Evidence for the Exodus (part 11): The Storage City of Pithom.
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2022
- Exodus 1:11 says that the Israelites built the storage cities of Ramesses and Pithom. Many people talk about Ramesses with it being an Imperial capital. But little is said about Pithom. On this episode, we talk about the archaeological and textual context of the storage city of Pithom.
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Going after skeptics and early date proponents in one video… Love it!
Yup, I'm making friends and influencing people all over the place.
Hello Dr. Falk. I have made a running tally of all of the times that either the 1450 or 1750 (Rohl’s) Exodus dates contradict with Scripture. Currently I have a running total of ~61 for 1450, and ~264 for 1750. And some of these require outright removals, like verses about chariots for the 1750 date, or extensive modifications, like Ex. 14-15 being a style of poetry unique to the Ramesside period. Early Date proponents like to make it sound like they are only proposing changing a couple of verses, I only ever hear them cite the ones about Pi-Rameses. But then one does the math, and it is far more than a couple.
Thank you so much for this series. Before I was a 1750 advocate because of Patterns, and then I watched these videos, and after a few weeks of prayer and study I have changed my mind to 1250 (I managed to skip 1450 altogether). You combine Biblical maximalism seamlessly with sound scholarship, which is very important to me, since I am starting my first semester of Archaeology this fall. You are an example of how to maintain both faith and academic rigor.
I agree 💯 RAMSES II is when the Exodus events took place
about Bronze Age Iron Age transitionings
That does seem to be where the evidence points. 😄
Where it all started. The debate was epic and I thought it was so substantive. Great work on protecting the word of God.
I hope Sean would watch this
I think he's aware of my content already. I think he prefers the stuff from ABR.
I di- oh another one.
@@ancientegyptandthebible Michael Jones did a great job on Sean's interview with him
@@KeepsLearning Yes, it was an excellent interview.
Sean has a vested interest in maintaining his current world view on this topic.
I remember watching Exodus: Gods and Kings in the theater and cringing every time they said PYthum.
Eek!!! I kept cringing when they dressed Ramesses in women's clothing. 😬
@@ancientegyptandthebible Poor Ramesses 😅😅😅😂
I wish with all my heart that your channel will become more and more popular! It’s so important to talk about Exodus in historical terms and avoid „young-Earth creationist“ dating because it makes everyone else doubt the Bible, especially The Old Testament. I with pleasure share your channel with all my Christian friends and pastor of our conservative Lutheran Church!
"avoid „young-Earth creationist“ dating because it makes everyone else doubt the Bible, especially The Old Testament."
As Christians, we are not to market the bible to everyone else in such a way that it meets the standards of the world. We are to tell people about the bible because it's the truth. We are not to lie and twist the bible to fit the standards of other people.
Great stuff...thanks.
Eww..... Douglas.
Is it possible to maintain the view that Genesis 1:1 - 11:26 was added during the Babylonian Exile to serve as commentary to the text similar as to how the book of Jeremiah as found in the DSS & LXX was later updated with commentary?
The question is why would someone push the date for Genesis 1-11 to Babylonian exile? Like whats the argument?
@@magnificentuniverse3085 Cultural elements.
For example, Genesis chapter 8 mentions the Ark coming to rest on "the mountains of Ararat". Ararat was the ancient name for the region of Armenia, also called "Urartu".
As Irving Finkel has pointed out, the Babylonians similarly believed the Ark to have landed on the mountains of Urartu - it is mentioned in the Babylonian map of the world! But that belief is not older than the 7th century bc.
Some might dismiss the connection between Genesis and Mesopotamian literature as a pure coincidence, but conbined, the similarities are enough to establish indirect intertextuality.
Explaining it all away by positing "later editing" is also problematic because it destroys the narrative of Genesis 1-11.
@@philipps6032 If Terah moved from Ur of Sumer to Haran wouldn't he of known of any stories from there and carried them with them wherever they went? It's not like the Israelites would of heard them the first time when they came to Babylon in the 7th Century.
@@501Mobius I know that the flood story was likely known by the Israelites prior to the Babylonian Exile. Isaiah 54 (/55?) mentions "the waters of Noah" as a reference to Noah's flood but nothing of this has to indicate that the text (at its final form) was written in the late bronze Age.
I have no problem with Genesis 1-11 having been based on earlier written and oral sources.
I generally place its final composition between 680 and 540 bc.
@@philipps6032 One of the problems, I found with Gensis it that if has a lot of contradictions and inconsistency. I've tried making videos on some subjects in Gensis but was stymied by contrary information. You would think that if this is a later creation the scribes would been able to edit this better not worse than Exodus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
I’ve been waiting on you to weigh in on the Sean McDowell interview ever since I saw it. I seem to recall Sean saying that he would have someone on to present facts for the late date as well. Assuming you are not sworn to secrecy, has he contacted you by any chance?
Nope, he hasn't contacted me. He knows about me. I think he's avoiding me. 🤷♂
@@ancientegyptandthebible That’s a shame. Many could benefit from your knowledge and rigorous scholarship on the subject, and certainly there needs to be more awareness raised about the very good evidence for the late date as well as the glossed over problems with the early date.
Hello Dr. Falk. Hope you’re doing well. I had a question I wanted to ask you. Was Amenhophis IV (Akhenaton) the first king of Egypt to be called Pharoah? Or was the moniker “Pharoah,” first used for someone else. Or does it just depend on which chronology one would adhere to? Thank you so much. 🙏🏼
The title "pharaoh" was first used with Thutmosis III.
@@ancientegyptandthebible Thank you so much!
@@ancientegyptandthebible I have one last question if possible. It’s just that when researching the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt, it can be a little daunting since there’s so many. Could you direct me to a source that confirms that Thutmose III was the first one to be called Pharoah? It’s not that I don’t believe you. I absolutely do! I just want something that I’d be able to cite. I’m sorry for any inconveniences. Thanks again Dr. Falk.
@@mythologicalbeast5926 I don't have a source for you on this. I learned that under the tutelage of Ronald Leprohan who used to drill that fact into our thick skulls. It's really more of an observation than anything. If you read enough Egyptian texts, you start to notice that earlier texts don't use the title Pharaoh, but later text do.
@@mythologicalbeast5926 Encylcopedia Brittanica online also makes mention of that fact. It is not necessarily the best of sources, but it is something tangible at least.
Very interesting... But I'm a little confused, since I thought you accepted that place names could be updated in scripture to be identifiable by the readers, and that there was nothing that conflicted with divine inspiration with that. Or is there a problem with it in this particular instance?
What do you think about XI-century exodus theory (Ramesess III)? Any chance to make an episode covering this stuff?
The Merenptah Stele says the Israelites were already in Canaan by the end of the 13th century BC.
@@darkblade4340 Indeed, it says, but I read recently article of a guy named Larry D. Bruce The Merenptah stele and biblical origins of Israel, where he argues, that exodus must have happened in XII century (not XI-sorry), thats why I asked David to relate to this hypothesis
Thanks!!
You're welcome.
More Egyptian onomastics! Great!
I don't like John Van Seters. His scholarship is very hostile to the text, more so than other critical scholars.
Also Titus Kennedy being purposely selective with the evidence is why so many view Christian apologists as dishonest smh
I agree about both Van Seters and Kennedy.
I really love the evidence for the exodus series. To me, debunking the Ron Wyatt-esque or the Ancient Aliens disciple, has a lot less significance than taking on the academic and popular consensus that the Exodus never happened.
Thoughts on Steven Rudd?
Rudd has no professional credentials in archaeology. He's an associate at Associates for Biblical Research, so he's one of their shills. That pretty much says it all.
You remember what you told me about the Philistines ? Well I Saw thée end of the fourty years inthe willerness is exactly at the timing the people of that country would have adipted the name Philistine. Hence Genesis 10 talking about the peoples who are thé ones from whom the Philistines came.
I think that is very reasonable.
Pithom is nice and all BUT Hazor is where the buried 13th century cuneiform archive is at :)
Fingers crossed for summer 2023 since this summer was mostly removing the Iron Age trash-I MEAN uhh "strata" that was in the way haha 😅
Dr. Falk has the Lower city of Hazor ever been excavated? Because i have only seen reports of the Acropolis.
@@Tzimiskes3506 Although I know your question was directed at Dr. Falk, I do know a few things about the Lower city. After the 13th century destruction, the Lower city seems to not have occupied again (as far as we know). Only the acropolis seems to have been rebuilt later in the Iron Age. The Lower city has had little excavation. But I know that both a gate and part of a temple were discovered there. If I recall right, I think it was Yigael Yadin who excavated them. The reason most attention has been given to the acropolis is because that is likely where the cuneiform archive is at. The archive is what the director, Amnon Ben-Tor, has been hoping to find these past few decades. Since Ben-Tor is elderly now, I wish him all the luck to find it before his passing!
If some info here is mistaken, then I'm sure Dr. Falk will probably correct me on it.
@@nathanyadon8693 Thank you very much good sir. I am not an expert on history or archeology but have an interest in it. If you don't mind me asking, has the whole Acropolis been excavated? What if they do not find an archive? Could it be possible that the archives are in the lower city?
@@Tzimiskes3506 You're very welcome! As far as the acropolis, most of it is still buried lol. I'm sure it's not easy removing all that material! Specifically pertaining to the 13th century, a large building complex at the center of the acropolis was excavated by Ben-Tor during the 90s till early 2010s. There's some debate as to whether it was a palace, temple, or hybrid of the two (ceremonial palace). Regardless, lots of cool stuff was found. Including around 5-6 cuneiform tablets. (The latter adding evidential weight that there was an archive in the city.) Currently, and since the mid 2010s, the excavators have been focusing on another palace which connects the lower and upper city areas. So what you have in process is two major palace-like building from the 13th century discovered on the acropolis. Will this 2nd palace have the main archive stash? Hopefully! Fingers crossed!
It's possible that the archive might be in the lower city, but the acropolis is where the elite class usually dwelled. So chances are that it's likely up there.
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