VW ID.4 Two-Year Review (So Bad I Returned It)

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  • čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
  • My full story of owning an electric VW ID.4 after being a Tesla owner since 2012. I'll tell you all the pros and cons of the VW ID.4, what issues I've had, what VW did or didn't do about it, what feedback I got from the VW ID.4 online community, and why I returned it 1 year early.
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  • @EforElectric
    @EforElectric  Před 11 měsíci +15

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    • @billybobbob3003
      @billybobbob3003 Před 11 měsíci +1

      i remember my mom bought a vw vetta combustion engine one and it had all kinda electical issues lol car would cut out randomly all the time just like this shit lol and she ended up returning, vw in general are pretty terrible lol actually if you look it up vw vehicles in general known for having electical issues.

    • @barry7920
      @barry7920 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thumbs down on Volkswagen and also thumbs down on the United States, eh? Ouch. Hope you'll be happier in your next country. If it's Thailand, I have read that they have very expensive import duties on new cars there, but I guess that's not a problem for a car guy?

    • @0my
      @0my Před 11 měsíci

      Clogging up our streets, for... Too.... Damn... Long.. . Lol, what a tool that guy is.

    • @0my
      @0my Před 11 měsíci

      I had similar issues audio issues with GMC infotainment system. The solution was to not allow the phone wifi connect to the car, only Bluetooth. And I deleted any "accounts"from the car

    • @EskiZagra
      @EskiZagra Před 11 měsíci +1

      Just get a Model Y; a lot more sorted out vehicle...

  • @matiyaskebede8743
    @matiyaskebede8743 Před 3 měsíci +19

    I had my ID.4 for 2 years and I haven’t encountered none of the problems you had mentioned. I love my ID.4

    • @googlewolly
      @googlewolly Před 11 dny

      If you haven't encountered none of the problems, that means that you encountered some problems (double negative).

  • @ssale86
    @ssale86 Před 11 měsíci +14

    I was very close to getting an ID.4 last year in July, but couldn't find one without massive markup or a 6 month delay. I ended up with a Chevy EUV instead. I'm pleasantly surprised, 1 year later with the car. No real issues besides a gasket that needed glued. Wireless Android Auto is 99.9% reliable, only acting up when my phone's Bluetooth is janked and the phone needs rebooted. Tire pressure is also shown per tire, and seems to update a few times a minute. I'm astonished that Chevy was able to make a great infotainment system, while VW can't.

  • @Tony-pu8bg
    @Tony-pu8bg Před 11 měsíci +111

    I have driven an ID4 for almost two years now. I do 50k miles per year and I havent come across any of he problems you point out. Best car I have ever driven

    • @curtisducati
      @curtisducati Před 11 měsíci +17

      My friend has one , paid £40,000 almost for it , selling online at £20,000 so it has lost 50% in value in 2 years OMG ......Diesel & Petrol cost £23,000 and lose £4000 in 2 years , pointless buying one to lose 20k .....

    • @michaelmccullough9764
      @michaelmccullough9764 Před 11 měsíci +9

      I have an ID4 and it works fine. We’re Home charging else electric would be a pain. We have done a three year lease and return, and see it as a good way to not worry about the depreciation issue. I think VW has worked the IT hard since the first versions.

    • @eplugplay8409
      @eplugplay8409 Před 10 měsíci +8

      I still don’t understand how people just don’t get the model 3, superior in every way no brainer. But people do like a different look and badge loyalty.

    • @nattybumpo7156
      @nattybumpo7156 Před 7 měsíci +4

      My small dealership is buying back and average of two each week.
      They are awful. I expect better build quality from Hasbro.

    • @JesusGarcia-er5us
      @JesusGarcia-er5us Před 5 měsíci +3

      I agree, it's a good car. I own one.

  • @hankfowler8194
    @hankfowler8194 Před 8 měsíci +52

    I love my ID.4. I have the AWD version and it is very fast and comfortable. No software problems.

    • @gamingwitharlen2267
      @gamingwitharlen2267 Před 5 měsíci

      What model year is it?

    • @hankfowler8194
      @hankfowler8194 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@gamingwitharlen2267 2022. AWD.

    • @boerbiet237
      @boerbiet237 Před 5 měsíci +3

      We drive our id.4 since 2020 in Holland. Yes, we had software updates, yes, we had a new 12 volt battery.
      It never stopt anywhere, no repairs at our costs. We enjoy its ride. Make your Own opinion! Greetings

    • @yanito8508
      @yanito8508 Před 4 měsíci +5

      same here! 2023 awd pro s and I absolutely LOVE IT!

    • @charbelhaddad9459
      @charbelhaddad9459 Před měsícem

      Wich id4 you have ?

  • @BorisZaBlade
    @BorisZaBlade Před rokem +47

    The pressure pump has a manometer, at least in Europe, so it is annoying to have the tire pressure error on, but pumping it without checking what the actual pressure is in your tires ... 😅😂

  • @rufdymond
    @rufdymond Před 11 měsíci +64

    Here in Europe it has long been known that the software in these cars is awful - VW have now already released a complete updated version of the ID3 (which I believe is not sold in the US) This version is basically the car they should have released in the first place - there were so many complaints that they had to listen. As well as a complete overhaul of the interior materials (much higher quality) there has been a complete overhaul of the cars software, which was the thing that had the most complaints.

    • @patrickmaartense7772
      @patrickmaartense7772 Před 10 měsíci +1

      i did a stint for the company that makes the software.... it sux..... ( I drive a cupra as second car ID V3 software)

    • @HermanWillems
      @HermanWillems Před 10 měsíci +2

      So they are not going to fix the older cars? So it is about hardware issues then too.

    • @epatto
      @epatto Před 10 měsíci

      @@HermanWillems All older cars can/will be updated to ID Software 3.x. My 2020 ID.3 got a Volkswagen "field measure" logged so that I would automatically get the newest software when I next brought my car for regular maintenance. So there is no hardware issues.

    • @paulcarlton598
      @paulcarlton598 Před 9 měsíci

      @@patrickmaartense7772 what company made the software?

    • @ericschneider7648
      @ericschneider7648 Před 7 měsíci +5

      A coworker bought an Id 4 about 6 months ago and has had no problems whatsoever. He loves it. Some complaints about certain aspects of the user interface but the car has performed flawlessly. I’m not buying this review.

  • @Miata822
    @Miata822 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Your ID.4 enthusiasm almost had me buy one for my wife. Glad she decided to keep my 2018 Volt instead. It has been rock-solid reliable. but why is she driving my car? Well, I went full early adopter and bought a Lucid a year ago. Lots of software bugs that disappeared with one OTA after another. Then the OTAs started adding new features. It has been such a joy owning and driving this car. Maybe they will even have it in Thailand soon.
    Have fun in your new home. Good luck with the channel.

    • @HermanWillems
      @HermanWillems Před 10 měsíci

      Yeah the Volts where great products from GM.

    • @JesusGarcia-er5us
      @JesusGarcia-er5us Před 3 měsíci

      I also recommend the chevy volt. I own the 2023 id 4 and have no issues. It's a great car.

  • @JesusGarcia-er5us
    @JesusGarcia-er5us Před 5 měsíci +3

    I got the id4. Nice car, runs well, infotainment works great. Just learn the car and you will love it. Don't listen to everything these people say. Go to a dealer, try it, ask actual owners about everything on the car.

  • @tominftlthomasp3559
    @tominftlthomasp3559 Před 11 měsíci +29

    I was almost a purchaser of the id4. Luckily they didn’t have one in stock and i would have to order. I was on the list for a Tesla but after getting the Tesla shuffle for 3 months I decided to look around. I discovered the EV6 and ordered one. It took only two months to get my colors and AWD. I have had the car since July of 22. No issues. Never had to take it back to the dealer. Love this car. I would highly recommend it to anyone.

    • @nnnnnn3647
      @nnnnnn3647 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Germans are good in tanks but no software. This country is in 1990 in terms of electronics, software, mobile services, car software.

    • @curtisducati
      @curtisducati Před 11 měsíci +1

      They are crap and lose 50% in value in 2 years as my friends has , £25 to £50 to supercharge to do 150 miles in town ? My 508 diesel will do 100 plus mpg and £20 tax a year ! Pointless crap tech EV's ....VW has just dropped production by 30% as hardly any buyers , no wonder losing £20,000 in 2 years , the petrol and diesel ones cost £23,000 and lose £4000 in 2 years , so you lose £17,000 more if you buy one ...OMG......

    • @HermanWillems
      @HermanWillems Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@curtisducati Dropped production because for the same price you can get a Model Y. Which is now the TOP SELLING car in Germany.

    • @savedby_grace6110
      @savedby_grace6110 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@curtisducati Mine is fine:) Price drop is real though.

    • @JesusGarcia-er5us
      @JesusGarcia-er5us Před 3 měsíci

      The ev6 is very good also. I own the id4 and it's a great car as well.

  • @css20080301
    @css20080301 Před 11 měsíci +13

    I also drive a '21 ID.4, 30k miles in. I had a few quality issues, and some issues that could have been HW or SW. I was also patiently waiting for the SW update, and since about a month I am on 3.1 (only took 9 days or so in the shop to get the update!). Since then my issues are gone (so, they were apparently SW).

    • @jamesmacnair9528
      @jamesmacnair9528 Před 11 měsíci

      I was warned that my update (about a month ago) would take several days, so I was very surprised when I dropped the car off the previous evening and they called me at lunch the next day to tell me that car was ready. So far so good. I did get a spurious message about an electrical problem. But otherwise solid.

    • @typxxilps
      @typxxilps Před 11 měsíci +4

      it all depends on the extras you have ordered cause different control units or set of control units causes a lot of trouble where the dealers had to learn on customer cars what it takes to fix them.
      sometimes they had to do it multiple times which means updating each and every control unit, not only a few , every single one.
      And if something goes wrong they try over and over again till they learned how to partially update those units where the update had not worked out.
      Finally: some cars had different issues and needed 1 or even more new control units which might take longer cause they needed - after several attempts to fix it - the spare part first to start again.
      Therefore you find customers that got their car in the evening and other days later which means usually 1 to 10 days.
      All was well known if someone checked the german face book groups and other forums.
      Each and every fault was well known he had mentioned in the video and really astonishing to see that he even did not know the 12V battery charging issue. Which was totally easy to fix if you know about more how the issue was caused not really by the battery, but bby the energymeter cause the battery is not measured by voltage but by counting what goes into the battery and what goes out. If that drifts away everything goes wrong.
      To fix it there is a simple routine: charge the battery fully - connect it in the car - go into the obd dongle software and change the serial number there
      Do not think I am fooling you cause we all know that batteries have no serial number or communication lines, right ?!
      So: it works this way cause once you put any different serial number in the car sets the columbmeter or energymeter that tracks this battery back to full based on the capacity the battery has so maybe 80 Ah which means 960 Wh.
      And then the cars tracks the battery state by measuring what goes out of the battery and what goes in ... but from the right fully charged point that has not drifted away over time
      Does any average mechanic know about that?
      He should but they do not cause they do not really believe the stuff they are told to do and to learn.
      So by replacing the current battery serial with a new one you tell the car the 12v battery is fully charged and then everything is fine cause it then know when to recharge that from the main battery.
      Be aware of it and you have a lot less issues easy to fix by yourself or any garage that has at least a medioce mechanic. The roots of these issues are well known and date back to the introduction of start stop automatics where they wanted to make sure not to turn off the car at a red light when the car would not turn on again. That is impossible with 12 V lead acid and measuring only the Voltage, that needed a lot more and hence the energymonitor came in 10 years ago and suddenly caused here in the ID family new issues.

  • @bwoo2828
    @bwoo2828 Před 11 měsíci +6

    I had a 2016 and 2019 e-Golf and loved them. Super reliable, but Car-Net sucked then too. I knew when I checked out the ID.4 that it would have a ton of issues when they went the super tech route. Sorry to hear you had such problems, but hopefully they're much better now.

    • @AndrewTSq
      @AndrewTSq Před 5 měsíci

      I saw some statistics about ev's and the golf was one of the better ev's. The same could not be said about the id3 and id4 in the same stats :/ edit: in terms of issues of the car.

  • @rho008
    @rho008 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I owned a 2019 Volkswagen E-golf. Absolutely no issues synching with my phone, no mechanical or software problem. The best part, no battery degradation. I charge my e-golf to 90-95% on a Supercharger and even charge it to full on my home charger. The only issue with the e-golf is the range. Otherwise, it is even better than a Model 3.

  • @dansanger5340
    @dansanger5340 Před rokem +27

    I had Android Auto connection issues with my old car, so I realize how incredibly frustrating it can be. On my new car, 2023 ID4, it's been rock solid. The nice comfortable ride, combined with the modern and constantly updated (by Google) Android Auto, and surprisingly good driver assist features, has made it very pleasurable to own.

    • @Gay-is-_-trash
      @Gay-is-_-trash Před rokem

      Step 1: get rid of that junk EV
      Step 2: Buy an iPhone

    • @dansanger5340
      @dansanger5340 Před rokem +7

      @@Gay-is-_-trash I don't want an iPhone. They are too expensive. I am very happy with my Android phone that cost less than half as much. My EV is not junk. And, it's also a good value, does everything I want it to. And, it was cheap enough that I could pay cash, so no car payments.

    • @Gay-is-_-trash
      @Gay-is-_-trash Před rokem

      @Dan Sanger Your android is trash, your woke EV is garbage

    • @AgentOffice
      @AgentOffice Před 11 měsíci

      @@Gay-is-_-trash iphone is garbage

    • @samjam6989
      @samjam6989 Před 10 měsíci +4

      ​@@Gay-is-_-trashiPhone is garbage bro, Samsung and Google pixel is where it's at

  • @kevinpiip3427
    @kevinpiip3427 Před rokem +4

    Im looking forward to the id2 and hope that the new software wont be so bad. I REALLY love the look of that car!

  • @valkhorn
    @valkhorn Před 11 měsíci +8

    The one thing about Teslas that I honestly find enjoyable is that the infotainment system is pretty much the fastest and quickest I've ever used in any car, EV or no. There's barely any lag like you'd find with Apple Car Play. It's rather sad that other car companies aren't focusing on the software part as much as Tesla.

    • @HermanWillems
      @HermanWillems Před 10 měsíci +2

      Driving my Model 3 now for 20.000 kilometers. I have literally ZERO issues with the infotainment. One thing i have issues with is the automatic wiper software. That just sucks. Other than that. I took the car and never been to the garage ever. Literally zero problems, im just hoping for a software update that fixes the automatic wipers. The rest is flawless.

    • @beyerch
      @beyerch Před 9 měsíci

      I definitely like the infotainment in my Model S & X. In my MS, though, it has been freezing A LOT. Sometimes it even reboots when I'm driving. Something is wrong with the car as opposed to the infotainment in general, though.

    • @valkhorn
      @valkhorn Před 9 měsíci

      @@beyerch I don’t get hardly any freezes in my Model 3. I know I got way more freezes and reboots in my Honda with Apple play

    • @coooooool12342
      @coooooool12342 Před 6 měsíci

      It’s like using an iPhone.

  • @bauke-jandavids7532
    @bauke-jandavids7532 Před 11 měsíci

    My 2018 VW polo has the exact same issues with CarPlay as your ID.4 has with android auto. Also the 2018 polo display goes blank often so looks like the same software was used?

  • @CosmosRays
    @CosmosRays Před rokem +10

    Alex, got to be one of your best video’s so far. Great I depth overall explanation of the relevant issues and problems you’ve experienced with both your ID.4 and VW customer service (or lack thereof). 👍🏻

  • @allwheeldrive
    @allwheeldrive Před rokem +138

    Alex, I've been in the tech business for over 40 years. Cardinal rule: Never buy the first version of anything. Specially from a company that has a reputation for not caring. I WANT to love VW, but can't. I've owned several over the years, and only had good ownership experiences with the old air-cooleds. We've had a Model 3 for more than two years and it has been, in all objectivity, an exceptional experience, including their customer service. And what has been ever-increasingly clear is their biggest advantage is their software. Which - as you found out - is KEY to overall EV performance. Perhaps VW's next gen will be better (the ID.7 looks promising). I hope so. But I'm still skeptical and would wait to see what happens with the first wave of buyers. At this point - even though Musk is an unmitigated social disaster - Elon, stay in your lane! Your clearly adolescent social skills are embarrassing! - the next EV for us still looks like a Tesla.

    • @danharold3087
      @danharold3087 Před rokem +27

      Given Elon's conduct in China it is obvious he has the social skills. As a free thinker he chooses when to apply them. His view seems to be that he should be just as entitled to free speech as the rest of us. People who disagree with him like to belittle the man. Personally I detest cancel culture.

    • @TheWebstaff
      @TheWebstaff Před 11 měsíci +10

      If Tesla can get the build quality right and not be a bunch of assholes when it comes to right to repair maybe.
      But Elon has become a risk to the company with his outbursts.

    • @cyclingbrad4201
      @cyclingbrad4201 Před 11 měsíci +7

      When Elon said “ the conspiracy theories are true” he has been proven correct when he released the Twitter emails 😂

    • @Chainyanker007
      @Chainyanker007 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@TheWebstaff - The build quality of my ‘20 Tesla MS is perfect, but have not yet used a micrometer to check. Looks great.

    • @Schmuly
      @Schmuly Před 11 měsíci +1

      I agree to always wait a few years untill the tech has matured but good lord this car is just awful, I've seen alot of issues in first model years but this is actually nuts how much this car failed.

  • @poppymeowmeow52
    @poppymeowmeow52 Před 9 měsíci +2

    I bought a VW on 7/22/2023 and it left me stranded on 8/6/2023 and 8/15/2023. After the last tow, I told them to leave the car in their lot . What a nightmare POS ! I since got a Toyota with ZERO issues.

  • @MG_Steve
    @MG_Steve Před 11 měsíci

    What version was your software? I've got a 6 month old ID3 with Android Auto and never had any of the Android Auto issues you raise. I did notice that the phone (Samsung Flip 5G) gets hot - but only if I connect via WIFI, if I connect via a cable it doesn't get as hot.
    Weird that you had a different App for the ID4 though, the ID3 app is better (still rubbish), but it works and the App is a VW app, not ID3 specific?
    I am UK based though, but I can't believe the app is different for the US.
    Edit: Ah, I see it was one of the first ID4s. Yeah, the first ID3s had similar software issues from what I recall too. v3 of the software as in my ID3 is much better. Still has it's issues, don't get me wrong, but better than v2.x

  • @schunkelndedschunke6914
    @schunkelndedschunke6914 Před rokem +8

    Driving the EV6 AWD since 12/2022 as one of the first owners in Austria. Now driven 31.000km and absolutely happy with the car.

  • @SssshirazzzZ
    @SssshirazzzZ Před 11 měsíci +37

    i scored on 22 ID.4 pro trim that came with 3.1. The 23 is great but i like the savings over the 22. No problems after 4 months. my biggest annoyance are things like not being able to keep the ambient light on when parked with the rest of the lights off. Software-updatable things, I would assume, and expect over time. Nothing bad enough in 3.1 to actually be frustrating. And it drives like a dream, for sure. So smooth and easy. Travel Assist works way better than I expected -- it handled two hours for me yesterday driving back from a festival, on country roads and then into highway traffic, with me being able to relax much more. I've really got into the right groove with knowing how much attention to pay to what with Travel Assist on. I'm only paying about $25 CDN a month in electricity. Last but not least, in the winter I loved chilling in it with the heated seat on, laying way back, massage on. I thought the massage would be a gimmick but dang, I love it. Tunes turned up. View out the roof. I would do this by the beach, or sometimes in my own driveway because it feels that good in the BC west coast winter.

    • @inebium
      @inebium Před 11 měsíci +3

      This video seems to arrive a year late or something. Not in U.S, I got a skoda enyaq for a year which is basically an ID.4 in a different look/style and have had not a single of the problem mentioned in this video and it is really a great car.

    • @elvertestaguzza9753
      @elvertestaguzza9753 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I've had my 2023 VW ID.4 for about six 6 months . I love it!! It rides like a dream and no software problems. I charge it at home and at charging stations with no problems. I would think it's Electrify America, that is the problem. He never said if he tried charging at other charging stations . If he did , he would have found out the real problem . The real problem would be Electrify America.

  • @sealion16
    @sealion16 Před 11 měsíci +2

    iD.4 owner here. Zero issues. Sorry to hear about your experience being so shitty. The Qi heating issue is not a VW specific problem-- it is Qi in general. Car dealerships not having loaners is not a VW issue. All car dealerships are cutting back. This is a common 2021 Launch Edition story. Hence why I waited for the 2022 to pull the trigger. I'm glad I did otherwise I'd probably be making the same videos as yourself.

  • @sonnylatchstring
    @sonnylatchstring Před 11 měsíci +5

    So if I understand correctly, a car is judged in terms of software and no longer in terms of driving characteristics. I really thought that a car was primarily intended for transport.

  • @MLHunt
    @MLHunt Před rokem +39

    I drove an ID.4 when i was shopping cars and found it a pleasant enough vehicle. It was actually on my list before i ultimately went with a second Mustang Mach-E. It's too bad about the software issues they had in MY 1 and I'm glad they seen to have sorted that out. Still, as other posters have observed, buying any car in its first year of production is always a bit of a crapshoot. Good luck with your future plans, both with EVs and just with your life in general. I look forward to hearing from you on both fronts.

    • @jacobrzeszewski6527
      @jacobrzeszewski6527 Před 11 měsíci

      **Angry Mustang fanboy noises**

    • @michalsvihla1403
      @michalsvihla1403 Před 5 měsíci

      I'd say that it's getting worse and worse when it comes to first-time adopters. Systems are much more complex than they were years ago and fine tuning seems to take place after the product is released instead of before.

    • @MLHunt
      @MLHunt Před 5 měsíci

      @@michalsvihla1403 As cars become more dependent on software, auto manufacturers become more like software developers: ship it after an insufficient beta period and fix the remaining bugs by patching after release.

  • @matthewknobel6954
    @matthewknobel6954 Před rokem +85

    I could see why you dumped the car. I have had my ID4 for 2 years and had no issues like you had so far.

    • @factslogic5927
      @factslogic5927 Před 11 měsíci +9

      Same here with ID 4 first edition. No issues but fun

    • @realredfox
      @realredfox Před 11 měsíci +6

      Same here.. ID5 GTX Dec 22. Got it with 3.2 SW, but the infotainment and interior material is still a piece of shit compared to others for 65k€

    • @jonathanpereirasp
      @jonathanpereirasp Před 11 měsíci +3

      I have the 2021 PRO AWD and it did died once… long time ago. But what’s is driving me crazy is that I had a recall letter, I scheduled the recall repair and was told it would take 2/3 days. On the appointment day (2 months later) they told me it would take 2/3 months to fix it!!! The offered me a loaner but still… 3 months without my car and driving an old smelly golf…

    • @davidwalker72
      @davidwalker72 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@jonathanpereiraspi had an early reservation, estimated Delivery December '21 but saw a lot of these issues on forums. Then there was the Bolt fires and ended up getting a Bolt for REALLY cheap. Been happy with the Bolt and it fits my needs just fine.

    • @brutjbro
      @brutjbro Před 11 měsíci

      Overheating and dropping is normal for all phones when using wireless android auto, or when using wireless charging. Solution is to disable wireless android auto and use USB cable for wired android auto. Also make sure not to place your phone into the wireless charging slot. Wireless charging without any ventilation is not usable, phone overheats in 10 minutes. This is the same for all cars, not just VW.

  • @bmovie101
    @bmovie101 Před 11 měsíci +1

    We are on our third year of ownership. We have had a decent ownership experience. We have driven it on several road trips with only one EA issue. As for the car it has been trouble free with the exception of the door locks. We have been inline to get the update but we have been rescheduled three times for the update that should fix it. We hope it is updated before our lease is up but that is looking like it may not happen. While disappointed we still like the car but with very little support from the factory or the dealerships we just might look elsewhere. It is sad because we have loved our ID 4 overall. VW needs to work on their customer service more than anything else IMHO.

  • @TheAngryHusky
    @TheAngryHusky Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thanks for this video. You just saved me a big headache. My wife found an ID4 on the local lot yesterday and fell in love. Dang thing had 12,000 miles on it and was already traded in. Same year model as yours. I told her to slow down and research it before we do anything and we found your video. Let’s just say it’s still sitting on the lot.

    • @ManuelaBeautyGlam
      @ManuelaBeautyGlam Před 10 měsíci

      It was probably a lease. I trade mine after 2 years all the time, so they are under 15,000 miles. I had at least 5 different EV's in the past 6 years, and they all day the problems he's mentioning. Screen, connectivity, e.t.c. It's because the software, just like any laptop, phone, tablet. They froze, they don't connect, they lag. Hey even my TV lags all the time. I don't go and buy a new TV. Those are silly issues, sine you don't have actually buttons to switch from radio, to music, change volume and so on. His issues are not safety related. I'm planning on a ID.4 next and this video really convinced me to go and get one. He had Tesla's before, so that's all I needed to know about him. I wouldn't drive one for free.

  • @giorgiol4902
    @giorgiol4902 Před rokem +4

    I did the same with my id3 after 2 years and 60k km. I was so unhappy on so many things that I wanted just return it. now ai drive a renault megane electric and I am satisfied on many levels from the aesthetics to the drive range

    • @markreed9853
      @markreed9853 Před rokem

      any issues with charging, Zoe was very fussy I hear

    • @FlorinArjocu
      @FlorinArjocu Před 11 měsíci +1

      The only thing I heard ~bad is slow charging speed. Is that true? If one changes at home it does not matter, but during road trips it does.

  • @davidriggs538
    @davidriggs538 Před rokem +19

    Bought my Tesla Model 3 Long Range in 2021. Have no zero problems. Best car I've ever owned by several orders of magnitude. You should reconsider getting a new Tesla. Seems like they've worked out many of their former quality control issues.

    • @RolandGustafsson
      @RolandGustafsson Před 11 měsíci +4

      Same here, 2020 Model 3 Performance, 3+ years no issues- best car I’ve owned

    • @StormyDog
      @StormyDog Před 11 měsíci +2

      2022 Tesla Model Y LR. Far and away the best car I've ever owned or driven. Love the new features added every few weeks.

    • @bitcoinman9202
      @bitcoinman9202 Před 11 měsíci +2

      The model Y blows this VW out of the water in every way imaginable. I tested one and couldn't believe how much a piece of crap it felt like. so damn slow and boring. hideous old school interior, windows 95 type software

    • @thoos192
      @thoos192 Před 11 měsíci +1

      No Tesla fanboy ever has any problems with their Tesla. They all can go like 1 000 000 miles without charging despite pulling 3 caravans in a snowstorm. It is soooo cheap and never need any service. That is the story every single time. Problem is no one believes you, just look at the panel gaps or fogged up lights and anyone can see that Teslas quality is shit poor. And this youtube channel had a bunch of problems that made him change brand. Do you really think Tesla worked out a complete trashcan to be a huge success now? No, of course not. They still suck.

  • @xuewei2270
    @xuewei2270 Před 10 měsíci

    So, do people still recommend 2021 id4? Did they solve the issues? Im looking at used car and tbh the price of the used id4 makes me want to get them over model 3 or prius?

    • @RapManCZ
      @RapManCZ Před měsícem

      did you buy the id4?

  • @jimbike8064
    @jimbike8064 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thanks for naming all the parts as you tear the engine down. Apprentice level here. Very interesting and informative.

  • @dushandesilva2595
    @dushandesilva2595 Před rokem +34

    Alex , I have to say thanks to you , I just got my first ev (Chevy bolt ev 2023). I have to learn not to step on the gas peddle to hard unlike a gas car this thing picks up so fast 😂. I love how this thing gives me 278 miles on a 80% full charge even though epa range is 259. One thing iam not a fan of is the the brake and signal lights are on the rear bumper instead of the tale light act like day time driving light always on . So iam more carefull when braking or signaling . Maybe while you are here you could rent a Chevy bolt ev or Euv. Anyways good luck with your travels .

    • @johncipolletti5611
      @johncipolletti5611 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Did you see that they discontinued the Bolt!

    • @jasonquito9156
      @jasonquito9156 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Is it 247 miles for 100% and you get more for 80% charged?

    • @dushandesilva2595
      @dushandesilva2595 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@jasonquito9156 I gotten max of 288 miles charging up to 80% .

    • @dushandesilva2595
      @dushandesilva2595 Před 11 měsíci +2

      EPA range. Given is 259 miles . I assume that’s for a 80%.

    • @jasonquito9156
      @jasonquito9156 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @Dushan Desilva epa is base on 100% charged.

  • @dresmith
    @dresmith Před rokem +14

    I have a 2022 Pro S and I’ve had all the same problems as you Alex. I’ve had my car in the shop three times in May alone. I had to open a lemon law case because VW didn’t want to willingly take this car back. My case should be closed by mid-July. I can’t wait to be done with this car.

    • @HermanWillems
      @HermanWillems Před 10 měsíci

      Damn what a contrast towards my Tesla. I took it, have driven 20K kilometers literally zero issues. Nothing. I never had a car that had this little issues. My Collegue has a Skoda Enyaq which is actually an ID4 under the hood and also had many problems.

  • @bt6joso
    @bt6joso Před 9 měsíci

    I drove ID4 for 1000km in august 2023. During this time center console screen froze two times and speedo screen somehow lost its colors for three times. So it still has way too many bugs and it's also guite laggy.

  • @fastgolfr32
    @fastgolfr32 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Some people have the worst luck with any car they own. I think that is you! 115k miles on my ID.4 1st and no issues. The OTA update took forever, completely agree there. TPMS, learn how to use a tire pressure gauge. An ABS TPMS will never respond to tire pressure changes until you drive it. I mean, come on, as a car reviewer, you should know cars better. Audio issues, whenever you use a voice command with the phone it defaults to "voice control", you have to hit the infotainment power button or volume slider with two fingers to go back to music audio. It is a PITA but manageable.

  • @berthogendoorn2133
    @berthogendoorn2133 Před rokem +20

    Well Alex, sorry to hear all your troubles in what was according to you a really great car initially! I also had same issue with my 2023 Ioniq 5, we had two EVs, 2019 Soul EV and a 2020 Soul EV, we traded our 2019 Soul EV for a long awaited 2023 Ioniq 5 (limited equivalent here in Canada), got a really great trade value and took delivery in Oct 2022, loved that car, was totally awesome. We kept the 2020 Soul EV for our daily driver and the Ionic 5 was to be our road tripper. Late Oct 2022 (about 2 weeks after delivery) I thought I would try the awesome Fast DC CCS charging, it totally failed. It remained that way for 7 months, till I switch dealers and tried another dealer service department, they diagnosed the issue was a simple bent pin on the DC Temperature senor caused the Charging module to fail on DC charging, the original service depart did replace that but never checked why it failed and 7 service visits that required a 80 minute ferry ride each time (at my expense), I was fed-up. Needless to say not only did my car have this issue, but many, many CCS chargers in Canada were failing miserably and no longer made long distance road trips possible using the CCS charging networks that are available. So I bought a Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD and just finished a 4000KM road trip and it was like night and day different then using the CCS chargers, wow. Now I see Jim Farley and Elon have signed an agreement to move FORD way from the rather problematic CCS charging standard to the Tesla NACS plug, good on them as CCS charging is just going down the toilet in North America. I will be watching for your experiences in Thailand, but I would not be a Bankok resident, I would try country living! Best of luck!

  • @ramblerandy2397
    @ramblerandy2397 Před rokem +17

    Alex, it's not just the ID4, as you probably know. I have the ID3 P-Pro that isn't a 1st edition, but was built soon afterwards and, although it is a very much more sprightly car than your ID4, it has similar software faults, although you've had a particularly poor one, I think. Everything you've mentioned, bar the entire breakdowns, I've had. Voice Commands totally suck still. OTA updates don't happen. The last one I had was when there was a 12V battery recall. I had V2.3 then, and guess what? I still have V2.3 because the service dealer feared he might brick the car. Oh, and both headlights fogged up [condensation inside - seals gone]. So what did they do? They said to leave it for a while. And of course the warmer weather came along and the issue went away, as I knew it would when he suggested it [I ain't stupid buddy, or maybe I am for having this car]. Of course the problem is still there, just waiting for next winter. But the lease is up at the end of March 2024. That said, my ID3 P-Pro is a nice, comfy, very nippy [OK not Tesla nippy] good car. But it's spoiled every trip when I have to interact with its software. And really it's only made bearable by Android Auto, which shouldn't have to be the case. Finally, the phone App has gone from "this totally stinks" to "there's an odd unpleasant aroma around here" when I use it. That's probably the biggest improvement from the car overall in 2+ years.

  • @rgl168
    @rgl168 Před 11 měsíci

    May I ask you - what residency status did you get for Thailand? Did you apply to become a "permanent resident" there or are you staying under a "visitor" status?

  • @Kajerman
    @Kajerman Před 11 měsíci

    I just went for a drive in a 1 year old ID.4 from a local dealer and the funny part was that it displayed a warning about the tyre pressure being too low.

  • @ThePserg39
    @ThePserg39 Před rokem +21

    Year and a half with ID4 and love it. Price was MSRP( my first, I just blushed, sorry, never paid MSRP before), and so far it was the only big issue. Most of the complaints don't bother me, switches, infotainment, etc. But a nice ride, lots of cabin space, acceleration, it's all just right.

  • @user-ki8ix9ii5o
    @user-ki8ix9ii5o Před rokem +34

    Like you, I've also experienced years of frustration with my brand new Volkswagen Tiguan. At just 4 months old my new Tiguan died whilst driving along and rolled to a stop, and yet somehow there was no record of it dying in the car's system, so Volkswagen's said they can't do anything without the error code. Logically that is clearly part of the problem, but VW wouldn't even investigate. The car's camera, entertainment system, randomly dies. The car sensors constantly false trigger over nothing and I have nearly been in multiple serious accidents when my Tiguan suddenly brakes on the freeways. VW claim this is normal/acceptable. The auto stop/start have left me stranded in the middle of the road multiple times and I have to wait about 10 minutes for the Tiguan to reboot. Gearbox is a mess and all over the place. Every step of the way VW have been beyond difficult, deliberate stonewalling. Customer service took an astounding 9 months to respond to my well documented email about my Tiguan's faults. Complaints were dismissed and I was told the manager I was going to lodge a complaint about would himself be the person reviewing my complaint about him. It was the most astounding ongoing head banging experience I have ever had in my life. I have never seen such horrible, blatant disregard towards customers, VW's conduct is immoral and shameful. But hey, this is the company that deliberately deceived millions of their customers with Dieselgate!

    • @Chainyanker007
      @Chainyanker007 Před rokem +6

      I wouldn’t touch a VW or a Ford with a 10’ pole.

    • @gooldii1
      @gooldii1 Před 11 měsíci

      I am german.
      Vw is a complete criminal company! That is common sense here, where it is located.
      Cheat and lie.

    • @ivanvarykino8202
      @ivanvarykino8202 Před 11 měsíci +9

      This is nothing new, the issues yiu describe about your VW.
      I gave up on anything produced by VW/Audi about 15 yrs ago. The '86 golf that had been totalled was the only reliable one of the bunch that I bit as a cheap and fun project car, repaired and drove it trouble free for over 6 years. But then i got stupid and bought a succession of german junk mobiles including a new 2000 GTI VR6 that immediately had various parts falling off, terrible dealer service for a multitude of failing sensors and finally the manual tranny was shot at 15k miles. Same thing, but even more of a loss on an Audi A6 Avante wagon. Teutonic nightmare with failing electrical, headlights, steering rack, tranny replacement, oil leaks. And i babied these cars with immaculate service and driving habits.
      I made the switch to Subaru, Honda, and now Lexus. Never looked back and honestly have never had a major fail other than the fuel injector O rings on a 2005 tundra that i drove for 13 years.
      No comparison to the component and build quality of Toyota / Honda to any German make. Japanese is built to last. German cars will become a money pit in very short order.
      I hope you found peace and a new brand as I did.

    • @rogerlapin9809
      @rogerlapin9809 Před 11 měsíci

      From experience I believe the issue is that all the systems on a Tiguan are not integrated, it's a cheap hotchpotch solution. So the diagnostics are patchy. Get rid of it.

    • @steve251157
      @steve251157 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Had a 1989 Golf GTI in South Africa for 3 years, didn’t miss a beat and excellent dealer service. Had a 1999 Passat TDi in U.K. complete nightmare car, drove well bit numerous electrical and trim issues, dealer was useless. Had 2010 Audi A5 3.0TDi in Germany and it was great. Lastly a 2013 Touran in China (Chinese manufacture) and it at 10 years old it is going strong and no issues. Dealer network great and cheap.

  • @lukeiam0
    @lukeiam0 Před 5 měsíci +2

    That sucks. I literally have not experienced a single issue you listed. It reminds me if my Jeep Patriot. No one had any issues besides me. 🤷‍♂️

  • @hugheffo
    @hugheffo Před 10 měsíci +1

    So my boss in the UK, has an ID4, and is having exactly the same issues, his ID4 died, and they had to replace the entire 12v system, and a software update, which took a couple of days

  • @youferrer
    @youferrer Před rokem +18

    As for the tire pressure issue. I have a PoleStar 2 (love it). Anyway, I was driving one day and ran over something that caused my tire to rapidly deflate and fail. I brought it in to a tire center to get a replacement. When discussing the tire I asked about the tire pressure monitor. They explained that are 2 methods. One to to measure tire pressure. Its more expensive than method 2. Method 2 is to count rotations and use it to determine if you are going faster or slower than you would if the tire was at optimal pressure. These systems will tell you to wait until the tires are warm before reporting. The ID4 may use method 2 and as a result the system doesn't know which tire has too low/high pressure.

    • @FlorinArjocu
      @FlorinArjocu Před 11 měsíci +4

      I was thinking about the same type of measung. Cheap cars have that kind of "sensors" (I think it is actually more related to ABS than a tyre pressure).

    • @rgl168
      @rgl168 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Honda uses "method 2" as you mentioned. The pro is that you don't need to buy/replace those sensors to go with the wheels, having to buy another set for summer/winter tires, and then uploading the sensor IDs after swapping tires. The con is - as you said - estimating, and not actually measuring the pressure.

    • @51StPi
      @51StPi Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@rgl168 The other con is the sensors are not tough enough to survive some tyre fitters.

    • @redbaron6805
      @redbaron6805 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@51StPi They also have onboard permanent batteries. Once the batteries get low and eventually die, the only remedy is to replace the sensor.

    • @gwcrispi
      @gwcrispi Před 11 měsíci +2

      These systems are stupid. I want to know the actual tire pressure. I couldn't believe my son's brand new Honda Civic doesn't have actual TPMS pressure sensors.

  • @KaiPonte
    @KaiPonte Před rokem +5

    Thank you for this in-depth video. The id.4 was my #2 choice for my first EV. So glad I bought the Ford Mach-e instead. No, I don't get as much free public charging, but I have had ZERO issues and truly enjoy driving it, even after eight months and 15,000 miles. Hope your move to Thailand goes well. I'm planning on remaining here in California for the time being.

    • @Nessal83
      @Nessal83 Před rokem +2

      Ford, KIA, Hyundai, and Tesla are the only EVs worth a damn.

    • @ramblerandy2397
      @ramblerandy2397 Před rokem +1

      @@Nessal83 There are some pretty good to very good indeed BEV from China hitting UK/Europe as I type or soon. OK, they're not in the USA yet, but Alex will be able to report on them from Thailand. Perhaps he'll bump in to Bjorn Nyland when he makes one of his trips to Thailand to see family.

  • @Neil-Aspinall
    @Neil-Aspinall Před 11 měsíci

    I had a new diesel 2020 Ford Transit and the infotainment system never worked properly. Ford 'always' said it was a software update problem which they would do but nothing ever changed. Seems like the budget is just not there to fix the bugs?

  • @EVmike
    @EVmike Před 11 měsíci

    Shades of my only encounter with an eGolf over a decade ago.
    VW Group Tech Center in Belmont had a free DCFC that I needed to get to SF in my Spark EV. The charger was an early EVGo, and it took a little finagling to get it to start charging. So one time I pull in next to an eGolf and the thing has wires sprouting out of the dash and data monitors stacked in the seat. The tech told me he was working on getting it to communicate with the charger and basically said he wasn't having much luck. I mentioned the tricks I had learned to get my Spark to charge, and said I thought this particular charger seemed like it could use a software update, compared to others I had used. I could almost see the light bulb going on...

  • @dianadurham2014
    @dianadurham2014 Před rokem +14

    I’m happy with my Id4 2023 Pro S. Absolutely zero issues. Love it!

  • @RichardKistnen
    @RichardKistnen Před rokem +29

    Thanks for sharing you experience and insight! Really informative! I'm in the market to say goodbye to my Tesla Model 3 for something larger. I was considering an ID4, but last thing I want to take on are software glitches, especially while driving. Very unfortunate that VW isn't pushing software updates to older vehicles (or if it's hardware related, offering some kind of retrofit option)

    • @CNile-se9xw
      @CNile-se9xw Před rokem +4

      Alex has found that the owners of later editions ID.4, aren't experiencing the early adopter issues.
      So a new one may be your bet. 👍

    • @kronosaurelius
      @kronosaurelius Před rokem

      I think the only other bigger EV would be a Rivian.

    • @dax0474
      @dax0474 Před rokem +3

      Why no model Y?

    • @CNile-se9xw
      @CNile-se9xw Před rokem +1

      @@kronosaurelius Not in Thailand, it'd be taxed to buggery & too large.

    • @CNile-se9xw
      @CNile-se9xw Před rokem +1

      ​@@dax0474 if you're pretending to be stupid, you're doing an amazing job.
      FFS, HE DOES NOT LIKE THE MODEL Y.

  • @buffalomerkis7603
    @buffalomerkis7603 Před 11 měsíci

    I drive a 12 year old Peugeot Diesel, given its age its had some repairs. But its never let me down like a new ev. Also how green is it to lease an ev for 3 years and then trade it in. would it not be greener to run a car for more of its life time, say 5 - 10 years?

  • @matthewsims4146
    @matthewsims4146 Před 10 měsíci

    I have an Audi Q7 and have exactly the same problem with connecting to the media system. It is often slow to connect and/or loses sound during the connection. My fix is to adjust the tone on the sound menu. Seems to works! So it looks like this might be a VAG problem

  • @raiuno90
    @raiuno90 Před rokem +1

    The many ECU's on the 23 & 22 models are updated compared to the ones on the 1st Edition models. As an FYI I had a very similar experience with my ID.3 1st!

    • @HermanWillems
      @HermanWillems Před 10 měsíci

      So the hardware is different, and the older ECU's on the older versions can't be properly updated?

  • @davidwand1367
    @davidwand1367 Před rokem +5

    I received an AWD 2021 Id4 in December of 2021 and love the car. I've had none of the problems that plagued your car and have done a number of road trips using EA with no problems. It's too bad you didn't get my car and you could have had more positive remarks.

    • @dalerogers1134
      @dalerogers1134 Před rokem

      Interesting that his description of Apple Autoplay issues are exactly like my experience with my 2016 Tiguan.

    • @davidwand1367
      @davidwand1367 Před rokem +1

      @@dalerogers1134 My android auto doesn't have any problems. My phones were a Motorola and a Samsung.

    • @williammann9816
      @williammann9816 Před rokem

      I have Dec 2021 ID4 and no issues at all. Never plan to get software upgrade due to it appears this likely a major issue with future problems but no significant improvement in using the vehicle. I bought a second ID 4 in Nov 2023 and wife loves it. No issues with either.

  • @user-oq6yr3bh3w
    @user-oq6yr3bh3w Před 3 měsíci +1

    Love our VW ID.4 ProS RWD. Zero problems, and works very well. We've had it for just short of 2 years.

  • @mikapeltokorpi7671
    @mikapeltokorpi7671 Před 11 měsíci

    My coworker said, that she had to go to dealership for factory update, as they can not do OTA due compatibility issues. ID.3, but this could apply to ID.4, too.

  • @stopthefomo
    @stopthefomo Před rokem +5

    Volvo C40 with android auto has been near flawless for the last 14 months of ownership. Software issues like mapping were updated over the air about six months later. This is why I’m considering the new EX 90.

    • @user-hc5cg3jc3i
      @user-hc5cg3jc3i Před 11 měsíci

      Because Volvo is the technology and platform resources of Geely's sub-brand of new energy electric vehicle brand Polar Krypton

  • @nonamesnoneed3545
    @nonamesnoneed3545 Před rokem +6

    I am a first adopter of FORD EV's (lightning) honestly Ford has been amazing, I had the tail light issue and ford corporate was all over it. They also gave me warranty extensions and even offered to cover my gas bill on my other car. The truck is amazing. My buddy bought one and had an accident first day he had it, tail light took about 2 weeks to get. His was one of the first delivered units.
    I needed a truck and this truck does everything I need and it has not disappointed. VW dropped the ball for sure.

    • @nothere572
      @nothere572 Před rokem +1

      Ford has their issues too. The Mach-E stalling because of battery issues, the Lightning stopping production because one caught on fire.. the ID.4 is good, all first year cars have some issues for some people.

  • @7443jan
    @7443jan Před 11 měsíci +1

    I have a Landrover TD 5 from the year 2000, no problems. I have a 2007 BMW Z4, no problems. I have A 2018 Nissan Micra, no problems. No early adopter issues here. The only real problems are the batteries that i have to change every 7 or so years.

  • @dominiquecharriere1285
    @dominiquecharriere1285 Před 11 měsíci

    I’ve been given a Skoda Enyaq by the company I work for (1 year old, 60k kms) and in the first 2 months I had a little accident (no dead angle alert, not even a dead angle mirror), a broken bumper (close radar alert works randomly), a burst wheel and a flat tire (car is too heavy to go with the Kodiaq tires). I have the same issue with the entertainment screen (unresponsive), the Bluetooth drives me mad (many times it plays the radio and the phone at the same time for no reasons), the electric windows buttons (sometimes it works first hand, sometimes you need to insist 2-3 times). And of course the cable get stuck every 2 charges, without any reasons. It’s a very pleasant drive but all these little issues and poor materials, plus the total lack of public chargers in Spain (not VAG fault) make that I mostly drive my moto, the car being in a parking or at the repair, I just don’t care for it and I pray I get a petrol or hybrid car asap! A pity.

  • @rafalg2113
    @rafalg2113 Před 11 měsíci +16

    Shocking. They've received so much criticism for their electronics/software with the launch of ID3 that I was convinced that they've probably fixed the most of it by now.

    • @madelaki
      @madelaki Před 11 měsíci +4

      They're trying their best to beat out Peugeot at killing their own customers through electronic failures.

    • @kevinwalton4538
      @kevinwalton4538 Před 11 měsíci

      Have you owned one before I comment?

    • @Chainyanker007
      @Chainyanker007 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Last I heard a few months ago VW was going to have a Chinese software company do its EV software.

    • @nnnnnn3647
      @nnnnnn3647 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Germans are good in tanks but no software. This country is in 1990 in terms of electronics, software, mobile services, car software.

    • @madelaki
      @madelaki Před 11 měsíci

      @@nnnnnn3647 Germany was really good at software at one point in the 00s. Several of the most impressive projects I heard about back then were one man projects out of Germany. Idk what happened since then

  • @EvanSamuels
    @EvanSamuels Před rokem +37

    Yes - the ‘23 is much improved on all these issues. VW is still dragging their feet on the ota updates though. If/when that happens there should be even more refinements and features which they’ve been bragging about for a year but still haven’t unlocked them.

    • @RickS2R
      @RickS2R Před rokem +10

      I had an ID.4, worst car ever, got a Polestar 2, have had 3 OTA since buying it last year...with substantial enhancements every time...a night and difference from the train wreck that is VW software,

    • @Chainyanker007
      @Chainyanker007 Před rokem +6

      I drive a ‘20 Tesla model S, I get an OTA update every 4-5 weeks without fail. Around the holidays it is every 2-3 weeks.

    • @mr.wizeguy8995
      @mr.wizeguy8995 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Chainyanker007 So 10 year with 40 updates each year which means over 400 updates and car STILL has many software issue, must be record.

    • @Chainyanker007
      @Chainyanker007 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@mr.wizeguy8995 - Read more carefully, update every 4-5 weeks more often around the holidays so about 10-12 a year. Mt MS is 3.5 yr old. The free OTA updates add new functionality, nice cosmetic feature or in some cases add to the Toybox, once in a while there will be one that is for minor software fixes. The car is definitely more capable now then when I first got it. Example: added a feature where it chimes once when the light turns green and the car in front moves and you don’t, you can turn it off. A feature that detects large potholes and will instantly lift the car, mine has air suspension, or leaves it riding higher if the road is full of potholes. When I first got it the range was 370 miles, an update 3 months later raised it to 392, then another 3-4 months it went to 402, all thru improvements to the BMS software. Bet your car doesn’t get better with time.

    • @mr.wizeguy8995
      @mr.wizeguy8995 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@Chainyanker007 I multiply once too much in my head but still over 40 updates at least.
      If range is increased by software it has been most likely limited in first place and giving fake impression that car became better.
      If you haven't notice that Tesla main goal has been from start make car as cheap as possible and price was as high as possible.
      Now they had to lower price because many people are more interest quality than cheap looking expensive car.

  • @steveschwartz2571
    @steveschwartz2571 Před 10 měsíci

    We rented a new one of these for a couple of days in France a couple of weeks ago. Very comfortable and power enough for me but that software is nuts! The voice activation kept interrupting us when we were talking (and we couldn't find a way to turn it off) we had to whisper to each other. The map had a habit of going blank just seconds before some critical navigation was required. And yes, my iphone got really really hot on the charger pad. Also seemed to develop an annoying wind noise after we wound the window down at a highway toll. Glad it was only a short rental.

  • @steventogami898
    @steventogami898 Před 11 měsíci

    Thanks for your honest review. The ID.4 was on my short list. Ended up getting the new Nissan Ariya. Love it, so far!

    • @mr.foxwiz1653
      @mr.foxwiz1653 Před 10 měsíci +1

      I would like to get the Ariya but the $7,500 federal tax credit is not available. It is available with the ID.4. Plus VW is adding another $3,000 off. I drove it today and now I am investigating the vehicle.

    • @steventogami898
      @steventogami898 Před 10 měsíci

      I agree on the EV tax credit, + the discount makes the ID.4 an attractive vehicle in the under $60K price range!
      As the Ariya was made in Japan, there was no tax credit. I read all the ID.4 reviews, looked at the interior/exterior styling, and paid the $59K OTD total for the Nissan Ariya.
      Good luck on your EV purchase. @@mr.foxwiz1653

  • @kronosaurelius
    @kronosaurelius Před rokem +3

    I am a happy ID.4 2021 owner.
    All of the UI issues happen in my case as well. And they become really annoying sometimes, but they happen sometimes, not all the times
    I have not had the car broken down at all, although I have just done maybe 4 road trips in 2 years.
    And I thin VW already fixed that because I took it to the dealer for 3 recalls.
    All in all, I still recommend the ID.4 as the best value EV.
    I am on a wait list to buy a Aptera so you know where I am coming from. I am about efficiency and the zero carbon life. So the UI issues are not a deal breaker.
    hopefully I will be able to update you guys ( and the ID.4 forums ) when I have had the car for five,10 and 20 years.

  • @randygreen7871
    @randygreen7871 Před rokem +17

    Alex, what I really appreciate about you is your unbiased honesty! Thank for producing another brutally honest video about the good and bad experiences you encountered with your ID4. I wish you the best and look foward to seeing this next chapter of your life unfolding in Thailand.

    • @Gay-is-_-trash
      @Gay-is-_-trash Před rokem

      I fcking hate all EV

    • @CyAn-S
      @CyAn-S Před rokem

      The moment he said that the Taycan was an embarrassment all credibility of this review just got thrown out the window. It gets good range (EPA numbers have been beaten by 20%-30% or even almost 40% at times), looks fantastic, drives amazing and charges insanely fast. Only downside is the software not being Tesla grade, but it is not terrible.
      This is clearly just him making a controversial video before he moves to a place where he can basically only review Chinese cars.

    • @Gay-is-_-trash
      @Gay-is-_-trash Před rokem

      @@CyAn-S All EV are trash..

    • @CyAn-S
      @CyAn-S Před rokem +1

      @@Gay-is-_-trash ok bud

    • @Custo911
      @Custo911 Před 11 měsíci +1

      He has been a very pro VW CZcamsr until they cut him off. Then he became honest.
      I guess now he will dump on VW just as he does on Tesla even though new cars don't have the issues anymore.

  • @leelydston1225
    @leelydston1225 Před 11 měsíci

    I do not own an ID.4
    But when you spoke about tire pressure warnings? I immediately thought of my C-Max Hybrid which has a low tire pressure warning system. The only real problem is, it does nt identify 'which' tire is low or if it's the front tires or the rear tires.
    So, it's off to the races by adding air to all 4 tires at which point the TP warming onkly goes off after a half mile of driving. Harrumph!
    Other issues (maybe you have the same in the VW) the touch screen started acting up. If I touch a preprogrammed radio station, it would not recognize my touch. When I touched it a 2nd time, it recognized that touch in addition to the 1st touch and then proceeded to set my current station to the radial of the station I wanted to switch too.
    Of course while this was occurring, voice control was completely useless since it responded just like the touch screen.
    Evidently it was a failure of some control module which got replaced and everything worked fine except, now, on occasion, when I start the car, the radio (which we leave on a preset station) will switch over to AM fr some unknown reason.
    Sometimes, the convenience of electronics that go bad makes one miss the real convenience of the old fashioned mechanical methods of listening to the radio?
    Lastly, home charging. For whatever reasons, my wall charger now likes to trip my GFI breaker and then its a question of 'which GFI got tripped'? On one occasion, I knew pretty quick because the garage door opener stopped working. On another occsion, I hadn't know it tripped until the meats in a freezer started stinking up the garage.
    The dealership says everything is ok but, for safety's sake nd the fact that breakers keep getting tripped, I either don't charge the car or add a brand new circuit specifically for the car. For financial reasons, I did NOT choose the latter.

  • @Foersom_
    @Foersom_ Před 11 měsíci

    I bought a Skoda Enyaq 80X, sister model of VW ID-4. Software ME 3.1, it is good! There are thing in the software I would like them to improve, but it do not have any of the problems shown in the video here.

  • @wattski05
    @wattski05 Před rokem +12

    So sorry about your ID 4. experience. I guess I got an anti-lemon. My ID4. has been flawless and a joy to drive. 2 years in and going strong!

  • @peterwright837
    @peterwright837 Před rokem +12

    Thanks for sharing your story with the VW ID.4. I’ve been driving EV’s since 2011, 2 Leafs and 2 Bolts. Just turned in the 2020 Bolt this weekend and replaced it with a Kia EV6 GT-line AWD. Really enjoying the many new features and more comfortable ride so far. Good luck in Thailand!

    • @FM-pi9mj
      @FM-pi9mj Před rokem +1

      How is the software experience in the ev6?

    • @peterwright837
      @peterwright837 Před rokem +4

      @@FM-pi9mj so far so good. Even got an over the air update four days after I got the car. Just minor updates to infotainment and navigation screens.

    • @kronosaurelius
      @kronosaurelius Před rokem +1

      That is a great choice. I am not a car guy so I am keeping my ID.4 pretty much for live, but if I was on the market today I would go with the EV6 too.

    • @sandyfordd1843
      @sandyfordd1843 Před rokem

      What a beautiful car, best of luck with it. From an Ionic 5 owner, another great EV, but GT Line is just so gorgeous.

  • @MB-gd6be
    @MB-gd6be Před 7 měsíci

    How were you able to end your lease early for moving to overseas, might be in the same boat?

  • @LcFan96
    @LcFan96 Před 11 měsíci

    the tpms needs to be resettet every time you change the tyre pressure. which is done with the "set" button in the infotainment, because its an indirect measuring system. it has no sensors in the wheels, it measures the pressure via abs wheelspeed sensors

  • @martinterra
    @martinterra Před rokem +4

    Alex, you seem to have a pattern in your relationships, cars, countries, ladies, ..., stay and fight!

  • @Tijn-gp1oh
    @Tijn-gp1oh Před 11 měsíci +3

    I,m very happy with my ID4 GTX (2023). No issues with the car and software. The range is perfect even with all family members and their luggage. Driving is fun and easy. I know early adopters had their fair share of issues, but that seems to be resolved, at least for the models produced from 2022 onwards.

  • @DroneManMurphy
    @DroneManMurphy Před 11 měsíci

    Are most of the software issues around Android compatibility? Have Apple users had any better success?

  • @jmcbike
    @jmcbike Před 11 měsíci

    I have an aftermarket PX6 head unit in my Camry, had some of the same problems as you experienced. I found that Android Auto worked at first, then died. But, found that it is easier and better to just activate WiFi hotspot on the phone, and the PX6 connects to WiFi perfectly, and works better (more apps available on the PX6) than Android Auto. Need to be signed in to your Google account or your PX6 Google apps will crash.

  • @ChrisBarnes199
    @ChrisBarnes199 Před rokem +7

    Have had a Model Y LR for 8 months now and not one issue. The only service appointment we made was to have someone install the roof rack we bought and they came to the house and installed it for free as well as checked the tire inflation.
    Just like being an early adopter with the ID 4 being an early adopter with the Model S put you in a spot to see the worst side of Tesla.
    I think you need to get a Model 3 and find out all you issues with Tesla are historical. Not that Tesla or the Model 3 are perfect but they do not have any of the software issues you described with the ID4.

    • @thoos192
      @thoos192 Před 11 měsíci

      No Tesla fanboy ever has any problems with their Tesla. They all can go like 1 000 000 miles without charging despite pulling 3 caravans in a snowstorm. It is soooo cheap and never need any service. That is the story every single time. Problem is no one believes you, just look at the panel gaps or fogged up lights and anyone can see that Teslas quality is shit poor. And this youtube channel had a bunch of problems that made him change brand. Do you really think Tesla worked out a complete trashcan to be a huge success now? No, of course not. They still suck.

    • @walex19
      @walex19 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Exactly

  • @AndreasOKleutgens
    @AndreasOKleutgens Před rokem +48

    Agreeing to most of what you say. Had some bad experiences myself being one of the first ID.4 users ion Germany and neared being an early adopter. Still I loved the car so much that after two years and 50,000 km I got a new one with Software 3.2. The German App is way better than the US version. No idea, why they are different in the first place. CarPlay worked great for me all the way.

    • @cmontes7961
      @cmontes7961 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Being the early adopter is going to be rough no matter what. This guy complains way too much.😂

    • @anthonyinzerillo2804
      @anthonyinzerillo2804 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Just buy a Benz. Preferably with combustion engine, but their EV line is also great. Galaxies ahead of VW especially in terms of reliability and quality.

    • @baronvonjo1929
      @baronvonjo1929 Před 11 měsíci +3

      This is a huge issue for VW. They barely try in the US.

    • @jasoneldridge4738
      @jasoneldridge4738 Před 11 měsíci +3

      For some reason , any Vw built in or designed for US market are way worse than the European built models .

    • @baronvonjo1929
      @baronvonjo1929 Před 11 měsíci

      @@jasoneldridge4738 That's up to VW to fix. Other automakers can build the same quality in nations all around the world.

  • @mankvlpwnz
    @mankvlpwnz Před 11 měsíci

    For Tiguan 22 (EU version) If sound disappears in AA, just start radio and go back to AA, and it works again, but this is a rare problem. Looks like all these new touch VAG infotainments have the same problem of just shutting down, not only in ID4

  • @Rob34570
    @Rob34570 Před 11 měsíci

    Interesting comments regarding the tyre pressure monitoring and the backup camera and the main screen.
    These exact issues exist on my 2015 golf, so it seems they’ve done very little in the way of resolving them.
    As I see it the tyre pressure system is a boy who cried wolf system. Best plan would be to put 15psi in all 4 tyres, then “set “ the pressures in the infotainment system. Then go and inflate to the normal 32-36psi.
    The backup camera randomly dies and the only fix is to turn off the car, lock it and start it up again.
    The screen also randomly goes blank, fix for that is to hold the lh knob in for about a minute until it reboots.
    Tesla is more of a software company than vw so it’s not surprising that vw are afraid to push out updates

  • @tolbatolbabardosqww2646
    @tolbatolbabardosqww2646 Před rokem +8

    You saved me from the ID4 trap a year ago.... THANK YOU..

  • @QMaverick1
    @QMaverick1 Před 11 měsíci +7

    This just makes me glad that I bought a Mach-E instead. Problems with it have been mostly non-existent except for the HVBJB recall (which I got fixed without too much trouble). They've been really good about getting OTA updates out (I've had 2 in the past month), and there are very few (and very minor) issues left. The OTA I got yesterday is actually supposed to fix the worst of the lingering problems (sometimes when I'd get in when using my phone as a key, it'd disconnect AFTER it had already let me open the door, so I'd have to wait for a little bit before I could turn the car on (which was annoying, but didn't happen ALL of the time).

    • @jeetpatel6087
      @jeetpatel6087 Před 11 měsíci

      The fact that you overpaid for a car that gives you issues makes you an idiot. Just buy a regular Toyota it’s not that hard and buying 2nd hand is cheaper and better for the environment then buying new

  • @a.m.9357
    @a.m.9357 Před 11 měsíci

    Screen suddenly going blank? This is why we should never let manufacturers put all the essential controls on a stupid screen. It can suddenly disappear, while a physical button can't just randomly disappear even if it tried!

  • @k.abangbang7456
    @k.abangbang7456 Před 10 měsíci

    I'm a Canadian Id4 owner and my car has been bought and serviced at Bramgate VW . The car has been with them since April 22nd, that over 3 months and counting. They said the part will come on July 13 which changed to July 31st which now changed to we have no idea when the part will come or even if it will ever come. At this point I doubt I will ever see the car again. All I get is sorry its too bad.

  • @ThomasHaberkorn
    @ThomasHaberkorn Před 11 měsíci +6

    As for any other daily driver, reliability is key

    • @jamesterakazis6624
      @jamesterakazis6624 Před 11 měsíci

      ...and yet many cliché BS comments on the internet about "Alfa Romeo" reliability, meanwhile Alfa SMOKES the Germans in reliability...check out 2023 J D Power initial reliability survey...
      FORZA ALFA BABY !!!!
      THE KING IS BACK !!!!

  • @pkbrown58
    @pkbrown58 Před 11 měsíci +14

    Thanks for delivering your reasonably objective assessment of the ID.4 EV. You were constructive and sited evidence that puts truth on the table, critical for consumers laying big money out for high tech transportation. I'm hopeful VW is responding to real customer experiences and feedback.

  • @tedleer9296
    @tedleer9296 Před 11 měsíci

    I own 2 Volkswagen’s a golf 7 gte and a t6.1, they never have these issues.
    Everything works perfectly, my phone connects super fast.
    We also have a different app in Europe for some reason.

  • @Brentolini23
    @Brentolini23 Před 8 měsíci

    Just yesterday we bought a fully loaded ‘23. I never go with the first year of a car that’s the opportunity to see what’s going on with them (good/bad). We traded in our Kia Sorento cause gas is way too expensive in California and my wife only does City we spent over $300 in gas last month and barely put on 500 miles on the car.
    So we love the ID4 it of course takes some getting used to, something I’m not thrilled about but it drives beautifully and it super quiet even on the highway.
    No folding mirrors, no end call button for calls, low end quality back up cam. But that’s all I have to zonk it for. We love it. Sometimes you get bad lemons

  • @nothere572
    @nothere572 Před rokem +7

    Very clickbaitey title and thumbnail, you act like the main reason you sold the car was because it “sucked” but a big reason of it is because you’re moving to Thailand. Which you didn’t mention until half way through the video, that feels disingenuous to me.
    A lot of this video seems like an overreaction too. The Android Auto rant that takes up too much time than it should. Android Auto sucks, I’ve had connection issues with multiple cars and phones. You having what looks like an old Google Pixel doesn’t help either, those are known for having glitchy and faulty hardware and software. Your phone overheating is not going to be ONLY the cars fault. Every car I’ve used with CarPlay works as it should while I’ve had so many issues with Android Auto. It’s not really a safety issue either, you shouldn’t be trying to fix Android Auto while driving you should pull over always.
    You spend so much time complaining about small issues like the Android Auto and dont really talk about the actual issues like the 12v issues causing the car to brick. The 12v issues were also to be addressed in the recall update to 2021 models you had right before you sold it so they should not happen anymore.
    I appreciate you saying the 2022 and 2023s are better, because they are. I have one and I love love love it. No issues at all and it’s comfortable with great range charging and price.
    Not saying these issues are ok but if you’re buying a brand new year one car model with a completely new powertrain there’s most likely to be issues. Even a year one car from a company that’s known for being reliable like Toyota can have major issues. You should avoid first year cars if you don’t want issues. 2022 and 2023 ID.4s do not have many issues.

    • @guse1219
      @guse1219 Před rokem +1

      Android Auto is the reason I finally switched to an iPhone.

  • @ednitsche8188
    @ednitsche8188 Před 11 měsíci +13

    I’m in the process of selecting my first EV, and found this video by chance. So glad I saw this.

  • @samuelwilliams7331
    @samuelwilliams7331 Před 11 měsíci

    It was nice to run into you in Htown. Glad you enjoyed your visit. Good luck in Thailand.

  • @Die_Walkure
    @Die_Walkure Před 8 měsíci +1

    The fact that you liked Houston TX more than Austin says everything I need to know. 🎉

  • @alexd302
    @alexd302 Před rokem +21

    I've had my Model 3 for 3 & 1/2 years and have had absolutely zero issues. So glad to be a Tesla owner when I hear about your issues.

    • @CyAn-S
      @CyAn-S Před rokem +9

      You talk as if not a single Tesla owner has had issues, and as if all VW owners have had these issues he mentioned. Real world does not work like that.

    • @crk58241
      @crk58241 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Consumer Reports picked theTesla model 3 in it's lineup of the top 10 most recommended cars to purchase for 2023. In other words, it works and is very reliable.

    • @andrasbiro3007
      @andrasbiro3007 Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@CyAn-S
      True, but statistically Teslas have much less issues, especially the frequent and the crippling ones. And as you see the customer service issues are not unique to Tesla either. Still the biggest issue for Tesla, but it's not a unique issue.
      And even in service Tesla does some things much better. For example the mobile service is awesome, and I don't think anyone else has it.

    • @thoos192
      @thoos192 Před 11 měsíci

      No Tesla fanboy ever has any problems with their Tesla. They all can go like 1 000 000 miles without charging despite pulling 3 caravans in a snowstorm. It is soooo cheap and never need any service. That is the story every single time. Problem is no one believes you, just look at the panel gaps or fogged up lights and anyone can see that Teslas quality is shit poor. And this youtube channel had a bunch of problems that made him change brand. Do you really think Tesla worked out a complete trashcan to be a huge success now? No, of course not. They still suck.

    • @hannsmusster6919
      @hannsmusster6919 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@crk58241 Well Consumer Report here in Europe tells a different story and guess what, cars have to be checked after three years for safety here in Europe and Tesla fails with over 10% after the first 3 years, Volkswagen is just in the lower 2%. Tesla is just a Smartphone on wheels, but not a very good car, to much hype around it. Tesla will have big issues if they not offer more models, where is the electric Bus oder Pickup, cyber truck is still a joke, no F150 driver will buy such an ugly thing.

  • @nh7399
    @nh7399 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Dude talking about how bad is car. Literally first 2 points: my phone doen't work, my phone overheats.

  • @unclerichard6729
    @unclerichard6729 Před 11 měsíci

    I have the same Android Auto issues in my Honda which led to me just deleting it, so it's not the car but the app. Didn't know about the CZcams quick fix though, I may have to reinstall and try again.
    And the tire pressure monitor in the Honda? The dealership told us that there is NOT any actual tire pressure monitors in the car. They told us that anytime the vehicle doesn't get the gas mileage it thinks it should be getting it turns on the low tire pressure warning. Wonder if the VW is operating the same way?

  • @Wozzaatwozza
    @Wozzaatwozza Před 11 měsíci +1

    Wow thank you I was going to buy an ID4 and found your video just search for cool ID4 videos and instead found yours.
    Thanks

  • @dchow007
    @dchow007 Před rokem +7

    Alex, I have been following your channel for a few years. After buying a model 3 in 2021, we decided to buy another EV. Being a Tesla owner, the 2nd EV was not going to be a Tesla. Living in California made it a challenge to buy an EV at a reasonable price. Before deciding on EVs I tried buying a Toyota RAV4 prime prime for a few years but could never find one that wasn't marked up $10K over the MSRP. I ended up ordering a Subaru, VW and Nissan EV. With the ID4 coming out of Tennessee, it was the lowest cost with the tax break. The Subaru was too much like a Toyota EV with its low range and high price. Nissan did not communicate with me during the one year wait. After seeing your reviews on the ID4 and finding out VW removed the heat pump as well getting cheap on parts, I cancelled my order the week the car came in. Cancelled the Subaru EV too. Nissan the company sucked but the Ariya was pretty nice. The software sucks but the car drives like nice car and not the rollercoaster M3 ride. Your videos were very helpful in my decision in ending up with the Nissan Ariya.
    I've been to Thailand a few times and love the people and its culture. Good luck to you on the next chapter in your life and channel!!!

    • @wolfgangpreier9160
      @wolfgangpreier9160 Před rokem

      I wish you always 20% battery reserve when visiting a EA charger.

    • @sevencostanza3931
      @sevencostanza3931 Před rokem

      The Nissan Ariya looks nice. Nissans ICE cars they say are not as reliable as Toy & Honda yet my family has 2012 Altima and 2016 Rogue. So far so good, but we put very few miles on each car. The selling point for me with Nissan ICE cars was the much cheaper price the Nissans were, whether used or new. What made you decide on a Nissan Ariya over the Tesla model Y ???

    • @dchow007
      @dchow007 Před rokem

      @@sevencostanza3931 Our other EV is a model 3 and had to bring it in for service. The service department was so so and will only get worst as they sell more cars. Like their supercharger station, there's not enough service station so repairs can take time. The Y is just a bigger version of the 3 but with more power. I missed comfortable seats and headliner grab handles for my mother in law to get in and out of the car. The interior of the Ariya is way nicer and the heads up display is great. The tesla screen, charging speed and navigation is way better than nissan. But I am happy with the Ariya and enjoy taking it out a leisurely drive every once in a while.

  • @FM-pi9mj
    @FM-pi9mj Před rokem +10

    Hilarious! 😂😂😂 Thanks for the laughs and the honest review. I was on the edge of getting one but glad I waited. It's a beautiful car but that software kills it.

    • @saaytin
      @saaytin Před rokem +3

      The '23 model fixes all the issues the first year has. The design annoyances are still there though.

    • @anthonyinzerillo2804
      @anthonyinzerillo2804 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Just buy a Benz

    • @edwardlang5077
      @edwardlang5077 Před 11 měsíci +4

      VW recently fired the entire management of the software division. Maybe something finally changes now.

  •  Před 11 měsíci

    I do own the Seat Leon 2020 (vw group) and had the same issues. OTA fixed almost all of them but before that my car died twice and went to dealer.