Thank you Nenad for your video's, I enjoy them very much. I can't tell you how glad I am to have found a school here in the Netherlands that is associated with Philipp Bayer. This system is fantastic. No nonsens, just hard work and skill. Long ago I trained at a Wing Tsun -school, but I quit after a while. Once I started Ving Tsun, I had to unlearn all that WT-garbage and start over. (people who trained Wing Tsun first and started Ving Tsun know what I am talking about). But luckily I found a trainer who is a student from Philipp and explains everything in detail. No secrets, no BS. If you put in the effort, you get the results. Greetings from Holland!
Hello my friend. Yes you are right. I was long time student in Twc but when I meet Philipp and his students it change my mind and open my eyes to real VT and way of thinking and fighting. No bullshit only realdeal. Hahah, people dont know while they feel it. 😄👍 Cheers.
Totally different. Just watch some videoclips from EWTO and some videoclips from VT (Philippbayer) then you see the difference. I trained both styles, first WT (EWTO) and now I train Ving Tsun (WSL/Philipp Bayer style). When I trained WT, in my experience, they taught me how to move like them but without context, without explanation and without results. All my movements were without precision and effectiveness. At my present school (VT) I had to unlearn it like a bad habit and then they first taught me how to relax, at the same time they explained all the movements. They explaned the difference between forms, drills, chi sau, sparring, punch training, wooden dummy, long pole, knives but simultaneously they explain how everything comes together in the end. Everything is connected. And slowly, they are teaching me how to fight... 🙂. Ving Tsun is basicly very simple, but you have to put in much effort and condition your brain and whole body to a point that everything is centered around 1 simple but powerfull tool: the punch! And it takes much effort to master the punch, but it is worth so much!
@@Maarten925 I have some experiences in WT about 2 years but I felt it's not useful, I research about other Wing Chun lineage and styles, and realized there is another Wing Chun style that it's name is WSL Wing Chun but there is no good coach and trainer VT in Iran I had to started Ip Ching VT lineage it's more useful than WT But I do like learn PHB VT I spoke one time to Sifu Bayer in telegram and he accepted to teach me in skype platform he asked about my language knowledge 🙃 I can speak English in intermediate level , but I felt it's not enough finally, i hole one day start with PHB VT students
As a Chinese Wong Shun Leung lineage disciple which is VT, it's hard to say but have to admit that WT which is Leung Ting lineage is actually fake. He is nothing but a merchant. Don't misunderstand me, I had trained with WT lineage for 1 year before I changed to VT, I even proceeded fast until Chum Kiu, the second form, I couldn't even deal with a single punch from a VT linage student at the very beginning, so there s no way to do sticky hands because I lose my balance immediately. WT is the first lineage I have NEVER seen before that denies power from the ground, and they play forms as techniques as amateurs which doesn't make sense at all, but VT lineage teaches me they are concepts, ideas and trainings for your biomechanics, after extracting those, you are free to go, formless, shapeless. Therefore I m not promoting myself or my lineage but just sharing my experience, it was also a hard time for me to accept the truth that I wasted tons of money on their fake fancy forms.
@@Babaknmsl As a Chinese Wong Shun Leung lineage disciple which is VT, it's hard to say but have to admit that WT which is Leung Ting lineage is actually fake. He is nothing but a merchant. Don't misunderstand me, I had trained with WT lineage for 1 year before I changed to VT, I even proceeded fast until Chum Kiu, the second form, I couldn't even deal with a single punch from a VT linage student at the very beginning, so there s no way to do sticky hands because I lose my balance immediately. WT is the first lineage I have NEVER seen before that denies power from the ground, and they play forms as techniques as amateurs which doesn't make sense at all, but VT lineage teaches me they are concepts, ideas and trainings for your biomechanics, after extracting those, you are free to go, formless, shapeless. Therefore I m not promoting myself or my lineage but just sharing my experience, it was also a hard time for me to accept the truth that I wasted tons of money on their fake fancy forms.
@@leoholy9818 I have same story like you, I first started WT in Iran after about 1 year I felt the forms and trains are not useful, I search about other lineage and realized there a lot of Wing Chun lineages ,and changed my coach ,now I train Ip Ching lineage ,and there a lot different with WT, I used to think WT system just in Iran is not good but as you said WT completely is completely fake
Thank you Nenad for your video's, I enjoy them very much. I can't tell you how glad I am to have found a school here in the Netherlands that is associated with Philipp Bayer. This system is fantastic. No nonsens, just hard work and skill. Long ago I trained at a Wing Tsun -school, but I quit after a while. Once I started Ving Tsun, I had to unlearn all that WT-garbage and start over. (people who trained Wing Tsun first and started Ving Tsun know what I am talking about).
But luckily I found a trainer who is a student from Philipp and explains everything in detail. No secrets, no BS. If you put in the effort, you get the results. Greetings from Holland!
Hello my friend. Yes you are right. I was long time student in Twc but when I meet Philipp and his students it change my mind and open my eyes to real VT and way of thinking and fighting. No bullshit only realdeal. Hahah, people dont know while they feel it. 😄👍 Cheers.
I wish I could train VT with Sifu Bayer 😢 i'm from Iran
he is one of the best from sifu Wong S.L.🎉
He is awesome
Sehr sehr gut!!!!!
Wt (kernspecht style) is different?
Totally different. Just watch some videoclips from EWTO and some videoclips from VT (Philippbayer) then you see the difference.
I trained both styles, first WT (EWTO) and now I train Ving Tsun (WSL/Philipp Bayer style). When I trained WT, in my experience, they taught me how to move like them but without context, without explanation and without results. All my movements were without precision and effectiveness. At my present school (VT) I had to unlearn it like a bad habit and then they first taught me how to relax, at the same time they explained all the movements. They explaned the difference between forms, drills, chi sau, sparring, punch training, wooden dummy, long pole, knives but simultaneously they explain how everything comes together in the end. Everything is connected. And slowly, they are teaching me how to fight... 🙂. Ving Tsun is basicly very simple, but you have to put in much effort and condition your brain and whole body to a point that everything is centered around 1 simple but powerfull tool: the punch! And it takes much effort to master the punch, but it is worth so much!
@@Maarten925 I have some experiences in WT about 2 years but I felt it's not useful,
I research about other Wing Chun lineage and styles, and realized there is another Wing Chun style that it's name is WSL Wing Chun
but there is no good coach and trainer VT in Iran
I had to started Ip Ching VT lineage it's more useful than WT
But I do like learn PHB VT
I spoke one time to Sifu Bayer in telegram and he accepted to teach me in skype platform
he asked about my language knowledge 🙃
I can speak English in intermediate level , but I felt it's not enough
finally, i hole one day start with PHB VT students
As a Chinese Wong Shun Leung lineage disciple which is VT, it's hard to say but have to admit that WT which is Leung Ting lineage is actually fake. He is nothing but a merchant. Don't misunderstand me, I had trained with WT lineage for 1 year before I changed to VT, I even proceeded fast until Chum Kiu, the second form, I couldn't even deal with a single punch from a VT linage student at the very beginning, so there s no way to do sticky hands because I lose my balance immediately. WT is the first lineage I have NEVER seen before that denies power from the ground, and they play forms as techniques as amateurs which doesn't make sense at all, but VT lineage teaches me they are concepts, ideas and trainings for your biomechanics, after extracting those, you are free to go, formless, shapeless.
Therefore I m not promoting myself or my lineage but just sharing my experience, it was also a hard time for me to accept the truth that I wasted tons of money on their fake fancy forms.
@@Babaknmsl As a Chinese Wong Shun Leung lineage disciple which is VT, it's hard to say but have to admit that WT which is Leung Ting lineage is actually fake. He is nothing but a merchant. Don't misunderstand me, I had trained with WT lineage for 1 year before I changed to VT, I even proceeded fast until Chum Kiu, the second form, I couldn't even deal with a single punch from a VT linage student at the very beginning, so there s no way to do sticky hands because I lose my balance immediately. WT is the first lineage I have NEVER seen before that denies power from the ground, and they play forms as techniques as amateurs which doesn't make sense at all, but VT lineage teaches me they are concepts, ideas and trainings for your biomechanics, after extracting those, you are free to go, formless, shapeless.
Therefore I m not promoting myself or my lineage but just sharing my experience, it was also a hard time for me to accept the truth that I wasted tons of money on their fake fancy forms.
@@leoholy9818 I have same story like you, I first started WT in Iran after about 1 year I felt the forms and trains are not useful, I search about other lineage and realized there a lot of Wing Chun lineages ,and changed my coach ,now I train Ip Ching lineage ,and there a lot different with WT, I used to think WT system just in Iran is not good but as you said WT completely is completely fake