The Crimean Naval War at Sea - Battleships, Bombardments and the Black Sea
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- Today we take a look at most of the naval theaters of the Crimean War on conjunction with the fine people @realtimehistory find there video here: • Last Crusade or First ...
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
Real Time History's video here: czcams.com/video/Q-8qqDJWvXw/video.html
What reason was the Russian navy so far behind other countries in Europe especially in the era of steam and the age of sail? Lack of interest? Or was it a lack of technology?
How about a video about HMS Trincomalee sometime?
As Britain's oldest floating warship, I think more people should know more about her.
In the future any video about the russian Twelve Apostles?
There have been various notable naval engagements where the victorious side took advantage of a natural choke point to restrict the enemy fleet’s maneuvers (Salamis, Myeongnyang, Surigao Strait, etc). However, all of the examples I can think of were surface actions. Has there ever been a carrier action where the carrier launched strikes against enemy forces trapped in such a bottleneck?
Was the British navy encouraged to steal instead of burn valuable provisions taken during the many raids. How much value where they able to extract?
Considering Drachinifel's video history, a colored thumbnail can almost be considered as click bait
Truth
I was confused. At first I thought it was another channel that does quality naval history like Historiograph.
He's gone over to the dark side.😥
Or a collaboration with THG, aka The History Guy.
Wait...
Drach! Do such a thing!!!
@@therealuncleowen2588 you mean the blue side? Or the red, or green....
24:25 HMS Trafalgar and Napoléon in the same battle line, that's some twilight zone stuff there
It's so weird to hear Drach repeatedly mention places that are normally associated with a subject he would avoid entirely
The way things are going, Russia will soon be fielding these ships again. Then drach will be back in business.
@@benholroyd5221 Honestly, they might. I can’t wait to see them strap a couple tank guns to Communa and try to pretend that she is now a major surface combatant, or to see Aurora tasked to escort the Kuznetsov. We could take bets on which one of them would make more smoke on a given day.
@@benholroyd5221 Will we see a return of the Kamchatka?
@@JdeMonster If that Cursed Ship ever comes back then everyone is screwed.
@@americankid7782 Russia should bring it back in service. By the time it sees battle the whole fleet would get almost immediately destroyed.
10:54 - Even _more_ of a mess when you consider that Egypt was _still formally part of the Ottoman Empire_ at this time!
Working on our documentary on the Crimean War, we only realized how this war was happening at such a transitional point of time. Had no idea how true this was also was on the Naval theatres.
As someone currently writing their senior project on the Crimean War and how it relates to my home country, its kind of shocking how still TO THIS DAY we dismiss the war based on the shit that British ppl wrote about it as ‘useless’ and ‘unnecessary’ becuz of that famous charge. That one poem has pretty much denied a proper historiographical consideration for this war which extremely important, I mean it literally altered major world powers and relations forever. It weakened Austria, it led to Germany and Italy unifying, it created this Anglo-Russian rivalry that lasted centuries almost and created the Great Game that affected a whole continent, it was a watershed moment for all sorts of technologies, first major use of telegraph, steam warships, railways. It also was a pretty crucial step towards WW1 and modern warfare developments. Yet barely anyone knows this war. I mean its old, sure, but everyone knows Napoleon, yet you barely hear of this war or are taught about it commonly.
@@GuineaPigEveryday We got Alaska. I know that much.
It's a really interesting time period and area of the world. This is one of my favorite Recent Drac videos.
In a rhyming history these past shenanigans by governments is pertinent to our coming decisions
And sadly our fate
It never occurred to me that Fisher and Cochrane served at the same time, two careers spanning 122 years.
At lease 61 years in service WOW
Considering how everything else in that war went, the naval side actually was surprisingly not-disastrous.
if it wasnt for the navy britain would have been so screwed so many times throughout history.
@@stayhungry1503 almost like were a naval power
Admiral Cochran, warhammer 40,000. 1860's Edition.
Lord Cochrane regenerating into Jackie Fisher would make for a great Doctor Who story. Or would it be Admiral Who? Sea Lord Who?
HAR-HAR-HAR NOT!
Where Winston Churchill is revealed to be a Dalek:
DAR-DA-NELLES! DAR-DA-NELLES!
Very interesting! Thank you. I like to hear baltic operation, I live in Finland we were part of Russia in that time. Operation in Pohjanlahti was total disaster, the British mainly destroyed tar and lumber intended for their own fleet and which they had already paid for. Many have also said that it cannot be considered a great success that the people who were mainly sympathetic to the British were upset that the British Navy destroyed cities, sank ships and killed civilians as collateral losses. Well, these disagreements have been forgotten a long time ago, at least Monty Python's Finland song calmed the bad mood of Finns.
Drach has mentioned in passing just how badly the campaign there went for the British, and just how bad the theater commander was. Would be nice to see a more in depth video on it, for sure.
Yeah, he mentioned that campaign in another video, didn't he?
@@spudgamer6049 Here in Finland, that operation is still remembered by the inspiring and warlike song that was sung at school in my youth, and in Åland there is a Fort that the British bombed to pieces. When I read history later, I noticed that the Finns had acted in the good old fashioned way, and when making upbeat military songs, the very first thing was to hit the truth decisively and thoughtfully with a blunt object. When the truth was dead, or at least so badly injured that it was not possible to mess up a good story with facts, it was possible to tell in a song how the British sailed 300 ships along our coasts and began to shoot the fortresses as well. And in the song, the Finnish boys bravely answered the fire and the cannons made a loud noise. Somehow the song gave the impression that the Finns/Russians won the battle, even though the song doesn't say exactly HOW the battle ended. In any case, I noticed later that the song had been quite economical with the truth.
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@@Beorninki So operation Pohjanlahti "was total disaster" for the ROYAL NAVY resulting in " destroyed cities sank ships" . One can only wonder what the operation would have achieved if operation Pohjanlahti had been considered a great success ? While collateral damage is never a good thing it does sometimes occur during wars between nations who are at war with their enemies . So glad that Monty Python has calmed the bad mood of Finns. The bad mood of the Finns has always been dreaded and feared by we British.
"The Ottomans were on the back foot."
Was that an intentional furniture joke? Because it made me laugh.
It's interesting to hear about the naval actions during the Crimean War. Most media and books revolve around the land war, the siege of Sevastopol, the Charge of the Light Brigade, etc. Over here in the US, the Crimean War is kind of a footnote in mid-late 19th century European affairs, due to the focus on the growing politics and issues that led to the US Civil War.
It's interesting. Depends who writes your books; in the rest of the world the US Civil War is a footnote to global events.
@@GizmoDuck_1860 Ironically American Civil War had entire chapter dedicated to it in school history textbooks back in the USSR.
@090giver090 doesn't shock me in the slightest, the American Civil War was groundbreaking and a watershed moment for warfare
@@robs.2671 Groundbreaking? It was a war fought with linear tactics, like all wars previously had done for about 200 years, and all futures would be until the First World War, and linear tactics were still used in that conflict at the start. The US Civil War was a footnote in history and had zero influence on the world other than to fill newspapers and employ quite a few British Royal Navy half-pay officers as blockage runners.
Yes you guys had to actually read the book to know the other side we kinda just had to read the sparknotes, and then make assumptions based on what the brits told us of you guys
24:24
"Never thought I'd be fighting side-by-side with Napoleon"
"What about a friend?"
"Aye I'd do that"
Doing some family history, I discovered a great-great-grandfather who was born in Co. Sligo, Ireland and as an adult became a member of the coastguard. He then served in the coastguard along the English southern coast. When the war with the Russian Empire broke out he got enrolled into the Navy (the coastguard being a naval reserve for the RN.) He served on board a transport vessel which headed off to the Crimea, delivered its cargo and returned safely to continue his service in the Coastguard.
This war always fascinated me. One of the few with actual photographs of ships of the line duking it out.
I'm surprised the 1836 HMS Volcano didn't get a mention. The RN anticipated a campaign with their new steam-powered navy being distant from British Imperial dockyards for extended periods, so commissioned a depot ship with workshops. And a steam sawmill; lots of local lumber was converted into timber for onshore construction
Everyone here know that Drach just guested on Unauthorized History of the Pacific War? It's the most recent podcast and a good CZcams channel.
I had seen that there was an episode about O'Kane and the Tang, but not that Drach was the guest. Thanks.
@@kemarisite At 1:43:42 Drach talked of a drink called Everclear. I spit coffee on the screen and the other two were all "yeah, we know of Everclear".
I hope I'm not the only one whom watches the Wednesday Rum Ration with a proper jug of rum on hand.
Just Grog. Too early in Germany for the good stuff, but wanna watch it right away.
Isn't it obligatory anyway?
Monkey Shoulder Scotch.
Meh, close enough!
Cheers big ears!!!😂😂
Lunch with some tea
Not yet Obligatory Rum checks start next month.
Meanwhile Japan: 😮 what are those black ships spewing smoke?
52:23
"Russian Pacific Squadron" and "Sea of Kamtchatka" seems an ominous pairing...
Hey Drach, I was wondering if you considered doing a video on the little known Battle of Ko Chang during the even less known franco-thai war of 1940-41?
An old French light cruiser and 4 ww1 vintage avisos raiding the Thai naval base at Ko chang and sinking a third of their fleet without being hit once, including the modern italian made destroyers and even more modern coastal defense ships of japanese design.
The battle with the ducks? 😉😁😂
@@khaelamensha3624 quack quack
“HMS President, the like-for-like copy of the prize that had been taken in the War of 1812 when the latter had rotted out”
Wow. That’s petty. GG Britain, I’m impressed XD
As an American, this makes me chuckle. A good trolling is something to appreciate.
Ooh brilliant. I've read so many Russian (well, Soviet) sources about the Crimean war as a kid, this is what I was waiting for!
so you think crimea is a greek tropical island like the rest of russia
@@colinobrien3806 Sure, why not
The fourth allied power, albeit smaller than Britain France and the Ottomans, was Piedmont-Sardinia. Did they send any war ships to Crimea?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_expeditionary_corps_in_the_Crimean_War
Interesting and timely. I'm a fan of the 60s Movie: "Charge of the Light Brigade" which has some brief scenes 'at sea' giving the impression that they had some rough weather and lost some horses.
I also enjoyed the big picture forward narration to explain the motives leading to the action. And the world map layout showing Alaska as part of the Russian Empire at the time.
The loss of horses depicted in the film is based on fact - the ships carrying the British cavalry to the Balkans were not fitted out for transporting horses, and the animals were not properly secured from being thrown about in rough weather. The book "The Reason Why" by Cecil Woodham-Smith (which focuses mainly on the personalities of Lord Raglan, Lord Lucan and Lord Cardigan, whose failings led to the Charge of the Light Brigade) incudes an account by a junior cavalry officer of the horrific conditions aboard one of the troopships during a storm in the Bay of Biscay.
Thank you. You add some solid depth to an interesting movie which had comedy, drama, and some humorous animations.
Surprised bad Vlad hasn't tried to get it back.
Looking forward to this one
And it happening again
What?
@@jacklucas5908
Once again Russia is fighting a war to try and defend its occupation of Ukraine primarily to gain a Black Sea harbour and dominate that region for imperial ambitions of empire.
Geographers: You are calling it the "Crimean war". Crimea is in...
Historians: Well yes, but *actually* Petropavlovsk also gets bombarded.
Confused, angry, Geographer noises
From unauthorized pacific war with Drach to the rum ration. Good morning so far.
It would be interesting for Drachinifel to do a Wednesday special on Cochrane a man who was not only probably the finest frigate/cruiser(using the original meaning of the term cruiser)captain the RN ever had,political radical,inventor and helper to liberation movements all over the place and who was also the spiritual if not actual ancestor of the Royal Marines Commando(also the Boy Scout movement)and all similar forces as well as by the use of kites creating the use of naval"air". A man dubbed the"Sea Wolf"by Napoleon and who could by his exploits overawe the Dey of Algiers(leader of the major pirate stronghold in North Africa). It would also be interesting to speculate what would have happened if Cochrane as was planned had been the flag captain to his uncle during the war of 1812
As an American who has done some light study on this man in the past on his exploits I can safely say I would be scared if Cochrane took part in the war of 1812
I think my brain is growing barnacles, from hanging out in this channel, good stuff!
Drink beer as your brain grows .......LOL
You gotta feed your barnacles.
Thanks for the video.
One of your very best yet, Drach.
Nice one Drach.Very good history...Thanks
Hey drach, loved hearing you on the unauthorized history of the pacific war with Seth and Bill, on o'kane and tang, loved hearing you on it!!!!
OMG, I was just thinking about this war, nice one Drach!
Some great paintings in here, Drac!
Incredible!
It is always nice to see you collaborate with the good folk at realtimehistory.
One of your best videos, please keep making gems like this one
Thanks for the video it was informative and interesting.
Starkes Format!
oh man, how I enjoyed the story, and the images. Thank you very much for your work.
Thanks for this history. In many ways helps to make sense of why there is such a repetition of conflict. Same basic issues, same adversaries and why the current events seem just like those portrayed in your video.
this is a timely discussion of history, worth remembering in these times.
Do you think the experiences of this campaign in the Mediterranean and Black Seas influenced the French and Brittish when they planned the ill-fated naval attack on the Ottoman Empire in the Great War?
The british maps of the Dardanelles used for the landing hadn't been updated: they dated back from those operations.
World class. Thank you from America again....
From Sail to unmanned satalite driven drones, 150 years plus after changing hands a dozen times people are still fighting over that damn spit of land...kinda tragic.
Time Lord style... love it!
Nice graphics good narration
I'll be revisiting your Second Pacific Fleet video (for the umteenth time) soon. Brilliant.
It is interesting and fun to see a 19th century naval video reference Dr. who .
Hyped about the upcoming reboot
While my understanding of the Crimean War is limited, I have never heard of action taking place in the Pacific. Coverage of that theater was interesting.
I love going back to these old ones if only for the theme music.
Age of Sail; Splendid stuff. 😄👍
Yes finally Drach, now let’s have more Nelson and the Seven years War naval operations.
Excellent upload as always . We have been there before , looks like we might be going there again . Hope we do a better job of it this time around.
I recently read Orlando Figes' "The Crimean War". Mr. Figes is a specialist in writing popular histories of Russia. My one complaint was Mr. Figes ignoring the naval component of the actual war. Mr. Drachnifel has filled in this gap.
Tolstoy was an artillery officer serving in Crimea with the Imperial Russian Army. His account of the conflict made his literary career.
The Great Storm of 1854 played a cause in the deprivation of British Expeditionary Force during the winter on the siege lines. The reporting of the condition of the troops by William Howard Russell for the London Times led to the downfall of the Aberdeen government.
the small comedy made me chuckle.
great storytelling!
Thanks!
The guns from HMS Tiger were recovered by the Russians and (some of them at least) guard the Potemkin Steps and Odessa harbour.
Just one in front of the city hall
Very good!
Came here via Real Time History. Great video!
Cool story. More like this, please.
An excellent video, I am looking forward to the Baltic section.
An excellent video 📹
The very first modern 'World War.
Nice vid. I was able to use the Black Sea geography info, I have somehow acquired, over the last 400 odd days.
Lucky you added 'at sea". We might have thought it was the naval war on land, or in space.
"The war of Åland was terrible, hurrah, hurrah, hurrah. When with 300 ships sailed the Englishmen on the shores of our Finland Sumfaraa, sumfaraa, sumfarallallalaa Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah." Finnish was song about the Crimean War.
wow now this one is good
I hope he does a video on the Crimean Naval war on land, I'd like to see what that is
Victorian landships, obviously :P
You would need the longest dance card ever conceived of to keep track of this series of naval engagements. Whew!
"A confusing mess" That describes the whole war. From cause, through implementation, to the final outcome. Good job trying to give us some history seldom talked about today.
Time lord reference, classic.😀
This video is even better than you regular content
Wow, I’ve never been this early. Looks to be a good one!
The last naval war under sail... and the first naval war under steam.
I knew about the war in the Pacific, but hadn't heard about the attacks on the Alaskan coasts. Neat.
Excellent history course on the Crimean Naval War. At university my prof. spent six weeks covering in the same topic, and was able to put the entire class to sleep. Would love to have taken that course with Drachinifel instead. :)
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Really a war that was much more interesting then I used to give it credit for
I greatly respect you for making this content that I enjoy so dearly, I would humbly ask if you could cover the theories of Raoul Castex
this was very interesting! I hope you are still interested in continuing this
Neat
8:38 Interesting fact although it may seem a bit crazy to ask Cochrane most famous for his actions during the Napoleonic war to plan an attack with a fleet increasingly reliant on steam power. He was actually very forward thinking when he was Admiral of the Brazilian navy he had constructed the first Ocean going Steam powered warships and the first cross the Atlantic, which was the 20 gun PS Rising Star commissioned in 1822. It was never used in action as the war was almost over, it had an interesting design of internal paddle wheels to protect them a bit more from cannon fire. Not content with that as Admiral of the Greek Navy, one of his ships was the first ever Steam warship to participate in combat which was the Karteria commissioned in 1826 and first saw combat in 1827 in which it was highly effective. This again involves Cohrane, he and another British naval officer Frank Abney Hastings, while employed by the Greek navy set out a plan to build 6 Steam warships and razee two 74 gun ship of the line to form the core of the Greek fleet. This was at a time no other navy had 1 ocean going Steam warship. Let alone 6. In the end only 1 Steam warship arrived and instead of razeeing 2 74 gun ships of the line, they had their heavy frigates built in the USA. Due to the contacts in the USA spending most of the money on themselves the Greeks only received one Frigate.
Thanks for the video. As always excellent and with that wonderful dry humour of yours. One important thing is driven home is the massive size and capability of the British Royal Navy at the time. Yes it is supported by the French but the RN is fighting around the globe for basically 3 years and increasing the size of its commitment each year.
Also it blows away the old myth that ironclads first appeared in the American Civil War where clearly the French had ocean going iron clads that could traverse the Mediterranean (assuming they started in Toulon) and Black Sea something nether the Union nor Confederate Ironclads were capable of under their own steam.
I hope one day you will do the 3 Anglo-Dutch Wars and the roles of Blake, Tromp, de Ruyter, James Duke of York, Monck and to my delight Prince Rupert (who I discovered commanded a fleet thrice the size of Nelson's at Trafalgar). A fascinating series of wars and personalities as well as being a much more challenging series of wars than many the Royal Navy later fought in (and may have been the foundation of a strong navy going forward).
I know next to nothing about the wider Crimean War; others have covered the land campaign on CZcams, and in other media, but not the naval operations. They seem pretty one sided in these theaters, but I guess that isn't surprising given the disparity in the sizes of the navies. I'm looking forward to hearing about the Baltic Campaign. Your coverage of it for the post WW1 period was very interesting and also something I previously hadn't known about.
This era of naval development is covered very well in David K Brown's "Before the Ironclad".
The sailing of the light brigade.
The charge of the light battle ship brigade 🚢 ⚓️ 🛳
brig "Aide" :)
Hi Runkle, i can say that as a former CSAR team member with 1/75. We did not have .45 caliber pistols HK or Colt. We carried the M4. Which was by the way burst fire....which i believe the Marine Corp carried the m16a4 until just recently...which was not automatic....it was 3 round burst fire. So the dunce Col is FOS..
I read alot of the Crimean war land operations and the part of both the french and british navy in the siege of sebastopol,even the baltic operations aren't that new to me,but the operations taking out supplies channels,impressive😮😮
After the last year of news I understand the geography of this war so much better.
Slight Audio dipping but awesome as always
In Solovecky Monastery itself the battle is described differently: two British steam frigates: Miranda (15 cannons) and Brisk (14 cannons) vs the monastery defenders 53 invalid soldiers and 2 officers with two 3-pdr cannons and eight even smaller training ones, supported by 200 monks, 370 pilgrims and 20 prisoners.
On July 6th (18th) the British warships opened fire on approach, the Russians returned fire, Miranda was hit, the British retreated.
On July 7th (19th) the British warships returned, with an ultimatum demanding surrender. Russians refused. British bombarded the monastery for 9 hours keeping their distance, afraid of return fire.
On July 8th (20th) the British pirates retreated, burning and pillaging other undefended churches, villages and Krestny monastery in Onega Bay on Zayachi and Kiy Islands.
Doubtfully the most heroic achievement by British Navy.
I do enjoy Rum Ration Wednesday!
Rum at 8:00 AM Eastern, yes can accommodate. Tipple and cheers
Rum at 10.00 pm Melbourne time is far more suitable.
Out of the clear blue ? A book suggestion for all; When The Dancing Stopped- by Brian Hicks.
While this book is not involving naval matters (or this video of Drach's...), it is a true story of the SS MORRO CASTLE disaster in 1934, off the coast of New Jersey.
It is a great read & very informative. I own 5 books on the subject- this is probably the best of the lot. Trust me- it's worthwhile or I'd not have suggested it !!
Wow! There was a lot going on!
Commander Cowper Phipps Coles would later build the infamous HMS Captain.
WOW!
"The Baltic Fleet had enough issues..." That foreshadowing is so long that you need binoculars.