Simulating the Evolution of Aggression
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“Hey, you want to share that food? Sharing’s caring.”
“Sorry, I’ve already reached my caring capacity”
I see whatchu did there
*pulls out shotgun*
“Sharing is Carr.. Copystrike.”
Where out of patience too
noice
Doves lived together in harmony, but it all changed when the Hawk nation attacked
Only the Aviatar, master of all four blobs, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished
Food, more food, hawks, and pigeons
Cool, i get the reference.
Damnit I always skipped the recap
1000 th likes
This also simulates what happens when a mean person meets a group of nice people, it messes it up badly
İ think you didn't understand the video. With hawks, population increased more, so hawk is necessary evil
@@mertserimer6928 where exactly in the video did the introduction of hawks cause the population to increase?
Nash equilibrium part
@@mertserimer6928 really？I don’t find it, but I have the evidence that w bad guy messes up all shit 2:39
@@mertserimer6928 Are you sure about that? @2:35
I understood almost none of this but I still feel smarter for listening
You can learn more on game theory in microeconomics textbooks, you'll learn the basic definitions and how equilibriums work instead of starting off with multiple transactions like in the video.
If you really want to hack at it, read the whole microeconomics textbook and you'll understand why in the real world there aren't any doves and they're all hawks lol.
@@jaimecastillo8716 you just spat extremely complicated words at idiots like us :)
Did you pay attention?
lol me 2
@@PotatoChips-jy9pk I hate this question
"Simple blobs with no social structure"
I feel personally attacked.
Lmfaooo. So true.
Adam Dee
Nigga what?
Adam Dee gtfo
Adam Dee Oh no, you triggered the Queen Tribe, I'd suggest running.
Adam Dee yeah basically their like u
Primer in 5 years: "Okay so now we introduce our Blobs to another trait called taxes."
that decreases their death chance from 50% to 5%, unless they are red, than it increases their death chance by 10%
You'll be surprised at how many papers talk about GAME THEORY and TAXES.
10000+ for sure
@@harmhoeks5996 Well anything that talks about human interaction are usually explained using game theory because that is how we think. They teach game theory in Politics as Basics of all political interactions :) The governments' job should be to educate people that they should act as a blue blob and the government will act as a blue blob and then you get maximum return. That is why Danish people are happy, as they get the maximum from their taxes as the corruption is really low :)
This guy is going to end up simulating the entire universe
5% go to prison for tax evasion
1:48 I don't know why, but every time I see this dove and the 50% survival rate, I feel so bad for him.
Same bro
same
But that's wrong and wrong again to feel OK about being unreasonable. Dove life experience and hawk life experience are both different AND involve the survival traits and features survival dictated had to be there OR else there'd be no one else to know, tell or consider the differences. As such, doves gotta do what doves do to be functional, SO occasional hawk food is naturally included, but you ignore and deplore THAT necessary part of dove existence. Essentially such misjudgment is due to idiosyncratic, psychopathological GREED; you want it all and no one gets nor deserves to get it all, no matter what, when, why, how where you are. Do you understand? CAN you ever understand OR is it beyond your capability to do so because you're so misfocused by BS data? I'm asking, not telling, for both our benefit.
But being a "dove" sux, so maybe such a condition is more of a good thing, overall, even for the hapless, barely conscious dove. If you had a choice, which would you be? Life quality seems to be entirely MISSING in all these considerations. Maybe doves will go extinct and something worth the life-struggle MIGHT emerge. But we'll never know with exponential dove repro rates and hawks sick of an exclusive diet of dovemeat, the conditions today, if you follow the analogy. We're drowning in doves, and veggie hawks are starving, so to speak, imho. Thomas Malthus, the British economist discovered the Malthusian Doctrine in the early 19th century. Show what unlimited population growth of any and all lifeforms in a closed system of limited resources results in - invariably as solid mathematics - social/environmental/biological collapse and mass die off.
@@jeffwalther3935 jeez calm down
There is another variable to consider here. A green blob, perhaps called the Raven. The Raven acts like a Hawk when facing a Dove and acts like a Dove when facing a Hawk. I wager this would be the most successful strategy. You could even add a fourth, a yellow one called a Swan that acts like a Dove when facing a Dove but acts like a Hawk when facing a Hawk. I would like to see such a simulation.
Swans are way tougher than the other birds, steer clear of them when kayaking.
That is a really good idea
@@TentacleseRexjust smack it with your paddle
What about when Raven and Swan Interact with each other?
You can also add a fifth, a grey one called the Seagull that just steals food from everyone cause seagulls are _assholes_
Blob - hey do you ever think we're in a simulation?
Other blob: nah that's stupid
Black mirror.
the Other blob it's sharper
Draiden
Don’t wanna be that person, but I’m 100th like
@@huskayaken8252 your the 100th person to like my comment. I'm gonna fly you down to Florida and interview for a talk show im hosting. Your not gonna gonna what it's called wanna be in it!?
Lol
when the CZcams algorithm shows us something that isn’t years old
Ikr
Indeed
What does he use to make these simulations?
itskatea The 2024 people will be here soon don’t worry
Bro this video has a 2013 CZcams vibe tho, It's like the video where they turn the sphere inside out
Doves subsidizes hawks while hawks bring the whole team down. Yeah, that checks.
There's a game called "evolution of trust" and it explores the game theory topic where instead of playing one turn with others, they play multiple turns
Doves: sharing is caring
Hawks: splish splash your opinion is trash
Damn copied
@@chrissizemore1772 who cares lol
@@chrissizemore1772 Who says its copied? There is a similar comment but its not the same as others it could be inspired by the comment you think its copied from but it's not it's just used for inspiration. Sorry but I hate it when people say a comment is copied while really, it only has some similarities cause let me remind you 13 thousand people commented so far and you think all of those comments are different? once again sorry but it just annoys me so much to see people do this stuff and then again there is a chance this is copied but then changed a bit still that does not mean its copied, it's inspired by.
more like hipity hopity your food is now my property
So fucking cringe
"adds dove"
"dove meets hawk on first round"
"Has 50% chance of survival"
"dies"
thats what I didn't get
didn't he say if they only get a half they can't reproduce
how can the only dove in a stack of hawks possibly reproduce then
edit: aight so the moment he explained the purple blobs it seems to be apparent that you somehow have a chance of reproducing even if you went home with only 1/2 food
would've been nice if he explained that more clearly at the start
@@JuliusBriggs, or he just could have gotten lucly and not met a hawk that round.
Banana Narwhals oh right cheers that makes sense
JMacCookie 100% Fruchtfleisch he explained it pretty clearly 😂
Ranora I just forgot that they can also encounter no one but I thought there’d be enough blobs so that everyone in the group would meet someone else
Banana narwhals already reminded me of it
The fact that I had to watch this in class
Thanks for the support my friend im here watching your replay salute fam 💪🏾
Blue: sharing is caring
Red: but I don’t care
it's a better move
But cruel
copied
Yes I know im in youtube right now ok
lol
@@slellyman.6700 not cruel, if everyone shared we wouldn’t have anything to take but if everyone takes we wouldn’t have anything to share. We need competitive Hawk like people and we also cooperative Dove like people. People think of the color red as bad but to me it’s the color of competition not hurting people just trying to be better.
Nice
How the hawks educate their offspring:
"Sharing is gay"
@Amethyst Girl dove noises
@CraZy Jeez didn't you know that the gays can multiply. Noob
@CraZy Sharing is only gay when it's done out of, like, authentic human empathy and compassion for others. I mean... if a man shares his lunch with a homeless man because he actually just enjoys making people happier for some reason (and they both have male genitalia), then that's obviously pretty gay. Like, dude... You're being nice to another man. Lol. Wtf. Yeah... That's gay af.
But you have to also consider that sharing is basically communism, and communism is what allowed a poor farming country to grow into a global superpower with a dominating military and advanced nuclear/space technology in a matter of like 20 years, continuing to mess with global politics even several decades after its collapse. So, if the immense power contained within the dark art of "sharing" is handled by a real, dominating man, then it's clearly not gay at all. In that case, it's actually world domination, pretty much.
Sharing is caring!
Hawk: sounds like communism!
jerimy williamson in the meantime, they’re red themselves
5:10 I would like to see a study where humans play this game, one time where they just play it then they get rewarded for surviving the longest and then for the group surviving the longest. Logically in the games where they get rewarded they all should pick dove as then they’d survive endless but I kinda have the feeling that humans wouldn’t do that even if they get it explained and try again.
The red and black game is well investigated and well documented for both human behavior and corporate strategies I'm pretty sure.
in prisoner's dilemma the two players are unable to communicate but in red and black game they can negotiate and deceive.
We played it in Psych.
The teacher made a terrible mistake by announcing no one would play dove. So naturally we all doved lol
Los Humanos hacemos eso... por eso está sobrepoblado el planeta... pensar que los humanos somos egoístas solo proyecta tu perspectiva del la humanidad... es decir lo que para ti es normal, representa lo que tu normalmente harías... por cierto llevamos mucho sobreviviendo compartiendo... saludos.
You speak of "humans" as if we are all the same, and that's false...
narcissists
borderlines
histrionics
sociopaths/psychopaths/malignant narcissists (same-species predators)
paranoids
Those are 5 groups of people who have a broken moral compass...a disorder of MORAL character. Clinically, they're called personality disorders (psychology) or characterological disorders (psychiatry/medicine), and they don't play by the rules. In fact, they believe the rules and laws of society and the social contract apply to everyone else BUT them. They're the people who are most likely to completely derail your life (or career, if it's at work) and leave you with PTSD that changes you forever. In some cases, they may kill you.
You see, not everyone is driven by the same "reward" as you suggest they are. For some people...read: sociopaths...their reward is just to f*ck other people's lives up so they can steal their joy...even if it kills them in the process. They don't care about themselves, so they sure don't care about others.
Someone with paranoid personality disorder may kill you, even if you are their child, even if you are helping them survive.
For narcissists, the only true reward they need is narcissistic supply (read: admiration from others). Even if you help them survive, if you become more publicly admired than them, they'll knife you in the back so quickly. In the most extreme form...malignant narcissism...they'll become suicide bombers for their cause if it will get them the "public admiration" they need.
Psychopaths are almost entirely driven by greed...they never have enough toys, money, or shiny pretty objects to alleviate their extreme greed and extreme boredom...their god complex makes them believe they deserve it.
The above are all different forms of sociopathy...what distinguishes one from the others is what DRIVES them to behave like a sociopath...and they KNOW they are very different from other people (doves) who have *empathy* for others.
Many, many good, decent people don't even know these various forms of sociopathy exist. They see the horrific things that happen on the news, but they believe it's people who are "mentally ill" instead of recognizing these individuals are almost entirely morally bankrupt and predatory on those they perceive as weaker: even their own infants, toddlers, children, the ill, and the elderly. Some people automatically blame drugs and alcohol, not understanding that most all people who abuse drugs and alcohol have underlying Cluster B character disorders (narcissists, borderlines, sociopaths) and psychopaths use drugs and alcohol to alleviate their extreme and pervasive boredom and rarely, if ever, become addicted.
Oh, and just to be clear. The term "hawk" means predator...and the term "dove" is a synonym for prey, just like in the real world, hawks are predatory birds who prey on the gentle nature of doves (and pigeons, fish, rodents).
This YTer is using the terms hawk and dove, I can only assume because "predator" and "prey" is too haltingly honest and may be off-putting to some who don't understand how predators (narcissists, borderlines, histrionics, sociopaths/psychopaths see the people around them/in the world).
dude this videos editing and style is awesome and the video explains all these things extremely well. Enjoyed a lot, subbed
I won't lie, I love the fact that the blobs blink. It's a small detail, but it's so cute!
@@silent_stalker3687 They're definitely blinking. Look at the blue blob at the beginning of the video. It blinks a couple of times.
@@silent_stalker3687 uh, no. They're blinking.
Lmao, this silent stalker guy deleted his comment. Maybe he realised how stupid he was being
@Eliscpsis • precisely what he said. Like how dumb can one be tf 😂
Eliscpsis •
_the cursor_
Doves: Share the food
Hawks: Have three fourths of the food
Seagulls: Takes all the food
MINE
MINE
MINE, MINE
MINE?
MINE
Owl:eats the other blobs
MINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINE
Apparently, there are seagulls in our world...
Mine mine mine minemine
If I ever have to explain the Hawk/dove theory again, I will send people your way. You did a great job at explaining it.
Omg your voice is so calming to me, like so close to understanding other language even if I’m not native
I just got tricked into a math class that i actually liked
Well this isn't really math. I think its kind of a science lesson. I mean the people being aggressive and nice isn't really math or English but it could be considered as science but thats just how I see it not how you do. Its okay to have opinions!
@@littleherbling3721 that is true
@TriVos Ahren I completely forgot about biology lol sorry.
sociology
hate that sht
This took “sharing is caring” to a whole new level
Hehehe lol true
союз нерушимый республик свободных
Communism
SpiderEye_Golum *soviet noises*
*Yep*
I was never good at stuff like this in math but watching this video actually just really made me understand how these problems worked.
I was very inspired by your video! Thank you so much.
Hawk: Has A Baby Hawk
Baby And Parents Find The Same Food
Parent: DIE
Parent: *E A T T H E B A B Y*
Underrated comment
I can hear Albert screaaming Die in my ear
Rohan H oof XD
Oof XD
Me acting like I understand: “🤔 yes, go on”
Ah yes I understand this complicated math
@@gary1471 the algorithmic theory of how it all works 😂
@@hayden6265 hmm I agree yes this algorithm is so easy to understand
You're slow
@@EngineerMikey5 you’re fast
This videos are super intersting. Thanks for making them keep them up.
This explains so much in such a cool way!
In a nutshell. Doves like olives but not enough to want it all for theirselves, while Hawks like olives so much that they will die if given the chance to get more olives.
Yea true lol
Lol
this comment in a nutshell, half the time olives are to die for. literally.
@@Harper180 Lmao ye
Bruh, I thought those were grapes, lol.
Doves: "Sharing is caring"
Hawk: *peace was never an option*
Me:yes but actually no
Hawk when it meets other hawk: THIS IS NOT OKIE DOKIE
Goose to the hawk peace was never an option is my thing hawk I have teeth on Tongue on my beak I can destroy your life hawk
shouldsuckmydick DonaldTrump lol I understood the reference! Yeh pretty much, can mutants and normal people live in peace together 😂
Doves: "Sharing is caring"
Hawks: *but I don't care*
Blue: You want one?
Red: spits on both of them.
School cafeteria logic
Yes
The blue ones are called doves and the red ones are called hawks
@@TheTaqiadeen we know mr smart guy
@@TheTaqiadeen هاي صعب تحصل سعودي
Everybody gangsta, watching video, until the math part starts kicking in
Everybody gangsta till you tell them that all they had to do was follow the damn train.
Choc Chip "CJ!"
Come on, it's not hard math. Well, depends how old you are and what grade you go in.
Everybody gangsta till you have to understand basic fractions
Oh god oh fuck he's talking about decimals now I take it back
i have watched this video several times throughout my life and it always finds a way back to my fyp for me too watch fully again 😂
I like the animation style, also this is peaceful af
Me at 3 AM:
CZcams: Wanna simulate the evolution of aggresion?
Yes
Yes
2:35am for me...
Its 2:09 for me and I said "why not"
Bout to be 4 😛
"We end up in this tragic situation where everyone's fighting all the time, even though they would do better if they could just cooperate."
humanity explained.
underated comment
Let's try to shift that, fellow dove brethren!!
Thats actually the reason why there are less wars nowadays then in the past fighting just isnt worth it anymore
The good news is that human history has trended towards greater equality, more cooperation, and less conflict over time. Probably, that fact doesn't reflect a change in the overall human genome though. It's something very different that genetics cannot entirely explain by itself. You have to actually conceptualize it, because evolution is much bigger than genetics.
In terms of genetics, we are barely any different now than we were 10,000 years ago, when civilizations began to emerge all around the world, and there was nonstop fighting. The reason that humans all began to settle down at the same time was, probably, because the climate was changing, given that it was right around the end of the last ice age. Humans had to adapt to the same global event at the same time. As it happened, we all chose the same solution. We were already a prosocial species who could think ahead and plan for the future, so the easiest solution to scarcity due to mass extinction was literally just grouping together, sharing, and cooperating to make life mutually better for everyone. Everyone can contribute to what needs to be done, and at the end of the day, everyone actually has more energy to do more things as a result. You don't have to work nearly as hard if you have help. It's pretty obvious when you think about it. It is beneficial for you to get help, and in order to get help, you have to do something to help someone else too. You have to cooperate and share, but in return, you are also more likely to survive.
Ever since we settled down into fixed societies and abandoned the ways of our nomadic, hunter-gatherer ancestors, we have begun to evolve culturally, as well as biologically. We became reliant on others for our own survival, and as a result, it became a selective pressure to conform to the norms of the group. If you contribute more to the group, then the group will favor you, and you will be taken care of. It is thus beneficial for your own survival to contribute to the group's survival. On the other hand, if you try to cheat the group and only take for yourself without ever giving back, then you will be shunned, cast out, or possibly even executed by your peers (depending on the severity of your crimes). Selfishness is thus selected against. Empathy is an advantage in close-knit society where everyone helps everyone, but not in a culture where people are distant and pessimistic about the motivations of others. In that case, selfish behavior would be more advantageous to you, because it is not certain that your cooperation will be reciprocated by someone else in the group. You might be expending energy working for the sole benefit of someone else, but then not receiving the same altruism in return. So, you are actually worse off for contributing to society, and it might be preferable to build a shack in the woods and live by yourself.
Simply put, modern society *is* the prisoner's dilemma. Cooperation is preferable, but no one trusts anyone else, so they don't want to risk contributing to the group without receiving anything back from the group.
Can you all just...
BEHAVE YOURSELVES
ive seen this a ton of times but i can always watch it to the end
This is one of the most interesting things I have ever watched on CZcams
There’s something about multicolor pears fighting for their lives that’s completely fascinating.
ikr
Yes, there is!
It’s kind of strange…
Ikr?
Honesty
"If 2 individuals come across a pair of food, they will have to figure out how to share the food."
Creature1: damn, Jerry, I dunno, how are we going to split 2 pieces of food between the two of us?
*kills jerry and takes all the food*
@@gavrochethenardier957-Damn it hawk!
1.5 / 0.5?
@@ManicMercurianAstrology nah..2.5/7.5
Sorry to be that guy this reply section is jokes
Nice video. Love these kind of simulations of natural selection.
Bro this helped me with a science homework question for some reason and got a good mark!
I don't know why this video was recommended to me, but I'm glad it was
Same here
The CZcams algorithm is confusing sometimes
Bitboxtunes same here buddy
Bitboxtunes same
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Why I'm watching blue and red pears eating green circles
spheres*
peas
Shrek's ass*
Matthew Farrell i don't even know anymore!
Idk
Nice! its worth saying that a population of 50% hawks and 50% doves is equivalent to a population of individuals who play randomly play hawk and dove, each 50% of the time. The randomness qualification is important because, of course, knowing what your opponent will play changes what you should play.
what if you dont know what is opponent
I remember watching this video like 2 years ago and it came up again
come back i need to see more blobs fighting to their death
I'm sorry, you'll need to wait until next black Friday.
@@TheIntJuggler lmaooo
Where did he go for real tho?
@@briansandoval316 I don't know
What does he use to make these simulations?
12:52 I LOVE the dancing blobs at the end!!! SO CUTE ❤❤😊😊
I love to be able to code little thins like this. Just amazing. Been looking for about 2 years on how to start. Love any help
Love this stuff
Me: I hate math
Me at 3 am watching this video: *woah*
Why is this so true XD
I feel ya
same
Same!
This isn't math
I can’t believe this guy invented the Hunger Games 🔥👌🏻
Boo Bella I love it
Joypad gaming 3rd comment(I know...)
Yup Literally 😂😂😂
Whuut,??
Really he did?
Loved the content its fire🔥
Thank you Primer
whoa, i thought the single added dove was gonna die immediately.
It could very well have it was quite lucky
It would have had a 1/4 chance of dying the first round but I agreed wit you ngl
I don’t understand. Where did that one dove get the reproduction possibility? If he only met with hawks, he could only have 50% chance of living, but no reproduction chance.
Bass Weapon facts
@@bassweapon if he landed on 2 uncontested green blobs. In this model if you get 2 green blobs u reproduce not if you meet another mate.
all doves lived in harmony until the hawks attacked
That we know of in this contained situation, but imagine if the hawks are necessary to keep away a predator that would have wiped away their entire species?
@@GoIdenbaum Well it would likely not be a predator that wipes out a whole species. The predator and the prey stay in a pretty close population size. Predators depend on the prey thus making their population decline as the prey decline allowing the prey to increase and restart the cycle. A dangerous variable can be an invasive species. In this case, a hawk would serve a purpose in combatting the invasive species and may have a better survival chance rate as played into natural selection.
LordLukste it was an avatar joke
@@hispanicbaljeet4076 Getting the heck out of there tends to be the superior evolutionary strategy for prey when facing their predators. It's lonely at the apex. Sometimes you forget that when you are human...and American...
Everybody gangsta until the hawk steals your food
This is the video that introduced me to game theory years ago and it got recommended to me again.
i have came back to this video 30 times
not complaining
Doves: “Hey let’s share and live peacefully”
Hawk: *PEACE WAS NEVER AN OPTION*
Ibrahim Barham HAHA OMG
HAHA THAT'S SO FUNNY AND LITERALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HAHA
Only retards thank people for likes
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@@frozencascade HAHA I DON'T GET IT AND ITS NOT FUNNY IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT HAHA
HAHAHAHAHA
Just one dove was able to change the whole game.
Perhaps a bit too deep
Be the dove bro, be the dove
It's also about chances, but yes
Exactly. That's the point I dont understand.when they meet hawk they get 1/4th of food. And how can they survive before they even start to reproduce. I mean did they escape so many times from hawk ? Or is it one of the multiple scenarios/universe we are talking about. If that's the case I can understand, but otherwise that should be one lucky dove.
@@ursyedis The population was kinda low with hawks only so the chance of getting to food alone were really good as this was also the only way hawks could survive, because for hawks only, they either reproduce or die, but they never "just survive"
The dove most likely didn't have to survive more than once (if at all) to get to reproduce and from that moment on it became easier and easier.
But yes, if the dove had been unlucky, it would have died on the first day and it would have been over for the doves. But like one of the past videos said, many things on evolution depend on chances. Obviously to prove a point the shown simulation was not taken from one of the unlucky dove versions.
Loved that a Beautiful Mind reference!
Thanks for the Korean sub.
This topic is very interesting and also fascinating. Love your video ! From south korea 😀
The only message I got from this video
“Perfectly balanced, as all things should be”
Gamora : What did it cost?
You : 14 minutes and 5 seconds
r/unexpectedthanos
I’m both proud and disappointed
*snaps left fingers*
2:30 what happened to the other doves?
Gone, reduced to atoms.
Choosing Hawk/Hawk strategy basically means you're saying "If I have a 50% chance of dying, why don't I make it 100% and take you with me."
Lo l
"if it's just 50% of ME dying.. then why not increase it for both of us?"
Think of the other way, if your gonna act like hawk against hawk, you will just have a survival rate of 0%.
@@nayankumarbarwa4317 and?
Lel
Geniuenly made me want to watch till the end
3:46
The bad alternative future:
It goes nexto a hawk, and doesnt survive. Luckily this simulation didnt do that
ikr, we got lucky
Very interesting and all.... Lovely idea (or is it Dovely?) and presentation too.... But one additional thing that would be great to model / simulate would be the age progression of the doves and Hawks....
The model in video only looks at sizes of populations surviving but not longevity or 'average age of survival' which is a big factor in behavioural evolution. So on each case there is an equilibrium between dove and hawk population but if numbers can be assigned to how many days they are surviving, it would give an idea about which species is losing more in the interactions.... As in real life, only adults can hunt and reproduce....
Sooo the main point i understood in the video is that there is a 50% possibility that the next person you will meet will be an asshole 😁
XD
😁
and also 50% that you are one yourself :P
LMAO
What if I’m the asshole?
Me when my sibling want me to share: dove
My sibling when i want him to share : hawk
Hawk is my sis, Dove is me :')
same T^T
@@vagabonder02 same
It’s fun being a hawk
*soviet anthem intensifies *
Wow, such a great channel!
This is awesome. What a great video mister
this video scratches my brain in all the right places
These blobs are now evolved and known as “Fall Guys”
Lol
I guess that makes sense
Yessss
fax
Guess they didn’t evolve enough to know how seesaws work
Hawks: How are you still alive?
Doves: My death was.. greatly exaggerated.
I understood that reference
@@sho6413 Tombstone, right?
@@giphe Megamind
@@sho6413 oh
@@sho6413 Nah, clearly Invincible
The reference to Beautiful Minds, a story about Nash is crazy.
I wonder how many people watching this video have little education in maths because they never found it interesting but enjoyed this video. It would show the framing of education might be a little off since this is exactly the type of thing I learnt in maths, found it fascinating whilst not understanding why everyone hated maths.
Confucious once said:
“Before you embark on a journey of revenge, start by digging two graves.”
And even if you survive it's useless. In my country they've made quite stupid movie, part of serie. It was about guy being left by fiance because she preferred wealthier guy. So what her ex did? Found another girl? Nope. He sold all his stuff to get money and asked friend for help to pretend he won lottery or sth and is even more wealthy to stop her wedding, get her back and than, revealed that he's poor as hell ad left her. It was typical revenge. Guy just lost everything.Time, money, furniture... to make little, useless prank on his ex. Revenge is waste of time and sources.
Relevance?
Nemo TheEight If you’re alone you cant depend on others to make you happy, you must create that source of happiness.
In other words... make sure its fucking worth dieing over.
Confucious is also a dyed-in-the-wool conformist that looks at a poor person and is like "Well, better luck next time".
"You might want to pause the video to do the math yourself"
Jesus christ, you must be even higher than I am
Brilliant
Thought the same bro
Never related so hard
I truly paused the video and did the math...
@@diesechl4415 and I was truly high
"It's called game theory"
*aggressive game theory theme playing*
Thank you! So interesting
Definitely thought the 1 Dove around all the Hawks was going to die instantly...
Well, you could calculate the chances of the dove dying (or surviving) the first day:
If it meets a hawk, there's a 50% chance of it surviving.
If it doesn meet a hawk, theres a 100% chance of survival and reproducing
Now you have to add the chances of both situations happening.
Lets say there are 10 pairs of food, 9 hawks and 1 dove. and we'll assume everyone finds a pair of food.
All hawks have a 10% (1 of the 10 pairs of food has the dove) chance of going to the pair of food with the dove, 9 * 10% = 90%.
So theres a 10% chance the dove doesnt meet a hawk.
10% * 100% + 90% * 50% = 55% chance of survival.
And now without fixed numbers, but just some variables:
(gonna use numbers instead of percentages here)
survival = (1 - [#hawks] * 1 / [#food pairs]) * 1 + ([#hawks] * 1 / [#food pairs]) * .5
(if anyone finds any mistakes in my calculations, please lemme know)
_What am I doing with my life, its 00:30am, I should go to bed instead of watching random math videos_
Edit:
I forgot to include the fact that there cant be more than two creatures at one pair of food, which does influence the calculations a little.
i.e., 10 food pairs, 19 hawks, 1 dove.
theres a 100% chance that the dove will meet a hawk, because there are 20 spots where creatures can sit, which will all be taken, so there would be a 50% chance of survival. But with the formula I created it would be a 5% chance of survival, because according to the formula, there can be more than two creatures at one pair of food.
I'll try to include that in the formula tomorrow...
Alright, new day, new math
I think I got the right formula now
h = number of hawks
f = number of food pairs
d = chance of dying when meeting a hawk
survival = 1 - h / (2f-1) * d
example:
h = 3
f = 8
d = .5
survival = 1 - h / (2f-1) * d
= 1 - 3 / (2*8-1) * .5
= 1 - 3 / 15 * .5
= 1 - .2 * .5
= 1 - .1
= .9
= 90%
if anyone finds a mistake in my math, please lemme know
@@amber3650 Your 2f-1 term doesn't really make any sense to me. Perhaps there is some reasoning behind it that isn't totally off, but I calculated the answer and got a slightly different answer. Here's the idea:
Let's called p the probability that you meet a hawk. The chance of survival is 100% if you don't meet a hawk and 50% if you meet a hawk, or 1*(1-p)+.5*p. Let's try to calculate p.
Let's say there are f food pairs and h hawks (to keep consistent with your notation). Your food pair is fixed. There are (f choose h) ways to organize all the hawks, and (f-1 choose h) ways to organize all the hawks so that they aren't on your food pair. Thus, the chance that you don't meet a hawk is (f-1 choose h)/(f choose h), which if you do the algebra simplifies out to be (f-h)/f. This then means that the chance of meeting a hawk is h/f, or in your example 3/8.
So our total survival probability comes out to be (f-h)/f+.5*h/f=(2f-h)/2f, or 13/16=81.25% in your example
More generally, if your survival rate when meeting a hawk is s, then the probability of surviving the first day is (f+(s-1)h)/f.
Let me know if you have any questions.
EDIT: I goofed, correct formula should (hopefully) be below in my next comment.
@@amankarunakaran6346 Did you include the fact that there can only be zero, one or two creatures at one pair of food?
I tested your formula with the example 19h, 10f, 1d, and survival chance at meeting of 0.5.
The answer should be 0.5, because the dove will always meet a hawk, because there are 19 places where hawks can sit, and there are 19 hawks, and the chance of surviving is 0.5.
But your formula gave me the result 0.05.
In fact, everything with x food, and 2x-1 hawks and 1 dove, should result in 0.5. But your formula only does that with 1 food, 1 hawk and 1 dove, because then you are forcing the one hawk to meet the dove.
Does that logic make sense?
EDIT:
I just tested it with another example, 2f, 1h, 1d. And in that case your formula is correct (.75), and mine isn't (.83).
So it looks like we're both wrong...
@@amber3650 Ack, I missed the chance that two hawks can go to the same food pile, thanks for pointing that out.
So basically there are 2f locations to stand (2 for each food pile), and each hawk/dove can only stand at 1 location.
Then, the chance that you don't meet a hawk is (2f-2 choose h)/(2f-1 choose h)=(2f-1-h)/(2f-1), and the chance you meet a hawk is h/(2f-1) (I now see where you got it from). So the formula should come out to .5*h/(2f-1)+1*(2f-1-h)/(2f-1)
=(.5*h+1*(2f-1-h))/(2f-1)
=(2f-1-.5h)/(2f-1).
I think the mistake in your original formula was not including the probability that you don't meet a hawk as a coefficient to the 1.
Alright, I think this should actually be correct this time. Christ, and combo is supposed to be my good subject...
If I was a hawk and ended up getting no food, id just eat the other hawk.
Then you'd be vulture
But that my friend is called cannabalism
But are you more than 20% the size of your foe?
@@brokenblender5544 I'm more than 100% the size of my foes. Fun fact, If you eat a person you become the size of two people. At this point I'm unstoppable
SpartanGames not if I eat more people than you first
Love this video, its mindful in a sence.
i love you and your videos so much
Dove: Shares food
Hawk: Takes 3/4
Seagull: Takes all
Ibis: Takes all, munches it in front of you and spits it to the ground.
Wow I didn't know there was a bird that could be worse than a seagull.
@@TheChickenRiceBowl czcams.com/video/mO-OpFjHRbE/video.html
Bin chickens.
Human: Eats dove, hawk, and seagull...
if I was anyone of those I'm a ibis
I haven't felt this sort of childish joy at being able to figure something out for myself in ages. When I first saw the graph of Hawk v Dove and figured out the trend it was going towards, I was amazed. Thank you.
The best teachers are the ones that make you feel smart am I right
Not sure about that.
If you decrease the level you'll feel smarter but it would not be efficient teaching.
@@bananesalee7086 What I mean is not lowering the level. Instead, what I mean is when a teacher tells you just enough so that you can figure the solution yourself.
@@NotASpyReally Like, actually using your brain instead of just memorizing facts?
@@thealover exactly
I would personally pick dove no matter what, since when a blob encounters a dove it will survive 100% of the time, but when it meets a hawk the dove has an upper hand since it gets 50% chance of survival. And the survival chance is actually more valuable than the reproduce chance, since you can survive without reproducing, but you can't reproduce without surviving
Man, this guy knows how to make math kinda fun. Out of school already and this guy makes me wonder why my teachers couldn't get my attention like this.
“The world suffers a lot. Not because the violence of bad people. But because of the silence of the good people.”
-Napoleon
David Caduyac
The BIBLE said that thousands of years before:
1 James,chapter 4,verse 17
You need to stop playing CoD
Napoleon, known philanthropist
@@saymyname2618 wow who memories the bible, damn! Sad...
Quoted
bro it started as “these blobs need to eat food” and it ended as “if you look on the graph the equilibrium is displayed as an outcome of continuous controlling continuing extinction.” Like WAT
Not meant for babies
Riz Rishi Sahu my comment wasnt meant for people who dont know sarcasm
@@thatkoreankid3663 so out of 7400000 people 37 are sarcasm experts like u... Congratulations
Riz Rishi Sahu if u really think ur that smart you should put into consideration, how many people actually like comments, how many people actually saw my comment, and how many people saw the video after i had posted the comment lol. idk if you noticed but out of all the people who saw the comment, at least 37, they at least understood the sarcasm lol. congrats 😂
Riz Rishi Sahu u really didnt understand 😂 it was so stupid i thought u were also being sarcastic
This video is responsible for my stress and taking away that that stress
always fun to know you are one of the doves and spend your life sharing with hawks
better to be other way round
doves: “sharing is caring”
hawks: sounds like communist propaganda to me but ok
Hi Dio Brando
DIO!
@@atasmaniandevilwithaphone5514 Dio*
@@nukenier-4836 Sir, it was Dio Brando but from part 3 on it's DIO
@@nukenier-4836 also r/woooosh
7.3k views, 1.3k likes, 3 dislikes
17.8% interaction, 99.8% like percentage... not bad numbers
The dislikes are the Hawks that fought and couldn't get any food
Now, 11k likes, 30 dislike. Meaning 99.99% like percentage 💣👌🏻
That interaction number is off because of how youtube counts views, its possibke to like or comment before your view gets counted, thus falsely inflating your interaction percentage
57 people just realized how dumb creationism is and are angry that they have to start learning science from scratch now.
But its skewed, The first people to view the video are probably subscribed and subscribed people are more likely to like.
Fascinating!
7:05Sorry but I just have to do it.
*"But hey, that's just a theory. A GAME THEORY."*
YEEAAAAA
@@maleryisdead who did say that?
@@techexplorer7484 wgat'
Idk why but I always love seeing the “Prisoner’s Dilemma” in action. It’s always really interesting to see the dilemma
Same, it's very fascinating in a way.
what the heck is the prisonsjshrbrbers diklkirjnmsa?
@@peestrem31 Ted-Ed has a video on it, you should check it out!
@@hanoianboy9562 ok
@@peestrem31 He explained it then and there, with what You and him should pick if you face off.
Whether you pick dove or hawk, Which one would be the most beneficial for you