MUST KNOW Speaker Location Considerations to get the best sound!
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- čas přidán 23. 05. 2024
- When selecting aftermarket speakers it's not only important to get quality speakers, but also to choose proper installation locations. Each location in the vehicle has different advantages and disadvantages, whether it's the doors, dash, center channel, a-pillars, sail panel, rear deck or kick panel position. How can we resolve the issues to get the best sound? Let's discuss!
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Don't forget that not only is the speaker location important, but also the install technique! There's much more to this than just bolting the speaker in!
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i watched many of your videos but still i cent do it by my self without guides
i don't know, we hear sound in center But there is no quality sound and I bought the almost the best alpine products on the market i dont know what to do maybe if we connect on WhatsApp video call or something you can see and help me i don't know :
Great topic, being in the "audio" business (years ago) ~ this was critical then and now of course, thanks.
This video couldn't have come at a better time. I've just recently dealt with Hertz 3.5" coaxial dash speakers with bass blockers that were FAR too bright in my Ram 1500 truck. I have a 4 channel amp putting out 45W rms to front Hertz 6.5 woofers, and rear Hertz 6x9 coaxials to the doors, and the factory head unit powering the dashes. I hoped that raising the gain on the door speakers via the amp would account for the brightness of the dashes, but I was wrong. I considered using a 2 way passive crossover, but unfortunately those are intended for a woofer and tweeter combination, so the crossover point would be too high for the 3.5 midrange speaker. I found 3 way passive crossovers exist, but without a way for me to split the 3.5s' tweeters and midranges, that wouldn't work either. After some research I setup an L-Pad network to attenuate the dashes -6db by adding resistors in line with the speaker wires. This has now mostly resolved my issues. For a make-shift "3-way" front setup using a passive crossover network, and not wanting to spend money on a 6-channel amp and DSP, I think I did okay. Let me know what you think. Thanks for all your videos, they've definitely inspired me to take on this project.
Personally I would have powered the front doors and 3.5s off the amp and left the rear doors on factory power, you hear the least amount of information from the rear doors so allot of people just leave factory speakers there anyways.
@@goyslop4289 I have read this a lot actually. I just feel like I need a rear presence to balance the listening for me. If I have next to no sound out the back speakers, they start sounding weird to me, and then if I crank the volume, I'd be worried about distorting the rears. I also figured the RMS of the door speakers, front and back require more power, where as the dash speakers notoriously require less. As far as I've heard thus far, my 3.5s aren't distorting due to a lack of power. Thanks!
@5:28 yeah thats why the popular mod is to put a resistor or remove the center dash speaker on the Pontiac g8s
You keep the knowledge dropping Sir! Thanks and cheers. How much does your “shop” or work run per hour? You appear to be one of more serious and technical people than I am normally used to seeing. I would appreciate having some sort of shop that does work as quality as you display.
They're not hourly they are priced per project.
For "labor" a basic shop will charge on average the same price as your equipment if not using low end quality equipment. For my $3500 in equipment not counting dual batteries, isolator and custom amp board, my local shop wanted $3000 for install. I obviously declined and will soon start my diy install myself.
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Have you ever worked on a 5th Toyota 4Runner? Cuz boy would I love to pick your brain on how to make it studio quality!
I've toyed with the idea of simply going the route of what OEM AUDIO+ has to offer but have been hesitant.
I would love your feed back good sir!
I have a 2021 Bronco with the SSV speaker pods and 6.5" Kicker CS speakers. I am getting some rattling/ vibration with music that has some bass. What would you do to eliminate? Thanks!
every car i work on has so many different options and limitations for speakers. there are only a few in which i was pretty happy with the outcome if it didnt need much or any DSP in order to enjoy it. personally i would DSP an alarm clock if i could because i prefer that level of control lolol.
I use to curse DSPs for being another unnecessary added expense, but they're literally mandatory for SQ in an auto.
What about mounting speakers overhead?
Then you have a front theater that's up high. I tried it and hated it but I've seen a few builds that do this. Impossible in most autos though.
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Gmc Sierra door speakers are hard to hear due to being at the floor in door
Very true!
ahh you left out the center console! Ive created a very nice front stage bass output in my center console. still great video as usual.
center console is an awful location.
@@VirtuousWarrior-wr2fv bare in mind, mine is far forward under the center of the dash
@@CarAudioEnthusiasts what make/model? That definitely helps vs normal console location.
Are AMT tweeters prone to get damaged in summer heat like 50 deg celsius and in car temps can go much higher?
The speaker location on the door panel for 1st Gen Siennas is awful. It’s buried beneath the seat and is blocked a good amount while the door is closed.
That's the worst! Thankfully OEM's seem to be trending more towards better locations, although there are still some oddballs out there.
Thanks for watching!
Maybe don't own a sienna
@@CarAudioFabricationGood morning, I'm from Brazil, I don't miss a video of yours. There would be no way for you to put subtitles in Portuguese in the videos, thank you
@@CarAudioFabrication Absolutely. Haha There’s plenty of newer models with great locations for sure.
Jeep Grand Cherokee dash mounted tweeters facing the windshield are pretty horrible
The doors being known as suboptimal location but I honestly love the midbass my doors give me in my install. Performance is solid, there are some cancellations of course but at least it looks stock. Used focal flax 16.5 you have in your hands in the beggining of the video. Tons of BAM material everywhere, on the outer and inner panels, the thick ass aluminium mounting ring from musway and then the speaker, thing is solid.
I have a 300. 3.5" in the dash and rear doors. 6x9 in the front door and rear deck. Should i put tweeters in the dash in place of the 3.5" or rear door? Or just stay with 3.5"?
use either a 3" wideband in the dash or put a 3" in the dash and a tweeter in the pillar. works very well. I personally don't bother with rear door stuff, but I also don't have people in the sitting back there.
Are you watching movies or listening to music? Music is 2 channel L-R not surround. Forget everything behind you except subs in the trunk.
Building a fiberglass subwoofer box. Will adding a sound deadener to the inside help durability or sound ?? Thank you for your time..
don't use fiberglass for subs, for components and midbass sure.
@@VirtuousWarrior-wr2fv what are you talking about ?! Lol. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a fiberglass subwoofer enclosure if it is designed and built properly. Dunno who told you that...but they lied to you...or don't know what they are doing
Just traded my car in for something that has a factory center speaker location. I've figured out how I want to handle the rear satellite 3.5" speakers but adding the center speaker to my 5 channel amp is posing the most concerns. What options can I explore for adding the center channel? I've seen summing my front left and right as an option but I don't how the watts are distributed or if I'll see a different in impedance. JL RD900/5 amp for reference and all aftermarket speakers (50w rms speakers, running 2 per channel for the rear for a 2ohm load, I'd like 2ohm for the front to optimize rms load). I've also considered two speakers for the center but spacing obviously becomes my next issue.
What's your opinion on having a 3-way kit + a 2-way kit in the front doors and a 3-way kit in the rear doors?
Awful. Both the mixing of drivers up front then totally ruining it more it by adding rear fill.
Two way front whether single or duals and nothing in the rear but subs.
Mark,
Would love to see a video with adding in video components for movies or game consoles. Still need proper audio, with wiring. I have been watching for many years and think this would be helpful for additional content.
Ben
I wouldn't. This is about car audio not turning your auto into a mobile man cave. What's next a crapper in the backseat?
Pioneer makes one the best adapted for the cars the speaker holds 3 Phillips head triangle speaker frame raised up cover completely pushes over the speaker made in black and stainless steel
What about woofers under the front seat? Is the frequency range of woofers non-directional?
For subs and midbass kinda, not really non-directional but lower frequency is less directional.
So I replaced the crappy bose dash speakers in my trailblazer with some nice infinity coaxials. What I overlooked is that these things fire up from the dash and reflect off the windshield and makes the soundstage blobby as hell. Im not sure what to do, Im going to try and get an angled ring on them so theyre firing more into the cabin and not off the windshield. Any other ideas?
Never add or replace dash speakers, best to disconnect, or bypass if using a separate source than HU. Only thing that should go near the dash are tweets in the A-pillars, or the smaller mid woofers in a 3 way system which I don't use.
How about a video explaining how to upgrade the car’s electric supply.I have not been able to find much information on how to convert from lead acid to lithium ion.what alternator and battery management. I want more power without adding weight..
Does speaker shape affect spund quality like a round one vs like 6x8
not really
No, the reason we as installers don't generally care for them is still to this day many vehicles come with a 6x9" midbass in the door and a 3.5 in the dash. Nobody makes a high end set up really to replace them, so we generally do a 6.5 with a speaker adapter. Yes I'm aware Focal, Morel and others make a 6x9" component set but it's not their top of the line set.
@@melissathompson7229 it's getting better, the market is providing better by 9s these days
The only real difference is oval speakers like 6x8s provide more cone area for improved bass response. Round speakers tend to offer more mounting options for aiming especially in custom setups.
What type of ts parameters should we look for when going 2 or 3 way
For music 2 way is more natural "ideal" and less drivers the better, less adjustments, less phase issues and adjusting levels/crossovers. Less blending needed.
With 3 way more wiring, more used amp channels, more custom fab, more time, more tuning, mandatory dsp needed(although id use one for any system)
The more complex one makes it the more potential for problems.
@@VirtuousWarrior-wr2fv check out my 3 way system I just posted video
Yeah don't listen to that guy... I'm not sure how someone could possibly say a three-way setup done right is better for music lol. You literally have a dedicated speaker to play the frequencies they are meant to. Check out morel. Hertz Audison or focal. Better be ready to spend some money though... Gotta pay to play! Morel elate 3 way. 9in midbass in the door or 6.5... midrange and tweeter... Then do a 2 6 channel amplifiers.. Something like JL xd600/6 per door... 200 watts a driver... Then a helix processor... And whatever sub you want. Make sure you go to a shop that actual professionals work at. Tuning a system correctly is imperative. You can have a $10,000 setup and if you don't have a DSP or it's not properly tuned, you can take mid-range equipment with a DSP and a good tune and put it to shame.
Some of the systems available right from the factory are pretty impressive today.
Have you had a chance to hear the McIntosh system that’s available in the new Jeep Grand Cherokees?
It’s pretty impressive.
I don't know if I would go as far as saying impressive, but they are getting marginally more acceptable. At the end of the day they still make the systems as cheaply as they possibly can, as light as they possibly can, and with as little electrical drain as they possibly can.
I have, I wasn't impressed personally.
@@CarAudioFabrication Of course nothing beats a custom installed aftermarket system 👍
Well put...if I wanted the system in question I would skip the Jeepupcharges and just pay a proper installer to do the quality that McIntosh deserves.@@CarAudioFabrication
Not at all. I've had "premium" Alpine, HK, Bose, infinity and they are all awful. But then again to me anything beyond 2.1 stereo is terrible.
It's so funny when people think bose or Harman kardon or Macintosh ECT are high end... Pull that door panel down and take a look at that driver. More than likely paper cone pos. Then they roll off when you go over a certain volume and sound even worse!
I felt missing some valuable information here:
1. Door location acoustics for midbass which can be terrible on the driver seat. The sides will perform very asymmetric which causes innaccuracy and unbalanced sound. This is also a lot to play with the driver parameters how they perform.
2. Dash locations for midranges firing up can be used as advantage but they need to very be close to the windshield in proper angle to give there best.
3. Especially midbass parameters for selected application (door, infinite baffle, sealed, ported) play a huge role.
4. Door damping and inforcing is vital, espacially the inner skin which holds the driver. I have experienced a huge problem with a plastic sealed inner skin but the driver (should be suitable by the parameters) doesn't work at all even I made a whole new solid installation from plywood. The innerskin flexes a bit so that might be the quilty one so the driver can't give the kick properly. The cone moves but it doesn't give much attack.
I can't possibly put every last bit of information on this topic in a single video. It would be 5 hours long and no one would watch it.
Yes, a automobile is the worst place to attempt SQ. Maybe scroll through the videos in this channel and learn.
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hey what the chance you can help me fix my sound on my car i have alpine dps, alpine component an other amplifier of alpine i had to 4-5 different Professionals in the field of audio systems paid money and they just dont know how to work on this system i want to learn it by my self you can help me with that?
I'd say zero chance. Lol. What is the issue? Don't think anyone you took your car too is a professional. Bc a professional would be able to at least pinpoint the problem if it has something to do with the equipment or installation. It's not rocket science
Recently i've managed to lay my hand on a top of the line focal utopia m drivers at a huge discount. Those are marvelous at a midrange, and way better off axis than most of 6,5" speakers i ever had... But this is exactly the point why they are not the best match for my car. As it turns out, my leg is in the way:) speaker position is way down on the door and depending on where i put by leg sound changes. It is such a waste of potential of those speakers. also high central console mess with standing waves, creating a dip arround 800hz.
If i'd redone my setup from the scratch today, i'd rather go with 3-way system with custom a-pillars location for midrange, spend more money on decent midrange so i could tune crossover point lower to avoid those issues
2 way is better IMO, with tweets in a pillars. And it seems everyone got their equipment on discount 😂. Too much pride to admit they paid full price.
@@VirtuousWarrior-wr2fvas i mentioned - legs are often in the way. my own leg, and also passenger. Legs don't mess with bass but anything abobe 800-1000hz.... shifts?
Yes install is more important than the actual equipment honestly, to a certain point obviously.
Big sedans are always nice, a little more leg room. Even with my extended pods in doors which hold dual jl c3 5.25s on each side in my 300 I never brush up on them with my leg. When I had my Corolla that was a different story. I also angle my woofs up and back with the gasket seals helps some.
Good luck with sweet sound!
I need my adapters to put my speakers back on axis.
I simply bolted in some Kenwood concert 6.5"'s in and they sound incredible.
I cannot find the difference between the concert and power versions (aside from price).
I never seem to own a car that they make kick pods or window A pillar pods for 😢
Location can make an average speaker sound great, and a great speaker sound average.
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Climate control gets priority over sound staging by default. Just swap your door speakers for your dash vents. Shoot air on your legs and sound at your face!
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@@bkrgls 😂
I swapped the radio with the climate control for my fox body mustang....but yeah...the rear speaker placement SUCKS for my 89 convertible...debating on whether to customize a complete different panel...but also didn't want to not make it TOO different from original....
IMHO, kick pannels are a dumb idea for speakers location, unless that by "speakers" you mean a small subwoofer in passenger side...
Agreed kickers are worse than door locations unless in a open air type utility vehicle.
Hmmm.. sounds traveling @1,100 ft/ sec?.. bouncing sound waves off of glass..then we claim to have a system that has staging and an image?..the amazing magic of car audio brands still defying the laws of physics 😊
Sound waves do travel at ~1100 Feet per seconds, using the glass to reflect sound does have advantages.
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