How does a hub less in wheel electric motor work in solidworks| VeldboomStudios
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Thank you so much... You ease my work... I was looking for same DIY project of Hubless wheels since months... Once again... Thank you
No worries glad i could help
I just saw a beautiful implementation of this hubless motor design in an awesome electric bike, Verge TS made in Finland and I love it
I drew out a propulsion system 99% identical to this in 2006. It used toroidal coils and opposing magnets with the ability to modulate the strength of the electromagnets. Its so crazy to see this because it is so similar to what was in my head. I wasn't an engineering student, but I always thought it made sense. Super cool. I hope you file some patents for what you can. Look at me. smh lol
Nice Concept & good work on the Solidworks.
I think you have a lot of engineering to do regarding keeping contaminants out of the ball bearings and all the rest of the parts that are spinning around.
I have a lot to learn about engineering in general, I’m more of a designer with an obsession for mechanical objects. Thank you!
This would be really cool on the back of an electric motorcycle
How about on all 4 wheels on a car
I worked at that from 1998 till now an I agree with you
In the shop it works great but problems come on road test, weather, rough roads etc
Three things to research, how to wind a brushless motor, how to assemble ball bearings, and how a tire is installed on a rim profile. They will drastically effect your design. Great project, get some of your parts printed at ¼ scale in a resin printer.
Thank you, i will look into it
it would be interesting to see a variable field system implemented in this design
The copper winding on the stator is pointing the magnetic flux in the wrong direction. The way I see it, correct me if I am wrong, is that the positive and negative poles are perpendicular to the permanent magnets. I've never seen an electric motor look like this in my entire life. Please enlighten me with how the whole magnetic field situation works, thanks.
only if he would put permanent magnets oriented sideways also
Lazar Otasevic Yeah ik. I feel like this guy has no idea what he is doing
Hahhaha I actually don't. Im working on an imaginary 2040 future project and im thinking about what might be possible in the future. I dont have any experience in these field.
@@redhotbits I don't think that works well and causes a lot of issues like rotational force on the magnet and coils in the perpendicular direction and the efficiency would be really bad since the magnetic fields of the same poles wouldn't even be pointed at each other. I think he just doesn't understand how magnetic field works and made this to be aesthetic more than anything XD
Its for a video game design. You're correct
What you will find is that dynamic braking (using the motor's output to slow down the wheel) will not be sufficient to stop the vehicle to requirement. This is why all electric vehicles today have clamping brakes as well as dynamic braking to slow the car.
I worked on a client's turret motion system that required active braking -- actually driving the DC motor in reverse -- to slow the turret down quickly enough to meet spec. You might look into that as a form of braking when required.
Great idea. Keep it moving forward.
Thank you i will
Very well illustrated. A lot of work looks like it went into the subject matter. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. If you talked a bit slower I think you would command more respect. It shouldn't make any difference in how you deliver the message but if you go slow make it factual and illustrate as you have done you will reach more people IMHO, have to say thanks.
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This is amazing. I subscribed. I want this! One question relating to water, and common wear and tear. This looks like if one thing goes bad you gotta replace the entire thing 😅 pricey. What's your perspective on that?
I made it from the perspective that in 2040 we will have a multi metal 3dprinter that can print motors from scratch. If you where able to print it yourself or order the motor from print services, it shouldn’t be the most expensive to produce
2040? You can buy Verge hubless motorbike today...
Billy Lane done something a little similar in the early 2000's on one of the bikes he custom builds. Though it wasn't electric.
The design is very good, but how are you planning to divide 50 terminal coils into three phases? Or you are planning to change the number the phases from 3 to something more like 5 or so?
A rim bearing is a problem waiting to happen, an expensive problem at that. Make bearings as small as possible. We well be developing one of my novel power-dense hub drives soon.
Can we do Hubless Design with a linear induction motor?
Great Work:)
I’d use clutch packs and planetary ⚙️ gear
I always wonder, about magnetic bearing, is it the same with this hubless motor?
This is now a product from Verge motorcycles.
yes very good design, i thought of this also.. look, i have some designs for energy multiplication whereas we could produce as much Mobil electric energy without limit as you would ever need.. couple this whith the electic wheels and make the inside of the rims propellers for flying cars.. double-stacked propellers one clockwise other counters for balance... besides this i have some designs for propulsion for jets and hover crafts which would alow ut to stop on a dime or fly sideways or hover and land straight down or go straight up..it beautiful with many small vacum hose jets = improved vectoring both intake and exhaust
That sounds amazing
I also have thought of this. Amazing to come across someone with a like mind. I imagined the wheels being large diameter so the carbon fiber props could get more surface area. Also have the battery pack underneath and deployable as a safety feature.
I'm working on a whole car design for something that uses a wheel like this. Ill be using 3DS Max. The whole car is different like nothing ever seen before.
On my channel you can vind the cars I designed around this principal. It really allows you to not design the conventional shape of car and come up with something new.
@@SVADesign How come you don't want a permanent magnet motor?
@@artlover5798 I just know enough about e motors to be able to theorise what might be possible in the future but I’m not an expert obviously. So I don’t really have an answer to that question. I just went with what I thought could work
What would also be awesome is you could have an electronically adjustable mount inside the hub to essentially choose ride Height at the mounting point before you even got to the A arms etc, Depending on the clearance on the inside. you could have a realistic adjustability of like 2-10 inches (or more in its time depending on what alloys are created
The title would make sense if it said:
"How a hub-less, in-wheel electric motor works (SolidWorks) | The Nr1 Designer"
Bro I just didn't understand how much coils to make and how much phase it will be having also how many poles you have made?
I just theorised what could possible in the future im not to wel versed in how electric motors truly work. I know enough to make guys like think about what could be possible.
Like now I will try to make it possible in the present day I will try to do every calculations possible. Soon I will tell you if I get anything.
@@nisargshah17 please keep me updated
Yeah definitely I will inform you just give me your mail
@@nisargshah17 my email is in the channel description
I build an complete wheel in 1998 exactly what you are discribeing
Thats awesome. Do you have pictures.
TheNr1 Designer not here maybe my ex wife has them
It works ok on perfect roads but the magnetically crack up an fall apart on roughy roads I put it on a motor bike an ran it till 2017
If I built another I would not use magnetics an use a brush type system
If you know what I mean
I do. Luckily its more of a thesis than something im trying to build
TheNr1 Designer well you keep at it I have always though that the answer is in a powered wheel design
Shaq, you state that this is viable in 20 years. Do you say this only because of the expected capabilities of 3D printing in 20 years? If so, why not make it now?
I think multiple metal 3dprinter technology with intergated circuits is still a couple decades out. That would revolutionise everything.
sir may i now how to to simulate and design such wheel ,does solid works enough for every simulation
I dont think it would be possible to simulate it in solidworks now but thats also not the purpose of this project.
Can anyone help me with the type of motor 0like AC or DC, type of motor which can be made HUBLESS.
AC
Hi, permanent magnets are expensive, such a motor wakes up a wheel expensive, you have to do it without magnets.
unspeung mass includes the motor then?
Yess it does, but if you can delete the weight of the uprights and the full braking system it might even be lighter.
how much phase
im assuming 3 phase would be best, since it is the perfect balance between efficiency and cost
@@kejtov radial or axial flux motor?
@@hariharanramamurthy9946 His coil orientation is incorrect, but it’s most likely supposed to be a radial configuration, seeing as the magnets are around the outside rather than the sides.
the inside seems like wasted space. could make the coils longer, stretching close to the center to fill that space and generate more power using the same dimensions
The verge hub motor is like this, has 1100 nm of torque lol
This motor design would not work. The fields are perpendicular and would provide 0 force. Someone pointed out you could orient the magnets in a way it matches the coils but that would cause rotation force in the coil and magnets and the force would be smaller than traditional motors due to how field lines work. The bearing in this concept is also not viable in real commercial use and would have been better if he just used an already available bearing that just has a huge diameter. For people who are actually interested in new motor technology that isn't science fiction go look up axial motors(not actually new but rarely used for things like EVs as of yet) and inductive motors with magnets imbedded in the core(what Tesla and some other Electric Cars use).
I am not from electrical background I just want to know why 3 phase permanent magnet motor wouldn't work in this design?
@@ashishac7913 you can definetly use a three phase motor here. It's just that the way he oriented the copper wires and the magnets orients the magnetic fields so the force created is zero. The force created by two field lines are a function of angle.
Hello, can I get your mail?
Yes It’s in the the video description