The 2024 Volkswagen ID.4 Pro S Is A More Buzz Worthy Electric SUV For The People
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- čas přidán 26. 02. 2024
- After nearly 4 years on the market, VW’s first-ever dedicated EV gets some big upgrades in the form of new electric motors and much improved tech. The 2024 #VolkswagenID4 should become more appealing as the updated #ID4 gets a big power boost with up to 81 additional HP and on the #ID4Pro4S with RWD nearly 300 miles of range. Expect the updated #VWID4 to show up at US dealers in early March.
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I really think the hate for this vehicle is overdone by people who do not own it. I love my 2023 Pro S.
I've had a 21 RWD, then a 23 AWD. I still miss the turning circle on the RWD because it is almost unbelievably small. Now that the RWD has a massive power upgrade all the way up to 280 hp AND 290 miles of range, it really is the best choice to get. Plus it is cheaper than the AWD too.
I'd agree. We love our 2023 AWD as well. The only thing it's missing is battery preconditioning. We live in a cold climate and were expecting VW to add conditioning based on what they were saying a year ago but that verbiage has disappeared and now it looks like our cars will not be getting any significant software updates. @@tren133
Its more hate towards the looks and the the dash lay out I think.
@@thrash123fulThe dash is the single ugliest piece of shit I’ve ever seen in a car. How can they put such a nice digital dash in the Tiguan, the Taos, and the atlas, but drop this garbage for their EV heavy hitter? It’s looks like something Toyota or Honda would’ve done back in the mid 2010s when they were big in their stupidly basic or ugly dashboards and infotainment systems.
The hate for Tesla is also overdone by mostly people that don’t own one. People love to hate Tesla
We got an ID.4 and absolutely love it, it’s a great car, does basically everything well, the comfort is one of my favorite parts, it’s a very comfy car. The touch controls are also not nearly as big as an issue as people on the internet make it out to be, you get used to them almost immediately.
I never felt the 201hp was slow, not fast but not that lacking, but the power bump for 2024 is nice along with the other changes! Makes a great car even better!
I wonder how big the bonus was for the guy who saved the money for 2 rear window switches. These are simple things in a car that should remain simple.
That was just petty of VW. Can't imagine what they were thinking. Maybe some executive cost cutting mandate.
I wonder how much they saved by putting drum brakes on the rear.
I have used rear door windows maybe 10 times during last 10 years. First world problems.
@@bryanbell3362 drum brakes make perfect sense on an EV as they decrease rolling resistance and won't have corrosion issues that disc brakes will have on an EV that doesn't get used...
@@bryanbell3362 Its to save the driver money, on an EV, a lot less likely to be used as most of the braking will be regenerative on the back axle.
Just bought a 23 ID.4 Pro S AWD with 949 miles on it and it was a great deal! Less than $30,000 although it does have a Branded/Lemon Title. Of course did my homework calling VW (not dealer) to ask what exactly was wrong and they told me it was a door unlocking. They also told me the car had full factory warranty on it. Also took it to a VW Dealer who performed a complete inspection of the vehicle and found absolutely nothing wrong. We've since put an additional 900 city/highway miles on it and had zero problems. It's a great car and I love driving it!
The increase in horsepower is excellent. That they kept the bad controls on the steering wheel and doors is tragic. Needs some knobs too. VW didn’t change enough.
Don’t know why they haven’t phased that out when it’s out for the Tiguan
It isn’t nearly as bad as people on the internet act like it is.
Read the comment from the actual owner.
I have the GTI. I’m a 60 year old female. The haptic buttons are great. They’re multifunctional, making life easier, not harder.
The interface is simple, intuitive & easy to use.
AWD is not only for traction in all weather, but the regen is more stable in slippery conditions than the RWD, those LED lights are truly awesome in the Pro S according to Bjorn Nyland
Thanks for the review. Your presentation was very refined. We own the 2023 VW ID.4 Pro S model and just reach the one year mark and still love it. I'm a first time viewer and I have subscribed. Again, thanks, and God bless,
I don’t think he appreciates your blessings…..
Extremely informative as always.
thank you
Maybe I missed it. , but I didnt see mention of how awesome the turning radius is. I think one-of-the best in the industry
You highlighted the all weather lights in place of fogs lamps..not mentioned by most.
Actually I prefer no rear switches unless I need them which is rarely.
Great Review thankyou....Mines coming in May 😁
Haptic controls and sliders are terrible. Real knobs and buttons, please!
The rearview mirror seems to have and is missing Homelink, I am wondering if they moved home link into the infotainment system like Audi
I don't think it looks like a minivan, love the way it looks to be honest
That’s why we say looks are always subjective. The ID.4 is not a bad looking vehicle; we just wanted VW to add some of the aggression from the GTX trim in other markets.
It looks like a van that's had a chopped roof
I don't see a minivan look either.
It’s definitely one of the better looking EV crossovers. Basically looks like a normal SUV, which is a huge pro IMO
I love look the id4 ... Never vans look
Really good review!
DRUM BRAKES?? You made my day, I never would have noticed that. WOW!
Because of regenerative braking, EV don't need disc on the rear. At least no at this power level. Remember, 80% of the stopping is on the front brakes.
@@krane15 And these won't rust just to be not used
@@timogronroos4642 Thats a good point.
Having had to spend $1000 getting my calipers replaced on my prius because they will seize due to lack of use from regen braking, from brakes on hybrids and evs makes WAY more sense.
@@SweetLou0523 Thank you for reminding me to stomp the brakes on my prius from time to time lol.
I Own Qty 2. 2023. ID-4 Pro S RWD. It’s also my 8th ID-4’s. Excellent EV’s
EU here. We still have the capacitive buttons (unfortunately) on the 2024. I should get mine around June but i wasn't told this changed. We definately do NOT get ventilated seats even as upgrade. It's massaging and heating but only id7 get the ventilated seats.
Capacitive buttons are great. They’re multifunctional. You’ll love them & wonder what the hack some reviewers have against them
I tested an ID.4 in 2021 when it first came out. It drove beautifully overall but yeah was a touch slow for the class. Really what kept me away was multiple software bugs showing up on my relatively short test drive. Hoping the new software can finally get VW on the right track and then I'll consider this car to replace our Mazda CX-5
Great car, have had pro and gtx three years now. These are the right updates to keep it in competition
Totally recognized where you were driving! Santa Anita Avenue in Arcadia between the Arboretum and Shops at Santa Anita!
Did they improve the audio system? I heard you can get an h/k speaker package with a sub, but assuming that’s not on the Pro S.
Yes, the 10-speaker Harmon Kardon stereo system is available only on the Pro S Plus trim.
Are the standard speakers improved?
Dang. Redline in my "backyard!" Rose bowl!
Drums brakes arent as attractive, but because its an RWD EV, most of the braking power is at the front anyways, with the rear being motor based regen. Drums here won't have issues of rusting and are extremely low maintenance. And as an owner of the 2021 model, I can tell you first hand how much the front brakes have a tendency to get rusty. There is always a thin layer of brownish brake dust on the front wheels while the backs are squeaky clean.
Its a cost cutting measure bub. Don't be so gullible.
This is now back on the radar. The design will age really well, the power and driving dynamics were the issue. Glad to see they addressed this quickly. Of the list of Tax credit eligible new cars, this is a great buy now.
So basically, after four years VW has updated the ID.4 to something closer to how it should have shipped originally.
I remember reading that it took Nikolai Tesla (considered a genius) three years to design an efficient AC generator. This new motor took some years to design, develop, and test.
Amazing job Sofyan.
Great video… It’s a very nice looking car!
Thanks for the video. Nice to hear about the improvements. Wouldn't have minded a few more (less touch capacitive buttons, built-in dashcam, better stereo for levels below Plus) but still glad for the improvements. It's too bad the ID4 wasn't like this from the start. I think the ID4 currently has a so-so reputation now due to the earlier infotainment, power (for RWD) and range shortcomings of the 21-23 models. The 2 button window controls, though way overblown, also generated/generates some negative vibes.
As improved as the 2024 is, it's still going to take some time to reverse the negative opinions. Since the 2024 exterior looks the same, I bet a lot of people will just assume the 2024 still has the shortcomings of the prior years. It was a poor decision by VW to not make a single aesthetic change to distinguish it from earlier ID4s. They could've simply made the rear turn signal lens amber instead of red, then people would be able to recognize it as a 2024 that has some improvements.
I don't understand people's preference for hood struts. Ok, some people may not have the physical strength or height/arm length to lift up the hood, so I can understand that they would prefer struts. But for people who can lift up a hood, why would you want struts? I can lift a hood, so I much prefer a rod to prop up the hood. A hood prop rod will not break, whereas struts will fail (lose pressure) and need to be replaced after some years.
In your video, the switching between AWD to RWD then back to AWD versions of the ID4, especially when they both had the same interior color, was a bit confusing.
I'm happy u feel the same. I love audi and vw sedans. They should really electrify the jetta and stay true to its iconic look
Question... What part of the steering, you as a driver, should be touching while driving?
The part where you're comfortable. Typically 10/2 or 3/9.
I heard from a student in a recent drivers training course that the new suggestion is lower to “8 & 4” o’clock. Supposedly safer during airbag deployment. I’m not sure I’ll change my 9 & 3 habit, but I see the point.
Are you guys using a new camera Sofyan ?
The start-stop button on the steering column allows you to keep all the systems in the car operating to warm or cool granny or Rover while you run into the store with the key fob in your pocket or purse. The 2023 ID 4 Pro AWD has heads up display.
Traction mode is not new. My 2021 AWD has it. It's only on AWD.
I don't like the change of Drive/ Reverse gear control. It's a waste of room. The original location is great.
What they really need to change is that hump on the light control panel. Both me and my wife knock our knees onto that several times. It was only protruding on driver side. Passenger doesn't have this issue.
Enjoyed your review as always man. But I saw that the new VW software in Europe includes a store where you can have a native Spotify app without CarPlay. Did they bring that over to the U.S.? I saw no store tile.
I can say after owning a MK8 GTI for 2 years, I have not one single time accidentally hit the heated steering wheel button 😂. I actually love the haptic buttons, slide for bigger adjustments, tap for smaller adjustments. It’s really nice.
I have a 2019 Acura RDX and this car looks equally as good as that from outside.
We have a 2023 Tesla model 3 performance, 2023 ID.4 AWD Pro S and 2019 Nissan Leaf SL Plus. We absolutely love our ID.4! It’s one of the first ones that came of the production line in Chattanooga. The changes for the 2024 model make it one of the best if not THE best family EV.
The dampening on the ID4 is just absolutely perfect. It’s the best highway cruiser I’ve ever driven.
Does teh AWD give you more regen? Ho w about the sound system, better than last years?
You need to get the Plus+ to get the premium sound system. He says it in the video.
Plz add weight and range international currency (kg.km)
Grateful for the review. We have one on order. Video seemed rushed. At first you were reviewing the all-wheel-drive and then all of a sudden you were driving the rear wheel drive which confused us. Always enjoy your reviews, but maybe take just a little bit more time.
Can you do a review on BYD?
No
I was hoping the Idbuzz would be released by now. This still looks ok...
I buzz is grossly under-powered. It too could use these motors.
@@krane15why power up an id buzz? the original vw bus had under 100 hp, drives really slow but was a cultural hit
@@krane15ID Buzz is getting these motors
He mentioned some competitor models have rear reclining seats. Could anyone name a few? this would be a big feature to have for my family.
Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 have rear reclining seats.
What's really bizarre is that VW pioneered the reclining rear seat. Consumers are a whole lot more savvy than they used to be. So we know when something's missing, and if smells like cost cutting, it probably is. Not a way to sell cars VW. Especially not when their is a ton of competition that's doing a lot better.
Actually the steering wheel in Germany/Europe also still has the haptic buttons. VW is in the process of changing these to physical buttons again though but unfortunately just hasn’t done it for this ID.4 update yet.
Only because reviewers versus owners decided they didn’t like them.
I personally love the capacitive buttons & am sorry to see them go
Actually I do as well, I don’t know why I put the word “unfortunately” in there. 🤷🏻♂️😅 I love the sliding function/option. Very convenient.
Thanks for the first look. Nice to see them making some significant improvements. I'm surprised they raised the price at all considering the trend of other EV manufactures to lower prices, then you add in the slowing car market...
I'm disappointed they did not increase the battery from 82 to the 86kWh being offered in the ID.7. I'm also disappointed they didn't fix the issue with the rear seatbelt openings eating small objects. If this is a car for people with kids VW should know that kids drop things and those things always find the lowest point. In this car that is a void inside the rear seat that can only be accessed by the opening around the seatbelts! This is a significant design flaw for a car that has had so much thought put into it.
It does have increased power AND range, which is nice. And unlike Tesla, where you MUST pay the list price, now that the car market is returning to normal, just haggle with the volume VW dealerships in your area to get a discount on the price.
The rose bowlllll
New GTI review coming soon?
The new GTI isn’t out. How would he review it 😂
Sadly, you’re going to have to wait a bit longer for the US spec car! VW did tell us that we can expect a few reveals happening this year at the LA Auto Show! Stay tuned for all our upcoming coverage and we should also be driving the ID.Buzz this summer!
@@theredlineAwesome!
@@BenTroxellWas hoping for an early access preview since the 2025 was covered on another channel. Thought maybe Volkswagen was starting to give journalists access now or soon.
I don't have time to go through this video and provide corrections but I think it's rather unfair to state that EV sales are dwindling. The conclusion from 2023, the best year ever for ev sales, is that the GROWTH of EV sales has diminished so while more EVs are sold the curve is less steep. Some automakers have found their sales dwindling, but they perhaps have unattractive products that can explain their lack of sales.
Oh you were in my neighborhood 😊
SK battery pack gets the tax rebate, LG battery lacks dont qualify, be sure to check that before buying,
Any chance the ID.4 now includes a heat pump instead of resistive heater for the cabin?
The 2024s being shipped to Canada have heat pumps...finally.
Our dealer has 2023 models with $7500 EV tax credit plus $5500 customer cash. I can't tell if the 2024 is worth waiting for our not vs a discounted 2023. We want to use it for road rips with the dogs and possible 4 people.
Uh… $5,500 customer cash is crazy! We also get an extra $3,500 on top of that here in Massachusetts.
We did end up buying the 2023 model and love it.
looks realy nice and that German engineering I bet is spot on... I think that it would kill the Tesla if it got 350+ miles range
RWD drum brakes allow for cheaper cost and maintenance. Do you want higher cost?
Yep, its just a cost cutting method. You don't need the wisdom of Solomon to tell VW has gone over it cars with a fine tooth comb to search out as many ways to cut cost as they can.
Someone would need to bring your attention to the rear drum brakes, but other things such as hard scratchy plastic way up high on the dash, and the extreme cheap out with the two window switches (embarrassing) are impossible to miss.
Not my market so there isn't much that I like about this car. Owners of the earlier models report many complaints and I was surprised to hear that it is one of the best selling EVs in the world!
Does this model also have the id3/Born “battery safeguarding technology”??? Cupra retailer solicitor said “your client is attempting to charge the Vehicle outside of peak hours for cost purposes, the Vehicle’s battery safeguarding technology protects the battery and charges at approximately 50% charge as the battery is not at the safe temperature.” I’m not clear if everyone knows this may mean (as in my case even in a closed integral garage) that 75/80% of home charges could be at only half 7kwh, ie just 3.5kwh.
This is the full item they quoted:
** VWG test data for comparison purposes. Actual charging times will vary depending on e.g. options, age, type, condition and temperature of charger/battery, charger usage & environmental factors. Charging time will be longer in cold weather or if battery safeguarding technology is activated.”
It only took almost 3 decades for the Toyota Tacoma to get disc brakes.
Everthing should have a prop hood that way it stays up after 4 years
Good car but it's still too expensive for me to move to eletrics
If you don’t road trip much, you can get a Bolt EUV for $21k after tax credit
Used EV market pricing has fallen a great deal recently. Plus there is a $4000 federal tax credit now. You can try to find the best used EV for $25k and get it down to 21k after credit.
You missed 7 calls and have an unread message! LOL
Does the software actually work now - particularly the remote phone app connection, or does it continue to be buggy, frustrating and as useless as it has been with the iD range for the last 4 years?
Lack luster interior design of new cars is discouraging.
I loved this color and this EV is my daily car.
Went down to Rose Bowl eh? 😂
Yup! It’s a great spot to film! We just wish it was quieter 😅
Drumbrakes are a dealbreaker for me. I can’t believe they put that on a 60k car lol.
Does it still run the oddball sized tires..front/rear.??............And any electric car must run the newest LFP or M3P batteries to attract My attention...........Also, I want to see a very large display behind the steering wheel and forget that lap-top bolted to the dash.......In other words more like an airplane cockpit............They should hire Me as an adviser and would see much more modern/efficient cars.................Paul
You should design a better vehicle and try to make money on it while selling relatively few of them per year. Don’t forget the shareholders who want high net profits.
good review, but you can t use sunglasses on camera
I thought the e-golf was the first fully dedicated ev in america 🤷🏻♂️
Perhaps because the Golf was also available with an engine whereas the ID.4 is EV only.
you guys, you guys, you guys.
The 2024 Volkswagen ID.4 Pro S is a great car! 😊
No more three years of free charging on EA. Excerpt from the PR: "The 2024 ID.4 Charging Plan includes 500 kWh of charging at Electrify America, redeemable through the Electrify America app, plus three years of Electrify America’s Pass+ membership, saving about 25% on charging compared to Guest and Pass membership base charging rates. Pass+ members can use the app to favorite charging stations, get notified when a charger opens up, start charging and track progress, and pay contact-free."
oh well, at least that will help with the congestion at local EA stations which will often have one or more ID.4 sitting there taking advantage of the free charging. I have been enjoying the free charging when I'm out and about and have 30 minutes to charge, made especially nice recently now that plug and charge is FINALLY enabled.
When they add the correct amount of batteries to get 350 miles of range, I might be interested. When will we see the next generation battery tech?
What they need to stop doing is putting massive heavy wheels and lifted suspensions on all of these vehicles. They could probably get another 80 miles of range by just not having gargantuan wheels on everything
Next gen battery tech is only starting to come out in China right now. For instance NIO finally released their ultra long range 150 kWh battery pack with the same dimension and almost the same weight as their current 100 kWh pack. Li Auto new Li Mega MPV just released with CATL's fastest charging 5c battery pack, which peaks at over 500 kW and is still pulling over 300 kW at 80%, compared to this ID.4 which peaks at 170 kW and pulls around 90 kW at 80%. None of this tech is cheap though, since the Li Mega and NIO ET7 are both luxury vehicles.
For mainstream use, a lot of the development is focused on LFP batteries, which are cheaper and last longer. Although some of them are getting improved performance and charging speed as well, such as Geely's new 800V "Golden Battery".
How did we get to this point that every car interior consist of a couple of cheap tablets. I can't believe people are ok with this design.
How old are you ?
I thought that the ID 4 no longer qualified for the federal tax credit. I know that the CEO said that they were working on getting it back on the list. Has that changed?
It qualifies for the federal tax credit if you lease it.
Disappointed VW didn't do more. Powertrain is good upgrade but why not upgrade on all trims including smaller battery pack? The fastest 2023 rwd id4 is the smaller pack and lowest trim assume for 2024 fastest is awd pro trim. Also vehicle to load, plug and charge, id7 massage seats and upgraded cameras.. also no detailed pricing. I really wish they added upgraded drive train to 60kwh pack...
Nissan Ariya can vent and open the moonroof
But it has that ugly bar breaking up that beautiful piece of glass. I prefer the solid glass with the shade, it just looks better.
Wish it was smaller.
Smaller? You must not be from round here?
"Lower price point of this vehicle."
Me: $55,695 🤣 🤣 🤣
Wahoo!
If you want one now lease it. By the time your lease it up it will be better and have the NACS charging port.
This is still 3000 dollars more than the top of the line Model y (independent of the government rebate).
Worst cup holders ever! Give us the new ones!
If you figure the price per pound, its really not too bad. 😂
They finally figured out people drive the car at night.
the id 4 was volkswagen's first dedicated EV to america? seems like you forgot about the e golf, eh cupcake
2023 ID4s in my neighborhood are going for $18K off MSRP 🤣
Which city?
Be careful what u wish for
131800rmb in china
I dont hate it, but I definitely will not lie awake at night wishing for one. The styling was born tired, and it almost seems (like the Nissan Leaf) to be deliberately ugly. Was this really designed by the same people who did the Passat and the Golf, and the Up ?
Hey VW, 1995 called. They want their rear drum brakes back. It's 2024! Come on now!
Its an EV. Rear wheel discs would be redundant.
@krane15 yet Making screens bigger for no reason is OK and taking away buttons and hiding them in menus so drivers are even more distracted is okay but redundant brakes aren't. Keep drinking the kool-aid bruh
The 2024 Volkswagen ID.4 is absolutely a technically better car than most of its electric rivals. However, the interior design is still a little bit behind the trend in terms of an electric car.
It's better than a tesla 😁
As someone who has Tesla Y and also had VW cars for 15 years, I strongly disagree. CCS charging alone makes this car almost useless for long-distance trips in the US. Efficiency, performance, and price are "meh" compared to Model Y.
Automakers, please stop using capacitive buttons
Just ignore the car. They'll get the message. I can understand VW cutting cost, but Mercedes? That's just down right pathetic.
When it comes to Electric vehicles there's only three things I care about. Range, charging speed and if it has one pedal driving.
Dude. It's FOUR-THOUSAND NINE-HUNDRED POUNDS. Its 1,400 lbs heavier than my Model 3, which also hapoens to have practically infinite onboard storage space. Probably has fewer rattles, though.
I see the minivan vibes in this design.
$55k and you get a cheap hood prop.... No thanks.
I had the same reaction at first, but what does it matter? It will only ever be opened to refill the wiper fluid.
It seems like VW is always 1 generation behind the competition
Leave it to VW to call their Hertz Premium spec interior, "Galaxy Interior". Lmao
Ugh, the dumbest window controls ever still. Hard pass.
Its an obvious cost cutting measure but no enough by itself to make me reject the car completely.
I love those window controls. I hate when I accidentally lower the wrong window cause I pressed the wrong button. I prefer only 2 switches. If I need the rear windows lowered the people in the back can do it.
Drum brakes: they can be designed in such a way that once locked, they don’t lose their grip over a longer engagement time like the disk brakes do. More suitable as a parking brake. Unlike a gasoline car, an EV like ID.4 doesn’t have a holding pin in a transmission that locks it when in park position, thus an utterly reliable parking brake becomes crucial. Since the electric motors can operate as a brake too, drum brakes at the rear become sufficient for deceleration duties. So, this design decision makes sense to me.
The three buttons instead of conventional four for window up-down switches make neither ergonomic nor engineering sense. So there must be some other reason. My guess is that this is a part of a deliberate psychological barrier to prevent affluent buyers from purchasing ID.4 instead of Audi e-tron. Exquisitely drab interiors, with black shiny hard plastics that never look clean may serve the same purpose.
The danger for Volkswagen in regards to ID.4 is of course competition from the likes of Honda, Nissan, and eventually Toyota, with their base EVs featuring highly ergonomic and nicely done interiors. I guess Volkswagen may revise their questionable design devisions, such as three-button window switches, after they realize that such decisions critically contributed to a loss of sales on the order of 10,000 or more ID.4s a year.
I agree on the brakes. The window switches will be back, but there is no specific date. Possibly in 2025. I guess, separate climate controls will be added as well. It is easy to criticize, but we don’t know if these cars make any money for VW at this time. They invested billions of dollars in the EV endeavors.