Inside the hateful and lonely world of incel men | Uncovering Incels (Part 1) | Short Documentary
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Content warning: Contains violent and distressing content, including references to sexual violence and racist slurs.
The incel community is a world that’s usually closed off to the outside - especially to women. Incels, short for 'involuntary celibates', are mostly lonely young men who can’t find a sexual or romantic partner - and resent women for it.
In this two-part investigation, two female producers meet with current and former incels from around Australia to learn what it means to be an incel.
Chapters:
00:00 - 01:01 Intro
01:30 - 02:14 What is an incel? Meet “Tom”
02:15 - 03:54 What do incels talk about? Inside an incel chatroom
04:21 - 05:04 Having lunch with five incels. Do incels date?
05:03 - 05:54 What do incels believe?
05:55 - 07:20 Where is the incel movement headed?
07:21 - 08:26 Do all incels hate women? What do some incels do to try to attract women?
08:27 - 09:39 Are all incels virgins?
09:40 - 10:22 Incels and relationships?
10:23 - 10:44 Sneak peek of Part 2
Reporter/Producer: Michelle Elias
Producer: Jennifer Luu
Shooters: Daniel Gallagher, James Gilligan, Gavin Blyth
Editors: Gavin Blyth, Mark Tadic, Tom Adams
Sound: Andrew Timlin
Graphics: Caroline Huang
Digital Lead: Jodie Noyce
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/3 men under 30 are virgins in a society where being a male virgin is unacceptable and the pressure is on, what did u think what would happen ??
Imagine being an incel AND living in Australia... Truly a hellish existence
Melbourne here I’m in that hell been in it for 41 years. Incel before the incels, hot tip your over it by 35. I don’t hate women either jhst don’t get em 😂
hey at least you have legal brothels over there lol here in the US it's basically outlawed
It’s over for Australiancels
What's special about Australia specifically?
haha why is australia so bad?
Wanting sex is a normal.human feeling. But basing your entire identity and level of happiness based on having or not having it is alarming.
That's what I never understand. How is sex so important in your life?? Get a hobby or something lol
Bro It Is not about sex. Just be want/loved by someone
no you literally do not understand. It's just not getting sex or a relationship now, it's not even having the hope to get in in the future at any point.
Of course you talk like this because you never found your self in such scenario.
if you actually get into it. It's not about the sex in reality. Even with one of the incels that they showed. He was capable of having sex but he found that not to be enough.
easy to say as a female who never has to prove their worth to society.
Fact of the matter is it's not that alarming because sex and reproduction is a cornerstone of -human- _animal_ existence. This is an existential crisis society is facing, and if it keeps being intellectually dishonest, then it's going to collapse.
Just enjoy the decline I guess.
This is just depressing. I'm 33 and haven't dated/been romantically involved with anyone since college. I've spent my time building up my career and focusing inward. I own my own home/vehicle, have two dogs I adore, money in the bank, and I enjoy my solitude immensely. I wish these younger dudes could become self-reliant and enjoy themselves more in place of such self-hated. I am my own biggest fan and advocate -- I wholeheartedly believe that has been the key to my success and my happiness.
"Women may not have ever been attracted to me but at least I am not an incel"
Yes, you are. If a woman was never attracted to you, you are an incel
i’m so proud of you. Seriously. Thank you.
You're my man. I joined the army to find my worth. But your way works too. Keep on trucking brother 💪
There are 2 types of incels-
1. Entitled pricks who are angry and hateful towards women for not sleeping with them. These are the ones with violent tendencies.
2. Socially awkward/ lonely men, often conventionally unattractive looking who have lost hope and feel like they should give up.
About 8/10 would fall into that second group, but unfortunately the first group is what many people think all incels are like.
Do you really think that the Entitled group are not conventionally unattractive too? HA HA HA. Of course. That doesn't sound as poetic, does it?
people may not want to admit it, but online dating apps have actually been detrimental to Men's mental health
I really think dating apps have been horrible for society
If you found your spouse/significant other through a dating app, then I am happy for you, but the vast majority of people are miserable having to use it
online dating apps should be banned.
What I find a shame is that they define their lives by their inability to be with another person. Relying on another in order to specify significance as a person is damaging and scary
How is it ? What is our purpose as humans ? It is to reproduce with the opposite sex . That’s our main goal . And when your not fulfilling your goal …when your rejected by society ….that’s how people like these incels come about
lol most people date and are fine, they even get fulfilled by relationships. What are you even talking about? 😂
That's what society wants from men
That's normal for men. It's just gone to extremes due to sheltered lifestyles sponsored by internet retention.
No one should define themselves by a relationship or marriage! Goodness me!
I've lived dating pre and post the "dating app era", and I can say without a doubt that dating today feels more like a job interview than a moment of knowledge.
I am a woman that feels that dating apps and social media are largely responsible for the loneliness and lack of connection in society today. I hope people start waking up, turning off the screen and actually embracing the real world again
Raymond literally said "if I don't find a girlfriend until 35, I will find a job". 😂
That's not how it works.
Don’t think it’s hard to talk to a woman, but coming off weird or awkward makes any interaction harder if your already “ugly.” Most women can sense that there’s something off.
If you're ugly don't bother. You don't have a chance anyways.
I am Incel too. At least by definition.
In 33 years of my life I never experienced any kind of romantic contact. I never had a hug, a date or a kiss and obviously no realationship. Getting chronically rejected and therefore living years or decades without any kind of romantic contact is something I wish not my worst enemies. It makes you mentally sick. It has totally brokek me. I am suffering from clinical depressionen, panic attacks and other mental issues due to that.
I'm really sorry you've had to go through this. Every human is deserving of love and you are no exception.
We got this brocel. There's no ideology behind incels that's just the mainstream propaganda.
Here's the thing...you've got have thick skin. I remember reading a phrase years ago that has always helped me:
"One woman, One vote"
...meaning, if 1 girl or 20 girls reject me...that is strictly their opinion. They do not define me or the opinions of the other billions of girls out there. Plus, I talk to EVERYBODY.
You focus on yourself, stop caring so much what others think about you, and flirt with EVERYBODY. It's a numbers game.
I have cptsd from men with all the same symptoms, mine were from two freak grapists and stalkers, but go to therapy,there is cbt and such that will help, I trust men again and am married to an amazing guy. You blaming all women for your problems would be like me saying every single male is a grapist, alot are but alot arnt .
You need to socialize with people, going out and talk to woman more and boost your conversation skills and trust me you will get more confidence. Staying at home won’t get you a girlfriend my friend. Go to the club, cafeteria and talk to woman. It doesn’t matter if you get rejected or not, just talk and talk it will boost your confidence, eventually
you will get a girlfriend.
I was an incel before the term even existed.
I was mercilessly bullied from elementary until High School, and i made what I thought were a circle of friends in college. It turned out that one of the girls in said circle thought I was stalking her, and they were making fun of me behind my back. I became a recluse, and lost trust in people outside of my family for a long time.
I’m 43 years old, autistic (not diagnosed until I was 28), and a recovering alcoholic who used to drink alone. However, I’ve not only sobered up, but I finally got out of retail a while back, and found a much better paying job. One where I’ve made some real friends among my coworkers. I’ve still never been in a relationship, but I don’t care about that anymore. If it happens, great. If not, it’s not a problem.
In my 20s, though, I was enraged over it. I wasted so much time arguing with people on the internet, to the point where it got me banned from my favorite forum at the time. I never said any of the garbage I’ve seen in this video, but I was so blinded by my anger, that i didn’t realize how I was coming off. No one wants to talk to someone who’s that big of an asshole.
I don’t condone any of the vile, sexist, or racist BS that I’ve seen on these Incel forums. Those posts make me even more angry than the kids who bullied me. Those idiots overshadow the rest of us, who are simply reaching out for understanding and compassion, in a world they feel has left them behind.
I just hope these young men find satisfaction in life a little sooner than I did.
i know a lot of women who havent had romantic / sexual relationships with men, and still they blame themselves not men for their situation, it's crazy to think women are the root cause of your problems, especially at such a young age, while being sad and depressed for not being a relationship is not new for any gender.
the violent thoughts they have is genuinely scary
There is no such thing as a female incel
soo true
women tend to blame themselves more than others for their celibacy
What you said is true,let me just say one thing:
Lonely men are genuinely lonely as no woman wants them/finds them interesting.
Lonely women are women who choose to be alone because all the men that like them are seen as not interesting/attracting enough.
Men don’t publicly reject women as women rarely make the advance.
These boys would likely have been benefited several times by women for being awkward then they would harbour unhealthy emotions or want for revenge. An unhealthy or odd mother to son relationship can also cause repressed anger
Therapy would help a lot but it’s rarely accesible to people who need it the most
They should've had men interview the incels...
Male 29 years old. I have been rejected, flaked on and ghosted by every woman I have ever liked my entire life.
😂😂😂😂😂
Did u asked them why?
I am in the same boat as you but I am a 22 year old guy who never had a girlfriend before and its definitely bothering me. I got rejected by 4 girls recently. I asked out my childhood friend 2 months ago and she is 21 now turning 22 soon but she isn't that active on Instagram so she took a month to reply to it but she agreed to meet up and again didn't reply for over a month about when we can meet up. I have been chatting with another girl on Instagram since 28th May 2023. She is 19 now and she used to be in the same school as me but we didn't know each other in school days and now we are in different colleges but her college is very near to my home. We chat daily and she shares everything to me and I do the same too and we even send each other virtual hugs but there is still no flirting yet. It looks like she still sees me as a friend. I wanna ask her out but I am nervous especially after getting rejected 4 times recently. Is 1 month long enough to know whether she is interested in me or not?
That made me curious. Why didn't you settle with a girl that people usually describe as PickMe? All my life, there's always that one girl who would avoid being friends with women and wants to please men.
Props to the researchers. You approached this with a lot of curiosity and empathy. It would have been so easy to impulsively react to and argue about some of the things they said, but it’s great that you gave them the space to express themselves and their worldview. It’s so sad to see young men like this.
I don't feel sympathy for them at all. Act stupid and ridiculous and hateful towards women and then get surprised when women sense your awfulness and run for the hills. I wouldn't touch people like this with a barge pole. Their hatred is an illness. Very very sick individuals
i wish all were like this so we could throw this perverted idea of "freedom" and female led societies
Awww so saaaad
This dude isn't an incel, the mask gives it away i.e. the mask is associated with fringe left-wing elements and incels are almost exclusively crypto-fascists who click with forum culture.
@@tessy28 The vast majority are not hateful. Why are you painting 100s of millions of men with the same brush?
Usually, these guys have gone through something extremely traumatic or negative during school which have destroyed their worldview. I feel sorry for them. The current dating game and scene doesnt help either.
True
I blame social media and online porn. Studies show that that shit does a real number on a young mind.
It’s a very dark slippery slope
These times are unreasonable, but they're still spastic.
Thank you. The empathy shows, and helps.
most people in the comments who complain about this wouldn't care if you disappeared forever. never take advice from people who don't care about you.
The problem is that these boys/men could probably get a girl but the constant rejection has made them insecure and most of all bitter. A man who is bitter is an absolute turn off and we can sense it from miles away. I am not putting the fault on anyone except the superficial society we live in, it is a vicious circle really.
I really hope the best for Raymond, he seems like a genuinely nice person, it’s easier said then done but I don’t think a relationship is completely impossible for him, he doesn’t have the disgusting and aggressive mindset of violence that will also turn women away. I just think maybe if he seeks a therapist or a life coach to help his social anxiety and skills to be able to comfortably speak to women more would help. Like I don’t see him as unattractive, like he’s your average guy as most people are. I feel with media you see all these beautiful people so much more that it kinda destroys your perspective of the world that the average person doesn’t have the crystal clear skin etc. and it’s harder to see the human in them through the screen because a lot of it so much more fake.
I am in the same situation.
In 33 years of my life I never experienced any kind of romantic contact. I never had a hug, a date or a kiss and obviously no realationship. Though I tired everything I can like asking women out, approaching them or using dating apps. Like Raymond I also tried to improve in the best way i can. I do sports, I have interests like playing Ukulel and over the years I went out on some adventures to get out of the comfort zone. But nothing worked. Not one single women ever considered me for nothing less than a date - and obviously anything beyond that.
It totally destroyed me mentally. I dont know what to do anymore.
I am 27 and I am a virgin because I guess I am pretty ugly - every girl I ever asked out immediately rejected me on the basis of my appearance and height (171cm). At this point, I have forced myself to no longer care about attractive girls - when I pass by one, I just pretend they don’t exist. Sometimes, I still get mad when I hear about the wild successes of some of my attractive friends - they date a different girl each week. There is a stark contrast in our lives.
On the positive side, I have secured a stellar investment banking job in which I already make $500k net per annum. So, it’s not all doom & gloom:)
1/3 men under 30 are virgins in a society where being a male virgin is unacceptable and the pressure is on, what did u think what would happen ??
Women are sIut shamed while men a virgin shamed.
It's just what it is
I’m certainly NOT an incel in any form! but it’s hard not to sympathise with these people some what, as a guy myself, dating is stupidly hard nowadays for men, and its hard not to feel down sometimes from the lack of attention, so I feel sorry for them on that matter.
Yea I've only been with one girl my wife and she's fat AF.
Apparently I'm good looking, but objectively I have an 8 in dick, 6 ft tall pretty much (5'11) make six figures own multiple homes and cars outright.
I've been with my wife for like 12 yrs tho but like I just see how it is trying to get a threesome going, like impossible wtf man.
You're saying it like it's easy for women...
It's one thing to feel demoralized and exhausted, and it's something entirely different to cheer on violence against women out of a desire for comeuppance.
Boo hooo 😂😂😂😂
If these are what male incels are.. What are females with misandrist believes and standards? Is it really viewed the same way when males are sexualized by women? Why are those females called feminist and are seen as fighting for there right and worth meanwhile these men are called incels and seen as failures when it’s actually society that has failed them and made them felt like the only way they have a value in life is by interacting with females? Is this really the dark side of themselves or reality of the dark side society offers to men?
This is what desperate loneliness looks like...
Incel is a state of being, literally a portmanteau of the words "Involuntarily" and "Celibate". It's not a philosophy in itself, such as the blue-, red- or blackpill.
It starts with a condition, leads to an identity , and culminates in a philosophy oftentimes.
Being referred to as “female” is so unsettling like we aren’t human
Wow what a female thing to say
i know right, nobody ever calls them males
There is a difference between women and females, but I get your point
humans can't be female?
Hate to say it but i almost cant even be mad at an incel, alot of how the world views you is how you look and how people perceive you, and if someones born with physically unnatractive genes i dont know how it could be possible to be confident around woman. Because woman 100% treat you differently as a man depending on how you look. Seen it 1000 times. Its a messed up reality. None of the woman hating is right, but the looks theory is plainly obvious.
I agree. I never dated an ugly guy. It's just *not* natural
Hmmm I wonder why more women aren’t incels? Women have been getting judge on their looks since the dawn of time. Why aren’t more women incels. We get rejected abused, raped, objectified, belittled and ignored. And that’s not just the girls y’all deem unattractive. Women should be the one in the chat rooms but yet white fragil men want to kill women for not wanting to be with them bc they think it’s ok to kill a woman for not being with him.
As a woman may I say that women can grow to love a man they do not find to be the most attractive. Confidence, personal success and the respect from others around them can change how a man is viewed. Also as a women ages their priorities change they start to look for a provider and a protector someone trustworthy and honest who makes them feel special.Looks fade but these other assets can last a lifetime.
As a young man, the sexual compulsion is incredibly powerful and it seems like everyone is having sex . . . except you - but, of course, it's an illusion and in large part due to relentless marketing centered around sexual attraction.
1. unemployed
2. mental health issue
3 . insecure about their looks
yes, I have 2 out of 3 of these problems, and I would 100% say that is the reason why. It stems from 1 or 2 of those 3 things.
Definitely the first 2 tbh
all of those 3 it stem from genetics/looks
Well. I own house car, employed and go to gym. Am a bit insecure about my looks, but hey, nobody is perfect. Still get no gf.
Looks/height is 90%. Chad doesnt need a job. Chad can be an anxious, manipulative trainwreck but it doesnt matter.
I guess I'm an INCEL. I faced a lot of abuse as a child and caused me to become extremely introverted. Add that to a 5' 7" frame and you have a recipe for a lonely life. It bothered me a lot in my teens and twenties, but realized I need to embrace my solitude instead of hating the world or I, myself, would go crazy.
It's a "dog eat dog world" and we are witnessing the survival of the fittest.
Dating is shallow
When you are judged on a face
Dont be suprised when another one takes your place
I was so close to becoming an incel. I was never a misogynist as my hatred was aimed at myself. I too am autistic (mild case) but for 20 years (since 7th/8th grade as I was bullied by ALOT of most attractive girls) and until I was 33 I subconsciously generalized all women into liking the same type of guy ie: the suave super confident non autistic who had the "special label" as I was in those classes half the time and never tried to date a girl as I felt too flawed and undeserving until I found out that love builds up over time as I thought women chose on the spot after talking for a half hour to be a couple or not and being autistic is not the dealbreaker of all dealbreaker I thought it was. It's more about loving another person for who they are and that no one is perfect. I'm now 36 still single/virgin but I'm trying to be myself around women (even with my female friends) but still find myself masking my autism like I have been doing those 20 years.
Hard reality - dating and relationships are based on your looks, including height. Personality only matters when you already have the door opened from having decent looks. I'm 35 and no amount of self improvement I've done has made a difference. My looks and height are what stop me from attracting women.
I love how they only pick the weirdest dudes to make incels look like violent misogynists when literally the average man is an incel. Like literally every dude you know is probably an incel.
The Internet is slowly killing our society.
shoutout to these girls who put themselves into uncomfortable situations…
So being lonely, is now a crime. Great,thanx for that.
thanks for ignoring the fact they actively shame women
This is depressing because they're all so young. Just a little bit of positive guidance would make a huge difference.
Not all of us are young.
I've received positive guidance.
I know now I can't expect sex without work.
At the same time, I'm sad because other people are having sex when I'm not.
I'm abnormal for being a virgin at 28.
Incels: Why can’t I find a gf?
Also incels: *spends all day inside never putting themselves out there, doesn’t take care of themselves, spends all day complaining about women voicing hatred and violence towards them
Oh wow it's me...
Pretty sad lol
Yo
you're famous bro.
@@mr.m6038
Certified Teeheee momento
@@mr.m6038 asexualmaxxing lol
Raymond seems like a good genuine dude. He had potential. I wish him the best.
Been a incel for 2 years now and didn’t even know it
Yep so many guys are incels in denial or just lack the self awareness.
@@Buddyboyo7 I bet 200 bucks over 50% of the resentfull people in the comments here, beating down on incels are IID themselves. The rest if mostly women who think they would not be incels, if they had been born male. I dare them: Just do the test. Make a profile with a picture of you. Use an app to turn your digital persona into a male and try to have any success. Best of luck buddy boyerinas.
The literal term of being involuntary celibate isn’t that bad but if you take it out on an entire group of people that’s when it turns bad
@@Buddyboyo7 yep the ones that make fun of them they really need a blackpill moment
mine was just being the ugly friend of the group which was a bunch of blackpill moments
but i assume these people dont have friends and cope with money or something idk
they are super delusional and narrow minded
its weird asf
@@nocturnaljoe9543brootal. OvER for buddy boyerinas 😢
Attacking the most defenseless and isolated people in society. Because that's what good guys do.
As a person who had lot of trouble when I was younger long before incel's and the internet existed for me my problems started at a young age in grade school 6 or 7th grade. I had dandruff girls would call me disgusting, I was bullied by everyone even teachers. What they got me to believe I was all those things about myself. That is where I I went wrong. I learned to stay away from bullies and mean girls who hanged around with those kids. That sort of stuck with me all the way through high school. Kids that have low self-esteems attract bullies because they are easy targets. Somehow, I actually had a few GFs in my late teens years it was short lived. Looking back on it now I remember girls who did like me I had judged myself to the point where I felt like I wasn't worth much why would anyone like me. I can remember sitting alone and thinking what my future would be like. I remember this girl leaving her phone number in my yearbook she went out of her way to sign it I didn't think anything about it. There is lot of other things that happened I'm married now been for long time in my 50's now. It wasn't girls who were the problem it was me I was the one who was broken. If you're having trouble in life with meeting girls try to figure out how to improve your own life even if you have to get therapy, do it don't waste your younger years on sitting around feeling sorry for yourself.
black pill is real
No it isn't. It is from a science-fiction movie. It's a safe bet anyone who goes on about "red pills" and so on isn't getting good grades in school.
Is it possible that incels have personality and character flaws that women just don't like? If you hate women then why the hell should women date you? Most women don't like assholes. Just saying
Damn i better stay a nice guy then 😂
I learned in my 23 years of life, that you cant force things to happen. If you aren't chosen. Give up and find other things in life to focus on. Chad and Tyrones are always gonna win.
amen
Your first tip. Stop referring to people as Chads, Tyrone and Stacey's
truly over
Most men are brainwashed by the media and internet to put pussy on a pedestal and to think like having sex and getting laid is the sole purpose in life. Men must find their own way through this life with his own judgements, not by some autistic "pill" ideology. Internet and social media is brainwashing men.
Facts. I’m not going to be the beta waiting for her during her 30s
I thought i was an incel but after this video i realized i'm mostly a misanthrope. I love to be alone
This is like the most first-world problem I’ve ever heard of.
Incel men hating women while simultaneously blaming women for how pathetic they are is actually just a universal problem that breeds violence and misogyny…
I wouldn’t call mental issues due to a lack of human interaction a first world problem it’s kind of human nature to desire connections
Unfortunately incels in the US are also often right wingers. That combination is dangerous and should be treated as the clear and present danger that they are. As recognized by every major law enforcement agency in the US, they are the most serious terroristic threat in the nation. It's not a trivial problem.
yep, because other countries don't have a strong relliance on social media apps to find a mate and date.
"Most first-world problem"? You think that lack of support for men in our society, plummeting birth rates, raising number of virgins and people who are giving up on relationships because it just became too hard and many, many more is "most first-world problem"? I don't know if you realize but this "first-world problem" may be the reason that the entire countries will collapse. Literally. Who is gonna work? Who is gonna pay taxes? Who is gonna fund all the social programs? Yeah, exactly.
I’m only 18 but from what I’ve experienced as well as seen around me, it’s normally very hard to find a girlfriend/partner if you’re only doing stuff to deliberately find a gf. You can’t join a club or social event purely for getting a gf, that’s never going to work. You need to be confident in yourself, pursue your aspirations and hobbies first. Live life, and maybe you’ll bump into someone and form a strong friendship with someone which could develop into something more eventually. It has to come naturally, you can’t force it and it sure as well doesn’t help thinking all women are the same.
However this is only from my experience and what I’ve seen from those around me. I’m still young as well as all the other guys around me and so it’s easier to find a gf/female friends and change who we are. I rather more feel terrible for middle aged men who are lonely, idk what the solution would be.
There is none. At this point, a person is already formed and becomes very resistant to changing. If one is a virgin with no dating experience by the age of 23-25 (around that time), then he will remain alone in 99% of the cases. Either cope or rope
These are lonely men and they treat them like terrorists 😂
When you kill someone, or support someone that kill someone, you ARE a terrorist
Although I’m not technically an Incel since I’ve been involved in a non platonic relationship in the past, I’ve been ostracized for a long time now socially, romantically and sexually. It’s good to see the majority of the comments here showing empathy even if they disagree. While I myself don’t condone violent actions or thoughts, loneliness, deprivation, harassment in school, and rejection despite trying can really screw up your mind to the point where you MIGHT become radicalized.
the title alone is incredibly biased. Let people draw their own conclusions.
Wow, this documentary is so sad and upsetting. I had no idea this was a thing.
I think there is a difference between incel and virgin. People can still be virgins and focus on passions, work or business. Incela seem to roll around in their own misery/inadequacy.
Yep.
The label makes no difference. It’s more of a pre-determined circumstance/situation in which men cannot get laid even if they try. The differences between a virgin who can’t get sex and doesn’t proclaim himself as a “Incel” versus one who does proclaim is essentially negligible.
nobody is a virgin by choice if a female hasnt said you are hot in the last MONTH! its over
Incel = involuntary celibate. If you want to fullfil your sexual needs but you can't then you are by definiton an incel
Yup alot of negative self talk and self loathing. Everyone can feel the negative vibes they are dumping out into the world. Most normal people steer clear of that type of energy. It's boardline anti social and almost psychopathy.
I HATE these manufactured labels like Incel and Karen. They are people, and all different. JFC.
Woah so people still use the word "incel" to talk about incels, well i'm happy about this, it's been 4 years since everyone uses the word "incel" to talk about "every person i don't agree with"
The Internet is the root for this generations destruction
Lmaooo my man Decline is in the documentary 😂😂😂😂
Noticed it too 😂😂😂. When you know Decline, its over.
I'm cheering for you. Raymond!!
I'm Incel and I'm 33 years old, I know what it's like, it's something that messes with your self-esteem too much, and can even generate emotional illnesses and scars in our soul... I think I'm ugly, discouraged, sad, head down, many girls and women already rejected me
This is incredibly sad.
I grieve for these young men. It feels like crabs in a bucket, for them to feel so much hurt and hatred for yourself and a path of life you think you're stuck in, and to just perpetuate it...
The darkness hatred they feel towards not just women but other groups of people is hard to look past or forgive, but the constant circulation of hatred and hurt caused by loneliness and longing for compassion and humanity... that kind of hurt runs deep, and to know there are those who would perpetuate it and continue keeping themselves and others hurting is tragic.
Women peak at TWELVE????? thats not a woman boy thats a kid
Im 27 virgin to this day,have good family,okay job and university degree,the people around me always wondered why im single,i wondering myself, maybe i ask few girls or im not wealthy.i know be alone man is hard but we must improve ourselves and not hateful to girls.they have right to choose .Finding girlfriend is part of life not the life itself. I try live happy and try to find girlfriend but if i didn't i keep trying to be successful even im live in iran (east Azerbaijan province if you wonder why i call myself Azerbaijani)and there is alot of problem like very high inflation. So to friends who like me an incel ,virgin or celibate.try see good things in your life ,try to find girlfriend but focus on other part of life. Your work is important and after that your fitness.if you are depression like me , still you must fight in this harsh life.I hope all of us can have happy and good life.
It's interesting differently our society treats incel men versus incel women.
I used to feel the same. I finally managed it at 34, and to be honest relationships are difficult and painful. Loneliness was easier!! But it should not be that way….. it should not be so hard. I’m 58 now and that relationship almost killed me.
We were born ugly. The world will never forgive us for it.
All I know of love has been excruciating pain and loss.
Everything I learned about love, I learned while working in a nursing home.
You can't blame a lot of us who literally can't find anyone here, it's just that difficult. Too high standards, passing by Peter Parker but wanting Spiderman everyday is the exact way I can describe it now.
I don't have a arm, I walk with a limp and I have autism and I have a partner. What's your excuse other than your unrealistic standards?
Trust me mate it has nothing to do with your look, it's your personality.
The Peter Parker and Spiderman analogy is soo good and true. It's literally the same guy but in MJ's mind there is no way a nerdy loser is Spiderman, it doesn't even cross her mind that it could be him.
I can blame you. Nobody is entitled to my body. I'm a csa survivor and I just want to be alone.
cringe
I can’t believe there’s actually a documentary!
The Raymond part was so depressing, seems like the gym was actually working for him (health wise), and he intentionally does not do what he enjoys due to the pursuit of a relationship.
Thats my man declineee
The internet destroyed relationships.
The sad thing is that its a vicius cycle. Not having luck one time worsens the next and the next and so on until they think its impossible
I'm an incel by definition, not really by views. It's been almost 6 years since I had any romantic contact with a woman, and it's not for lack of trying. I'm tall, I've got many interests, I have a good job, and I'm educated, but still I struggle. Dating apps don't work for me and I've got so much trauma from growing up as an outcast that I probably won't ever feel comfortable enough to put myself out there. It doesn't help seeing so many women talking about their impossible standards for men.
>[indenialÇel]
Womens standards are literally just a funny gentleman that treats them with respect, ive seen maybe a small amount of guys however that don’t hyperfixate on a woman’s physical appearance
I feel really bad for Raymond, you can tell he's trying his hardest to attract women but he's focusing on the wrong things (probably due to buying into the redpill) and is focusing on physical self-improvement like getting massive muscles rather than mental improvement like social skills training and therapy. Great to see that he has managed to (at least) get away from the black pill ideology though because that can easily lead you to suicide.
Having bigger muscles will make you more attractive generally. Therapy and social skills don't make you more attractive sorry. Looks matter
If you dont have then you don't. It's over. Anything else is a delusion. The west is very corrupted.
Combination of social skills and some physicality is attractive. Social skills begin with friendships, esp with women…to understand them as humans
Gym will improve his physical health, strength and self-esteem - I see literally nothing wrong with that.
And proper therapy is an expensive thing, not everyone can afford such luxury, especially young people without well-paying career.
Be honest, tell me what outcomes from therapy will benefit him when his goals?
most men are not incel because a 3 thinks she deserves a 10
Honestly we all recognise there is a massive social problem with men and women today, but some of the posts that these guys make are disgusting. Its counterproductive and dangerous. And calling women horrible names and posting hateful disturbing messages and images definitely wont help your cause.
When the 30y old man says "maybe get a job" you know exactly what is the problem. Dude, stop pursuing girls, go get a job! How do you even pay your bills, your water and house???
chad = aww he is so cute
ugly man = eww he is a misogynist
I don't hate women, i'm just confused, lonely and a little envious of people who have it all figured out.
There's nothing to figure out. It's all looks.
I hate
Have it all figured out is short for have all the looks
The thing to realize is that nobody has it all figured out, and we all have our different struggles. Some folks are great at hiding their problems until you talk to them, their lives may seem perfect, but they could still feel unhappy or unfulfilled.
Did the incel community noticed that many of them said that they are autistic?
Nothing wrong with having a hard time with dating if you have autism.
Except autistic people get dates.
I may not be an incel (I currently have a wonderful wife and two kids) - but I used to be one. I got extremely lucky. Right place, right time, right person. That being said, I sincerely empathize and identify with these men. If I had found out about inceldom and the redpill/blackpill before I got married... I don't know what kind of state I'd be in now.
"Hello female" wow
They are trying to protect themselves from hurt by avoiding life in its entirety. By assuming a negative outcome and avoiding interaction, that can be achieved. For some people, it is worth it. They lack the self-confidence needed to develop a relationship. Resentment is used as justification.
The best indicator to forecast future events is past events.
You normies always downplay this stuff as if it was a 50/50 coin toss wether the girl says yes or no, when in reality you either get a no or get humiliated on top of you are extra unattractive. Life is not a disconnected sequence of events, it is one linear experience.
Envy of others, body dysmorphia, outdated gender beliefs, insecurity, self loathing, and potential narcissism has created this toxic mess.
On one hand they need help, but on the other they look down on getting help as Manosphere doctrines has these young men in a invisible prison cell of their own making.
They crave yet loathe women in a paradoxical duality of thought. Thought that originates from others via the Manosphere.
How do you help those who hate themselves as well as having a external locus of control?
Nailed it!
@@j.d.s.8132 Re-read the comment. He's descriving you. "They are trying to protect themselves from hurt by avoiding life in its entirety. By assuming a negative outcome and avoiding interaction, that can be achieved."
Stop. Assuming.
@@j.d.s.8132 What a loser mentality, maybe it’s better that these incels hide in their mom’s basement. Nobody wants a sulking, sad manbaby. Life is tough for everybody on different aspects, normal people just choose to get over it and use it to become a better person and prove others wrong. There are people who literally went through war, lost half their family and still managed to build their lives up and become successful. And here these incels are, crying about looking ugly while having safety, a place to live and food. B-b-but the girls are being so mean to me, my life is miserable 😢 What a joke
Imagine not talking to a girl outside your family for 3 years and then you gotta talk to a girl on camera 😳
im short and ugly and not allowed to experience love i hate this life so much there is no magic here
PART 2!!!!
Any sympathy I felt for them was lost within seconds seeing those misogynistic messages. No woman should have to be with men who see women that way. It’s their horrible personality that means they’re alone.
At least that one incel in this video is working out hard, kudos to him for physically trying to change himself.
Speaking as a man I don't think most women care what a guy looks like and the one's that are hung up on physical appearences probably aren't fun to be around anyway.
0:19 is a truecel, been over
the bro at 7:20 :(
I'm with you in spirit, keep grinding you beautiful soul
I grew up with brothers and a sister. Most have atleast two divorces and unfortunately I had to hear all of it. I'm not going to talk about the deaths. I'm in my 50's and I will never get married or have a wife.
InCel Dad : "So, when you gonna get a girlfriend, Son?"
InCel Son : "Probably when females are born blind, Dad. Or, when there are no more chads in society. Perhaps both."
When women do the same, it is called feminism.
Feminism isn't about women having access to sex
Mogs me for having an incel friend group.
I don’t know how to understand or deal with women beating me down for my appearance my whole entire life.