I mean the Death Star would have at least been an enviable long term investment... Had it not been sabotaged by it’s head engineer from the get go. Even without the planet killer laser, it was a literal world in and of itself, capable of intergalactic transit on it’s own accord, ferrying *Millions* of assets, from manpower to supplies, tech, R&D, Prisoners and high value VIP’s that held the highest need for protections, all in a planet sized structure built from the strongest materials of an interstellar empire, reinforced with the strongest shields and tractor beams, hordes of various munitions in and on the station, and a menagerie of other defense systems, ect... to the point where it’d probably be easier to fight an actual, natural planet then a Death Star. Holdo’s Hyperspace Ramming maneuver? The Death Stars sheer size and resultant durability would probably allow the station to shrug off any such blows from all but the largest of ships in the galaxy, certainly much larger then Holdo’s, or anything one would expect a struggling rebellion to muster up. Even if the rebellion “could” use such a tactic to destroy the Death Star, it’s likely have to be the largest ship they ever had, stuffed to the brim with practically their entire arsenal to boot, and if the Death Star has systems to shut down nearby Hyperspace transit, them forget it. And to top it all off, if properly stationed and maintained, the Death Star could be expected to serve and be useful for probably Millennia, maybe even forever, potentially to the point where further upgrades would allow it to engage in Trans-galactic travel, and would have been the flagship of an empire on the verge of going from “galactic” to *”universal.”* Look at it like this: The TIE defender would have been the better option for a newborn empire, doubtlessly. BUT if the Empire could have survived the age of serious rebellions, then the Death Star would have been a perfect endgame for an ever expanding empire. An investment like the Death Star would have literal worlds worth of higher potential beyond an equivalent fleet of upgraded star destroyers and other assets. But alas, the timing was off. Such an undertaking would have been best in at least another 30 years minimum once the last of the galaxy’s resistance had been culled.
Problem was Sidious's philosophy. He wanted a weapon that inspired fear, causing entire systems to go into the fetal position. I agree investing the same amount of money into defenders or more ISD's would've been strategically more effective, but people would still think they had a chance.
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire While this is true, the point of the Death Star was to use fear to keep the galaxy in line, aka The Tarkin Doctrine. Unfortunately, this backfired. I agree that the DS-1 Deep Space Mobile Battlestation would have been perfect for an Empire triumphant, but Palpatine had this puppy in the works for quite a while. His whole game was to create an endgame scenario so that he could spend his time cheating death and becoming more powerful in the Force. Thus, the Death Star was what would keep the Galaxy in place long enough so that he might transcend the need for any technological terrors. I feel that the TIE Defender was the perfect tool to counter the Rebellion's starfighter guerilla strategy. The best thing the Emperor could have done would be to continue fleetbuilding while slowly building and completing the second station, and then use it as a mobile capital, as Snoke used the Supremacy.
hmm i was thinking about that scene and it would have made sense if he were to think it shields were also down for a time. if his shots pierced it would have killed the pilot.
That was the show making a reference to the classic movie, Patton, where General Patton started firing his pistol at a German plane strafing the street he was on, lol.
Not only do all these scenes show the TIE Defender's capabilities, they also show Thrawn's excellent abilities in tactical assessment and how well he knows his enemy. He knows how capable they are, maintains realistic expectations throughout, and that allows him to anticipate their moves to counter more effectively. Honestly, if the people under his command would follow his instructions more effectively, the rebels likely wouldn't have outmaneuvered him anywhere near as often.
They couldn't have outmaneuvered him. Thrawn is just that good but unfortunately for him too many in the Empire are so inept. Heck the only reason why Thrawn is even with the Empire is because of their vast resources and power which he intends to use to benefit the Chiss. At the end of the day Thrawn's loyalty was always to his people but he worked for the Empire to ensure they wouldn't come after his people.
To be fair, the rebels would have been wiped out, but they would have needed to sacrifice a lot of imperial control over a lot of the outer rim and other sections, since a Tie Defender is like 6 Tie Fighters in cost, or more. The initial wave of rebels would be destroyed, yes, but the empire ran the risk of letting a much, *much* larger portion of the galaxy rebel against them, and we all know how palpatine governs, control is more important.
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly That is why the Tie Hunter should be standard. It cost only 100K (70K for a regular tie) but has, twice the firepower / can ionize them, proton torpedos, shields, hyperdrive, and faster / more maneuverable than even the tie interceptor which is 75K in legends. They would actually save money since a lot fewer ties should be taken down with shields and such. They only produced the Tie Hunter for special forces. This is how I would set it up. - Tie version of the vulture droid which would cost around 40K. It would work exactly like how CIS vulture droid worked. Overwhelm them with numbers but don't use pilots. Plus it even had missiles, pull off maneuvers that humans can't cause of GForce, explode on command, and do suicide crashes onto the enemy ships if needed. Tie/D is stupidly expensive and I think a horrible option as I don't think it's even that good. Plus its design is ugly as f@#:) - Tie hunter as standard - Tie defender for best pilots if they want them - Tie bomber of course. -Tie Phantoms (Extra but would be really helpful) In Legends one of the reasons why there were no droids really used by the Empire was kinda dumb. Palpatine did not want the civilians to have PTSD from the clone wars. Not cause he was nice of course but to keep the public in their favor. Pretty dumb in my opinion. The Imperial Senate even passed bills forbidding their use on the front lines.
I noticed the different markings on the TIE Defenders, but I didn’t realise until now that _every_ TIE Defender in the show has a different appearance. The first was plain grey, as it’s just a plain TIE Defender. The second has red markings that presumably mark it as a TIE Defender Elite. The third has yellow markings that presumably mark it as belonging to that Commander.
That's what made Thrawn such a good villain. He wasn't evil as such, he wasn't arrogant, and he wasn't too proud to back off when he knew he'd lost. Extract from 'The Last Command' Joruus C'baoth (mad Dark Jed): You never would have spoken to the Emperor that way. Thrawn: On the contrary. On no less than four occasions I told the Emperor I would not engage a foe I was not yet adequately prepared to defeat. Joruus C'baoth: Only fools spoke to the Emperor that way. Fools, or those tired of life. Thrawn: The Emperor thought so too. The first time I refused his orders he called me a traitor and gave my attack force to someone else. Following its' destruction, he knew better than to ignore my recommendations.
@@babs2952 nah, Ace Combat has been around since the 90s, and even though AC7 was the first game in the series to allow the player to do post stall maneuvers, enemies in those games could do them since AC2
I wonder if Thrawn standing his ground and shooting at the fighter is a reference to the movie 'Patton', which depicts General George Patton doing the same against a pair of German bombers.
That’s not plot armor, if that was a normal TIE Sabine would get shot in the head, Thrawn’s shots were that accurate, but because it’s a TIE/D Elite the shots got deflected by the shields.
If Sidious was smart, he would have known that a superfighter that could easily best any fighter the rebels could come up with and even damage warships was a better investment than an oversized space station that couldn't be everywhere at once and was only useful for subjugation
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly most but not all. The Empire can't call the entire rebellion traitors just because some imperials defected. That's like saying all Americans are racist just because of some aholes.
That is a by the book soldier: you don’t have to die for some failure of a politician who could’t keep the corrupt republic senate and decided Terrorism was the way to go.
The tie defender, in my opinion, would have been a turning point of all naval engagements going forward had it been properly developed into the imperial navy. As a RAW, someone who knows his way around the cockpit, but isn’t the best, was able to take down three trained tie, interceptor‘s, or considered elites above tie fighters. if every single fighters an imperial navy was made as a tie defender, there would be no naval engagement that the Empire was losing. The empire would’ve had the superior starfighter advantage, which would’ve severely weekend, the rivals, because rebels relied on small craft, and advanced shielding and weapons.
I love that it sounds like a Striker _and_ they referenced the Striker when they were tracking the fight Wish those sounds were public… they're so cool
I like how the Tie Defender is introduced. Up to this point, most people know the basic's of tie's. always needing to be carried in and pretty weak. Then This thing shows up. It jumps out of hyperspace on its own, and immediately rains heck and havoc on the rebellion. Its hit with a laser cannon but it does nothing, has it just returns with powerful laser barrages on the squadron. Its taken what we know about Tie fighter's, and chucked it out the window. We know a swarm of regular tie fighters is a problem, but seeing how much damage ONE of these Defender's cause. I think this also feeds into its design, being completely different from all other Tie fighters. The tie advance still only had 2 wings. This thing has 3 wings, completely different from all other variants, truly signifying its not like the rest. Its not disposable like the fighter and interceptor. Its not a prototype like the advance. This thing, is a fully tested, fully operational, product, ready to rain hell on the rebellion. Then there's the TIE Elite, which isn't even making the same sound has a TIE, it almost sounds like it isn't even a Tie anymore, its something completely different. It even launch's missile, something that LITTERALLY NO TIE HAS BEEN SEEN DOING (I say see because yes the advance does have missiles but we never see them use it. And the bomber is the bomber. not much of a threat)
Now that was a true beauty, Zaarin's TIE Defender. The Alt-universe Thrawn variant feels like a cheap knock-off... come on, no ion cannons?! Granted, there's the beast known as the Missile Boat in mind.
I was first introduced to the Tie Defender in Star Wars Empire at War Forces of Corruption. Love at first sight. When they first showed the blueprints in the series, I gasped so loudly. Add one more reason I love the animated series
Death star was cool and all but I feel like it should have been developed after the TIE defender project was completed so they could recover money and then actually get budget to build a battle station. That could have made a deadly combo of tie defenders filling the DS's hangars
An interesting concept, but not doable, considering how expensive the tie defender is in comparison to standard tie fighters, 300 000 credits vs 60 000. Thats 5 tie fighters to 1 tie defender. Even the tie interceptor is much cheaper then the tie defender at 120 000 credits. Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that if every tie fighter was replaced with defenders then the empire would have rained supreme for sure, but the shere cost on that scale would not have been doabol, also considering that at a rough estimate that the empire had at its minimum made 4,2 milioen tie fighters. Maybe have say, the ace of every star destroyer fly on defenders, could maybe work at the start and work in more afterword.
Its probably far more viable to invest in developing a fleet of tie defenders than to be an idiot and build a second death star with all of the weaknesses of the first.
@@hggs4466 Not just any rebel ships but there biggest ships with ease. Those things were built to munch rebel ships and keep on trucking just like the B-wing was built to munch ISD's.
@@hggs4466 Absolutely! Since the Rebellion relied on starfighters for the most part, having something that can counter that be mass produced would've been greatly beneficial.
@@welkingunther5417 not only that but most of its assets like It's leader ship for the most part was held most within rather venerable ships that without fighter protection would lead to the head of the rebellion being chopped off effectively
You forgot the clip where the Arquitens deploys two TIE Defenders to attack Ezra and Sabine when they were raiding the communications outpost, the giant sat.dish.
The death star cost over 1 trillion credits. With that money you could give every isd a compliment of TIE defenders plus two lancer class frigate escorts.
2:09 These are what the rebels are lawbreakers in war you cannot attack an enemy ship that can not fight and some rebels like him just see it as a game
Looking back at Star Wars in general, it would feel like earthly laws and customs of war like the Geneva conventions have the same respect you’d give your toilet paper.... actually that’s too kind a comparison, at least toilet paper gets hoarded these days. Someone actually did a collection of onscreen war crimes committed through the clone wars series: czcams.com/video/onmbtPL1N1c/video.html
Oh as a Fan of the old DOS TIE Fighter game, this made me have a smile on my face. Too bad it didn't have ion cannons mounted on the top wing/radiator like in the game though.
Well spoken, and even moreso with the X-Wing video game's Battle of Turkana being a far better X-Wing introduction compared to... whatever the kriff Rebels Season 4 morbidly gave us.
no that’s not a cobra, to achieve a actual cobra the plane needs to pitch more than 100 degrees, that’s just a aerobatic manoeuvre that looks like a cobra.
Ironic is, Vader did USE the TIE Defender in a Thrawn book and that was him who recommended some improves to Thrawn that it leads to the TIE Defender Elite model.
Is know one gonna talk about how cold Thrawn is by just standing there and firing at Ezra and Sabine . The best Imperial Admiral Hope to see him in Ashoka
people compare the x-wing to the F-15 but I'd say its more like the Su-27...its the heavyweight fighter of the underdogs in real world air forces. Hell the successive iterations (like the Su-33 or early Su-35) have canards on them (like the T-85 x-wing)
@@Chadaface The Su-35 doesn't have canards actually. The 33, 34, 37 and 30SM models have. Anyway. Officially the X-wing has been said to be inspired by the Spitfire of WW2, whereas the TIE fighters are Messers/Zeroes. At least in the narrative sense. I do agree though that the X-85 has the best design out of X-wing types so far, at least in the new canon.
I have a feeling that the Tie Defender will return in the new Ahoska serie. The reason is with the return of Thrawn he may want to bring back the program for his fleet?
7:44 You know what gets me off? The i in the sentence is not capitalized while every other letter is, also its assault Also based on your logic (the i) it’s spelled THiRD
"cmon you bastards, take a shot at me right in the nose!" "get back here Thrawn, we need a Fleet commander, not a casualty!" *shoots at the Tie Defender* "if i could find the person flying, i'd give them a medal"
Carry proton bombs or torpedoes that's going to be a problem for a Capital ship like a Mon Calamari cruiser without any escorts being a Corellian Corvette and the replenishment ships GR-75s
@@spynix0718I wonder if they fire it in a barrage would that be enough to take down the replenishment ships GR 75s followed by the capital ship escorts Corellian Corvette. The realistic option for an Imperial Admiral would have been something like this TIE Defenders get released first and then have the Arquitens Imperial Star Destroyers jump to lightspeed with the Defenders then launch the TIE Bomber
The only problem I have with the final Rebel assault scene is that Hera Syndulla fires her X-Wings blaster cannons with the s-foils closed. Normally you're not supposed to be able to do that.
It depends on the model. Normally you can fire two of them at a time at the very least, the only difference is that you get less precise shots and worse area coverage
I love seeing X-Wing blown to bits by TIEs .. Too bad the Empire had too many internal problems. Admiral Zaarin destroyed most of TIE Defender factory plants.
Compared to the Legends variant Grand Admiral Demetrius Zaarin made (especially seen in the video games TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance; highly recommend those in their Collector's CD-ROM Edition/Total Conversion Mod and Upgrade mod respectively), the Alt-universe variant is truly a pale imitation of a far better product in a Multiversal perspective. Would never want to fly these nerfed jokes anytime soon. And as an aside, Vult Skerris is *no Maarek Stele, let alone a Baron Soontir Fel.*
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Sidious: these tie defenders are amazing but cost too much...btw how’s that second Death Star going?
Mider999 You grace the lineage to the F-35 engineers..... Or the Bradley.
I mean the Death Star would have at least been an enviable long term investment... Had it not been sabotaged by it’s head engineer from the get go. Even without the planet killer laser, it was a literal world in and of itself, capable of intergalactic transit on it’s own accord, ferrying *Millions* of assets, from manpower to supplies, tech, R&D, Prisoners and high value VIP’s that held the highest need for protections, all in a planet sized structure built from the strongest materials of an interstellar empire, reinforced with the strongest shields and tractor beams, hordes of various munitions in and on the station, and a menagerie of other defense systems, ect... to the point where it’d probably be easier to fight an actual, natural planet then a Death Star. Holdo’s Hyperspace Ramming maneuver? The Death Stars sheer size and resultant durability would probably allow the station to shrug off any such blows from all but the largest of ships in the galaxy, certainly much larger then Holdo’s, or anything one would expect a struggling rebellion to muster up. Even if the rebellion “could” use such a tactic to destroy the Death Star, it’s likely have to be the largest ship they ever had, stuffed to the brim with practically their entire arsenal to boot, and if the Death Star has systems to shut down nearby Hyperspace transit, them forget it. And to top it all off, if properly stationed and maintained, the Death Star could be expected to serve and be useful for probably Millennia, maybe even forever, potentially to the point where further upgrades would allow it to engage in Trans-galactic travel, and would have been the flagship of an empire on the verge of going from “galactic” to *”universal.”*
Look at it like this: The TIE defender would have been the better option for a newborn empire, doubtlessly. BUT if the Empire could have survived the age of serious rebellions, then the Death Star would have been a perfect endgame for an ever expanding empire. An investment like the Death Star would have literal worlds worth of higher potential beyond an equivalent fleet of upgraded star destroyers and other assets. But alas, the timing was off. Such an undertaking would have been best in at least another 30 years minimum once the last of the galaxy’s resistance had been culled.
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire also i know its been a while, but wasn't the debate between creating the laser or tie defenders
Problem was Sidious's philosophy. He wanted a weapon that inspired fear, causing entire systems to go into the fetal position. I agree investing the same amount of money into defenders or more ISD's would've been strategically more effective, but people would still think they had a chance.
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire While this is true, the point of the Death Star was to use fear to keep the galaxy in line, aka The Tarkin Doctrine. Unfortunately, this backfired. I agree that the DS-1 Deep Space Mobile Battlestation would have been perfect for an Empire triumphant, but Palpatine had this puppy in the works for quite a while. His whole game was to create an endgame scenario so that he could spend his time cheating death and becoming more powerful in the Force. Thus, the Death Star was what would keep the Galaxy in place long enough so that he might transcend the need for any technological terrors. I feel that the TIE Defender was the perfect tool to counter the Rebellion's starfighter guerilla strategy. The best thing the Emperor could have done would be to continue fleetbuilding while slowly building and completing the second station, and then use it as a mobile capital, as Snoke used the Supremacy.
Gold 5: sacrifices life for the ghost crew
Ghost crew: so anyway
Ghost crew: oh no! Anyway
@@Ifues-tb7is yeah..
Yeah why'd they do that, not like it was gunna destroy the Ghost anyway.
@jBread28 the issue is that Ghost barely mourned gold 5, not that they sacrificed themselves for them
@@flallana18 yeah I get that
Tie defender fires at landing pad*
Grand Admiral pulls out blaster pistol like a boss 😎
Toll road that's my man LOL clearly the most badass character in star wars
hmm i was thinking about that scene and it would have made sense if he were to think it shields were also down for a time. if his shots pierced it would have killed the pilot.
@@jg14gerhard_bar He manipulated their ascent anyway, so whether shields were on or not, the ship cut off its ascent.
That was the show making a reference to the classic movie, Patton, where General Patton started firing his pistol at a German plane strafing the street he was on, lol.
General Rimmy would be proud
Not only do all these scenes show the TIE Defender's capabilities, they also show Thrawn's excellent abilities in tactical assessment and how well he knows his enemy. He knows how capable they are, maintains realistic expectations throughout, and that allows him to anticipate their moves to counter more effectively. Honestly, if the people under his command would follow his instructions more effectively, the rebels likely wouldn't have outmaneuvered him anywhere near as often.
They couldn't have outmaneuvered him. Thrawn is just that good but unfortunately for him too many in the Empire are so inept. Heck the only reason why Thrawn is even with the Empire is because of their vast resources and power which he intends to use to benefit the Chiss. At the end of the day Thrawn's loyalty was always to his people but he worked for the Empire to ensure they wouldn't come after his people.
5:09 I like how the TIE Defender broke the sound barrier because it’s actually capable of surpassing Mach 1 in atmosphere flight…
Tom Cruise would be envious.
I noticed that 1
he also hit a cobra at 5:36
@@jameswsniper1912 that isn’t a cobra, a cobra is usually beyond 100 degrees, that was just a aerobatic manoeuvre
@@OfficialDoggyYT a cobra is from 90-120
degrees
imagine if the defender project would have been completed, the rebels would have been wiped out
Too bad so much incompetence and betrayal within the empire crushes empries chances
@@TheKrazyk2010 Star Wars Squadrons: hold my blue milk
To be fair, the rebels would have been wiped out, but they would have needed to sacrifice a lot of imperial control over a lot of the outer rim and other sections, since a Tie Defender is like 6 Tie Fighters in cost, or more. The initial wave of rebels would be destroyed, yes, but the empire ran the risk of letting a much, *much* larger portion of the galaxy rebel against them, and we all know how palpatine governs, control is more important.
The birth of the E wing
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly That is why the Tie Hunter should be standard. It cost only 100K (70K for a regular tie) but has, twice the firepower / can ionize them, proton torpedos, shields, hyperdrive, and faster / more maneuverable than even the tie interceptor which is 75K in legends. They would actually save money since a lot fewer ties should be taken down with shields and such. They only produced the Tie Hunter for special forces.
This is how I would set it up.
- Tie version of the vulture droid which would cost around 40K. It would work exactly like how CIS vulture droid worked. Overwhelm them with numbers but don't use pilots. Plus it even had missiles, pull off maneuvers that humans can't cause of GForce, explode on command, and do suicide crashes onto the enemy ships if needed. Tie/D is stupidly expensive and I think a horrible option as I don't think it's even that good. Plus its design is ugly as f@#:)
- Tie hunter as standard
- Tie defender for best pilots if they want them
- Tie bomber of course.
-Tie Phantoms (Extra but would be really helpful)
In Legends one of the reasons why there were no droids really used by the Empire was kinda dumb. Palpatine did not want the civilians to have PTSD from the clone wars. Not cause he was nice of course but to keep the public in their favor. Pretty dumb in my opinion. The Imperial Senate even passed bills forbidding their use on the front lines.
I noticed the different markings on the TIE Defenders, but I didn’t realise until now that _every_ TIE Defender in the show has a different appearance.
The first was plain grey, as it’s just a plain TIE Defender. The second has red markings that presumably mark it as a TIE Defender Elite. The third has yellow markings that presumably mark it as belonging to that Commander.
Yep
Yellow indicates you were a top pilot at sky strike academy.
The Defenders from In the name of the Rebellion were plain grey like the first one
The wings on the tie defender elite are longer than the standard one
I love how admiral thrawn understands her as skill and respects it
He respects all of his enemies.
As thrawn would say, if you cannot respect your enemies skill, then it will not be there skill that defeats you, but your own hubris.
@@trilldrake1211 did he really say that?
That's what made Thrawn such a good villain. He wasn't evil as such, he wasn't arrogant, and he wasn't too proud to back off when he knew he'd lost. Extract from 'The Last Command'
Joruus C'baoth (mad Dark Jed): You never would have spoken to the Emperor that way.
Thrawn: On the contrary. On no less than four occasions I told the Emperor I would not engage a foe I was not yet adequately prepared to defeat.
Joruus C'baoth: Only fools spoke to the Emperor that way. Fools, or those tired of life.
Thrawn: The Emperor thought so too. The first time I refused his orders he called me a traitor and gave my attack force to someone else. Following its' destruction, he knew better than to ignore my recommendations.
I respect Hera’s plot armor
*Thrawn:* Was this part of the demonstration?
*Stormtrooper:* Yes.
Good to know soldier
Demonstration of empire incapability 🤣
@@luketien928 they were fighting a jedi even a mandalorian would have been struggling
I see that Captain Syndulla has played Ace Combat 7, and has mastered the art of post stall manoeuvres
It seems Ezra is knowledgeable as well.
5:03
pretty sure they based it off her.
@@babs2952 nah, Ace Combat has been around since the 90s, and even though AC7 was the first game in the series to allow the player to do post stall maneuvers, enemies in those games could do them since AC2
@@nickfury1279 i was being facetious
I wonder if Thrawn standing his ground and shooting at the fighter is a reference to the movie 'Patton', which depicts General George Patton doing the same against a pair of German bombers.
I think so
I am 99% sure it is. It's supiciously close compositionally
i like tie defender .... i wish there are more scenes 😓
More scenes without rebels
@@noevarga6563 ?
4:00
It sounds a lot better than normal TIEs.
Whails like a banshee.
Love it!
imagine if we saw a scene during the OT where a tie defender kicks the absolute shit out of the rebel fleet 😳
If we get a star wars squadrons show I would like to see the defender
3:40 I like how Thrawn dosent care and is just standing there. Such a badass but also an idiot in this scene risking his life
There was nothing he could possibly do. If he trued to run to cover hed probably be shot or atleast hit by debris
3:42 now let's test those shields
3:52 good they work
3:43 I guess they got a taste of what plot armor can do :).
I can not tell you how many times Tie Defenders won me the war in Empire at War
That’s not plot armor, if that was a normal TIE Sabine would get shot in the head, Thrawn’s shots were that accurate, but because it’s a TIE/D Elite the shots got deflected by the shields.
If Sidious was smart, he would have known that a superfighter that could easily best any fighter the rebels could come up with and even damage warships was a better investment than an oversized space station that couldn't be everywhere at once and was only useful for subjugation
We see he wanted to generate jobs for the empire🤣
"Attention *rebel* ship, you are harboring a traitor to the empire..."
Excuse me, aren't they all traitors by definition?
No because the rebels never sided with the empire in the first place for them to be labeled as traitors.
@@krex44 That's never been how empires see it. Also, *most* of the rebellion is by people who were part of the empire and then joined the rebels.
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly most but not all. The Empire can't call the entire rebellion traitors just because some imperials defected. That's like saying all Americans are racist just because of some aholes.
That is a by the book soldier: you don’t have to die for some failure of a politician who could’t keep the corrupt republic senate and decided Terrorism was the way to go.
most likely he was willing to let them go if they handed them over
Thrawn going General Patton on the TIE Defender at 3:40 was gold.
5:07 - 5:13
I don't know why but seeing a star wars ship break the sound barrier made me so happy
The tie defender, in my opinion, would have been a turning point of all naval engagements going forward had it been properly developed into the imperial navy. As a RAW, someone who knows his way around the cockpit, but isn’t the best, was able to take down three trained tie, interceptor‘s, or considered elites above tie fighters. if every single fighters an imperial navy was made as a tie defender, there would be no naval engagement that the Empire was losing. The empire would’ve had the superior starfighter advantage, which would’ve severely weekend, the rivals, because rebels relied on small craft, and advanced shielding and weapons.
You can thank Governor Pryce and her Tunnel Vision for that one.
I can't believe they missed animating a cannon barrel on the ISD at 9:20
I love that it sounds like a Striker _and_ they referenced the Striker when they were tracking the fight
Wish those sounds were public… they're so cool
Rebels when they face unshielded ships: "they may have numbers but we've got skill🤓"
Rebels when they face shielded ships: 💀
💀
I like how the Tie Defender is introduced. Up to this point, most people know the basic's of tie's. always needing to be carried in and pretty weak. Then This thing shows up. It jumps out of hyperspace on its own, and immediately rains heck and havoc on the rebellion. Its hit with a laser cannon but it does nothing, has it just returns with powerful laser barrages on the squadron. Its taken what we know about Tie fighter's, and chucked it out the window. We know a swarm of regular tie fighters is a problem, but seeing how much damage ONE of these Defender's cause. I think this also feeds into its design, being completely different from all other Tie fighters. The tie advance still only had 2 wings. This thing has 3 wings, completely different from all other variants, truly signifying its not like the rest. Its not disposable like the fighter and interceptor. Its not a prototype like the advance. This thing, is a fully tested, fully operational, product, ready to rain hell on the rebellion. Then there's the TIE Elite, which isn't even making the same sound has a TIE, it almost sounds like it isn't even a Tie anymore, its something completely different. It even launch's missile, something that LITTERALLY NO TIE HAS BEEN SEEN DOING (I say see because yes the advance does have missiles but we never see them use it. And the bomber is the bomber. not much of a threat)
Who remembers flying the tie defender in the classic tie fighter pc game? It was totally bad ass
Pretty amazing in Tie Fighter conversion of X wing Alliance as well.
Now that was a true beauty, Zaarin's TIE Defender. The Alt-universe Thrawn variant feels like a cheap knock-off... come on, no ion cannons?!
Granted, there's the beast known as the Missile Boat in mind.
I was first introduced to the Tie Defender in Star Wars Empire at War Forces of Corruption. Love at first sight.
When they first showed the blueprints in the series, I gasped so loudly. Add one more reason I love the animated series
Not exactly a fan of EaW's "bomber" take on it. TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance is where it's at its best.
I was in shock when I saw it first, one of the best dlcs for sure
I love how the most intense situation can occur and Thrawn's just like "Ah yes, tragedy" "want some tea or wine while the ship falls apart?"
Death star was cool and all but I feel like it should have been developed after the TIE defender project was completed so they could recover money and then actually get budget to build a battle station. That could have made a deadly combo of tie defenders filling the DS's hangars
A perfect mobile base and symbol of imperial domination.
Love this ship design
Could u imagine if all tie fighters were replaced with this the rebels would be screwed
An interesting concept, but not doable, considering how expensive the tie defender is in comparison to standard tie fighters, 300 000 credits vs 60 000.
Thats 5 tie fighters to 1 tie defender. Even the tie interceptor is much cheaper then the tie defender at 120 000 credits.
Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that if every tie fighter was replaced with defenders then the empire would have rained supreme for sure, but the shere cost on that scale would not have been doabol, also considering that at a rough estimate that the empire had at its minimum made 4,2 milioen tie fighters.
Maybe have say, the ace of every star destroyer fly on defenders, could maybe work at the start and work in more afterword.
Its probably far more viable to invest in developing a fleet of tie defenders than to be an idiot and build a second death star with all of the weaknesses of the first.
@@consumerjtc5835 it doesn’t have all the weaknesses of the first he only reason it was destroyed was because it was still under construction
@@torandreasbelsaas one tie defender and take out 4 rebel ships Where as both tie interceptors and standard tie fighters don't even get one kill
@@hggs4466 Not just any rebel ships but there biggest ships with ease. Those things were built to munch rebel ships and keep on trucking just like the B-wing was built to munch ISD's.
I want this as a Christmas present
Hab grade eben dein Video zu den tie defendern gesehen
IRONIC
You got it?
Hopefully, you were given the far superior Legends variant instead.
The tie defender something that could have won the Empire the war maybe
It would have easily
@@hggs4466 Absolutely! Since the Rebellion relied on starfighters for the most part, having something that can counter that be mass produced would've been greatly beneficial.
@@welkingunther5417 not only that but most of its assets like It's leader ship for the most part was held most within rather venerable ships that without fighter protection would lead to the head of the rebellion being chopped off effectively
You forgot the clip where the Arquitens deploys two TIE Defenders to attack Ezra and Sabine when they were raiding the communications outpost, the giant sat.dish.
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Sprinkle Man you gotta be joking
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Imagine if Darth Vader got one of these, he is already terrfying enough in his tie advanced.
Vader did fly one of them. And then suggested to Thrawn that it should be faster, have more firepower and the controls should be simpler
Love how Thawn pulled a General Patton there lol
10:01 "Can't fire, the s-foils are closed!"
Great compilation of the Tie Defender.
It's a welcome and unexpected surprise to see the TIE Defender make an appearance outside of the "TIE Fighter" PC game.😃
Imagine how many defenders they could of made with the money for the Death Star
The death star cost over 1 trillion credits. With that money you could give every isd a compliment of TIE defenders plus two lancer class frigate escorts.
@@alexsch2514 much more worth it
@@alexsch2514 I looked it up and you could give every ISD around 133 tie defenders
those shields are insane, Y-wings main guns are powerful, so are they’re shields
As an X-Wing gamer, I can confirm.
Still sitting ducks they are, though.
You missed a scene where the Ghost is being chased by two standard TIE Defenders. It's the episode in which they blow up a satellite dish.
The TIE Defender being a prototype in the series I think saves it being not as efficient in the old Expanded Universe.
2:09 These are what the rebels are lawbreakers in war you cannot attack an enemy ship that can not fight and some rebels like him just see it as a game
Ya
@@Dilly958 I mean they were trying to kill him, and this isn't war they were trying to kill a senator who was speaking her mind
Not that the empire doesnt do that. I mean, Vult Skerris had a policy of shooting unnarmed civilian vessels that were surrendering to him
Looking back at Star Wars in general, it would feel like earthly laws and customs of war like the Geneva conventions have the same respect you’d give your toilet paper.... actually that’s too kind a comparison, at least toilet paper gets hoarded these days. Someone actually did a collection of onscreen war crimes committed through the clone wars series: czcams.com/video/onmbtPL1N1c/video.html
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire Well at the end of the day Geneva doesnt even exist on star wars.
Oh as a Fan of the old DOS TIE Fighter game, this made me have a smile on my face. Too bad it didn't have ion cannons mounted on the top wing/radiator like in the game though.
the budget is not enough
The game/EU.
Well spoken, and even moreso with the X-Wing video game's Battle of Turkana being a far better X-Wing introduction compared to... whatever the kriff Rebels Season 4 morbidly gave us.
This is my masterpiece.
3:49 Thrawn's plot armour is so thick even TIE Defenders can't fry him.
knowing him he probablly positioned himself in that spot expecting it to get stolen and him being perfectlly out of its fireing angle
Can you imagine if the empire had tie defenders at the battle of endor? The rebels wouldn't of stood a chance
He literally says surrender the traitor or be destroyed. Good man!
05:36 The Pugachev's Cobra.
no that’s not a cobra, to achieve a actual cobra the plane needs to pitch more than 100 degrees, that’s just a aerobatic manoeuvre that looks like a cobra.
At 5:08 that is a really cool detail: having the TIE defender break the sound barrier.
So... "oh no I just remembered they can remotely disable the ship"...
Yup
It's called the kill switch
You know what would be really terryfying? Darth Vader in a TIE Defender.
Star Wars X-Wing:.......
Ironic is, Vader did USE the TIE Defender in a Thrawn book and that was him who recommended some improves to Thrawn that it leads to the TIE Defender Elite model.
@@fa11endawn16Yep, in Thrawn: Alliances.
T/Ds were always rare fighters even in the EU. However, when you went up against them, you HAD to be good.
Indeed. Easily one of the best fighters the Empire ever developed.
4:51 You're in a Tie Defender! Turn around and shoot them all down!
Would be boring tbh
Plus it's his first time in one. He knows it's a dangerous fighter but he probably doesn't know what all this bad boy could do until he flew it.
The ghost crew also fought agianst 2 tie defenders during their mission to disable the comm disk thing during the 3rd episode of season 3
You mean season 4?
I vote Andor, The Mandalorian and Ashoka seasons 1-2-3-4
i wish this fighter was in the rogue squadron games
Dang pro gamer pilot
it became the tie surfer at one point
Thrawn was probably very pissed off when they stole his precious tie defender
Good to know the Defender can go supersonic
Is know one gonna talk about how cold Thrawn is by just standing there and firing at Ezra and Sabine . The best Imperial Admiral
Hope to see him in Ashoka
9:58 so Hera is also secretly Russian? I swear she did a Pugachev's cobra or similar to that.
Nevermind, ignore me.
people compare the x-wing to the F-15 but I'd say its more like the Su-27...its the heavyweight fighter of the underdogs in real world air forces. Hell the successive iterations (like the Su-33 or early Su-35) have canards on them (like the T-85 x-wing)
@@Chadaface The Su-35 doesn't have canards actually. The 33, 34, 37 and 30SM models have.
Anyway. Officially the X-wing has been said to be inspired by the Spitfire of WW2, whereas the TIE fighters are Messers/Zeroes. At least in the narrative sense. I do agree though that the X-85 has the best design out of X-wing types so far, at least in the new canon.
@@balintkovacs4089 early iterations of the. Su-27M model was called the su-35 and it featured canards.
I have a feeling that the Tie Defender will return in the new Ahoska serie. The reason is with the return of Thrawn he may want to bring back the program for his fleet?
i dont know about you but the one winged defender looks hilarious
There’s Tie Advanced and Tie Defenders, pretty distinguishable if you played TIe Fighter PC game.
The TIE Defender is the King of TIE
I would imagine aerial combat between the F-35 and the TIE Defender
I'm going to got a custom lego tie defender (;
Noah Maldonado ya I'm going to get the brickvault one and make it look like the tie defender elite the red one (;
Nice (;
Attention ‘rebel’ ship, you are harboring a ‘traitor’ OH rEaLLy
7:44
You know what gets me off? The i in the sentence is not capitalized while every other letter is, also its assault
Also based on your logic (the i) it’s spelled THiRD
Jesus it’s just a spelling mistake get lost
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6:40 when discovered a mistake after you submit a work
0:08 wonderful
I like how you still heart comments on a old video.... ok you only have two videos lol
lol thrawn just like so clam others:ahhhhhhhh (sorry for bad english)
Yo how the fuck did those Starfighters survive a hit from a Star Destroyer's Turbolasers? That should've killed Hera instantly.
The defender is very cool but design wise I always prefer the interceptor and phantom more
0:22 Esa fue la única vez en la Vult Skerris fue un piloto competente.
Luego sufrió el síndrome de Valen Rudor.
OR it only has a nav computer interface and the hyperdrive is a module like with previous models.
Slowest most anticlimactic star wars battle in history
"cmon you bastards, take a shot at me right in the nose!"
"get back here Thrawn, we need a Fleet commander, not a casualty!"
*shoots at the Tie Defender*
"if i could find the person flying, i'd give them a medal"
Carry proton bombs or torpedoes that's going to be a problem for a Capital ship like a Mon Calamari cruiser without any escorts being a Corellian Corvette and the replenishment ships GR-75s
Or just a bunch of concussion missiles.
@@spynix0718I wonder if they fire it in a barrage would that be enough to take down the replenishment ships GR 75s followed by the capital ship escorts Corellian Corvette. The realistic option for an Imperial Admiral would have been something like this TIE Defenders get released first and then have the Arquitens Imperial Star Destroyers jump to lightspeed with the Defenders then launch the TIE Bomber
0:33 did they send 2 bombers as interceptors?
why did thrawn opened fire at the X Wing? there was no need for it (last scene)
Shields or no Shields how did an X-Wing and a TiE-Defender survive a direct hit from a Turbolaser?
Bro that defender destroyed a Y wing with one hit
You missed the episode where Ezra and Sabine were on the relay station.
Why wasn’t these and the tie advance mass produced is my biggest question
defender shield can garud the ISD's shot???wow
U forgot the 2 that Hera took out at the tracking station
Kinda like the shape of the fighter
Aw you missed the final defender destroying both a Light Cruiser and a Star Destroyer
9:52 see EA that’s what an x wing should look like next to an ISD you make Star destroyers the size of a nebulon b
The only problem I have with the final Rebel assault scene is that Hera Syndulla fires her X-Wings blaster cannons with the s-foils closed. Normally you're not supposed to be able to do that.
It's not impossible, at least in the current canon. The cannons have a risk of overheating if used with the S-foils closed though.
It’s a safety and cooling feature. Probably for pilots that know how to, they could disable the failsafes protecting the ship nominally.
It depends on the model. Normally you can fire two of them at a time at the very least, the only difference is that you get less precise shots and worse area coverage
I love seeing X-Wing blown to bits by TIEs .. Too bad the Empire had too many internal problems. Admiral Zaarin destroyed most of TIE Defender factory plants.
Where does that alarm sound come from?
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Grand Admiral Thrawn had more balls than any High Ranking Imperial
3:40 hey wasn't this scene stolen from 1989 Batman when Joker shot down the Batwing?
Compared to the Legends variant Grand Admiral Demetrius Zaarin made (especially seen in the video games TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance; highly recommend those in their Collector's CD-ROM Edition/Total Conversion Mod and Upgrade mod respectively), the Alt-universe variant is truly a pale imitation of a far better product in a Multiversal perspective. Would never want to fly these nerfed jokes anytime soon.
And as an aside, Vult Skerris is *no Maarek Stele, let alone a Baron Soontir Fel.*
so the Defender has missiles, why not use them in the last scene?
Mmm tie chicken