How to Get Your Friends Into WARHAMMER (And Other Miniature Games)
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It's okay, we're staying away from the chip spicey topics this time. Today we're talking about...
0:40 - HOBBYING WITH TREMORS AND ADDITIONAL NEEDS
4:54 - SQUARESPACE TIME
6:51 - INSPIRATION AND MOTIVATION TO FINISH ARMIES
10:20 - HOW TO GET YOUR FRIENDS INTO THE HOBBY
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AKA "How to get your friends addicted to crack"
First model is free
All the cool kids do it.
Cerebal palsy haver here, and i concur with your advice here... Account for your capabilities and challenges, and adjust accordingly. I find that i have to be careful with how i grip my minis, or my wrists and forearms cramp up. Also, find a sustainability comfortable position to sit in. Learn to work within your bounds, and realize that those boundaries tend to be far wider than you ever thought.
Hard work pays off, smart work pays off faster.
Beat me to this my fellow CPer
And free work is it's own reward.
@@jc7997aj ehh... Not really. I view all my personal work to be either an opportunity to learn, adapt, and polish techniques, or as a marketing expenditure, since I do occasionally take on commission work, as life and motivation allows.
If you can pay for your hobby, with your hobby, things get notably cheaper.
I really admire your honesty and openness when talking about your condition. I also suffer from a degenerative condition of the spine which has left me with severe spinal stenosis (narrowing of the spinal canal and severe compression of the spinal cord). This has left me with muscle weakness and severe muscle cramps and spasms (which I take Baclofen for). I also suffer from tremors and tics. Those in themselves are difficult to deal with but on top of that I also suffer from severe chronic pain which makes doing most things extremely difficult. The stenosis has gotten to the stage where I can no longer walk more than 10 metres without a break. I can only stand still for about 45 seconds and sit for no more than 20 minutes before I need to lie down and recuperate. Recently I’ve had problems with my vision and memory. My doctor has told me that I most likely also have MS. I constantly struggle with depression and anxiety and constantly question myself whether I want to continue this way. Thankfully I have my wife, my sister and my brother in law, who along with my puppies and my faith keep me sane. The tabletop hobby though is a huge part of my motivation to keep going forward and I am in fact starting up my own channel at the moment. It will look at engaging in the tabletop hobby when you’re on a budget. I will be doing DIY hobby supply recipes and alternatives, reviews of bargain hobby tools and supplies, 3D printing on the cheap and many other great ways to save money while in the hobby. I’m also in the process of creating something big for the hobby community that hopefully will take off and benefit everyone in the hobby. I’ve been working on it for 6 months so I will be ready to launch it when I launch my own channel. The reason I mentioned all of my ailments wasn’t to boast. I want to show everyone no matter what situation you’re in, even if it seems completely hopeless, you can triumph over it. That’s what I love about the hobby. You can adapt it to your special needs even if you’re bed bound. There have been times I’ve painted in bed! Absolutely love your channel and everything you do for the community. You’re a bright flame.
Hello Dave! I was that chap who cycled past you and shouted "MS Paints!" last night - hope I didn't make you jump out your skin lol. Love your stuff, I always make a cuppa and *chill* whenever I see one of your videos is posted. Cheers!
No problemo man! Always seems to be that corner where I get spotted the most hahaha
Better than the usual people who shout "oi, cunt!" to see who turns around😂
i've found that smaller indie skirmish games make for a great introduction to the hobby. i've played a few games of frostgrave and tonks with some friends who i usually only play ttrpgs with, and we've been wanting to try out bangarang. but them already being into ttrpgs is definitely a bit of a head start
Frostgrave is a super nice crossover for that kinda crowd. The super light RPG elements are a treat.
I see your title and intro... and I can't do that to my friends. Financial security is so important these days, and nobody fully recovers from their GW purchases these days.
Try Gaslands. A few Matchbox/Hot Wheels cars from the local charity shop, modded with cheap household junk and bits from old toys. Terrain made from household junk and scrap. Photocopied templates. A handful of ordinary dice.
Shouldn’t cost more than £40 including the rules, glue and paints.
3d print your cares away my friend. Fly the black sails and give the finger to GW.
@@jc7997aj I saw a comment and its honestly true. 3D printers really are the Vegans of this community lol, they constantly tell everyone to hop on over and have to mention them.
Hobbying is great but I’m mostly here to watch Tony D’s already tenuous sanity loosen further.
One of the most fun things I did was split the "Fury of the Deep" AOS box with a friend who lives in Liverpool.
They loved the design of the deep sea elves, and I am a dwarf fanboi through and through.
So, I took the angry fiery badgers, and they took the slippery twinks.
And now we have an agreement to get the big centrepiece beasties for the respective armies and we're going to paint them as Blastoise and Charizard respectively ^^
Plus, I just share cool things I find online. Especially mythic americas by Warlord. I fully intend to just find a way to get both them and their partner into a variety of game we can unpack and play out of the box. ^^
In the next video can you make a: How to craft friends? Using kitbash or scratchbuild.... doesnt matter.
Dragon Quest was my first RPG/Dungeon crawl. Such good memories!! I remember being aged… 10 or there about a and taking it on holiday with my grandparents to Germany and playing it with my Grandad, who was very bemused (and confused, don’t think he had a clue what was happening!) but still gave it a go with me!!!
The comment about getting into trains and finances is possibly my favourite line in a video this year 😂 i didn't know where that sentence was going but i love the way it ended.
I have no friends to begin with, so i joined a local historical wargaming club, abd now they are my friends.
The done thing at that club is, if you like a game, then you buy two sides/armies/gangs, invite someone to play.
Cant wait to see more ❤🔥
STEAK & SIZZLE !!! Hahaha, the only sponsored bit on the CZcamss worth watching.
Fantastic video, Dave! As someone in his 40s with a disability that makes painting and shit (not shitting, I’m fucking ace at shitting - comes with the age) more difficult that it would otherwise be, you’re an inspiration. Cheers, man.
Great video as ever Dave.
For folks looking to bring friends in for the hobby that don't have that FLGS another thing to consider is co-op mini games like rangers of shadow deep. It could make for a good jumping off point if the game isnt immediately adversarial.
Awesome vid, mate...talking about different tremors...solid explanation...its ALMOST (and hear me out) like us folks with various conditions and how we all handle them to do our activities we love, is EXACTLY like how normal people have different ways they approach the activities they love.
Weird, right? 🤘🤠
As to the last question I am once again shilling hard for Deadzone by mantic. The two player starter set hovers around 80 on most sites, though the patient can sometimes spot it for 65 on amazon, contains two factions, normal human soldier dudes and space rats, decent amount of scenery and everything else you will need to play barring glue and paint.
Furthermore new factions can be added at vwry reasonable costs, faction starters can be had for 25 quid which give a reasonable variety of options and a enforcers specifically can be bought off amazon in a ten quid box that will work as a small strike team. On top of all this the game is super easy to understand as it's grid movement system takes alot of the finnicky positioning stuff and makes it a total breeze.
Try Gaslands. A few Matchbox/Hot Wheels cars from the local charity shop, modded with cheap household junk and bits from old toys. Terrain made from household junk and scrap. Photocopied templates. A handful of ordinary dice.
Shouldn’t cost more than £40 including the rules, glue and paints. Add another £20-£25 if you decide you like the game and want specialist templates and dice.
Kill team is great ive got two of my friends into it using the starter set and an admech white dwarf team. So much more engaging that 40k
I’ve gotten into blood bowl lately. So thankfully I own a business and can afford too, but I’ve bought almost every team so now people who come over can play anyone.
Awesome tips, mate. I too prefer a higher work surface, and I have braced a couple of boards under the tabletop that I can pull out and prop up my elbows on, to straighten up my back Much like a jeweler's bench. I also have carved a few blocks and braces out of foam for keeping shaky hands steady, one with a notch carved out of the top to brace my airbrush, like a rifle at the range. I can comfortably line up shots and spray a bit, move the block or the piece, then keep shooting. Fat foam grips on craft knives are also a wonderful thing, and I'm sure have saved me a few stitches. Cheers, Dave!
I personally don’t have any accessibility issues, but raising my desk MASSIVELY improves my posture and comfort when painting.
Easy trick for those that cannot raise their desk/table is to lower your chair.. keeps you upright and moves the model and surface you’re working on closer to your face. 👍
In my experience, is giving them the option of choosing a game based on looks and faction lore. Also, dont be afraid of proxying minis from other games even. Im thinking about pitching my friends into playing necromunda with 40k models. They like RPG's, I like 40k, one likes admech and the other orks but big armies are out of budget and kill team is very dense (without having a story). Necromunda is also dense but you more attachment and investment even when outside of the hobby. Tru making your friends think of the hobby without you mentioning it or them doing it
Shout out to Chainsaw Warrior, an absolute classic.
I sit them at the table, put a tray of dice and a jar of Vaseline side by side and lock door and dim the lights....what they choose dictates the night really.
Ah yes! But first Id need to have a friend…
I got fairly recently introduced to miniature gaming by a friend introducing me to Kill Team. The prospect of having 6-10 or so miniatures was a lot less intimidating than huge armies. Then again it helped that I have played a fair share of Warhammer video games and got burned out on an IT job (anything non-digital gaming was much more appealing to me and still is). Got also into mesbg after that.
Tony going wild today!
I got a fair amount of friends into Infinity by buying a few 2 player starter sets and running demo games. Skirmish games often have a much easier entry point.
It's also really important to have fair and simple lists for both teams and to make sure to help new players even if that means you point out ways they can counter/beat you.
I've known loads of people who have been introduced to a game and the opponents brought out their tournament list and wiped them turn 1 which just pushes people away.
I have cramps all over my body. Have to eat magnesium supplements (chase Corvettes)... Those help with spasms because they boost (sort of) neural pathways and so on..Would that help with MS?
If I valued a person as a friend, Warhammer is the last game I'd introduce them to.
Come for topic but I comment for the square space advert.
It’s the only channel I never want to skip the ads for
Wow,I also have a copy of Chainsaw warrior, alot of people I've mentioned it too have never heard of it 😅
Perfect🤗 😅💋
Board game hybrids do the job. Stuff with tokens and cards. Even if the game is dead simple like OPR for exemple, those components in a more complex game help with the transition. Warmachine was very easy to rope people in. In modern days that would be kill team. But nothing will work if people arent interested in the universe you game in. "But there is miniature agnostic games" those are a trap, a game with no lore has no way to rope people without a model collection already. So with all this into account the best way would be find what verse your friends like and get the relevant game.
Killteam and Beer. that is all.
i suffer from MS and recently got back into 40k after a loooong break away.
my MS affects me very differently from yourself.
i do not suffer from tremors but i'm left handed and my left hand lacks dexterity in my fingers. i was really worried about holding a brush for any length of time would be difficult.
i found contrast and speed paints are amazing but but i've been pushing myself to go back to a traditional style and push my limits with edge highlighting.
i'm not a quick painter, i'm not the neatest but i'm really enjoying being back in the hobby.
also with 10th not needing battleline and lots of models means i can have a viable army with under 20 models making my fatigue more manageable while gaming
I’m legally blind and just started making models a few weeks ago. I’m loving working with clay
Great video, great info
Can we please get a yt short of Dave saying "dr Bastard" and smirking? :P
Tony is on top form.....STEAK !!!!!
WOOOO! Fallout Wasteland Warfare LETSGO
Okey Dokey!
The camera angle changes and the slowly moving view combined with the lighting makes this feel way more high level production than a 55k view channel. Love it.
(also newer audio soundtracks are 24 bit) Just being anal as my job is a sound designer for video games. Don't judge me.
Haha! I meant 32bit systems! Mostly ps1 is my thing. You know I’m something of a sound designer myself. 24 bit for sure, had the hardest time getting people to switch up from 44.1 to 48k, haha
@@MSPaints I knew what you meant! I was just being pedantic for the sake of it.
You're a man of many talents!
Dave is a true polymath.
Man Tony is really getting into his adverts eh
Yeah he’s lost his chill!
did what you said got one of the bigger boys from the club to come to my house and play 40k
but half way through he got mad and pushed me on my bed and rough me up? I think IM A GIRL KNOW I want to be a boy again? all your fought Dave
i just cant they are my friends as much as i enjoy the lore and painting the odd model i can recommend games workshop as a company in any way what so ever to any other human and be able to sleep at night .
I've recently found out just how bad my close depth perception is from a lazy eye. It doesn't really affect any other parts of my life, like it works fine at distance, but within about 2 feet Its pretty bad. Which makes precision painting difficult, because when you're painting tiny stuff, you kinda want it right in front of your face. It's very frustrating when you feel like you're painting the model but your brush is an inch away so you try to correct and hard jab the brush directly into the mini. I've had to learn to paint kinda at a diagonal, so it's easier to interpret how far the mini is from the brush.
You don´t,at least with NuGW
Not gonna lie, one of the first thing I noticed is the former smoker nicotine device and realizing I have the exact same vape setup
13:03 "financially you're both fucked then" 😂... 😶... 😭
Hahaha, better to bond over ruin
@@MSPaints my preferred flavour of cope
There's other games besides warham??!
Sucks about having to re upload this…
To get someone new into gaming? 2 player starter set, all painted up and a great looking table…basically, be the best host you can be for a couple of hours of gaming.
(As for painting, no clue, I can barely get into that myself 🤣)
Christ Tony D seems to be getting a bit more unhinged each promo.
Blud turn som normal white light on please
Like the one on the right?
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I'm never changing that user name! I see it continues to cause mischief. I originally created it to troll a podcast I listen to as one of the hosts had difficulty pronouncing it. Yes, I am a massive troll!
I’ll get it one day. Then you can change it
Oh, and I almost forgot... STEAK!
Wait, are model railways more expensive than Warhammer?!
Yes. Yes they are.
Certainly easily can be, yeah.
Wait, what did Tony say he smashed?
Like and comment to appease the almighty algorithm! 😅👍🏼
"Star Wars fans don't even like Star Wars" you are not kidding.
For real. Think I left most Star Wars groups because people got no chilled
If you're truly their friend you will get them into literally anything else. Sadism might be a better choice?
What if you don't have friends? 😐
Then i'm awful jealous of you.
With a small loan of a $1000
I’m be recently had some friends agree to come over and learn 10th with me, because I’m gonna let them use one of my armies to play :)
That's a hero a move! Saved your friends a few thousand pounds.
C🏈🏈L
'Even Star Wars fans don't like Star Wars' 😆
So depressingly true hahaha
Friends do not pull friends into GW.
Wargaming Yes, GW No, please.
I'm autistic and my friends have been trying to get me into 40k for years, and tbh I do like aspects of it but I just don't like any of the factions enough. I apparently have "annoyingly niche taste" or something and like really non-humanoid aliens but the nids and necrons aren't enough for my taste. All the xenos I've liked that I have seen are ones that aren't represented in the game in model form at all like Enslavers , which sucks as it looks like there are a lot of very cool ones in the lore. The few models I did like were the blackstone constructs, especially the guardian drones - but it looks like you can't even get those anymore and don't have any viable way to make an army/force either so I'm kind of stumped sadly.
What about Genestealers or Orcs?
Ah, executive dysfunction at the first hurdle - I feel your pain
@@grlmgor Those are both humanoid too, so not really my thing - but thanks for taking the time to reply. I like things that float and don't have legs. I'm also attracted to asymmetrical design. In popular-culture my fave sci-fi alien races are things like Daleks from dr who, the Vorlons from Babylon5 or litterature-wise, stuff like stephan baxter and robert l forward came up with. Nid's and Necron's have a few non-humanoid units like Spore Mines or Canoptek stuff, but as a whole, most of them are still way too anthropomorphic for me.
@@jamfjord Thankyou, I appreciate that :) I'm glad someone out there understands!
The Blackstone fortress 'baddies' were an army with rules last edition. Sadly with lockdown etc, I never got to play the force, but I still have them all painted up and ready.
First avoid Warhammer unless you and your friend are rich. Go for small skirmish games first.
Killteam?
I love your channel and your content in particular but I'm sorry I absolutely loathe the Warhammer 40K rules system, yet I'm a bona fida 40K lore fanboy. I can't stand the rules I want to enjoy a game with my friends not spend it looking up special rules and needing 15 books to play a game (ok I exaggerate but you know what I mean). Frankly I think the company's run by people more interested in profit than quality now and as a gen Xer I was there at the beginning but it's lost me now.
Im 6 foot 9..my friends have zero choice in nerding with me.
13 views in 2 mins bro fell off
I love MS_Paints
Nearly midnight, and the first version had audio issues. Absolutely killed my own push on this one.
@MSPaints your loyal fans are still here, m9. Much love from Seattle! O7
@@jamisondebolt5590heyo another seattlite! Freaking love MS_Paints
Friends don't encourage friends to give GW money
Are you forgetting the rules of the cult?
the answer is, you dont, cause i dont want my friend to get into debt just to play some games
I've been trying to get a friend into 40k for years lol... this video is going to be real helpful
Hopefully! My advice boils down to essentially trying other stuff they're more likely to be interested in. If they're interested in 40k, that's a bonus though!
I would try something that doesn’t look like a conventional miniature figure game and is more like a board game. Malifaux perhaps?
Although visually attractive 40K is a fairly cruddy gaming experience. Endless dice-rolls and frequent references to arcane bloated manuals are sure to put newbies off.
7 minutes into this video and all we have had is talk about disabilities and a puppet trying to sell online food. This video was recommended to me by CZcams. The title is How To Get Your Friends Into Warhammer (and Miniatures Games) so that's what I was expecting to see. Why have the first 7 minutes of content unrelated to the title of this video? Is this deliberate clickbait? I'm not going to bother carrying on watching the rest as I expect that won't be related to the title either.
Skip ahead to the marked chapter, mate. It’s not hard.
I shouldn't have to check for a list of chapters if the video title implies that it's all about one topic. If it had been called "Answering viewers hobby questions" then yes I would have expected the video to cover different topics and therefore I would have looked at the chapters.