What Happened To Rogal Dorn? - 40K Theories
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- Following the events of the Horus Heresy, Rogal Dorn would disappear during the course of a Black Crusade. Is the Primarch of the Imperial Fists dead, or could he still be alive?
Additional Narration by Stephanie Swan Quills
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Featuring the voice talents of Comrade Crimson as Vulkan
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And SuperAnchors as Rogal Dorn
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Intro theme by Stringstorm
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For those wondering, this is an updated and remastered version with additional information (such as those from the Curze books) that has gone into more depth and just all around better pacing.
Enjoy!
Love the remake getting updated information. In all honesty, by all means, he is pretty much dead.
But if we're being realistic, he's dead till GW wants to work with a guilliman V2 if by drugs and pixie dust they suddenly want to focus on something other than Ultramarines and 1 special unit per legion
I think he is mortally wounded but alive and is being held captive
Thanks for putting the sweat and work into updating information. That is refreshing and lovely to see!
What do you think of all the TTS comments in your videos?
And it is masterfully done, as per usual Lord Inquisitor
Simple: He was being dead.... in pretend.
Yep
Not surprised I was beaten to this
One day he’ll stop pretending
Yeeeeeeeesssssss
Lol
He became a centurion and stayed with the Emperor after he lost his hand.
He is also currently using all the books in the imperial library to make a fort.
Yes
Honestly, if he does come back into cannon; I hope GW make a nod to TTS by replacing his severed hand with a centurion weapon.
@@seal7144 No.
Damn beat me to it
All I will say is this: If they never produce a body, he’s still alive. When the Black Legion killed Sigismund of the Black Templars, they let the whole Imperium know by chaining his mutilated body to a captured Black Templars cruiser, and setting it on a one way trip to Terra. When Ferrus Manus was slain at the Drop Site Massacre, his body was torn to pieces as traitors tried to get a piece of the primarch for themselves as a grisly trophy. If Dorn had died, the same would have been for him, and yet we see no totems carried by any chaos lord of the seventh primarch. Additionally we have no Black Legionaires who claim to have been there when Dorn died, or to have wet their blade in his blood. Can you imagine any other boost for a chaos lord to their ego or status within the Black Legion (bar killing the Emperor himself)? My judgement stands. Dorn is alive somewhere, and he will reveal himself when the time is right. Once he has finished fortifying his position :)
I thought that Abaddon had specifically forbade Sigismund’s body to be mutilated.
@@rustkarl He did. If you managed to land a telling blow upon Abaddon he forbids any desecration of the fallen Warriors body. A Blood Angel Chaplain leading a group of Death Company received the same treatment when he managed to wound the Despoiler.
@@robskovira5626 tell that to the berzerkers, i dont think they will remember that when the blood starts flowing...
I honestly hate that plot device. The Primarcs are effectively "Dead" unless the writers can crap out a "Plotline" where their integration back into the main storyline won't be a literary version of setting a bull loose in a China Shop. Girlyman only came back because they wanted Abitchdon to actually succeed in something for once and needed a counterbalance to the fall of Cadia and the Milky Way ripping itself in half.
He's fortifying a grave somewhere. Perhaps by rapidly spinning
He is Schrodinger's Primarch.
you'd think that was the default state of loyalist primarchs with the way the lore is
"dead until proven alive"
@@SeraphimKnight Except for Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus.
@@PCveteran117 give it time they will get better too.
Sure Sangunius might be dead with his soul trapped on the vengeful spirit and Ferrus Manus might also be dead his body chopped into tiny pieces with only his head remaining.
But its nothing a good dose of plot convenience can´t cure, especially if wrapped in a tale so full twist and turns, dead ends and contradictions that it would make even Tzeentch say "wait what?"
As for Dorn all it would take is for Yvraine to go up and say in her best Ace (from doctor Who) impression "Oi waky waky mate!" and vola Rogal Dorn would grow out of his skeleton hand, Sangunius would rise from his tomb with a serious sore throat and Ferrus Manus would reform around his skull (which apparently is in the iron hands possession) with a serious migraine.
Now that i think about it, the most fortified and battle hardened defensive point (next to the Throneroom/that is still in use) in the Galaxy is technically Watch Fortress Erioch, the Omega Vault in particular
You mean Dorn is a pussy?
I am fortifying this comment section.
But why?
@@LAV-III if you have to ask, it requires fortification.
Wait why would you do or say that? That is terrible
@@newnamesameperson397 No.
Yey.
At this point I can't imagine anything but the TTS voices as the "true" voices of the characters.
I know right?! I cant waiting to hear Angron. Will his voice spund like a great enraged rumble or a high pitched angry shriek.
@@scooterdescooter4018I imagine angron's voice is just like limongrab's voice from adventure time....
@@daviddickson412 YEEEEES
@@daviddickson412 *_UNACCEPTABAAAAAAAAAL!_*
Safe to assume he attached a chainsword to his lost hand, got an Astartes Pattern Assault Shotgun, travelled back in time, changed his name to Ash and is currently killing zombies.
Groovy.
pieman243 Dont you mean Chainsaw Warrior?
Ashtartes? They shop smart shop primart
He's in a better place now...
Ah, who am I kidding. This is 40k, he's probably a gladiator in some Khornate arena and has a chainsaw hand now.
Wait, is that not a better place? Tuska seems to think it's the best place possible.
Power flail
Groovy
Storm’s Fist
I was not expecting Vulkans voice, my god that was glorious.
Ferrus Mannus: YOU ARE WEAK VULKAN
@@gargoyles9999
FM: YOU ARE WEAK, CORVUS
CC: I am aware Ferrus, thank you.
Love this exchange even more.
@@ciCCapROSTi FLESH IS WEAK! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK!!
VULKAN LIVES *STOMP STOMP*
@@gargoyles9999 Hes like a ghost, in the skull.
A Skost.
He is fighting against the tyranny of Taco Friday
Quell yourself heretic, by the Emperor the appointed day of the Taco is Friday.
Taco Tuesday will be forgotten but the Dornian Heresy will not.
I am Alpharius!
I think you mean leading a heresy against Taco Friday. 👉
Taco Tuesday on Friday!
@@Sleepy_zzzzz What is a man?
A chicken without feathers?
Or one who has the taco munchies and casts away the shackles of dictators that limits him to a set day.
Now Soft shell vs hard is a true debate...
Zz Zzzz But are you the *real* Alpharius?
THE BEST OFFENSE IS A GOOD DEFENSE.
But if you offend everyone, you won’t need to defend yourself... wait, no...
TheTonyKono oh for Terra’s sake, that’s not even how it goes.
I am fortifying this comment.
If you take into account the counter attack after the enemy gets ravaged by a defensive position, then yes.
*THAT'S NOT EVEN HOW THE SAYING GOES!*
I personally do think that he is currently residing with the Emperor. It sounds like him. The quiet yet honest and dutiful son keeping company for an ailing father on the brink of death.
You'd think that some word would have gotten out to his legion or brother by now though.
@@tincano-beans2114 Nobody suspects the yellow centurion.
@@tincano-beans2114 True, but at the same time, the Imperial Palace has always been a home for the galaxy's best kept secrets.
He's actually Alpharius.
Alex Kerley it’s not like people were actively looking for him, true if somebody asked “are you rogal Dorn?” He might have nodded in response
He is in retiremet with his kitten, large flightless bird and several greasy , immigrant servants.
Best comment.
*Pillar Men Theme intensifies*
and also some kid he brought under his wing
"Yey! Mundane exposition"
[BAZINGA]
@@LAV-III AHHHHHHH
He is probably playing hide and seek with the rest of the missing loyalist Primarchs somewhere deep in the Webway.
Tag khan you are it
He's actually hiding in the Imperial Palace disguised as a Centurion
This I could see. I could see him choosing to defend the Emperor as his most important duty, but it seems odd that he wouldn't come forward at all or that he wouldn't be recognized by Guilliman.
@@Nevets1073 Girly-Man is too busy clapping Eldar cheeks
@@redcell9636 hahahahahah
I will just assume that the comment section will be 99% TTS jokes and the 1% will be related to the video real content.
But for real, he was dead ...... in pretend
No.
Rayan Hachem myes
Yes seeing u here brings a great smile on me. Love ur content mate !
This ---is true
Spiffing brit alt acc found?
*TTS joke*
Ok now that that's done.
I hope Dorn makes a comeback in the current 40k
He has
TTS is the true canon!
I wonder how will loyalist primarchs return like Guilliman was forced into stasis. But the rest is probably just running amock somewhere, not taking up their responsibilities. Imagine Rogal is just "off to vacation" for ten millennia while the Imperium falls to ever disarray, then he comes back and everyone would just cheers.
would prefer him coming back with a killer handlebar stache
In canon he probably won’t
Dorn also had a bitching handlebar mustache, any arguments to the contrary are heresy.
It's canon that he was clean-shaven, but we all know that's not the truth
@@jv8462 "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right."
My headcanon is that he used to be clean-shaven during the Great Crusade era, but neglected to continue shaving his facial hair during his grief over failing his father, and once he finally got around to shaving said hair, he stopped after shaving off the beard and decided to keep the moustache as a way of marking the separation between "Rogal Dorn who failed the Emperor" and "Rogal Dorn who will NEVER fail the Emperor even if it kills him".
True true the Emperor used gene stock from both Tom Selleck and Sam Elliot in his creation! He didn’t grow it out because to look upon that glorious “Stache” would distract humans and Astartes alike from defending!!!
YESSS
Must not mention... TTS...
He's....in.....a....Centurion suit!
Damn it...
Question is , can he even fit in a centurion suit lol
No, the question is why are there still Taco Tuesday heretics still alive!
He was dead... in pretend
This, is true.
Roboute: Father, I have come to speak with-
Rogal: Hello, brother
Roboute:... Dorn, is that you!?
Rogal: yes, I have been here taking care of our father, disguised as a Tech-priest
Roboute:... you look like a swole tech priest
Rogal: No one has noticed me so far
Lol
Magus the red"hay bro..I'm here too" Roboute"greetings traitor" Magus"yeah, yeah look I'm not working for the choas god's anymore....dad here got my soul back" Roboute"I ....see....how"? Magnus the red"I do no know"
@@moodyowlproductions4287 "stick" echoes through the halls with an almost AI sound.
@@moodyowlproductions4287 he is the mother booping Emperor
so he is allowed to do OP stuff
But what about the more important question: What happened to Dorn's mustache, and can he get it back?
I think you mean lord adorable
Adornable
Boy: "Dadornable?"
You know my personal theory is that Dorn discovered lego and it's just kept him utterly pre-occupied for the last ten millennia.
Father.. I will never leave your side again.
Emperor: *:GROANS INTERNALLY:*
TTS aside, I do genuinely like the idea of Dorn, disguised as a custodian, has spent this entire time watching over his father. Dorn is absolutely the sort of person who would see his own brother, back from the dead after millennia, and not say anything whatsoever purely because no one asked him his thoughts on the matter
Came here for the tts memes. And I am not dissapoint.
I'm not convinced about Dorn being killed, since nobody boasted this action. That is strange, considering how important Dorn was (taking into account what Abbadon did to Sigismund after slaying him).
With this said it is hard to say if Dorn is alive or dead and where he (or is body) is located. One thing is certain: it is unlikely he is with Big E, otherwise Papa Smurf would have at least recognised him
Unless dorn I hiding somewhere in the palace walls.
@@Aceshot-uu7yxHe is a Wall Primarch now, to remain part of the fortifications until the Grumbling begins.
When Gulliman thought he was conversing with the Emprah it was Dorn all along making weird noises behind the throne
*Pilot the mecha, Roboute.
There’s only the one canon in 40k and that’s TTS.
"For the past ten millenia... I was me" - Rogal Dorn, propably
Is Valrak here yet? Everytime Dorn gets mentioned as dead he comes and corrects those mistakes lol.
Valrak get all frothy in a mad squirrel way when you mention Dorn or ... PRIMARCHS.
Well there’s one dislike on the video...
valrak is just mad that perturabo is superior to dorn at building things.
@@commie4164 LIES
He is currently in centurion armor and raising a box hailer known as “Boy” on Terra under the wall names Adorable and Dadorable.
He's in Limbo. Until GW figures out how to make money out of his model.
Clearly
I prefer Dorn as leader of the Imperium than Gulliman. I'd buy a dozen of them
I'd buy it.
You know just releasing it. Dorn is one if the most liked primearch of on of the most liked legions and succor legions. Dorn is a money printer.
If rubric marines can be turned from animated dust into living marines, then why not the skeletal fist of Rogal Dorn into a living primarch? Seems like a possible means of return...
Like thing from the addams family? The Rubricai aren't whole, functional, people in those suits. It's more like dust zombies that take orders.
Having the Ynnari bring back more primarchs would be awful, awful writing.
On hearing Dorn I thought: "Where did you hear that voice before?" And then I remembered... and had to laugh hard.
Finally my Primarch gets decent treatment. Love him in ITEHTTS by Bruva
He's being
Adorable
Just say build and he will be summoned
You mean fortify.
"Perturabo builds better fortresses."
@@inkedseahear But does he fortify?
@@inkedseahear you spelt Rogal's name wrong
My favorite primarch!!! I hope his is alive!! He is just so adornable!!! I love my centurybear!!!
There is no doubt that just like his brothers Rogal Dorn is trying to find a way to restore his father to his former glory. I believe that he couldn’t have fallen in battle, at least not without the aid of one of the traitors Primarchs. Rogal Dorn Death would have been announced by Chaos Warband for the Slaying of the Praetorian of Terra. The evidence that Rogal Dorn created several plans that allowed for the Imperial Fists to reformed as a Legion, and the creation of several weapons after the Siege of Terra. This shows that perhaps the Primarch was creating a stage for which he will return, because the Imperium was at the time ruled all in but name Roboute. Both the Praetorian of Terra and the Lord of Ultramar did butt heads in how to both govern and how to spit the Legions, and considering that Rogal was grieving for both the loss of his brother and father.
"My wall name is Adorable, we shall enjoy the taco on Tuesday's and punch members of the Marines Malevolent on the side." - Lord Adorable
I like how you managed to get the voice actors for the "what if the emperor had a text to speech device" to do their primarch sections :)
He is in Medrengard, slowly digging tunnels under perty's buildings, so he may eventually set fire to the supports and bring everything down in a single go.
Perty's fury will open a new eye of Terror if that results
@@SamueL-td7fb And he'll drag all of Medrengard into the super-warp with him
I would like to note about Konrad Curze’s future sight. While it shows their worst fate it doesn’t tell him WHEN it will happen. For all we know Dorn could live until the 51st millennium. Also Lord Inquisitor I’m glad you used the TTS Jamaican voice for Vulkan (btw VULKAN LIVES!!)
VULKAN LIVES *stomp stomp*
@@miccool9ice363 VULKAN LIVES *stomp stomp*
the Dornian Paradox.
Has Valrak see this yet? I have only been tell him for years his dad is dead lol.
He was dead!
In pretend! :v
Yey
You must ask the magic pain glove
I 100% believe he is not only alive, but that TTS got it right. It just makes sense after a random Centurion intervened and personally escorted the head of the Sisters of Battle to the Emperors throne room to convene with the Emperor during Van Dier's little meltdown. I can't wait to see what happens with this lore.
I know it's likely quite unintentional, but I love the roasting of Rites of Battle by pointing out its numerous inconsistencies.
"If Rogal Dorn was on Terra" .. leading the praetorians in combat in the webway gate.
Roboute wouldn't be able to see him inside it.
Guilliman: builds statues of his brothers
Corvus, Lion and Jaghatai: are we a joke to you???
I think having Guilliman build a statue of you is bad luck...
I like to imagine that Dorn is somewhere, deep within the bowels of the Imperial palace, silently waiting on his ivory throne for someone to remember to unlock the bathroom they accidentally locked him into centuries ago. Someday, a lucky scribe will find the records for the locking and unlocking of the restrooms, and realize it was never unlocked. Hopefully he acts upon this information, instead of destroying it. The beauracratic bloat of the Empire of Man be praised.
Love the continuity of having the same primarch voices as on Bruna Alphabusa. Love the work you guys produce.
Rogal Dorn is currently "reinstalling The Palace"; he is digging down into the Hell of his own Mind (the Palace/Temple) so he can Confront his inner Shadow, and the "spyware" the Dark Eldar have installed within him.
I'm friends with Dorn's VA and it's always a weird experience hearing his voice randomly in videos like this, hahaha.
I’d love to see you do a detailed look at Commisar Caiphas Cain 😊
That voice...
VULCAN LIVES *stomp stomp*
"I will tell him so" - as a perpetual, Vulkan would occasionally visit his brother Dorn in the afterlife.
What if Rogal Dorn is alive, but is currently working with the Mechaicus to repair or fortify the Emperor's destroyed webway gate? If he succeeds then it would lessen the burden of his father and allow him perhaps regenerate a portion of either his body or his psyche.
Also I love Super Anchors as Rogal Dorn. He was made to portray the stubborn badass primarch.
He is searching for Infinity Gauntlet from Marvel Universe to use it instead of his missing hand
XD
those who recognize the voices of Vulcan and Dorn, I salute you!
So this is what happened. No joke. So Dorm was being all "Honor, and Legos!"
Does his smashy, smash, but slips into a warp puddle. Hear me out. So he is throw into a quasi cartoon world where things don't make sense and it's always over the top.
With me? Good.
An anvil hit him on the head and he gets amnesia. Like total blank. He's probably a fisherman and sells frozen fish sticks.
None the wiser.
[ Insert Random TTS Quote Here ]
*[Random TTS quote inserted]*
No.
I am fortifying this comment.
He's consulting with the Magic Pain Glove within the confines of the Imperial Palace. Which part, you may ask? I dunno, just find the most recently fortified spot.
Super Anchors is a Emperor-Send to the 40k fandom✊
Since my 30k and 40k collection has been stolen your channel has helped fill the hole in my heart. Thank you.
nice touch using the TTS voice actors 😁
Valrak is screaming "DORN!!!" somewhere
hes reinstalling the palace and awaiting Corvuses arrival as he needs his infiltration expertise.
I have been thinking recently, maybe the Emperor is the one telling the Primarchs to stay in hiding? He could have sent Russ a message, telling him to leave the wolves and return "at the wolf time", for example, to try and keep a number of the Primarchs out of reach, so they could return at a time the Emperor has predicted he will need them most. Maybe Dorn is in the throne room, and Guilliman was told not to speak of it?
We all know he's hiding under centurion armor preparing for the end time.
He finally got his bike and is just doing laps around Terra.
Weird, It felt like i watched this video years ago, deja vu.
This is an updated version with additional information (from the Curze books), greater detail and just all around better pacing. :)
@@40KTheories oh cool! thank you :)
Dead, alive and missing all at the same time. Sounds like a classic case of Schrodinger's Dorn to me.
Hes a centerian cuddling with emps rn
As we've learned, unless explicitly stated otherwise, even a dead man can still live in the 40kverse
I love that the tts voice actors voice their corresponding primarchs
Find an Imperial Fists Centurion in the Imperial Palace, you'll have found Dorn. Just don't ask what he finds to be funny.
He's alive.
..In the hearts of his sons.
Literally anyone: *states an opinion or idea*
Dorn: nnooo..
The fact that the Vulkan quote had nothing about friendship mentioned in it makes me think it’s non-canon
Dorn went back to the Emperor and built himself into the door to the throne room to help fortify it's defenses.
I call it the Dorn Door
I honestly wouldn't even be upset if GeeDubs went with the TTS version of Dorn simply hiding among Astartes.
The lore seems to suggest that he's "believed" to be dead, but it's left ambiguous enough to go either direction. Perhaps Perturabo captured him and has spent the last several millennia torturing him in an attempt to break his brother (parading every victory over the Imperial Fists over him, and likely flaunting their destruction during the War of the Beast as Dorn losing their little spat).
"Presumed dead" means "definitely alive, and will get a model eventually."
So ironic little thing people seem to miss in the details of the Imperial Fists Destruction. While all current members of the imperial fists did die during the war of the beast. Many of the Vets that were made into the new imperial fists chapter post war of the beast were still Original imperial fists from backing during the Heresy days. This includes Thane who served as the 5th company captain in the book "the lost and the damned". In reality the fists were never actually destroyed as their replacements were just old Imperial Fists in new colors
@@jasonburke1671 none of those involved knew Dorn or were part of the original legion. The War of the Beast happened in mid M32, and the oldest legion Member we knew of, Sigismund, died in late M31 during the first Black Crusade.
By the time of the War of the Beast the chapters had begun to split enough that they barely functioned as a single force when the Last Wall protocol was enacted.
@@chibizion Thane, the man who takes up the new imperial fists chapter after the destruction was from the original imperial fists legion and lead the 5th cpany during that time. If I remember correctly he was even at the Helios gate. All of this is said in the Lost and the Damned
@@jasonburke1671 You're right, he joined the legion in the literal last months of the Heresy, so he would have been in the Iron Cage following that and then spent a thousand years in his own chapter instead.
It is good to hear Lord Adorable s' voice once more. May he forever fortify all his days (except on holy Taco Tuesday).
He is disguised as a Custodes and will now never leave the Emperor's side again.
Vulkan: No brother he lives on!
*ork side* YOU CANT KIMM ME HE BE FIGHTING ON HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Props to you sir for getting the only rogal dorn voice that counts
I would like to point out the amber Dorn scene was written by The Illustrious Scribe Ian Watson...
Sewer goblin extraordinaire?
I was drinking tea when that Vulkan part came up. Now I have to wipe half the room, you bastard! :D
There was one idea posted that Dorn became the head of the Custodes and remained within the Imperial palace. As Guilleman returned, Dorn maybhave hidden out of fear that Girlyman would blame him just as he blames himself. Personally, I'd be disappointed if Games Workshop has killed him off.
What we know of Corvus so far always has me thinking about what the other Primarchs could become if they took the same path? Dorn would probably be an adamantium giant, maybe having an armament on par with an Imperial Knight at a minimum.
I like to imagine that Dorn is quietly roaming the halls of the Imperial Palace in Terminator armor.
I think you are one of the best content creators for 40K!
When I heard the same person speaking Rogal Dorn as in the videos from "if the emperor had a text to speach device" I had to laugh a lot. ^_________^
I cant help but keep thinking a mini warp rift enveloped Dorn and closed around him and his hand was the only thing of his outside the rift when it shut, If this did happen its funny to think only 5 seconds have passed for Dorn all this time and he is still in the middle of saying "I appear to of lost one of my fists, How ironic."
There is an imperial fist named Adornable that is documented in possibly heretical sources to guard the emperor day and night, on his lap no less.
He wears yellow Centurion armor by his father's side. Also he goes vampire hunting with his son and Father in Law.