487 The fact one country refuses to recognise a sovereign nation does not imply that it is not internationally recognised. Cyprus is a UN member and a EU member State. The former grants international recognition of sovereignty. Fact is fact. If Turkey believes has legitimate rights both in Cyprus and the Aegean why it does not accept both Greek and Cypriot invitations to solve the matter in the International Court of Justice?
@@vald3m845 1- read my first message again. I have nothing to add. I answered the question "why Turkey doesn't go to litigation with RoC", not the question " why doesn't Turkey recognize RoC". The latter question is irrelevant to the discussion. 2- Perhaps Greece can bring up this in the bilateral discussions which they avoid for the last several years. Not in youtube comments.
That aint fair for Turkey, I believe all these other countries seem helping Greece just because of selling their outdated guns and vehicles to Greece. And Greece is on the other hand thinks all these countries got their back. Middle east is finished so they started to munch on small eu countries by pushing them around like this. Greece should agree with Turkey and work on this project together. They will gain more money instead of losing like this!.. I thought greeks were clever but seems like they bought the game already...
Greece is waiting for Turkey to the International Court of Justice to resolve the disputes of the continental shelf and EEZ on the basis of international law. If Turkey believes that its case is supported by International law then it has nothing to fear going to the International Court of Justice to resolve the disputes of the continental shelf and EEZ on the basis of international law. Very Simple. The question is Why Turkey doesn't follow Greece to the International court?
@@kespec Your "we will take what we want" attitude explains why Greece has militarised some of the Aegean islands: To defend them from Turkey's alarming record of 'interventions' and invasions in the region. By the way... the appliance of the old 'de-militarisation statute' on the islands *CEASED* with the creation of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the Warsaw Pact.
@@wrenchax Fantastic! So all you have to do is 1] recognise UNCLOS (as have 87% of all countries on the planet), 2] accept UNCLOS's status as Customary International Law and 3] accept Greece's repeated invitations to resolve the dispute in a peaceful and civilised manner at the International Court of Justice. Even if Turkey decides not to ratify UNCLOS, we can still go to the Court regardless. Simple 😃
@@zisiskarampaglidis4234 Okay, it doesn't matter whether the accepts the contract or not. Nato stepped in, said her opinion, said speak, you didn't come, we came. You should know that you cannot find a Turkish government to accept the Greek theses. The does not back down from her theses in two countries. Finally, the place to go will be law again. If your theses were 100 percent correct, you can be sure that there would be a world public opinion that drove us to the ground today.
The International Law of the Sea states that "Straight Baseline" can be drawn for states with a coastline only on the condition that the coastal topography complies with the principles of Article 7 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Moreover, apart from the "Normal Baseline" and "Straight Baseline" drawings, as a special condition, UNCLOS article 47 includes the methods for determining the "Archipelago Baseline", but this special method includes the "Archipelago State" in UNCLOS article 46 (State of the Islands/Archipelago). It is clear that Greece cannot benefit from the special provisions in Article 47 of the UNCLOS since it is not an Islands State or an Archipelago State. Because Greece is a mainland state, not a state like Indonesia that consists only of islands. Moreover, the faces of the Greek islands facing the Eastern Mediterranean have a total coastline of 167 kilometers and it is illegal to request a maritime jurisdiction against the Anatolian coast of 1870 kilometers. Also, islands less than 200 miles from the mainland do not produce an EEZ, in other words they are included in the EEZ area of the mainland, they cannot form an EEZ on it. As a result, Greece's Crete and Rhodes islands in creating the boundary waters by drawing straight main line to the sea ignore the existence and determine this from even the Ministry of Education in terms of Turkey's maritime rights and interests as never acceptable, is contrary to international maritime law and a violation of law. Just behind the island of Meis and ignoring the Anatolian coasts, where it sits on the continental shelf, it is an exclusive economic zone. If we show an example to this; Spain has islands on the Moroccan coast. In the upper part of the map below, you see the real EEZ of Spain, and in the lower part, what the EEZ would have been if Spain had made unlawful demands like Greece. Spain and Morocco act in accordance with the maritime law, based on the mainland in delimitation, abide by the principles of the superiority of geography, non-closure and proportionality, and do not grant maritime jurisdiction to the opposite Spanish islands (in front of the Moroccan mainland) other than their territorial waters. Therefore, the claim that Greece is the EEZ of Meis and other islands does not coincide with the legal and actual facts and is definitely not an acceptable situation in terms of international law
Turkey is *not* a signatory of UNCLOS as you probably know... If it was so clearly on the side of your claims, surely you would SIGN it and invoke it at every opportunity! Do you have an explanation for that? You think you will be allowed to drill a few miles of the coast of Crete? This "blue homeland" dream of yours will never happen! And it's easy to forget it, because the turkish state only invented it recently.
Internationally law judges who appoint them to be a judge. I think mW question answer your question. Turkia not trust them. Because they are supports Greece illegal stand. Because they don't want strong Turkia. They want little push-over lapdog Turkia. Since 2016 Turkia was the only country to not take order from global rulers. Macron and Mitsokatsis is Muppet for Rothschild s.
@@jdan9510 Internationally law judges who appoint them to be a judge. I think my question answer your question. Turkia not trust them. Because they are supports Greece illegal stand. Because they don't want strong Turkia. They want little push-over lapdog Turkia. Since 2016 Turkia was the only country to not take order from global rulers. Macron and Mitsokatsis is Muppet for Rothschild s.
Well, from the maps and Turkish claims around Cyprus a blind man can see how absurd those claims are....A Madman claims whatever...threatening left, right and center advocating that his positions stand...when the same man does not recognize the international law of the high seas...OK, who is right or wrong here?
@@hokkigamer5170 By geography Greece has lots of islands, this is the way it is. These islands are inhabited by people who need to make a living by being fishermen, land cultivators, craftsmen, tourism, whatever. That is why the international law gives the right for all these islanders to have up to 12 nautical miles economical zone. Now, when the stretch of water is less than that, say 3 miles for instance to the land mass of another country you can take the median line to work out the economical zone, that would be in our example 1.5 from each side. Simple as that. Beyond these 12 miles as it happens in the open sea (and applies also in the Aegean sea) it is international waters and anybody can pass/navigate through these waterways... So what is exactly unfair here?
@@AntoniosPikoulas we are talking about fair? Tell me how your little island so far away from Greece has an eez that blocks all the Turkish coast? Be reasonable for once and not blind.
@@MrCommandert10 I don't think it blocks anything. Go to the court and claim your rights. I am not saying that Turkey has no rights, what I am saying is that a claim has to be made according to what the international law says and not what the Sultan of Turkey thinks that is his. The fact that Turkey has not signed to this international law says it all. BTW, this small island away from Greece is nonsense. This island is also Greece as much as Izmir is in nowadays Turkey.
It is your claim. EEZ is the full economical rights of the area. And pipeline is an economical deal. You cant make construction on or under the water if owner of the EEZ doesnt allow you.
@@williamdavis9562 basically it doesn't mean that. That's territorial waters. The only way someone can block cables on his EEZ, is to invoke environmental reasons. It doesn't have to do with backyards and stuff.
@@DrDoomsd If what you were saying were true, nations wouldn't be sitting negotiating intensely to get it done. Nor would companies who finance these pipelines be so afraid confrontation might put their investment in jeopardy. What you're saying simply doesn't jive with reality.
This is an EXTREMELY seismic region. Riddled with extreme earthquakes! Is it really a good idea to be drilling and running gas pipes through this fragile region? Doing so, could have a sizeable catastrophic impact on the environment etc. Due diligence first!!!
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I mean maybe if they can find a safe way to do it?
@@Kalimdor199MenegrothInteresting reply! I'm guessing, lateral thinking isn't your strongest trait. I can see, you're already staying the course towards destruction. As I said.... due diligence first!!! I suggest you revisit the history books. Study industrial disasters around the world. In short, join the dots and draw some parallels of examples likened to a "Chernobyl". Have you ever visited Santorini? It's a beautiful landscape. Any idea how it was created? Any ideas regarding seismic movement, volcanos, shelves etc in the Mediterranean region? Due diligence first!
@@Erkn.yz16 If you think Turkey will win in ICU, why doesn't Erdogan start talks right away and go to ICJ? 13 Turkish banks are downgraded by Moodys, when European sanctions come in September 24, there might be capital controls in Turkey. Now it's a good time to withdraw money and convert to USD or EUR...
@@Giorg189 :) Does Turkey cry everyone Greece invade our water or Greece does? In this case you must open ICU because cry all day and you purchase second hand jets from France. Economy of Turkey how is on other eyes is not so affected to us. We still production very well and our economy not belongs to EU or Germany like Greece. We are Turks we war in same time with 5 country, we are not like Greeks cry all day behind others.
@@Erkn.yz16 Erdogan and his dogs (cavusoglu, akar etc.) are barking for war all day long. What are they trying to achieve? Scare Greece? Greece has support from all of EU and USA. Erdogam is crying to Merkel for France not to bring aircraft carrier. Greece is not Syria, Iraq or Libya. Put that to your brainless head before it's too late. When Turkey sends drilling ships to Greek and Cypriot waters together with frigates, this shows something. It shows that they are pirating foreign waters, otherwise why would someone need warships to enter his own territory.
@@Giorg189 Dear Giorgi, you are just brainless moron, i am sorry to say that but better learn it soon than ever. You had found a sugar "dady Germany" ten years ago sucked enough from them, and now you have found another one sugar "dady France". Germany just wants to secure their landed money, France wants you to suck a bit more so they can sell you second hand garbage weapons. You should stop listening and watching propaganda on Greek TVs, in fact just recently some of your old politicians started to tell you the truth about going to international court and the most likely consequences. If you think that economical sanctions will stop Turkey defending its right you must be foolish. Neither EU nor USA are backing you, you will be alone again when the real tension starts. I suggest you to demilitarise the Aegean islands, and abide the intl agreements you signed.
The thing with the Greek thesis is islands can act as a mainland to have EEZ only if we are talking about an archipelago country such as Philippines, Indonesia or an island country such as United Kingdom; therefore that's not the case for Greece. Also mainland Greece is further away from Eastern Mediterranean and in the meantime Turkey has the longest coastline to that respective area. Turkey's claims over Mediterranean Sea is legitimate and Greek government's maximalist claims are against the equitable principles of law. They are expecting an enormously larger EEZ for a 7.3 km² island (Kastellorizo) than the whole 755.000 km² Anatolian peninsula, which is with all my good intentions could be called delusional, to say at least. However there's always a solution and that is mutual dialogue without any precondition. Together both countries could earn more than they would loose with a conflict. I hope the necessary will for cooperation will be shown by both parts of the spectrum as this is what majority of people wants.
Is that according to the "Turkish Law of the Sea" which you made up because the United Nations Law of the Sea didn't suit you? Greece and Cyprus respect and follow international law. Turkey does not.
I would advise all parties to refrain from talking about painful historic issues which are not directly related to what we are debating now. Old wounds should be left to heal. The main issues at the moment are the 'Exclusive Economic Zones' & 'Territorial Waters'. Let us focus on those.
First things first. The Cyprus dispute must be resolved in order for Cyprus and Turkey to agree on their maritime borders. Secondly, the Turkish claims around the country of Cyprus are maximized and cannot be received seriously by any party. The median line solution is what should the two countries agree on. Follow the rules and play fair.
both side wants maximum and using at elections i believe there are wise people in both countries hope they can make fair deal without third parties needed.
A driver hears from the radio:"BREAKING NEWS" a car is moving against traffic on an one way avenue "BE CAREFULL".And the driver of that car full of anger shouts "only one?THERE ARE THOUSENTS YOU IDIOT"(THATS THE TURKISH WAY OF "DRIVING" POLITICS)...
Turkey claims 200 miles in Black sea,so it applies the international law even though it didn't vote for it,but doesn't want Greece to expand from 6 to 12 miles in the Aegean sea.From that only anyone can understand who creates conflicts and destabilises the region
@@INOTU7 yeah but according to international law,first of all, every island has exclusive economic zone and secondly, the sea between an island and the continental country belongs to the country's self so according to international law Turkey shouldn't have any rights on Aegean sea
@@Ace-ej7zl That's exactly why they haven't signed the UNCLOS. America hasn't either, by the way. Anyway, It's wrong for any finalised agreements to go ahead until the Cyprus issue is solved first, which is the major roadblock. Greek-Cyprus claiming EEZ over the entire island when they voted against unification in 2004 seems unfair. Equally, the Turkish-Libya deal is a farfethched (yet geopolitcally genius) move. Hopefully all parties can resume peaceful dialogue. Also, its amazing how the climate debate is never mentioned here -- maybe the best thing is to leave in under the sea -- preventing conflict and preventing emissions.
@@INOTU7 That's what I am saying. Even though it didn't sign, it applies the law at the Black Sea. Not to mention that violates the airspace laws on a daily basis. In addition, Turkey has also issued navtex near the shores of central Makedonia, so it doesn't matter for Turkish government whether it's near the shore or an island, it just wants illegally to claim as much area as it can.Now, Turkey and Turkish Cypriots don't want Cyprus to become an independent state. All of these are illegal movements
Turkey is absolutely right. I write one by one: *No one can claim 41000 km2 sea area for the 9km2 island (Kastellorizo-Meis). This tiny island is 2 km away to Turkey and 570 km from the mainland of greece. *Nobody responds to these illogical maximalist requests (greek nonsense)! *and no one should try to exclude a giant country of 832 thousand km2 with a population of 85 million in the Mediterranean for absurd reasons. (This country has the largest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean - 1870 km - from Bodrum to Samandag.)
Everything I write is based on mathematics only. Anyone who knows elementary level maths understands what I am saying! The Eastern Mediterranean has an inverted C-Shaped structure. The coastline distribution of the countries and peoples in this corner is given below: 1) Turkey (from Datca to Samandag): 1800 km, 2) Egypt (from Rafah to Mersa Matruh): 850 km, 3) Island of Cyprus: totally= 600 km [330km (Cypriot Turks) - 270km (Cypriot Greeks)] , 4) Lebonan: 230 km, 5) Islands belonging to Greece (East Med side): 160 km 6) Israel: 190 km, 7) Syria: 170 km, 8) Palestine: 40 km. Moreover, Turkey has a huge area with 832 000 km2. 97% of this area is located on the Anatolian side (Eastern Mediterranean side)!
International law is on the side of Turkey but Erdogan doesn't want to take this to international court so he can keep increasing tensions and distract his people from ongoing economical crisis. Turkey's thesis is pretty strong. In a small inner sea like Mediterranean and its extension Aegean Sea, islands cannot have their own EEZ as the mainland - at least not by 100%. Greece is a country with the mainland (consists nearly 75% of its mass) with the rest hundreds of habited and thousands of small islands and islets. However, Greek politicians aspire to promote their country as an island nation such as Philippines or Indonesia.
Wait until they find gas on the North Pole, Erdogan will go to war with the seals of Greenland claiming Turkey has the right to drill according to International Law 😂😂
@ΒΑΣΙΛΗΣ ΙΩΑΝΝΟΥ Let's see what happens, I hope nobody will suffer, I personally do not hold a grudge against the Greek people, but political games are here.
@@laradaniz1687 Just a few nukes will do the job. This is as much help the native peoples of the Mediterranean need to kick out from our homeland and our sea the paradises from Central Asia.
But when you pay couple of people to live in an island without hospital, shopping center, its something different lmao Greece demands full eez with some these islands, no country would accept it
@@keremozdemir7468 I can understand why you dont get the point. Turks are not sailors. You come from the steppes. The Lausanne Treaty gave you a couple of islands. Gökçeada (Imbros) and Bozcaada (Ténédos), the . You turned them into prisons. We, on the other hand have always been sailors. Our entire civilisation is based on navigations and our motherland is the sea. When you think islands are prisons, we see islands as freedom.
Thats not true. The international law gives Islands economic zone when a country is complety surrounded with sea. Which means, Greece must be surrounded with water like Japan or Indonesia in order to get economic zone for its Islands. Greece is connected to the European continent. So the Continental economic law has to be applied to Greece.
Greeks thinks like islands are bounded with chain. . They see like sea is land. Against Anatolian huge coastline, Greece has no right in that sea. East med. belong Turkey, Egypt, Cyprus and other Levant countries ( Lebanon, Israel).
I want to point out the ICJ decision in favor of Turkey: Ukraine-Romania, Morocco-Spain, UK-France. Thus, Turkey will definitely win! Also, recently Greece-Italy signed an EEZ agreement, so what happened? Let me tell you, the islands have not been fully authorized! funny greeks, greek govt makes me laugh so much :-)
Essentially, everyone tries to impose the hundreds of miles of sea areas between the Greek Islands of Mesa, Rhodes, Kerpe, Kashot and Crete as if there was a land and a snal uninterrupted coastal line from Meis to Crete. It bases all its claims on this virtual shore, the majority of which is the sea. There may be those who are unaware of this nonsense and unfortunately think as if Greece has long coasts in the Eastern Mediterranean. However, the International Law of the Sea states that "Straight Baseline" can be drawn for states with a coastline only on the condition that the coastal topography complies with the principles of Article 7 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Moreover, apart from the "Normal Baseline" and "Straight Baseline" drawings, as a special condition, UNCLOS article 47 includes the methods for determining the "Archipelago Baseline", but this special method includes the "Archipelago State" in UNCLOS article 46 (State of the Islands/Archipelago). It is clear that Greece cannot benefit from the special provisions in Article 47 of the UNCLOS since it is not an Islands State or an Archipelago State. Because Greece is a mainland state, not a state like Indonesia that consists only of islands. Moreover, the faces of the Greek islands facing the Eastern Mediterranean have a total coastline of 167 kilometers and it is illegal to request a maritime jurisdiction against the Anatolian coast of 1870 kilometers. Also, islands less than 200 miles from the mainland do not produce an EEZ, in other words they are included in the EEZ area of the mainland, they cannot form an EEZ on it. As a result, Greece's Crete and Rhodes islands in creating the boundary waters by drawing straight main line to the sea ignore the existence and determine this from even the Ministry of Education in terms of Turkey's maritime rights and interests as never acceptable, is contrary to international maritime law and a violation of law. (Dr. Yayci)
If it were that easy. I believe Turkey does not wish for any competition in regards to supplying Europe with gas. Currently, some pipelines are passing through their territory from Russia and Azerbaijan. So I guess they either want to cancel this pipeline completely, or to gain the EEZ so that they would be paid a transit tax.
As the meritame low refers, The both countries have to agree on the Islands sea boarders instead of claiming the full time sea boarder from the Islands and closing Turkey's access to Mediterranean sea which is the biggest sea cost owner to the sea. In my opinion, there has to be a common EEZ arround islands by providing the trust and security between sides. In the topic of Cyprus, as the position of turkish minority in the island voted for reunification there and the Cyrpus Republic voted for unresolution, no one can force cypriots for peace. Turkish Cypriots are not going to be disappeard from the Islands. Also, It wasn't legal the intention of killing Turkish minority there by ignoring their rights over Cyprus status. The worst against Turkish agression would be go forwards peace in the islands in fever of a common benefit of cypriots instead of discriminating Turkish minority.
Greek coastline 13600 km,turkish coastline 7200km.What about Crete?It's the fifth larger island in Mediterranean and not opposite to turkish coast but Turkey claims it shouldn't have EEZ...
@@user-ob5pm2xp3r the unsustainable claims are not realistic referring to the power balance and international relations. Instead, Greece has to work over increasing their own people' life standarts such as social security, hospitals, public transports or economy as much as Turkey has to focus on. The region can not be drown and separated. The region is enough neglected geographically. In my opinion better to announce an open shared common zone for a possible sustainable peace for Mediterranean region.
The part that wants war is the greek side. Because, micron wants to sell weapons to the greek govt. Also, there are greek military brigades on the islands of Chios and Lesbos. This situation is against the Lausanne Treaty! The greek side exploited (distorted) the treaties, the sovereignty transfer conditions in the Treaties of 1923-Lausanne (ARTICLE 13) and 1947-Paris (ARTICLE 14) disappeared! This situation is against the DEMILITARISED status!!!
More analysis is needed especially with respect to maritime laws and convention. Turkey has the largest coastline in the region that is part of the continental shelf that extends to meet the countries on the North Africa coast line. Any islands in between by convention do not have a claim that can substantially override the mainland's claim. Turkeys southern coastline extends to the whole of the eastern Mediterranean sea and Turkeys population is over 80 million. Lets have some impartiality and some proper analysis please.
Let me sum up Turkish/Cyprus/Greek arguments for this Turks -ataturk gave us the coast therefore it belongs to us Cyprus -Turkey please stop claiming in our island Greeks -we created math therefore this coast belongs to us Greeks and Turks steal everything
Where did you get that certainty? Anadolu Agency, Yeni Safak or Daily Sabah and other titans of free press? and if it so straightforward as you say, why Turkey refuses to sign the 1982 UN law of the sea or why Turkey has not agreed in signing an agreement with Greece that if they do not find a solution in bilateral talks they will both accept a Hague ruling?
@phd bmw Turkey can sign the international agreement of territorial waters, as we did, and claim what is really yours. But your government doesn't, because you claim more than what is legally yours and you know it.
How come greec claims all this area. Look at the map. Look to what agreed between France and the UK about Jersey and Guernsey and also many other cases.
According to the Int. Court of Jus., there are some decisions: Romania-Ukraine, France-UK and Morocco-Spain. All of these decisions are in favor of Turkey. Turkey is completely right.
İf greece trust their arguments and claims, they would accept the negotiations that Germany and Nato try both sides to come together. Turkey always said that we are ready to negotiate any claim that greece uphold
Greeks have rights, as long they follow instructions and obey,What else can they do beside produce cheese and olive oil,It will be them first getting smashed if war breaks out !!
@@wrenchax you are country famous for its genocides and overpassing human rights , inprisoning journalist and promoting propaganda , occupying others peoples lands such as cyprus , syria and kurdistan , You are a f*cking joke you now that right
@@SupremeLeaderyt It is quite normal for journalists who support terrorists to be jailed. I guess they are walking around in your country waving their hand. Kurds are our brothers. Two of our Presidents are of Kurdish origin. There are more than 100 deputies of Kurdish origin in the parliament. There are many Kurds in military diplomacy. The necessary lessons were given to the supporters of EOKA and ENOSIS in Cyprus. This is enough for you. I return your swearing exactly.
@astro boy So why home DNA based testing kits are banned in Turkey? Why until 2008, denigrating Turkishness was punishable by up to two years in prison and the law has now been changed to replace the word Turkishness with “the Turkish nation"?
Additionally, those who do not have information and documents should not comment! There are greek military brigades on the islands of Chios and Lesbos. This situation is against the Lausanne Treaty! The greek side exploited (distorted) the treaties, the sovereignty transfer conditions in the Treaties of 1923-Lausanne (ARTICLE 13) and 1947-Paris (ARTICLE 14) disappeared! This situation is against the DEMILITARISED status!!!
Turkey is definitely right and comfortable. *No one can claim 41000 km2 sea area for the 9km2 island (Kastellorizo-Meis). This tiny island is 2 km away to Turkey and 570 km from the mainland of greece. *Nobody responds to these illogical maximalist requests (greek nonsense)! *and no one should try to exclude a giant country of 832 thousand km2 with a population of 85 million in the Mediterranean for absurd reasons. (This country has the largest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean - 1870 km)
The last problem is related to gas. The territorial waters in the Aegean Sea, the islands, the borders of the territorial waters in the eastern Mediterranean, the Cyprus island problem, etc., have not been solved for years and have been postponed to these days, and the fact that Greece does not want to participate in the negotiations has caused the problems to grow. In addition to these, the possibility of gas reserves in the eastern Mediterranean made the situation even more critical.
Turkey has a huge land coast and it is tried to be beaten by one tiny (even you can’t see on map at the video) Greek island called Meis in Mediterranean Sea . This is just stupid.
Greece is not a eastmed country. Turkey has longest coastline with 12 nautical miles continental shelf and 200 nautical miles EEZ zone so your alleged eastmed pipeline is pipe-dream also consudeting UN approved Turkey Lybya maritime agreement.
The point is not what Turkey believes (imagines) about the Sea borders... because Turkey does not recognize the International Law of Sea.. The main point is where are the borders according to International Law of Sea.. Turkey and Greece.. lets go to International Court of Hague.. to solve it..
Sure but Greece said that they just negotiate the continental shelf between Turkey and Greece! Micotakis said that! Because they now they will lose if they negotiate about EZZ in Ostmed.sea!
If Turkey stops threatening to invade the greek territory, then Greece will stop militarize as they have the right to defend themselves by the Treaties in case of threat, invasion and potential war. In 1964 Turkey threatened to invade Cyprus and they did. How do you except they will wait for you to do the same? Read the Treaties again, history could be good for you 🇺🇸 🇫🇷🇬🇧🇮🇱🇬🇷 🇪🇸🇮🇹 🇮🇳 🇪🇬
Don't trust other countries and remember the megali katastrofia and the Cyprus War. Turkiye is more important country than greece for these countries. A small islet Kastellorizo (like a dot in the mediterranean sea) can not give the entire eastern mediterranean to greece. it is unfair
This dialog below with a Turk explains exactly why Greece is right and Turkey is wrong. Thank you very much Mr Khalid Ibn Alwaleed for your honest reply. He explains why Turkey is wrong in the best way. Please enjoy the exchange by clicking Read More. Dimi Dimi 2 days ago (edited) To be clear according to turkish "logic" the Falklands have no economic zones and is fair to belong to Argentina because are far away from UK. If turkey believes that intenational law is on its side why has not signed the law of the sea that 99% of countries accept? Sergei Formosa 1 day ago According to Greek logic, a tiny island of 8km2, 2km off Turkish coast gives Greece an area of a small country in wich Turkey is imprisoned to it's own shores. Also according to this logic the huge Turkish mainland is less important than a tiny island. Dimi Dimi 1 day ago @Sergei Formosa The same applies also in case of Qatar and Iran. Qatar needs to share its wealth with Iran as it is bigger right? Khalid Ibn Alwaleed 1 hour ago @Dimi Dimi it depends where the Qatari gas is. if its closer to iran then iran can claim it, but if its close to Qatar (which isn't even island) then it belongs to Qatar. same with greek islands they cannot lay claim on sea 1000X times bigger then the islands themselves otherwise Greek can claim the whole Mediterranean sea until Morocco. Dimi Dimi 21 minutes ago @Khalid Ibn Alwaleed Excellent answer because this is what the international law says and I hope all the turks agree with you. The area that Greece claims is closer to Greece hence even if the area is 10000000x bigger than the Greek island as you agreed, the island is still closer to that area hence the area is Greek. thank you very much for accepting that the area is Greek Khalid Ibn Alwaleed 14 hours ago @Dimi Dimi a rock can not claim same amount as country because they sea is full of rocks and island that were occupied by western countries during colonnisation. you have to take acount of proportion of the rock or island. you can't allocate right over a large area in the sea that is 1000 times bigger then the rock, otherwise an island like Britain can claim the whole Atlantic ocean. for example Spain ocupies rocks and small islands that are 10 meters from the Moroccan coast, if we follow your logic Spain can also deny Morocco complete access to medtranian sea Dimi Dimi 1 second ago @Khalid Ibn Alwaleed Again excellent point, another like. international law of the sea says that rocks cannot claim any economic areas but here we are talking about islands and islands can claim economic areas as far as the economic area is closer to them and this is exactly what Greece is doing. Regarding Britain and Spain's islands they claim an economic area that is closer to them and that is what other countries accept and what Greece accepts only Turkey does not accept that. Thank you very much my friend now get out of the Greek economic area.
There are lots of legal precedent in Turkey's favour regarding EEZ. One such example is that of the UK Channel islands - they are very close to the French coast yet these islands are only allowed territorial waters and have no EEZ. Based on existing legal precedent Greece's claims are clearly maximalist and contrary to international law which are based on fair equity.
this video is missing some details .. What about Meis island ! Turkey claim that field too! Greece claims that its territorial water border start from Meis and they add EEZ over it and claim awhole 40.000 km2 field as theirs.
@@Erkn.yz16 A) The Eastern Mediterranean has an inverted C-Shaped structure. The coastline distribution of the countries and peoples in this corner is given below: 1- Turkey (from Datca to Samandag): 1800 km, 2- Egypt (from Rafah to Mersa Matruh): 850 km, 3- Island of Cyprus: totally= 600 km [330km (Cypriot Turks) - 270km (Cypriot Greeks)] , 4- Lebonan: 230 km, 5- Israel: 190 km, 6- Syria: 170 km, 7- Islands belonging to Greece (East Med side of these islands: a-Rhodes 87 km, b-Kashot 20 km, c-Karpathos 15 km, d-Crete 30 km and e-Kastellerizo 8 km): 160 km, 8- Palestine: 40 km. Moreover, Turkey has a huge area with 832 000 km2. 97% of this area is located on the Anatolian side (Eastern Mediterranean side)!, B) Turkey remains loyal to the Lausanne Treaty unlike Greece. ARTICLE 13 of the Treaty of Lausanne and ARTICLE 14 of the Paris Treaty are very clear: Military troops etc. will not be established (DEMILITARISED) in the islands! (Limnos-Lesbos-Chios and etc.) Especially, I mentioned these three islands, C) Additionally, everything in UNCLOS can not be imposed. Illegal unilateral decisions cannot be taken without negotiation (as the Greek government did). The Baltic Sea can be given as an example of the Aegean Sea. Finland now has 3 miles of territorial waters by treaty. The passage of the Baltic Sea is 15 km on average, the passage of the Aegean Sea is 18 km on average. There are even more obstacles (islands and islets) in the Aegean Sea compared to the Baltic Sea. CONCLUSIONS: Turkey is absolutely right. I write one by one: *No one can claim 41000 km2 sea area for the 9km2 island (Kastellorizo-Meis). This tiny island is 2 km away to Turkey and 570 km from the mainland of greece. *Nobody responds to these illogical maximalist requests (greek nonsense)! *and no one should try to exclude a giant country of 832 thousand km2 with a population of 85 million in the Mediterranean for absurd reasons.
According to my research, the international law says following: Eighter you have to make an Agreement or a third country must play as a Referee to establish an Agreement. Neighter of this two solutions are applied in this conflict. The EU is trying to force Turkey with sanctions to accept Cyprus Economy Zone. But Eighter Turkey recognizes Cyprus nor Cyprus recognizes the turkish part of Cyprus. The Gas conflict can't be solved without solving the Cyprus conflict. The Turks claim that extending the economic zone is against the treaty of Lousanne and the treaty of Bosphorus.
subtract all the aegean please, not all Med sea! here is the link for more info, ec.europa.eu/maritimeaffairs/sites/maritimeaffairs/files/docs/body/greece_climate_change_en.pdf
@@seckinfiliz8682 can you please tell me where east med coast starts and ends for your calculation? Where do you place Greek coastline if not in east Med? Central Med? Lol
@@alexisgateley230 The Eastern Mediterranean has an inverted C-Shaped structure. The coastline distribution of the countries and peoples in this corner is given below: 1) Turkey (from Datca to Samandag): 1800 km, 2) Egypt (from Rafah to Mersa Matruh): 850 km, 3) Island of Cyprus: totally= 600 km [330km (Cypriot Turks) - 270km (Cypriot Greeks)] , 4) Lebonan: 230 km, 5) Islands belonging to Greece (East Med side): 160 km 6) Israel: 190 km, 7) Syria: 170 km, 8) Palestine: 40 km.
Biased vid. Northern Cyprus doesn't claim gas in south of Cyprus. It does however state that the whole population of the island should benefit from the resources all over the island, since EU itself sees the island as one entity, and Turkey doesn't promote it to get it recognized even by closest allies.
Greece will have to realize that the Aegean and Mediterranean Sea are not Greek inland waters. Turkey is by far the largest riparian in the Aegean and Mediterranean. Nevertheless, Greece claims that Turkey has no right to an economic area there. At some point they forbid Turkish fishermen to leave the Turkish port because they are allegedly in Greek waters. If the EU and all Greek supporters do not see this irrationality, then everyone will have to watch Greece face its next big catastrophe experienced. It was long overdue for the Turks to create a clear picture there.
you cant just claim the waters surrounding an island . As you say you made us swim back in the turkish war of independence . So get out of our sea and stay in your place.
@@SupremeLeaderyt That is also regulated. Mainland (Turkey) counts more than a small island (Meis). Except the island is an island state. But Greece is not an island nation. Turkey does not need to go to court. The problem can only be solved bileterally. But Greece prefers to hide behind the EU and NATO. Perhaps Greece should consider why France is maneuvering Greece into an unnecessary war.
There is a huge potential for economic growth for those poor countries and yet nothing happens because the Turkish politicians keep violating international laws and are not willing to find solutions on their problems with their neighbors on an international court. Seeing the complete fate and history of countries changing by finding important natural resources really makes me think of how life in Greece would be if something like this were to happen here too.. Also this tension is keeping the life of those countries' people miserable because billions of their tax money is spent on military equipment. Money that could have been turned into education, healthcare, transportation investments..
Those weapons are our investment into our negotiation powers needed to be used in sharing the gas resources in those seas. Those resources seems to be far more important than peace. You see Turkish politicians from Greek media. I see Greece from Turkish premise. You must admit that you are not a good neighbour, supporting terrorism, violating Turkish airspace, militarize the islands, purchase weapon against Turks.I am perfectly comfortable, and don't feel tiny bit of unfairnes toward Greece regarding 12 mile issue. I don't have trust to Greece. International court may work, but i am not hopefull as you are that we may have result, our dispue is about natural resorces. Otherwise we get along well in normal conditions. Our countries are doomed to mistrust each others, which is not meant to imply personal mistrust. And things will get worsen few years later when we drill more resorces. Respects.
@@tolgaoztemur I am aware of most of the issues you mentioned. The thing about the airspace is that Greece's airspace does not follow its sea border but goes further outwards. It is a quite rare situation for a country to have this kind of borders. So Turkey does not accept this and says that Greece's sea and air border end at the same place. That's why for your country's perspective, Greece is violating Turkish airspace while for my country Greece only operates within its borders and the Turkish airplanes are the ones that are doing the violations. On the militarization of the islands part, the Turkish claim has some ground but things here are really complicated. The treaty that is talking about this, does not allow the existence of naval bases on the islands but does not forbid the presence of military personnel and equipment. What it actually says is that the militarization of those islands should not be greater of that of your average Greek mainland area. This is a highly controversial and blurry claim and everyone can interpret it the way they want. On the purchasing weapons against the Turks part, I think that there is not any offensive motivation behind this. Greece, at least for what the politicians are saying, is buying weapons to have a decent defensive capability against a Turkish act of aggression. The Turkish military is far larger than that of Greece's, so they must keep some balances through the equipment. I don't quite get the supporting terrorism part. You should get more specific on this one. International court at this point I think is the only real solution for both sides. This might be a way of ending this everlasting issue and stoping all the aggression that is costing both countries millions of Euros/Lyras and preventing them from establishing much needed cooperations. As far as I am concerned, both of us are not politicians and do not have a real saying in all of this. So what we can do from our part is to stop the aggression and show to our leaders that they will not gain political power by fighting the "evil" neighbor. Thank you for your time!
One thing that European Union needs to understand is that Turkey is determined to resolutely to defend its territorial waters from anyone that dare attempt to encroach on it even if it means total war
Ishumaeru Kharorda There is one thing Turkey needs to understand is that there are some countries in EU that are determined to stop Turkish expansionism even if it means tota war !!
When Greece militarizes islands close to Turkey's mainland, doesn't it pose a security threat? Meis Island lies roughly 1.3 km(2 miles) off the south of Turkey and it is militarized by Greece. Greece does not end its violation. Greece's militarization of Keci (Pserimos) island, eight kilometers (five miles) southwest of the Bodrum peninsula, and its deployment of soldiers there. In the Dodecanese islands group in the Aegean Sea, there are also some rocky areas, islets, and islands with yet-undetermined status. Keci (pserimos) island, is the closest island to the Turgutreis neighborhood of Türkiye's southwestern Bodrum resort city. Sakiz(Chios) island, is situated in the northern Aegean Sea. The island is separated from Turkey by the Chios Strait, 5 miles (8 km) off the western coast of Turkey in the Aegean Sea, North Aegean. January 18, 2018
Some Greek DEFENSIVE military is a threat to the huge Turkish OFFENSIVE Aegean Arny of 130.000 men? Are you nuts?????????????????? Do you even believe that?????????????????? If so, then we the Greeks must be the best fighters on the planet and you the Turks, must be just a joke! Both cannot be true. So, you must decide what is true… We are a threat, or you are crap? PS) Read the treaties. NOWHERE is mentioned that these islands are not allowed to have military. What is mentioned is that these islands cannot have naval bases, and therefore we have no naval base on them! STOP Turkish propaganda! Everybody is laughing at you …
Let's not kid ourselves. Current UNCLOS is very well in favour of Greece. This is why Turkey never wanted to sign an EEZ agreement. Turkish gas exploration ships have been roaming in Mediterranean for years without violating international law. Every country has their own national interests - take Norway as an example. They chose not to join EU for their fishing rights because EU Fishery Policy wasn't in their favor.
Not one inch to the Turks, hopefully Europe can divide Turkey when their destruction will take place. Russia the northern side of Turkey, Greece the coast line, France the lower closer to Lebanon and US their bases , hmmm. Looking fwd to this
Fearless Tv excellent and you will for another 1000. No way you ever get in to Europe. PS , great economy there dreamer, Moody’s must be a dreamer and no brain also. Lol keep growing hair boys, keep trying, nobody takes you joker serious anymore...
what a interesting voice talking fairy tail. so you saying that, world should ignore the Turkey natural gas demands around their and Cyprus costs, is that what you saying? I am laughing at you & same time feel miserable on you that how come there still people existing with such a mindset. So, you confirm that you protecting massacre of ethnic Turkish minorities by Greece radicals in 1974 by saying occupation of Turkish army. Do you really think that if they could have leave in piece then Turks would have been interfering to the island?
Turkey has 1800 km coastline in the eastern mediterranean while greece is not even located in the eastern mediterranean. Thus, greece can not have any claims to anything in the eastern mediterranean; it all belongs to Turkey.
Cyprus use to be a one island . It is the ethnic Greeks with the support of the main land who started a war against their Turkish neighbors in the island .
Greece is not a Eastern Med. sea country. Greece borders stop at the Eagean Sea. They are western med. sea country. so they have absolutely zero say in this
The south and south/east coasts of the Greek islands of Crete, Karpathos, Rhodes and Kastelorizo all face the Eastern Mediterranean *DIRECTLY* . Simple geography...
THE TURKS HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS!!! CHINA IS GIVING TURKEY LOTS AND LOTS SLEAZY IDEAS OF LAND GRAB VIA INTIMIDATION AND OPPRESSION. TURKEY HAS TO BE KICKED OUT OF (NATO) YESTERDAY!!! AL QAEDA & ISIS ISIL JIHADISTS = TURKEY TURKMENISTAN & QATAR. WE HAVE THE FULL GROUPS OF TERRORISM INSIGHT OUR (NATO)........ WHAT"S NEXT?????????
Is there any other country in the world claiming 40,000 square kilometers of maritime jurisdiction area for just a 10-square-kilometer island? Is there any other country that claims 10 miles airspace while its territorial waters are six miles?”
Why was Kastelorizo not mention here ? Because that islands EEZ doesn't align with recent ICU and international courts decisions and makes Greece claims maximalistic. Obviously Turkey's claim that islands don't have EEZ is ridiculous but so are Greece claims regarding Kastelorizo. Both sides should negotiate and bring a fair and just solution.
@Nazda Azadov Yes, you are correct, Greece indeed gave up a debt to Germany but TMK withdrew from the WW2 reparations in order to allow Germany to stand up on its feet again.
In what univers islands have continental shelf claim they can only have economic zone with 12 mile. Greece claims is absurd, 10 year old child can laugh that. Turkia is not Arab country. You can take Arabs oils and gases. NOT FROM TURKS. If you wanna proof looked at France-England dispute and what the international court decided. All previous international court results proven the rightcious of Turkias continental shelf rights
@@georgeloy If you looked at that law continental shelf start continent. Not the far away island. Which Greece always overlooked that laws when its not go with the ire desires.
you ,a country famous for its genocides and overpassing human rights , inprisoning journalist and promoting propaganda , occupying others peoples lands such as cyprus , syria and kurdistan , will talk about whats fair and whats not????? You are a f*cking joke you now that right
@@SupremeLeaderyt In which international law gives 400000 squere mile continental shelf for 10 km2 island who distance to Turkia 2 km. Distance to Greece 580 km. Show me which Internationally cases supports Greek claims. NONE OF THEM. But don't worry we learn international law from USA. Which last 40 year they are govern Turkia. Now Turkia is free. And realize if you want to protect what you have you have to militarily and economicly strong. If not Syria,Libya,Iraq,Afghanistan very close examples to us. Turkia will not give anything to you guys. Not until spell us last drop of our bloods.
First of all.....EVERYONE CHILL OUT. Nobody will go to war with another one. I’m Turkish, and I say this with both perspectives. Turkey has every right in this situation. HOWEVER, Turkey’s mistake is having bad relations with everyone. This prevents solving problems with diplomacy. Now if we talk about war, it’s not going to happen. Turkey can destroy Greece, but will get a very significant damage because of how isolated it is now.
With all due respect turkey is in the wrong. . Turkey sees things the way its suits her. The law says islands do have an eez , 195 countries have signed on it but turkey somehow knows better?. But turkeys view indonessia, phillipines, uk, falklands, malaysia , maldives do not have an ezz. Turkey used the U.N international laws of the sea to fix its eez with russia, the very same law it denies in the mediteranean, why? Is it because russia can bury turkey within 15 minutes if it tried the same tactics it uses on greece and cyprus? Seems to me turks are simply not happy at god for not putting oil in their territory and are jealous at others.
@@eliassolomou5503 no, it's because Russia don't have islands right next to us and claim the whole area is their waters. You are not reasonable. You really think that tiny island cut all Turkish access to the sea. There is no precedent of that. Look at Spain and Morocco examples
@@MrCommandert10 , so tell then, turkey says islands and cyprus do not have an eez. Why then did turkey sign an eez with trnc? Why dies turkish occupied northern cyprus have an eez and not the cyprus republic? Did greece place those islands where they are?, did greece write international law and the laws of the sea? The greek eez dose not block turkeys movements as thats free passage, the eez that turkey demands is to exploit the resources that are in greek areas. Two very different things.
Turkey can "destroy" Greece. That's a really bold claim! If it could, it would've done so already like it did in Syria and in Libya. Get off your high horse before it is too late and we all learn (the hard way) how destructive and how unpredictable a war can be between two military-capable countries. Turks often seem to think that they'll do the firing and Greece will just sit there and take it... Absurd. Greece can and will defend itself if Turkey pushes it. And no, Turkey does NOT have "every right" in this situation. Turkey claims that islands have no EEZ at ALL which is not only against International law, it is also unreasonable. The Turko-Libyan agreement suggests even Crete has no EEZ, a large island where half a million Greeks live. Greece, on the other hand, is forced to claim that islands have full EEZ which is also unreasonable. However, the deals Greece signed with Egypt and Italy clearly show the country's intention to accept a REDUCED influence for islands (depending on their size and population). If Turkey was actually willing to discuss, a similar deal would be done. And if Turkey was right, it would obviously agree to take this dispute to the International Court of Justice. Which would, undoubtedly force Greece and Turkey to share the EEZ on the region thereby invalidating BOTH counties' existing claims.
@@eliassolomou5503 in response to Greece. I think a fair compromise could be both countries sign an agreement of fair share of aegen resources and Mediterranean resources.
In this situation Turkey should alliance with Germany,Russia,China,iran,and Pakistan.Greece is illegally occupied Greece Cyprut. EU support Gecce it is also illegal.So turkey should capture the southern Cyprus. I love Turkey and Russia
International law also democratic law, a law created by the western country to fulfill their interest & the law maker of it, also wants to apply in Muslim country or Arab country in order to have access n control the Arab country, This exactly what happen,in Iraq ,Syria ,Libya mostly in Palestine ,these are the country not benefiting from international laws , as I said international law created for their own benefit n interest & Muslim country no benefit. This is the reason why turkey not signing the EEZ agreement, turkey knows very well international law just in favour to Greece benefit n their own benefit which is turkey could not. If turkey was signing the EEZ then turkey was totally loosing his right at all but turkey really genius not signing the EEZ to maintain is right from EEZ at the same time their right not covered by the international law since turkey not signing the EEZ agreement, that is why turkeys ship oruc Reis ,fatih still searching the oil from disputing sea for how many years until now. Again international law just for their own interest n benefit, just to control the Muslim country, look what happen to,Saudi,Egypt,u.a.e Jordan n some Arab country already controlled by the western n EU become the puppet. Unfortunately western n EU disappointed to IRAN since Iran standing to protect their country n knows very well the western n EU tactics.
To be clear according to turkish "logic" the Falklands have no economic zones and is fair to belong to Argentina because are far away from UK. If turkey believes that intenational law is on its side why has not signed the law of the sea that 99% of countries accept?
With the same logic the Jersey islands should have no EEZ and no rights, because they are close to France, and actually they should belong to France. This is the turkish logic.
According to Greek logic, the UK's EEZ would extend all the way out to the British Virgin Islands, thereby Ireland must not claim any waters in between. Silliness.
According to Greek logic, a tiny island of 8km2, 2km off Turkish coast gives Greece an area of a small country in wich Turkey is imprisoned to it's own shores. Also according to this logic the huge Turkish mainland is less important than a tiny island.
@@FiveStarArmchairGeneral The same applies also in case of Qatar and Iran . Qatar needs to share its wealth with Iran as it is bigger right?
@ GREECE IS RIGHT
Part of Cyprus is ILLEGALLY occupied since 1974 , you know.. not recognized by ANYONE other than Turkey.. so anything around Cyprus you technically have no claim to.
Let me ask you this, why should two people, from different ethnicites, religions, historys, languages and roots should be part of the same nation just because they are on the same island? Also riddle me this, why should northern cypriots who have their own country should choose to go back to being a minority in someone elses country?
@@efecaktl5432 guya Turkleri savunuyormussun gibi yaptin ama kullandigin cumle yanlis. Yunanlilarin devleti asla olmadi, olmuyacakta
@@efecaktl5432 the turk cypriots was asked if they want to go to turkey or stay in cyprus as minority , they chose to stay.
northern cypriots have no country, there is only the republic of cyprus and the northern cypriots are just inhabitants a occupied part of the republic of cyprus.
furthermore many northern cypriots are illegally settled in northern cyprus and they have to turn back to turkey one day when the island is liberated.
un resolutions orders turkey to withdraw all turkish soldiers and declares the populating of cypriot land with turkish settlers as warcrimes.
there is really no chance ever that northern cyprus can get any legal status ever and it will automatically be dissolved once the balcanization of turkey begins.
@@efecaktl5432 Let me ask u this; there is 3.5 Million Turks in Germany; should they claim a territory from Germany just because they are so many, or have a different ethnicity or language? Should Turkey invade and illegally occupy land from Germany to settle this people and transfer indigenous Turks into its territory? Their rights are not respected? The answer is of course No. They live their lives and have full human rights of voting, property etc etc like everybody else. Why doesnt Turkey allow the 20-30 Million (Turkish) Kurds a territory of their own within Turkey? To take it further, If you are a true Cypriot you can stay in Cyprus and be part of a European country with all your rights; you cannot create a "state' by stealing other people's properties, just because Turkey invaded in 74...if you are an illegal settler, then off back to Turkey. Dont ask for more of what you are entitled. You cannot be illegal and wrong and seek "justice" at the same time. Justice will be served when Turkey leaves Cyprus and allows Cypriots to command their own island.
@@horror11 turkey had every right to take the island, greek coup clearly violated the great signed that stated that any of the gurranteor countries can invade if the status cuo is broken in cyprus. At that time radial tensions where high and greeks where killing turks, they couldnt go back to being öne country, turks would get slaughtred. I get that people are saying now that the ethnic tensions have died down that they can become a normal country but my question standa, why should northern cypriots except this? They are content with what they have right now, why should they risk another greek milita try and take their homes or lives? There just isnt any good enougj reason for them to accept it and you and nobody else have any say on their decisions.
The Greeks say that 80 million people living in Turkey do not have any right in the Mediterranean because the small island with a small population are belong to grece . island 580 kilometers far from the mainland of Greece and just 2.4 km far from turkey main land.
Remember that the turks conquered anatolia from the greeks, who have been there for thousands of years. Had it not been for the turks, the modern greek state would include Greece, Cyprus, and Turkey.
@@sergioacevedo2254 different timeline different borders. Reality hurts
Everyone watching this video can come up with their own excuses to back up their own desires. Such a dialogue will never reach a conclusion though. Thankfully there are international laws to help us solve those issues. All it's needed is for the two sides to agree on letting a court decide who's right through those laws.
@@D.Pap_Art I agree, international law is the only way forward, if you are lawful. If not, the way forward is bullying and bargaining. Bullying and bargaining results in claims such as the one at 0:16 (pause video and observe how irrational are the pink and yellow regions with respect to Cyprus's maritime rights). I mean damn, how the hell can they justify the regions at 0:16 by international law!!!
@@JasTheKariol That is also related to Turkey not recognizing Cyprus as a country.
Looks Turkey has a point. It loses access to high seas because of small islands. Much akin to Channel islands and France.
Maybe you can steal it, which is one of the things turks did their entire history as a nomadic people
@@ashokathegreat4534 Greece does not end its violation. Turkish west coast (Lesbos, Chios, Samos, and the Dodecanese islands), some of them in very close proximity to the mainland. Meis Island lies roughly 1.3 km(2 miles) off the south of Turkey and it is militarized by Greece. Exclusive Economic Zone: means the area up to a distance of 200 miles (370 Km). The Aegean Islands, which are close to the Aegean coasts, are common today with these defined distances.
The Channel islands belong to the UK and not to France. Therefore , the UK gets the offshore maritime zone and not France.
according to international maritime law, islands far from the mainland do not have exclusive economic zones. Greece is demanding a huge area for a small island at the bottom of Turkey, which is unfair.
According UNCLOS inhabidant islands has EEZs
Also how can Greece let islands unarmed when turkey has to the coast the Aegian army with hundred landing ships?
Who trust turkey who has invaded to all neighbours?
Turkey claims by demonstrating military force & threats and not by accepting international laws. This is also unfair and basically, uncivilized!
Can you speak about the similar dispute that was between Britain and France?
is not the same dispute
Just Google British channel islands Guernsey and Jersey, they are only 6 km off the coast of France, so they have no full EEZ.
@@gedankenexplosion5690 ignorant! The do not have EEZ because they agreed not to have. Other countries with disputes had different decisiom and noone threaten with war. Fuckheads!
@@gedankenexplosion5690 The key difference between Guernsey and Jersey case with Aegean archipelago is that they are not forming an archipelago which has an economic and cultural activity.
Guernsey and Jersey are isolated islands afar from the mainland and that's why they are not justified for a full EEZ, on the contrary Caray or have the right and have an EEZ.
The map they show as "Greece's" is actually the map of the University of Seville according international maritime law which has been adopted officially by the EU 15 years ago but Greece never invoke it because the Turks have threaten with war....and EU looks the other way making business with the Fascists of Mediterranean...
slpress.gr/english-edition/who-cares-about-the-map-of-seville-here-are-the-official-maps-of-the-eu/
@@zelotis7169 Same stuff. Greek want full EEZ for a isolated island Kastellorizo. It is 2km wide tiny island and it is 2000 meters away from Turkish coast. 500 inhabitants and even they dont have hospital in this small village that Greeks comes to Turkey if they need medical assistance or need shopping because Greek mainland is 600 km.
And Greece want full EEZ for this small village. This is total madnesa.
When Sevilla island create such extremist requests Turkey show noone can demand Turkey such expansionism. Turkey is not Libya that France can bomb and leave. Aginst Turkey noone can trade gas in east mediterranean zone. We are ready to spend blood to potect our waters. And I tell it as a opposition of Erdogan. This is not about Erdogan. This is Turkish national policy.
Phd bmw British Folkland island are all the way down to Argentina ?
They were British before Argentina existed.
Why don't you talk about the Alsace-Lorraine the people say that they are Germans while the French government says the land is French
The Europeans must stop their hypocrisy
Even the whole of Cyprus was never Greece, it is occupied by the Greece
@@CZcamsUniversity-ko8ug Cyprus was Greek before Turkey or the Ottoman empire existed. If you are going that far back in history then Turkey should return Constantinople and Islamic nations return EVERYTHING
@@redberries8039 We where in Cyprus before the Turks too.
I think we will take over Greece as soon as possible
India should stand with EU and Greece against enemy country Turkey
Greece should let us build a military base on one of their islands
How on earth would the continental shelf of Turkey overlap the exclusive economic zone of another country by a huge margin (The Republic of Cyprus) completely disregarding its status as a sovereign nation? The absurdity continues by giving an Exclusive Economic Zone to its de facto state (Turkish occupied territory) overlapping by more than a half the EEZ of the Republic of Cyprus. The Republic of Cyprus invites Turkey to resolve the matter in Hague if indeed what Turkey claims its legitimate. Of course Turkey does not accept such proposal, knowing that every steps she mades are violating the international law. That is the reality!
Turkey does not recognize the RoC as a sovereign country and the representative of the entire island. Litigation would mean the acceptance
@@tahaselicioglu7487 Take it or leave it an Internationally recognised Nation has rights to its maritime borders and exclusive economic zone. Violating it, immediately means violation and complete disregard of international law.
@@vald3m845 What I said was a statement of a fact. I don't understand which part you disagreed? Also, How come a country can be internationally-recognized (what is it supposed to mean), if Turkey is not recognizing it?
@@tahaselicioglu7487 The fact one country refuses to recognise a sovereign nation does not imply that it is not internationally recognised. Cyprus is a UN member and a EU member State. The former grants international recognition of sovereignty. Fact is fact. If Turkey believes has legitimate rights both in Cyprus and the Aegean why it does not accept both Greek and Cypriot invitations to solve the matter in the International Court of Justice?
@@vald3m845 1- read my first message again. I have nothing to add. I answered the question "why Turkey doesn't go to litigation with RoC", not the question " why doesn't Turkey recognize RoC". The latter question is irrelevant to the discussion. 2- Perhaps Greece can bring up this in the bilateral discussions which they avoid for the last several years. Not in youtube comments.
That aint fair for Turkey, I believe all these other countries seem helping Greece just because of selling their outdated guns and vehicles to Greece. And Greece is on the other hand thinks all these countries got their back. Middle east is finished so they started to munch on small eu countries by pushing them around like this. Greece should agree with Turkey and work on this project together. They will gain more money instead of losing like this!.. I thought greeks were clever but seems like they bought the game already...
You have bought much more guns from USA and Europe than Greece...
Greece is waiting for Turkey to the International Court of Justice to resolve the disputes of the continental shelf and EEZ on the basis of international law. If Turkey believes that its case is supported by International law then it has nothing to fear going to the International Court of Justice to resolve the disputes of the continental shelf and EEZ on the basis of international law. Very Simple. The question is Why Turkey doesn't follow Greece to the International court?
turkey will get what it wants, cry some more greek.
@@kespec
Your "we will take what we want" attitude explains why Greece has militarised some of the Aegean islands: To defend them from Turkey's alarming record of 'interventions' and invasions in the region.
By the way... the appliance of the old 'de-militarisation statute' on the islands *CEASED* with the creation of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the Warsaw Pact.
Which media tell you these? Turks do not escape the law. We do not escape from negotiation and international arbitration.
@@wrenchax
Fantastic!
So all you have to do is 1] recognise UNCLOS (as have 87% of all countries on the planet), 2] accept UNCLOS's status as Customary International Law and 3] accept Greece's repeated invitations to resolve the dispute in a peaceful and civilised manner at the International Court of Justice.
Even if Turkey decides not to ratify UNCLOS, we can still go to the Court regardless.
Simple 😃
@@zisiskarampaglidis4234 Okay, it doesn't matter whether the accepts the contract or not. Nato stepped in, said her opinion, said speak, you didn't come, we came. You should know that you cannot find a Turkish government to accept the Greek theses. The does not back down from her theses in two countries. Finally, the place to go will be law again. If your theses were 100 percent correct, you can be sure that there would be a world public opinion that drove us to the ground today.
The International Law of the Sea states that "Straight Baseline" can be drawn for states with a coastline only on the condition that the coastal topography complies with the principles of Article 7 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Moreover, apart from the "Normal Baseline" and "Straight Baseline" drawings, as a special condition, UNCLOS article 47 includes the methods for determining the "Archipelago Baseline", but this special method includes the "Archipelago State" in UNCLOS article 46 (State of the Islands/Archipelago). It is clear that Greece cannot benefit from the special provisions in Article 47 of the UNCLOS since it is not an Islands State or an Archipelago State. Because Greece is a mainland state, not a state like Indonesia that consists only of islands.
Moreover, the faces of the Greek islands facing the Eastern Mediterranean have a total coastline of 167 kilometers and it is illegal to request a maritime jurisdiction against the Anatolian coast of 1870 kilometers. Also, islands less than 200 miles from the mainland do not produce an EEZ, in other words they are included in the EEZ area of the mainland, they cannot form an EEZ on it. As a result, Greece's Crete and Rhodes islands in creating the boundary waters by drawing straight main line to the sea ignore the existence and determine this from even the Ministry of Education in terms of Turkey's maritime rights and interests as never acceptable, is contrary to international maritime law and a violation of law.
Just behind the island of Meis and ignoring the Anatolian coasts, where it sits on the continental shelf, it is an exclusive economic zone. If we show an example to this; Spain has islands on the Moroccan coast. In the upper part of the map below, you see the real EEZ of Spain, and in the lower part, what the EEZ would have been if Spain had made unlawful demands like Greece. Spain and Morocco act in accordance with the maritime law, based on the mainland in delimitation, abide by the principles of the superiority of geography, non-closure and proportionality, and do not grant maritime jurisdiction to the opposite Spanish islands (in front of the Moroccan mainland) other than their territorial waters. Therefore, the claim that Greece is the EEZ of Meis and other islands does not coincide with the legal and actual facts and is definitely not an acceptable situation in terms of international law
You are right for kastellorizo. Turkey should go to international court and will win... but Turkey is not going to legal process...why ?
Turkey is *not* a signatory of UNCLOS as you probably know... If it was so clearly on the side of your claims, surely you would SIGN it and invoke it at every opportunity! Do you have an explanation for that?
You think you will be allowed to drill a few miles of the coast of Crete? This "blue homeland" dream of yours will never happen! And it's easy to forget it, because the turkish state only invented it recently.
Internationally law judges who appoint them to be a judge. I think mW question answer your question. Turkia not trust them. Because they are supports Greece illegal stand. Because they don't want strong Turkia. They want little push-over lapdog Turkia. Since 2016 Turkia was the only country to not take order from global rulers. Macron and Mitsokatsis is Muppet for Rothschild s.
@@jdan9510 Internationally law judges who appoint them to be a judge. I think my question answer your question. Turkia not trust them. Because they are supports Greece illegal stand. Because they don't want strong Turkia. They want little push-over lapdog Turkia. Since 2016 Turkia was the only country to not take order from global rulers. Macron and Mitsokatsis is Muppet for Rothschild s.
@@canturan4396 what kind of argument is that ? You suffer severe paranoia... doctor Erdogan is giving strange medicine
Poorly elaborated.
Well, from the maps and Turkish claims around Cyprus a blind man can see how absurd those claims are....A Madman claims whatever...threatening left, right and center advocating that his positions stand...when the same man does not recognize the international law of the high seas...OK, who is right or wrong here?
How are they fair? The agean sea is like a Greek lake.
@@hokkigamer5170 By geography Greece has lots of islands, this is the way it is. These islands are inhabited by people who need to make a living by being fishermen, land cultivators, craftsmen, tourism, whatever. That is why the international law gives the right for all these islanders to have up to 12 nautical miles economical zone. Now, when the stretch of water is less than that, say 3 miles for instance to the land mass of another country you can take the median line to work out the economical zone, that would be in our example 1.5 from each side. Simple as that. Beyond these 12 miles as it happens in the open sea (and applies also in the Aegean sea) it is international waters and anybody can pass/navigate through these waterways... So what is exactly unfair here?
@@AntoniosPikoulas we are talking about fair? Tell me how your little island so far away from Greece has an eez that blocks all the Turkish coast? Be reasonable for once and not blind.
@@AntoniosPikoulas try it and face it. good luck
@@MrCommandert10 I don't think it blocks anything. Go to the court and claim your rights. I am not saying that Turkey has no rights, what I am saying is that a claim has to be made according to what the international law says and not what the Sultan of Turkey thinks that is his. The fact that Turkey has not signed to this international law says it all. BTW, this small island away from Greece is nonsense. This island is also Greece as much as Izmir is in nowadays Turkey.
Indonesia supports Turkey
ofcourse you support them just because you both believe in imaginary friend abdullajajaja
You are just one indonesian
No Pakistan and iran also
Sto boutso mas
Gas pipes and cables do not need permission by whoever owns the EZ.
It is your claim. EEZ is the full economical rights of the area. And pipeline is an economical deal. You cant make construction on or under the water if owner of the EEZ doesnt allow you.
@Alexandros Var, an EZ zone basically means it's your territory. So anyway one stroll into your backyard and start building pipelines and cables? lol
@@williamdavis9562 basically it doesn't mean that. That's territorial waters. The only way someone can block cables on his EEZ, is to invoke environmental reasons. It doesn't have to do with backyards and stuff.
@@DrDoomsd If what you were saying were true, nations wouldn't be sitting negotiating intensely to get it done.
Nor would companies who finance these pipelines be so afraid confrontation might put their investment in jeopardy.
What you're saying simply doesn't jive with reality.
This is an EXTREMELY seismic region. Riddled with extreme earthquakes! Is it really a good idea to be drilling and running gas pipes through this fragile region? Doing so, could have a sizeable catastrophic impact on the environment etc. Due diligence first!!!
I mean maybe if they can find a safe way to do it?
@ Hindsight is remarkable. We must learn from history and we mustn't be striving for the next Chernobyl, Fukushima.
@@post4656 They are drilling for gas mostly. Not radioactive material. Comparing this with Chernobyl or Fukushima is ridiculous.
@@Kalimdor199MenegrothInteresting reply! I'm guessing, lateral thinking isn't your strongest trait. I can see, you're already staying the course towards destruction. As I said.... due diligence first!!! I suggest you revisit the history books. Study industrial disasters around the world. In short, join the dots and draw some parallels of examples likened to a "Chernobyl". Have you ever visited Santorini? It's a beautiful landscape. Any idea how it was created? Any ideas regarding seismic movement, volcanos, shelves etc in the Mediterranean region? Due diligence first!
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth have you watched the news this morning re latest earthquake in the region?
Turkish logic on how to delimit the EEZ: Whoever can eat more kebabs in one sitting gets more EEZ.
czcams.com/video/1x6nYtn6xcM/video.html
@@Erkn.yz16 If you think Turkey will win in ICU, why doesn't Erdogan start talks right away and go to ICJ?
13 Turkish banks are downgraded by Moodys, when European sanctions come in September 24, there might be capital controls in Turkey. Now it's a good time to withdraw money and convert to USD or EUR...
@@Giorg189 :) Does Turkey cry everyone Greece invade our water or Greece does? In this case you must open ICU because cry all day and you purchase second hand jets from France. Economy of Turkey how is on other eyes is not so affected to us. We still production very well and our economy not belongs to EU or Germany like Greece. We are Turks we war in same time with 5 country, we are not like Greeks cry all day behind others.
@@Erkn.yz16 Erdogan and his dogs (cavusoglu, akar etc.) are barking for war all day long. What are they trying to achieve? Scare Greece? Greece has support from all of EU and USA.
Erdogam is crying to Merkel for France not to bring aircraft carrier. Greece is not Syria, Iraq or Libya. Put that to your brainless head before it's too late.
When Turkey sends drilling ships to Greek and Cypriot waters together with frigates, this shows something. It shows that they are pirating foreign waters, otherwise why would someone need warships to enter his own territory.
@@Giorg189 Dear Giorgi, you are just brainless moron, i am sorry to say that but better learn it soon than ever. You had found a sugar "dady Germany" ten years ago sucked enough from them, and now you have found another one sugar "dady France". Germany just wants to secure their landed money, France wants you to suck a bit more so they can sell you second hand garbage weapons. You should stop listening and watching propaganda on Greek TVs, in fact just recently some of your old politicians started to tell you the truth about going to international court and the most likely consequences. If you think that economical sanctions will stop Turkey defending its right you must be foolish. Neither EU nor USA are backing you, you will be alone again when the real tension starts. I suggest you to demilitarise the Aegean islands, and abide the intl agreements you signed.
The thing with the Greek thesis is islands can act as a mainland to have EEZ only if we are talking about an archipelago country such as Philippines, Indonesia or an island country such as United Kingdom; therefore that's not the case for Greece. Also mainland Greece is further away from Eastern Mediterranean and in the meantime Turkey has the longest coastline to that respective area. Turkey's claims over Mediterranean Sea is legitimate and Greek government's maximalist claims are against the equitable principles of law. They are expecting an enormously larger EEZ for a 7.3 km² island (Kastellorizo) than the whole 755.000 km² Anatolian peninsula, which is with all my good intentions could be called delusional, to say at least. However there's always a solution and that is mutual dialogue without any precondition. Together both countries could earn more than they would loose with a conflict. I hope the necessary will for cooperation will be shown by both parts of the spectrum as this is what majority of people wants.
Is that according to the "Turkish Law of the Sea" which you made up because the United Nations Law of the Sea didn't suit you? Greece and Cyprus respect and follow international law. Turkey does not.
No no read UCLOS. All islands, except rocks that cannot support human life, have the same sea territory and eez as an ordinary land territory.
Turkey has the longest coastline in East Med. (1870 km)
@@ultrasgreen1349 Can you tell me which article it is?
Article 121 of UNCLOS III
I would advise all parties to refrain from talking about painful historic issues which are not directly related to what we are debating now. Old wounds should be left to heal.
The main issues at the moment are the 'Exclusive Economic Zones' & 'Territorial Waters'. Let us focus on those.
The real problem comes from history. Both sides do not back down from their theses. The solution ends in international arbitration.
@@wrenchax
Hear, hear! Thank you for your calm spirit and peaceful attitude 👍
@@zisiskarampaglidis4234 This!
First things first. The Cyprus dispute must be resolved in order for Cyprus and Turkey to agree on their maritime borders. Secondly, the Turkish claims around the country of Cyprus are maximized and cannot be received seriously by any party. The median line solution is what should the two countries agree on. Follow the rules and play fair.
both side wants maximum and using at elections
i believe there are wise people in both countries hope they can make fair deal without third parties needed.
the whole cyprus sea has a right of turkey. turkey will take over all those areas which are controversial now.
A driver hears from the radio:"BREAKING NEWS" a car is moving against traffic on an one way avenue "BE CAREFULL".And the driver of that car full of anger shouts "only one?THERE ARE THOUSENTS YOU IDIOT"(THATS THE TURKISH WAY OF "DRIVING" POLITICS)...
Tell me you got not friends without telling me you got no friends^
Turkey claims 200 miles in Black sea,so it applies the international law even though it didn't vote for it,but doesn't want Greece to expand from 6 to 12 miles in the Aegean sea.From that only anyone can understand who creates conflicts and destabilises the region
They've come to an agreement with all other Black Sea powers. The black sea coast isn't an island, so comparing the two is false.
@@INOTU7 yeah but according to international law,first of all, every island has exclusive economic zone and secondly, the sea between an island and the continental country belongs to the country's self so according to international law Turkey shouldn't have any rights on Aegean sea
@@Ace-ej7zl That's exactly why they haven't signed the UNCLOS. America hasn't either, by the way. Anyway, It's wrong for any finalised agreements to go ahead until the Cyprus issue is solved first, which is the major roadblock. Greek-Cyprus claiming EEZ over the entire island when they voted against unification in 2004 seems unfair. Equally, the Turkish-Libya deal is a farfethched (yet geopolitcally genius) move. Hopefully all parties can resume peaceful dialogue. Also, its amazing how the climate debate is never mentioned here -- maybe the best thing is to leave in under the sea -- preventing conflict and preventing emissions.
@@INOTU7 That's what I am saying. Even though it didn't sign, it applies the law at the Black Sea. Not to mention that violates the airspace laws on a daily basis. In addition, Turkey has also issued navtex near the shores of central Makedonia, so it doesn't matter for Turkish government whether it's near the shore or an island, it just wants illegally to claim as much area as it can.Now, Turkey and Turkish Cypriots don't want Cyprus to become an independent state. All of these are illegal movements
@@INOTU7 ο νόμος είναι ίδιος παντού.
Its for very good resource for turkey
Turkey is absolutely right. I write one by one:
*No one can claim 41000 km2 sea area for the 9km2 island (Kastellorizo-Meis). This tiny island is 2 km away to Turkey and 570 km from the mainland of greece.
*Nobody responds to these illogical maximalist requests (greek nonsense)!
*and no one should try to exclude a giant country of 832 thousand km2 with a population of 85 million in the Mediterranean for absurd reasons. (This country has the largest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean - 1870 km - from Bodrum to Samandag.)
Reasonably fair information
Everything I write is based on mathematics only. Anyone who knows elementary level maths understands what I am saying!
The Eastern Mediterranean has an inverted C-Shaped structure. The coastline distribution of the countries and peoples in this corner is given below:
1) Turkey (from Datca to Samandag): 1800 km,
2) Egypt (from Rafah to Mersa Matruh): 850 km,
3) Island of Cyprus: totally= 600 km [330km (Cypriot Turks) - 270km (Cypriot Greeks)] ,
4) Lebonan: 230 km,
5) Islands belonging to Greece (East Med side): 160 km
6) Israel: 190 km,
7) Syria: 170 km,
8) Palestine: 40 km.
Moreover, Turkey has a huge area with 832 000 km2. 97% of this area is located on the Anatolian side (Eastern Mediterranean side)!
Greek coastline 13,676 km, Turkish coastline 7200 km. Simple mathematics
World kwoes Greek islands not Turkish
12 islands Rented to Italy in 1912 Those islands are ours, we will take them back
Turkish islands not greek
We have islands. Yes, we have islands. Island ... island ... :)
@@yahyakemal900 Grow a pair first..then give it a shot...
I support Turkey .
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Do you think anybody cares?
Even Palestinian Authorities are in and Turkey stays AND WILL stay out 🤣😂😂😂
Who cares?
It’s Turkish zone
International law is on the side of Turkey but Erdogan doesn't want to take this to international court so he can keep increasing tensions and distract his people from ongoing economical crisis. Turkey's thesis is pretty strong. In a small inner sea like Mediterranean and its extension Aegean Sea, islands cannot have their own EEZ as the mainland - at least not by 100%. Greece is a country with the mainland (consists nearly 75% of its mass) with the rest hundreds of habited and thousands of small islands and islets. However, Greek politicians aspire to promote their country as an island nation such as Philippines or Indonesia.
Wait until they find gas on the North Pole, Erdogan will go to war with the seals of Greenland claiming Turkey has the right to drill according to International Law 😂😂
OR Greece will claim some small little rock in the middle of the North Pole and claim the entire North Pole is theirs because of this little rock.
What will NATO and the EU do if Turkey invades Greece and Cyprus is the main question?
@ΒΑΣΙΛΗΣ ΙΩΑΝΝΟΥ If you go to war, you think France will still be with you: d
@ΒΑΣΙΛΗΣ ΙΩΑΝΝΟΥIt is very sad to know that the Greek people will suffer in such games
@ΒΑΣΙΛΗΣ ΙΩΑΝΝΟΥ Let's see what happens, I hope nobody will suffer, I personally do not hold a grudge against the Greek people, but political games are here.
@@laradaniz1687 Just a few nukes will do the job. This is as much help the native peoples of the Mediterranean need to kick out from our homeland and our sea the paradises from Central Asia.
@@thcyprus Το μονο που δεν χρειάζεται η"γυτωνια " μας για ΚΑΝΈΝΑΝ λόγο ,είναι τα πυρηνικά. Φάε τη γλώσσα σου καλλητερα.Υπάρχουν άλλοι τρόποι.
The UN law of the sea gives an EEZ to inhabited islands. Thta's easy to check out. Read the convention, FT! It's your job to provide info.
But when you pay couple of people to live in an island without hospital, shopping center, its something different lmao Greece demands full eez with some these islands, no country would accept it
@@keremozdemir7468 I can understand why you dont get the point. Turks are not sailors. You come from the steppes.
The Lausanne Treaty gave you a couple of islands. Gökçeada (Imbros) and Bozcaada (Ténédos), the . You turned them into prisons.
We, on the other hand have always been sailors. Our entire civilisation is based on navigations and our motherland is the sea.
When you think islands are prisons, we see islands as freedom.
Thats not true. The international law gives Islands economic zone when a country is complety surrounded with sea. Which means, Greece must be surrounded with water like Japan or Indonesia in order to get economic zone for its Islands. Greece is connected to the European continent. So the Continental economic law has to be applied to Greece.
Really?What about Crete with more than half a million people?For this island Turkey also claims no EEZ!
Greeks thinks like islands are bounded with chain. . They see like sea is land. Against Anatolian huge coastline, Greece has no right in that sea. East med. belong Turkey, Egypt, Cyprus and other Levant countries ( Lebanon, Israel).
I want to point out the ICJ decision in favor of Turkey: Ukraine-Romania, Morocco-Spain, UK-France. Thus, Turkey will definitely win! Also, recently Greece-Italy signed an EEZ agreement, so what happened? Let me tell you, the islands have not been fully authorized! funny greeks, greek govt makes me laugh so much :-)
Essentially, everyone tries to impose the hundreds of miles of sea areas between the Greek Islands of Mesa, Rhodes, Kerpe, Kashot and Crete as if there was a land and a snal uninterrupted coastal line from Meis to Crete. It bases all its claims on this virtual shore, the majority of which is the sea. There may be those who are unaware of this nonsense and unfortunately think as if Greece has long coasts in the Eastern Mediterranean.
However, the International Law of the Sea states that "Straight Baseline" can be drawn for states with a coastline only on the condition that the coastal topography complies with the principles of Article 7 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Moreover, apart from the "Normal Baseline" and "Straight Baseline" drawings, as a special condition, UNCLOS article 47 includes the methods for determining the "Archipelago Baseline", but this special method includes the "Archipelago State" in UNCLOS article 46 (State of the Islands/Archipelago). It is clear that Greece cannot benefit from the special provisions in Article 47 of the UNCLOS since it is not an Islands State or an Archipelago State. Because Greece is a mainland state, not a state like Indonesia that consists only of islands. Moreover, the faces of the Greek islands facing the Eastern Mediterranean have a total coastline of 167 kilometers and it is illegal to request a maritime jurisdiction against the Anatolian coast of 1870 kilometers. Also, islands less than 200 miles from the mainland do not produce an EEZ, in other words they are included in the EEZ area of the mainland, they cannot form an EEZ on it. As a result, Greece's Crete and Rhodes islands in creating the boundary waters by drawing straight main line to the sea ignore the existence and determine this from even the Ministry of Education in terms of Turkey's maritime rights and interests as never acceptable, is contrary to international maritime law and a violation of law. (Dr. Yayci)
Why can't everyone just put their pipelines and call it a day?
If it were that easy. I believe Turkey does not wish for any competition in regards to supplying Europe with gas. Currently, some pipelines are passing through their territory from Russia and Azerbaijan. So I guess they either want to cancel this pipeline completely, or to gain the EEZ so that they would be paid a transit tax.
Greek waters
TURKİSH WATERS!
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If so, according to which document and treaty? Don't talk idly!
Yes Greeks swim in those waters
According to UNCLOS my friend.
As the meritame low refers, The both countries have to agree on the Islands sea boarders instead of claiming the full time sea boarder from the Islands and closing Turkey's access to Mediterranean sea which is the biggest sea cost owner to the sea. In my opinion, there has to be a common EEZ arround islands by providing the trust and security between sides. In the topic of Cyprus, as the position of turkish minority in the island voted for reunification there and the Cyrpus Republic voted for unresolution, no one can force cypriots for peace. Turkish Cypriots are not going to be disappeard from the Islands. Also, It wasn't legal the intention of killing Turkish minority there by ignoring their rights over Cyprus status. The worst against Turkish agression would be go forwards peace in the islands in fever of a common benefit of cypriots instead of discriminating Turkish minority.
Greek coastline 13600 km,turkish coastline 7200km.What about Crete?It's the fifth larger island in Mediterranean and not opposite to turkish coast but Turkey claims it shouldn't have EEZ...
@@user-ob5pm2xp3r the unsustainable claims are not realistic referring to the power balance and international relations. Instead, Greece has to work over increasing their own people' life standarts such as social security, hospitals, public transports or economy as much as Turkey has to focus on. The region can not be drown and separated. The region is enough neglected geographically. In my opinion better to announce an open shared common zone for a possible sustainable peace for Mediterranean region.
Putin wants to know your location.
Putin is Erdogan best friend
Any more biased?
This is how facts are shaped
Turkey: Hello Greece!
Greece: Dad dad (usa, french, israel, russia, eu) Turkey insulting me pls say something.
Hows your mama Merkel?
@@hoplite101able fat
Is that how Turkey says "Hello!"? By sending its armada to the Greek EEZ and by flying armed fighter jets directly above the Greek islands?
@@zisiskarampaglidis4234 that u saying but reality ?
@@Erkn.yz16 Reality is turkey threatening war and not accepting internationa law. Is erdogan promoting different reality? Sounds absured
Turkey is conducting diplomacy very justified
@balgard 429 Nobody wants to fight if it's not the last resort
The part that wants war is the greek side. Because, micron wants to sell weapons to the greek govt. Also, there are greek military brigades on the islands of Chios and Lesbos. This situation is against the Lausanne Treaty! The greek side exploited (distorted) the treaties, the sovereignty transfer conditions in the Treaties of 1923-Lausanne (ARTICLE 13) and 1947-Paris (ARTICLE 14) disappeared! This situation is against the DEMILITARISED status!!!
More analysis is needed especially with respect to maritime laws and convention. Turkey has the largest coastline in the region that is part of the continental shelf that extends to meet the countries on the North Africa coast line. Any islands in between by convention do not have a claim that can substantially override the mainland's claim. Turkeys southern coastline extends to the whole of the eastern Mediterranean sea and Turkeys population is over 80 million. Lets have some impartiality and some proper analysis please.
Let me sum up Turkish/Cyprus/Greek arguments for this
Turks
-ataturk gave us the coast therefore it belongs to us
Cyprus
-Turkey please stop claiming in our island
Greeks
-we created math therefore this coast belongs to us Greeks and Turks steal everything
All it needs is for turkey to invade cyprus n problems solved 🤣🤣
Where did you get that certainty? Anadolu Agency, Yeni Safak or Daily Sabah and other titans of free press? and if it so straightforward as you say, why Turkey refuses to sign the 1982 UN law of the sea or why Turkey has not agreed in signing an agreement with Greece that if they do not find a solution in bilateral talks they will both accept a Hague ruling?
Greece coastline: 13,676km
Turkey coastline: 8,333km
Who has the largest coastline in the region you said?
@phd bmw Turkey can sign the international agreement of territorial waters, as we did, and claim what is really yours. But your government doesn't, because you claim more than what is legally yours and you know it.
Welcome Turkey log live to Erodugan
How come greec claims all this area. Look at the map. Look to what agreed between France and the UK about Jersey and Guernsey and also many other cases.
According to the Int. Court of Jus., there are some decisions: Romania-Ukraine, France-UK and Morocco-Spain. All of these decisions are in favor of Turkey. Turkey is completely right.
World low against turkey. .. grace under irland not give 200 nu.miles any countries land area 200 nu.mils give up not any irland
YOU MEAN ISLAND YES?
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İf greece trust their arguments and claims, they would accept the negotiations that Germany and Nato try both sides to come together. Turkey always said that we are ready to negotiate any claim that greece uphold
Shut up there’s no negotiation Greece will remain Greece and will have the their rights respectively.!!
Aris Georgopoulos 😉💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Greeks have rights, as long they follow instructions and obey,What else can they do beside produce cheese and olive oil,It will be them first getting smashed if war breaks out !!
Umit Altay Says someone who’s whole tradition and country is stolen from Greece😉
@@umitaltay465 You might want to obey, Greeks don't like that though. So, keep your head low and let the grown-ups talk!
Its not a dash for Gas. Maybe for France or Germany. Its a dash for territory
Coastline : Canada #1 202,080 km , Greece #11 13,676 km , Turkey #18 7,200km en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_length_of_coastline
Turkey's Mussolini just try to dominate the Mediterranean,,
@Quincy The Great Greek economy to the top
ha :d
You are also peace-loving angels?
@@user-qz4go8pf8l Very good comment, and wait till sanctions kick in!
@@wrenchax you are country famous for its genocides and overpassing human rights , inprisoning journalist and promoting propaganda , occupying others peoples lands such as cyprus , syria and kurdistan , You are a f*cking joke you now that right
@@SupremeLeaderyt It is quite normal for journalists who support terrorists to be jailed. I guess they are walking around in your country waving their hand. Kurds are our brothers. Two of our Presidents are of Kurdish origin. There are more than 100 deputies of Kurdish origin in the parliament. There are many Kurds in military diplomacy. The necessary lessons were given to the supporters of EOKA and ENOSIS in Cyprus. This is enough for you. I return your swearing exactly.
The world changes in Turkey.
It looks like turkey is land locked on the map , so i can understand why there upset .
baits Being upset is their normal mood.
astro boy There is no such thing as hittite genotype. That's gross propaganda. You need a 1 dugit IQ to buy such crap.
@astro boy So why home DNA based testing kits are banned in Turkey? Why until 2008, denigrating Turkishness was punishable by up to two years in prison and the law has now been changed to replace the word Turkishness with “the Turkish nation"?
Tsifty well said
Turkey is right
...and Greece is left when you look on a map
Additionally, those who do not have information and documents should not comment!
There are greek military brigades on the islands of Chios and Lesbos. This situation is against the Lausanne Treaty! The greek side exploited (distorted) the treaties, the sovereignty transfer conditions in the Treaties of 1923-Lausanne (ARTICLE 13) and 1947-Paris (ARTICLE 14) disappeared! This situation is against the DEMILITARISED status!!!
Turkey is definitely right and comfortable.
*No one can claim 41000 km2 sea area for the 9km2 island (Kastellorizo-Meis). This tiny island is 2 km away to Turkey and 570 km from the mainland of greece.
*Nobody responds to these illogical maximalist requests (greek nonsense)!
*and no one should try to exclude a giant country of 832 thousand km2 with a population of 85 million in the Mediterranean for absurd reasons. (This country has the largest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean - 1870 km)
The last problem is related to gas.
The territorial waters in the Aegean Sea, the islands, the borders of the territorial waters in the eastern Mediterranean, the Cyprus island problem, etc., have not been solved for years and have been postponed to these days, and the fact that Greece does not want to participate in the negotiations has caused the problems to grow. In addition to these, the possibility of gas reserves in the eastern Mediterranean made the situation even more critical.
Turkey has a huge land coast and it is tried to be beaten by one tiny (even you can’t see on map at the video) Greek island called Meis in Mediterranean Sea . This is just stupid.
There is no Greek island called Meis.
ανεμοδαρμένο γατί whatever you call. At the end of the day, It is small like your brain.
John Rambo ok.
Let's face it even if we come into an agreement about Kastelorizo's EEZ you will not stop with your disputes over our waters.
@@akyuvar8121 An elephant has a much bigger brain than human, unfortunately there not many elephants left
Greece is not a eastmed country.
Turkey has longest coastline with 12 nautical miles continental shelf and 200 nautical miles EEZ zone so your alleged eastmed pipeline is pipe-dream also consudeting UN approved Turkey Lybya maritime agreement.
wrong !!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_length_of_coastline
The point is not what Turkey believes (imagines) about the Sea borders... because Turkey does not recognize the International Law of Sea..
The main point is where are the borders according to International Law of Sea..
Turkey and Greece.. lets go to International Court of Hague.. to solve it..
Sure but Greece said that they just negotiate the continental shelf between Turkey and Greece! Micotakis said that! Because they now they will lose if they negotiate about EZZ in Ostmed.sea!
If Turkey stops threatening to invade the greek territory, then Greece will stop militarize as they have the right to defend themselves by the Treaties in case of threat, invasion and potential war. In 1964 Turkey threatened to invade Cyprus and they did. How do you except they will wait for you to do the same? Read the Treaties again, history could be good for you 🇺🇸 🇫🇷🇬🇧🇮🇱🇬🇷 🇪🇸🇮🇹 🇮🇳 🇪🇬
Don't trust other countries and remember the megali katastrofia and the Cyprus War. Turkiye is more important country than greece for these countries. A small islet Kastellorizo (like a dot in the mediterranean sea) can not give the entire eastern mediterranean to greece. it is unfair
Long live Turkey! ❤
This dialog below with a Turk explains exactly why Greece is right and Turkey is wrong. Thank you very much Mr Khalid Ibn Alwaleed for your honest reply. He explains why Turkey is wrong in the best way. Please enjoy the exchange by clicking Read More.
Dimi Dimi
2 days ago (edited)
To be clear according to turkish "logic" the Falklands have no economic zones and is fair to belong to Argentina because are far away from UK. If turkey believes that intenational law is on its side why has not signed the law of the sea that 99% of countries accept?
Sergei Formosa 1 day ago
According to Greek logic, a tiny island of 8km2, 2km off Turkish coast gives Greece an area of a small country in wich Turkey is imprisoned to it's own shores. Also according to this logic the huge Turkish mainland is less important than a tiny island.
Dimi Dimi
1 day ago
@Sergei Formosa The same applies also in case of Qatar and Iran. Qatar needs to share its wealth with Iran as it is bigger right?
Khalid Ibn Alwaleed
1 hour ago
@Dimi Dimi it depends where the Qatari gas is. if its closer to iran then iran can claim it, but if its close to Qatar (which isn't even island) then it belongs to Qatar. same with greek islands they cannot lay claim on sea 1000X times bigger then the islands themselves otherwise Greek can claim the whole Mediterranean sea until Morocco.
Dimi Dimi
21 minutes ago
@Khalid Ibn Alwaleed Excellent answer because this is what the international law says and I hope all the turks agree with you. The area that Greece claims is closer to Greece hence even if the area is 10000000x bigger than the Greek island as you agreed, the island is still closer to that area hence the area is Greek. thank you very much for accepting that the area is Greek
Khalid Ibn Alwaleed
14 hours ago
@Dimi Dimi a rock can not claim same amount as country because they sea is full of rocks and island that were occupied by western countries during colonnisation. you have to take acount of proportion of the rock or island. you can't allocate right over a large area in the sea that is 1000 times bigger then the rock, otherwise an island like Britain can claim the whole Atlantic ocean. for example Spain ocupies rocks and small islands that are 10 meters from the Moroccan coast, if we follow your logic Spain can also deny Morocco complete access to medtranian sea
Dimi Dimi
1 second ago
@Khalid Ibn Alwaleed Again excellent point, another like. international law of the sea says that rocks cannot claim any economic areas but here we are talking about islands and islands can claim economic areas as far as the economic area is closer to them and this is exactly what Greece is doing. Regarding Britain and Spain's islands they claim an economic area that is closer to them and that is what other countries accept and what Greece accepts only Turkey does not accept that. Thank you very much my friend now get out of the Greek economic area.
There are lots of legal precedent in Turkey's favour regarding EEZ. One such example is that of the UK Channel islands - they are very close to the French coast yet these islands are only allowed territorial waters and have no EEZ. Based on existing legal precedent Greece's claims are clearly maximalist and contrary to international law which are based on fair equity.
Then Turkey should accept the ICJ jurisdiction on the dispute and resolve it according to international law.
@@zix_zix_zix "Never arbitrate. Arbitration allows a third party to determine your destiny. It is a resort of the weak." - Atilla The Hun.
this video is missing some details .. What about Meis island ! Turkey claim that field too!
Greece claims that its territorial water border start from Meis and they add EEZ over it and claim awhole 40.000 km2 field as theirs.
Wtf island Meis is???
Use name correctly stupid
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@@Erkn.yz16 A) The Eastern Mediterranean has an inverted C-Shaped structure. The coastline distribution of the countries and peoples in this corner is given below:
1- Turkey (from Datca to Samandag): 1800 km,
2- Egypt (from Rafah to Mersa Matruh): 850 km,
3- Island of Cyprus: totally= 600 km [330km (Cypriot Turks) - 270km (Cypriot Greeks)] ,
4- Lebonan: 230 km,
5- Israel: 190 km,
6- Syria: 170 km,
7- Islands belonging to Greece (East Med side of these islands: a-Rhodes 87 km, b-Kashot 20 km, c-Karpathos 15 km, d-Crete 30 km and e-Kastellerizo 8 km): 160 km,
8- Palestine: 40 km.
Moreover, Turkey has a huge area with 832 000 km2. 97% of this area is located on the Anatolian side (Eastern Mediterranean side)!,
B) Turkey remains loyal to the Lausanne Treaty unlike Greece. ARTICLE 13 of the Treaty of Lausanne and ARTICLE 14 of the Paris Treaty are very clear: Military troops etc. will not be established (DEMILITARISED) in the islands! (Limnos-Lesbos-Chios and etc.) Especially, I mentioned these three islands,
C) Additionally, everything in UNCLOS can not be imposed. Illegal unilateral decisions cannot be taken without negotiation (as the Greek government did). The Baltic Sea can be given as an example of the Aegean Sea. Finland now has 3 miles of territorial waters by treaty. The passage of the Baltic Sea is 15 km on average, the passage of the Aegean Sea is 18 km on average. There are even more obstacles (islands and islets) in the Aegean Sea compared to the Baltic Sea.
CONCLUSIONS: Turkey is absolutely right. I write one by one:
*No one can claim 41000 km2 sea area for the 9km2 island (Kastellorizo-Meis). This tiny island is 2 km away to Turkey and 570 km from the mainland of greece.
*Nobody responds to these illogical maximalist requests (greek nonsense)!
*and no one should try to exclude a giant country of 832 thousand km2 with a population of 85 million in the Mediterranean for absurd reasons.
@@jamescameroon9051 Kastellorizo
Cyprus feels like a prison island, with waters on both side of it claimed by Greece and Turkey.
According to my research, the international law says following: Eighter you have to make an Agreement or a third country must play as a Referee to establish an Agreement.
Neighter of this two solutions are applied in this conflict. The EU is trying to force Turkey with sanctions to accept Cyprus Economy Zone. But Eighter Turkey recognizes Cyprus nor Cyprus recognizes the turkish part of Cyprus.
The Gas conflict can't be solved without solving the Cyprus conflict. The Turks claim that extending the economic zone is against the treaty of Lousanne and the treaty of Bosphorus.
Greek coastline length: 13,676 kms (all in the Med Sea), ranked 11th globally; Turkish coastline length: 7,200 kms (including extensive Black Sea coast), ranked 18th
subtract all the aegean please, not all Med sea! here is the link for more info, ec.europa.eu/maritimeaffairs/sites/maritimeaffairs/files/docs/body/greece_climate_change_en.pdf
@@XXDJOZXX the Aegean is not in the Med Sea? LOL
What about East Med. ? Turkey has the longest coastline in East Med. (1870 km)
@@seckinfiliz8682 can you please tell me where east med coast starts and ends for your calculation? Where do you place Greek coastline if not in east Med? Central Med? Lol
@@alexisgateley230 The Eastern Mediterranean has an inverted C-Shaped structure. The coastline distribution of the countries and peoples in this corner is given below:
1) Turkey (from Datca to Samandag): 1800 km,
2) Egypt (from Rafah to Mersa Matruh): 850 km,
3) Island of Cyprus: totally= 600 km [330km (Cypriot Turks) - 270km (Cypriot Greeks)] ,
4) Lebonan: 230 km,
5) Islands belonging to Greece (East Med side): 160 km
6) Israel: 190 km,
7) Syria: 170 km,
8) Palestine: 40 km.
Biased vid. Northern Cyprus doesn't claim gas in south of Cyprus. It does however state that the whole population of the island should benefit from the resources all over the island, since EU itself sees the island as one entity, and Turkey doesn't promote it to get it recognized even by closest allies.
Greece will have to realize that the Aegean and Mediterranean Sea are not Greek inland waters. Turkey is by far the largest riparian in the Aegean and Mediterranean. Nevertheless, Greece claims that Turkey has no right to an economic area there.
At some point they forbid Turkish fishermen to leave the Turkish port because they are allegedly in Greek waters.
If the EU and all Greek supporters do not see this irrationality, then everyone will have to watch Greece face its next big catastrophe
experienced. It was long overdue for the Turks to create a clear picture there.
you cant just claim the waters surrounding an island . As you say you made us swim back in the turkish war of independence . So get out of our sea and stay in your place.
@@SupremeLeaderyt That is also regulated. Mainland (Turkey) counts more than a small island (Meis). Except the island is an island state. But Greece is not an island nation. Turkey does not need to go to court. The problem can only be solved bileterally. But Greece prefers to hide behind the EU and NATO. Perhaps Greece should consider why France is maneuvering Greece into an unnecessary war.
@ Maybe it's so much more fun.
There is a huge potential for economic growth for those poor countries and yet nothing happens because the Turkish politicians keep violating international laws and are not willing to find solutions on their problems with their neighbors on an international court. Seeing the complete fate and history of countries changing by finding important natural resources really makes me think of how life in Greece would be if something like this were to happen here too.. Also this tension is keeping the life of those countries' people miserable because billions of their tax money is spent on military equipment. Money that could have been turned into education, healthcare, transportation investments..
Those weapons are our investment into our negotiation powers needed to be used in sharing the gas resources in those seas. Those resources seems to be far more important than peace.
You see Turkish politicians from Greek media. I see Greece from Turkish premise. You must admit that you are not a good neighbour, supporting terrorism, violating Turkish airspace, militarize the islands, purchase weapon against Turks.I am perfectly comfortable, and don't feel tiny bit of unfairnes toward Greece regarding 12 mile issue. I don't have trust to Greece.
International court may work, but i am not hopefull as you are that we may have result, our dispue is about natural resorces. Otherwise we get along well in normal conditions.
Our countries are doomed to mistrust each others, which is not meant to imply personal mistrust. And things will get worsen few years later when we drill more resorces.
Respects.
@@tolgaoztemur I am aware of most of the issues you mentioned.
The thing about the airspace is that Greece's airspace does not follow its sea border but goes further outwards. It is a quite rare situation for a country to have this kind of borders. So Turkey does not accept this and says that Greece's sea and air border end at the same place. That's why for your country's perspective, Greece is violating Turkish airspace while for my country Greece only operates within its borders and the Turkish airplanes are the ones that are doing the violations. On the militarization of the islands part, the Turkish claim has some ground but things here are really complicated. The treaty that is talking about this, does not allow the existence of naval bases on the islands but does not forbid the presence of military personnel and equipment. What it actually says is that the militarization of those islands should not be greater of that of your average Greek mainland area. This is a highly controversial and blurry claim and everyone can interpret it the way they want.
On the purchasing weapons against the Turks part, I think that there is not any offensive motivation behind this. Greece, at least for what the politicians are saying, is buying weapons to have a decent defensive capability against a Turkish act of aggression. The Turkish military is far larger than that of Greece's, so they must keep some balances through the equipment.
I don't quite get the supporting terrorism part. You should get more specific on this one.
International court at this point I think is the only real solution for both sides. This might be a way of ending this everlasting issue and stoping all the aggression that is costing both countries millions of Euros/Lyras and preventing them from establishing much needed cooperations.
As far as I am concerned, both of us are not politicians and do not have a real saying in all of this. So what we can do from our part is to stop the aggression and show to our leaders that they will not gain political power by fighting the "evil" neighbor.
Thank you for your time!
One thing that European Union needs to understand is that Turkey is determined to resolutely to defend its territorial waters from anyone that dare attempt to encroach on it even if it means total war
Ishumaeru Kharorda
There is one thing Turkey needs to understand is that there are some countries in EU that are determined to stop Turkish expansionism even if it means tota war !!
They will do so at their own peril
LOL! Hold you horses! Nobody threatens Turkish territorial waters - this dispute concerns the right to exploit resources in international waters.
@luxury ice
Instead turkey is very reliable ally of ISIS and terrorist .
When Greece militarizes islands close to Turkey's mainland, doesn't it pose a security threat? Meis Island lies roughly 1.3 km(2 miles) off the south of Turkey and it is militarized by Greece. Greece does not end its violation.
Greece's militarization of Keci (Pserimos) island, eight kilometers (five miles) southwest of the Bodrum peninsula, and its deployment of soldiers there.
In the Dodecanese islands group in the Aegean Sea, there are also some rocky areas, islets, and islands with yet-undetermined status. Keci (pserimos) island, is the closest island to the Turgutreis neighborhood of Türkiye's southwestern Bodrum resort city.
Sakiz(Chios) island, is situated in the northern Aegean Sea. The island is separated from Turkey by the Chios Strait, 5 miles (8 km) off the western coast of Turkey in the Aegean Sea, North Aegean. January 18, 2018
Some Greek DEFENSIVE military is a threat to the huge Turkish OFFENSIVE Aegean Arny of 130.000 men?
Are you nuts??????????????????
Do you even believe that??????????????????
If so, then we the Greeks must be the best fighters on the planet and you the Turks, must be just a joke!
Both cannot be true.
So, you must decide what is true…
We are a threat, or you are crap?
PS) Read the treaties. NOWHERE is mentioned that these islands are not allowed to have military. What is mentioned is that these islands cannot have naval bases, and therefore we have no naval base on them! STOP Turkish propaganda! Everybody is laughing at you …
Turkey acts compliant with international law. Sorry, all other discussions are daily speculations and politics.
Wrong!
"Turkey" and "Internation Law" is an oxymoron ...moron...
So is the occupation of northern cyprus also compliant with international law?
Let's not kid ourselves. Current UNCLOS is very well in favour of Greece. This is why Turkey never wanted to sign an EEZ agreement. Turkish gas exploration ships have been roaming in Mediterranean for years without violating international law. Every country has their own national interests - take Norway as an example. They chose not to join EU for their fishing rights because EU Fishery Policy wasn't in their favor.
Not one inch to the Turks, hopefully Europe can divide Turkey when their destruction will take place. Russia the northern side of Turkey, Greece the coast line, France the lower closer to Lebanon and US their bases , hmmm. Looking fwd to this
😂😂😂😂👏👏👏 in your dream. We have been fighting with EU for thousands of years
Give this man a brain
Fearless Tv excellent and you will for another 1000. No way you ever get in to Europe. PS , great economy there dreamer, Moody’s must be a dreamer and no brain also. Lol keep growing hair boys, keep trying, nobody takes you joker serious anymore...
Good luck bud. Keep dreaming.
I know of 10 million 18 year olds that will walk to Atina and conquer it in one afternoon.
Hungry dog dreams of bones !
Haha watch Turkey on the map. 😂
Idk who drew this map, but this is really ridiculous.
Justice to 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
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what a interesting voice talking fairy tail. so you saying that, world should ignore the Turkey natural gas demands around their and Cyprus costs, is that what you saying? I am laughing at you & same time feel miserable on you that how come there still people existing with such a mindset. So, you confirm that you protecting massacre of ethnic Turkish minorities by Greece radicals in 1974 by saying occupation of Turkish army. Do you really think that if they could have leave in piece then Turks would have been interfering to the island?
TURKEY❤🇹🇷💪
Yes turk essen 🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷
Its not about the Gas, its about the show off and then Arm sales to Greeks from France.
Ignore them turkey, just go..israel also claim the land of palestine. 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇲🇾🇲🇾
Turkey has 1800 km coastline in the eastern mediterranean while greece is not even located in the eastern mediterranean. Thus, greece can not have any claims to anything in the eastern mediterranean; it all belongs to Turkey.
You do well to keep your anonymity, as all coward do.......
Turkey has the longest coastline in East Med. (1870 km)
Turkey interprets the International Law according to what's best for her intetests. That's not right!!!
America isn't a signatory to the UNCLOS, they left that out.
Cyprus use to be a one island . It is the ethnic Greeks with the support of the main land who started a war against their Turkish neighbors in the island .
Turkey too Greece.. pls give me olso... 😂😂😂😂😂
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there is no North Cyprus country...so stupid of you to say that there is a country named North Cyprus...is this the FT or a low budget newspaper?
turkey owner
Greece is not a Eastern Med. sea country. Greece borders stop at the Eagean Sea. They are western med. sea country. so they have absolutely zero say in this
The south and south/east coasts of the Greek islands of Crete, Karpathos, Rhodes and Kastelorizo all face the Eastern Mediterranean *DIRECTLY* . Simple geography...
@@zisiskarampaglidis4234 No they are eagean islands
THE TURKS HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS!!!
CHINA IS GIVING TURKEY LOTS AND LOTS SLEAZY IDEAS OF LAND GRAB VIA INTIMIDATION AND OPPRESSION.
TURKEY HAS TO BE KICKED OUT OF (NATO) YESTERDAY!!!
AL QAEDA & ISIS ISIL JIHADISTS = TURKEY TURKMENISTAN & QATAR.
WE HAVE THE FULL GROUPS OF TERRORISM INSIGHT OUR (NATO)........ WHAT"S NEXT?????????
calm down my friend :)
Is there any other country in the world claiming 40,000 square kilometers of maritime jurisdiction area for just a 10-square-kilometer island? Is there any other country that claims 10 miles airspace while its territorial waters are six miles?”
look at the scattered islands
Why was Kastelorizo not mention here ? Because that islands EEZ doesn't align with recent ICU and international courts decisions and makes Greece claims maximalistic. Obviously Turkey's claim that islands don't have EEZ is ridiculous but so are Greece claims regarding Kastelorizo. Both sides should negotiate and bring a fair and just solution.
And non of them will take nothing .
EU,USA RUSSIA will take All
What you are saying would only exclude Turkey, Greece has been in the EU for almost 40 years!
@Nazda Azadov Of course Russia will take a good share are you a dog or traitor
@Nazda Azadov Yes, you are correct, Greece indeed gave up a debt to Germany but TMK withdrew from the WW2 reparations in order to allow Germany to stand up on its feet again.
@Nazda Azadov If you not ashamed of your country you from ???
Sorry dude Nothing for Russia here. LOL.
What's for dinner??
Μιλο Μιχαήλ Greek Salad
@@amongus9146 Goes well with stuffed Turkey
This mapping shows very clear that Turkey has a rights to explore in the the particular sea.
In what univers islands have continental shelf claim they can only have economic zone with 12 mile. Greece claims is absurd, 10 year old child can laugh that. Turkia is not Arab country. You can take Arabs oils and gases. NOT FROM TURKS. If you wanna proof looked at France-England dispute and what the international court decided. All previous international court results proven the rightcious of Turkias continental shelf rights
In the universe where the UN (which represent the rest of humanity) makes law ✌
@@georgeloy If you looked at that law continental shelf start continent. Not the far away island. Which Greece always overlooked that laws when its not go with the ire desires.
you ,a country famous for its genocides and overpassing human rights , inprisoning journalist and promoting propaganda , occupying others peoples lands such as cyprus , syria and kurdistan , will talk about whats fair and whats not????? You are a f*cking joke you now that right
@@SupremeLeaderyt In which international law gives 400000 squere mile continental shelf for 10 km2 island who distance to Turkia 2 km. Distance to Greece 580 km. Show me which Internationally cases supports Greek claims. NONE OF THEM. But don't worry we learn international law from USA. Which last 40 year they are govern Turkia. Now Turkia is free. And realize if you want to protect what you have you have to militarily and economicly strong. If not Syria,Libya,Iraq,Afghanistan very close examples to us. Turkia will not give anything to you guys. Not until spell us last drop of our bloods.
this greece funny I hope they don't get any more stupid or turkey can get their hands islands
First of all.....EVERYONE CHILL OUT.
Nobody will go to war with another one.
I’m Turkish, and I say this with both perspectives. Turkey has every right in this situation. HOWEVER, Turkey’s mistake is having bad relations with everyone. This prevents solving problems with diplomacy.
Now if we talk about war, it’s not going to happen. Turkey can destroy Greece, but will get a very significant damage because of how isolated it is now.
With all due respect turkey is in the wrong. . Turkey sees things the way its suits her. The law says islands do have an eez , 195 countries have signed on it but turkey somehow knows better?. But turkeys view indonessia, phillipines, uk, falklands, malaysia , maldives do not have an ezz.
Turkey used the U.N international laws of the sea to fix its eez with russia, the very same law it denies in the mediteranean, why? Is it because russia can bury turkey within 15 minutes if it tried the same tactics it uses on greece and cyprus?
Seems to me turks are simply not happy at god for not putting oil in their territory and are jealous at others.
@@eliassolomou5503 no, it's because Russia don't have islands right next to us and claim the whole area is their waters. You are not reasonable. You really think that tiny island cut all Turkish access to the sea. There is no precedent of that. Look at Spain and Morocco examples
@@MrCommandert10 , so tell then, turkey says islands and cyprus do not have an eez. Why then did turkey sign an eez with trnc?
Why dies turkish occupied northern cyprus have an eez and not the cyprus republic?
Did greece place those islands where they are?, did greece write international law and the laws of the sea?
The greek eez dose not block turkeys movements as thats free passage, the eez that turkey demands is to exploit the resources that are in greek areas. Two very different things.
Turkey can "destroy" Greece. That's a really bold claim! If it could, it would've done so already like it did in Syria and in Libya. Get off your high horse before it is too late and we all learn (the hard way) how destructive and how unpredictable a war can be between two military-capable countries. Turks often seem to think that they'll do the firing and Greece will just sit there and take it... Absurd. Greece can and will defend itself if Turkey pushes it.
And no, Turkey does NOT have "every right" in this situation. Turkey claims that islands have no EEZ at ALL which is not only against International law, it is also unreasonable. The Turko-Libyan agreement suggests even Crete has no EEZ, a large island where half a million Greeks live. Greece, on the other hand, is forced to claim that islands have full EEZ which is also unreasonable. However, the deals Greece signed with Egypt and Italy clearly show the country's intention to accept a REDUCED influence for islands (depending on their size and population). If Turkey was actually willing to discuss, a similar deal would be done. And if Turkey was right, it would obviously agree to take this dispute to the International Court of Justice. Which would, undoubtedly force Greece and Turkey to share the EEZ on the region thereby invalidating BOTH counties' existing claims.
@@eliassolomou5503 in response to Greece. I think a fair compromise could be both countries sign an agreement of fair share of aegen resources and Mediterranean resources.
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In this situation Turkey should alliance with Germany,Russia,China,iran,and Pakistan.Greece is illegally occupied Greece Cyprut. EU support Gecce it is also illegal.So turkey should capture the southern Cyprus.
I love Turkey and Russia
Did you mean you love goats and donkeys ???
International law also democratic law, a law created by the western country to fulfill their interest & the law maker of it, also wants to apply in Muslim country or Arab country in order to have access n control the Arab country,
This exactly what happen,in Iraq ,Syria ,Libya mostly in Palestine ,these are the country not benefiting from international laws , as I said international law created for their own benefit n interest & Muslim country no benefit.
This is the reason why turkey not signing the EEZ agreement, turkey knows very well international law just in favour to Greece benefit n their own benefit which is turkey could not.
If turkey was signing the EEZ then turkey was totally loosing his right at all but turkey really genius not signing the EEZ to maintain is right from EEZ at the same time their right not covered by the international law since turkey not signing the EEZ agreement, that is why turkeys ship oruc Reis ,fatih still searching the oil from disputing sea for how many years until now.
Again international law just for their own interest n benefit, just to control the Muslim country, look what happen to,Saudi,Egypt,u.a.e Jordan n some Arab country already controlled by the western n EU become the puppet. Unfortunately western n EU disappointed to IRAN since Iran standing to protect their country n knows very well the western n EU tactics.