'World Champion of what?' Reacting to U.S. sprinter Noah Lyles' NBA shade | First Take YT Exclusive
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- 'World Champion of what?' Reacting to U.S. sprinter Noah Lyles' NBA shade | First Take YT Exclusive
Stephen A. Smith and Dan Orlovsky discuss United States track star Noah Lyles making comments about the NBA.
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Dude said what the ENTIRE planet always wanted to say publicly
Yup I said it to my teacher in elementary school about baseball.
That was about 20 years ago
if everyone wanted to say it, why ain't no one said it? because we all secretly understood that even though nba champs aren't world champs, they might as well be because there isn't another team in the world that's beating a stacked nba team in a playoff series. and anyone who believes otherwise just isn't being honest or is delusional
@@joshualelo And to add something on top of that. Usain Bolt was amazing. Noah... "meeeeeh bolt did it best"😂 NObody was fronting on MJ and Barkley like that. Carmelo Anthony was better than Nigeria, not the team, the country. People dont understand that it wouldnt be for GM's Team USA would never lose. Imagine the world trying to defend steph ? 😂😂
Who can actually beat anyone in the nba
@Noooskie586 because U.S.A needs the world to make nba great .
Lyles does not need that help.
Now that Germany has just beaten the USA in FIBA, Noah's point was proven correct.
Not just Germany but the Lithuanian team also defeated Team USA in the ongoing FIBA World Cup in Manila!😂
@@reedtv6963 not the highest level? then tell us whats the highest level then if it is not the Worlds best teams compete against each other?
And if you wanna point out "yada yada no Star Players yada yada..." thats not the problem of the Opponents as well... USA got rick rolled by Lithuania and kicked out of the semis from germany... if you think you dont need to play with ur A-Team... again... not our problem.
@@reedtv6963 Oh, i thought the NBA is where the best basketball players around the world come to play at the highest level? Tell me then how many NBA players were in the US roster, compare that number to those in the Lithuanian and German squads? The Lithuanians didnt had Sabonis in the lineup and the Germans only have Schroeder as their best player so dont bring that A to F team nonsense.
@@reedtv6963 the world championship defines the best national representation in the world. If your coach fields players who in your opinion are not the best, it's your problem alone. How should this be your opponents' problem? Then what does the Olympics have to do with it? the Olympics are about competing for medals, it's something else.
@@reedtv6963 All i see (and i love it) are whiny US Fans who cannot accept reality - cannot accept the fact they are not in the finals and are beaten by a european team... Boo hoo you Sir or Madam or whatever you guys behind the big Ocean are always identify themselfes these days xD
Keep looking back in ur past achievements while guys like me enjoy the present.
to end this im gonna quote someone you might know :" ... World Champion of what?"
Hahahaha
Messi took 19 years to win the World Cup.
Little he knew that every champions ship he won in his career is a world championship by these commentators logic.
My man is 42 times world champion 🔥🔥🔥
I'm telling you bruh that's not making sense those Americans commentators are into something , how tf they're calling the champion of their league , world champion and what about those internationals competition
? hahaha
Exactly
In basketball there’s a huge gap in talent. In a perfect world it would be 12 of the best players in the NBA going against highschool-D1 level athletes lol. I’d love to see an exhibition but it’s honestly pointless
@@jerseydevil1college teams win national championships they don’t call themselves world champions they call themselves national champions
@@jerseydevil1Even Muaythai champion in Thailand itself, never called them self “word champion” LOL, every sport doesn’t use stupid American logic like NBA.
The US Basketball team has been eliminated by Germany, which actually confirms what Noah was saying
I bet in Germany +10 so i win hahaha good luck Germany from phillipines 😅
Followed up by Canada
Dirk Nowitzki who is from Germany played in the NBA 😂
Not really, the USA FIBA team had Hart, Bridges, and Portis Jr for christsake. Bunch of D league players for the NBA. If you honestly think any FIBA team in the entire world can beat the reigning NBA champ the 2023 Nuggets in a 7 game series you're utterly delusional.
@@kkiller1438why don't those A league players plays for USA in FIBA World Cup?
From the way I see it, they are just simply unpatriotic. No pride to represent the country at all. They are patriotic when it matters to them; money.
They just made Noah's point clearer 😂
How so ? I saw Usain win and noah is mid next to him... But he calls himself a world champ innit ?
he should just focus on that record before injury imho
@@grostoss4259Usain retired many years ago
No they didn’t
How? The team that wins the NBA finals is the best team in the entire world. The NBA is a global league. It's not actually just an American League.
Noah Lyles is spot on. Every American AND pretty much every soccer league in the world pulls players from all over the world just as the NBA does. I don't see us calling the Premier League champion "World Champs"
even top scorer in EPL isn't even English
stole the words right from my mouth. you are 100 percent right
The concentration of world talent/competition is much more saturated in the NBA than it is for professional soccer. The next best professional basketball league is nowhere close in class like it is in top level soccer leagues.
I’d make the argument that the NBA is basically the UEFA Champions League and the respective winner of those are the defacto “World Champions”
@@SizzleMan23basically you’re saying since NBA has the best players and teams, they’re world champs? That’s absurd and poor logic
By your logic, the champions league winners can call themselves world champion since they win the biggest Club competition in sports history, the champions league where the best European teams compete for each year? By your logic, since the biggest talents and competition is in the Champions league just like in the NBA, they get free pass to call themselves world champions? Ridiculous.
NBA stands for National Basketball Association, not World Basketball Association.
@@SizzleMan23 it can be defacto “World Champions” nobody is arguing that - but there is no need to call it World - when you say NBA champions is enough.
Just accept the fact, that he is absolutely right. World Champion is always a country - never a club from a certain league out of one country.
Who defines what a world champion is? World champion simply means best in the world. Take that as you will.
@@tobi-ingWhen did any NBA team play against an international Team?
@@jensmuller3561 I’m asking, who decided that we had to group the world by countries to determine who’s best? Why do you assume that’s the only method?
@@tobi-ing How do you know that an NBA team is better than any other non-NBA team? If there is no competition to sort it out it's just guessing. The NBA champion is the champion of America, that's it.
@@jensmuller3561 No it’s not, the NBA champion is not the champion of America, the finals mvp isn’t even American and the mvps from the last half a decade have all been non American. Y’all are just Bent of seeing it your way. Everything doesn’t work like soccer.
The Premier League in England and La Liga in Spain have the very best football (soccer) players in the world, yet they don't proclaim their yearly champion teams to be "world champions", thats just absurd.
It's called the National Basketball Association, not the International Basketball Association. Winning the FIBA World Cup or Olympic gold gives a team far more of a right to call themselves world champions than an NBA title even if the best players in the world play in the NBA. No European soccer team calls themselves world champions when they win the European Cup even though all the best soccer teams play there, that status is only afforded to the winners of the World Cup
When truth and facts shake hands. Excellent comment.
Rigth now Argentina is world Champion of football soccer but their nacional soccer league is not a as good as is ueropean leagues.
Football does have a club world cup it's in December 2023. Winners of the Champions League usually play the winner of the Copa Libertadores. Teams from Africa, Asia, Oceania also compete. But it's mostly a European team vs a team from Brazil or Argentina in the final. Last winners were Real Madrid. The winners have a badge on their shirt for the year.
Manu Ginobili took the souls of team america.
Beautifully said my friend.
The arrogance of my country and countrymen have no bounds haha. This kid is absolutely correct, the fact the 4 major sports leagues (NBA, NFL, MLB, & NHL (not sure haha)) have the nerve to call themselves world champions and play nobody outside of the United States or Canada until the Olympics.
Exactly!!!!
So basically they aren't world champions until the Olympics? And then their world champs?
We'll stop calling them world champs when Europeans stop acting like the second tower was hit
Trolls all over the world haha@@jonesim33
Trolls all over the world haha@@hobartbraun5363
So...if Manchester City win the Premier League, are they World Champion? Weird and confused guys at ESPN
these american people so dumb, they cant define the meaning of world champion
This didn't age well; the USA team just lost against Germany in the FIBA World Cup Semifinals. I'm not sure the NBA is the best league anymore.
the best league probably, but not the world champions
Leage with most money and talent? Yes! But if u look deeper than league is ruled by international players last 4-5 years. Gianis, Luka, KP, CAT, Jokic, Muray, Embiid ect! These are the brightest stars nr! (Except Steph,Durant, Lebron, Tatum and Booker - they are stars too) but majority of talent is international!
@@justfipall of the best players in the world come to the US to play, therefore whatever team wins the nba finals is the best team in the world.
Keep your head up Noah Lyles. Absolutely correct. The loudest voices are not always right.
But he was loud lol 😂 y'all say anything online
@@DadBot-_- stephen a smith was louder and was yapping nonsense
@@ohven29232 comments on espn, you obviously dont know stephen a lil bro 😂 go back to watching soccer and jerking yourself off with ronaldo highlights
It's sad how even showing the slightest bit of humility is considered "controversial" in the shithole that is the US. That man would get massive support if he was literally anywhere else in the world lol.
World champs make thousands and local champs make millions I lol take the local champ
The amount of confidence Stephen A has in talking absolute bollocks is unreal
True😂
😂😂😂
He seems to think the louder he talks i mean shout the more valid his point is!!! I don't know how you put up with the mushroom head c"nt and his voice is annoying!!!
He get paid from NBA managers to underrate World Cup of FIBA
STUPIDITY AT ITS BEST. I WOULD HAVE BEEN ASHAMED OF MYSELF.
I think they don't get the difference between calling yourself "Best Team in the World" and calling yourself "World Champion". In 2012 Corinthians won the Fifa Club World Cup final against Chelsea making them Club World Champion. They were not the best club in the world back then. But they earned the titel of "World Champions".
As a Corinthians supporter i agree
This aged like fine wine 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Fine whine of what? Of united states? 😂
He was right. We've been saying this privately for years.
Stephen A. is probably right when he says that international players come to the NBA to play at the most difficult level of basketball. However, these international players are not representing their countries; they are representing the states that pay them salaries. Therefore, they are not world champions; only the states in America, plus one from Canada, are competing in the NBA
Plus, it’s only been international for, what, 10 years. What about the 80’s & 90’s
Europe has the best soccer leagues but Argentina is for the time been the soccer world Champion.
It's just like EPL in England winners are called English Premier league winners and it had so many people from all parts of the world and the best league in the World. Does that make them the world lol 😂
But you have Jokic, Doncic...they say it is more difficult in Europe
NBA is just money. Try to watch/follow Euroleague and I'm sure you will find that it is much more interesting game, passion
@@jarinxcii263facts👍
Truly incredible that people can even be arguing against the point Noah made…ironically they are even calling him ignorant. Incredible!!! .
💯
Because he is ignorant, the NBA is represented by people from All around the world 🌎!
Cause he cringe and dude said I love the usa at times but is representing them
@@Jamesjenkis-jh8jwSo is the champions league (by far a better league) they call themselves European champions not World champions
@@Jamesjenkis-jh8jw So is the Barclays English Premier League, but Manchester City are just the champions of England when they win the EPL.
And USA was defeat by Germany in FIBA World Championship 10 days later.
His word's became true after USA elimination 😂
It is hilarious how Stephen A is spewing nonsense with confidence and pride 😂😂😂
thought the same ^^
I know right! He’s a straight 🤡
it’s simple. NBA pick up the BEST players around the world to compete. Imagine one player representing his country like Jokic playing against Steph curry, lebron, Damian L, Kevin Durant, Davis. You think Jokic or any other foreign player can take that? I don’t think so. World champs is very simple if you smart. If you ain’t, then you just dumb 😆
name one team in the world that could beat the nuggets in a 7 game series. you can’t, so the nuggets are the world champions
He failed big time here and it was depressing..if that's the case The English Premier League should crown their champions as World Champions.
To me, the NBA represents individual cities and the track team with Lyles represents the entire country on a world stage.
Nobody cares about track
@@im4rmapple NBA still is not a world championship though🤣🤣🤣
@@robinsonphiri6303 but the Olympics are
@@robinsonphiri6303 Tell me who would beat them to take that crown then?
so does every single league around the world
the stupidity of these ESPN presenters are wild
In 2010, the Lakers, who were NBA champions, played Barcelona, who were EuroLeague champions. And Barcelona won that game. So yes, there are teams outside of the NBA that can beat the NBA champion. Surely the NBA champion will win 19 out of 20 games against the EuroLeague champion, but you can never tell if it is not played.
Yeah, the beauty of the sport is you can't assume the best player/team would be champions every year..
i like the fact that Noah called them out after winning three gold medals at the world championship, have you noticed none of them have been able to criticize Noah Lyles's accomplishment
Why would they. Im pretty sure they dont gaf about track. Just as he shouldn't about the NBA.
Because he started it by being petty and trying to create something out of nothing.
@@JohnSmith-jv3kl he was humble before winning gold...now not anymore. He deserves that.
Love the way he said "World champion of what? The United States" 🤣
The National Champions 😂
Facts
@@Brandon-bw720 NBA Champion Vs the world? Who can defeat them in a series?
Bro really got people triggered Lmao
@@Nicyourmomthe best teams in the NBA still lose against teams they are not supposed to lose to. It happens every season.
If the NBA champions want the title of World champions, they should organise a competition like in soccer where they have the FIFA Club world Cup, for teams who win their individual continents most prestigious Cup competitions like the champions league
I think it is amazing how knowledgeable,intelligent these young athletes are and I stand corrected with the least as well.
And he was right the whole time lmfao. Noah owns the NBA and made them look silly
The difference is you aren’t competing with different teams from around the world. Even if there are basketball teams all over the league when do they play against anyone. Noah Lyles was spot on with this one. From Stephen A’s point then the Premier league winners are world champions, it’s the best league in the world and draws players from all over the world. I’ve been to America and seen bars dedicated to premier league teams. I’m from England the average person doesn’t know who Kevin Durrant is!
Premier League is the equivalent of nba in football, however when was the last time England won the World Cup? More than 60 years ago. Let that sink in.
@@theterrobear2716irrelevant point to make
premier league is just big in revenue, but quality wise, they can still be challenged by La Liga or Seria A. is their any basketball league in the world that can challenge the quality of NBA though?
The English Premier league and the England football team aren’t the same. True the national team hasn’t won anything since 1966 but that’s because football is played competitively around the world. And you play for whatever country you are born in. Basketball isn’t played competitively around the world so of course US would dominate at the Olympics. And the NBA isn’t equivalent, Premier league wasn’t always on top, La Liga was in the early 00’ and Serie A was in the 90’s, US basketball has always been on top. Quick side note basketball was created in the UK….. you are welcome 😂
The Euroleague could not only challenge, but probably beat the NBA. It would be a real spectacle to see the champions of nba take on the champios of euroleague each year to battle for supremacy over the 2 continents, however, I repeat: A world championship is represented by a national team, in european football, it is most common that the best players of a national team play club level in different countries, take for example Croatia, who has the 11 best players in last 2 competitions play in western countries.@@timdane6132
Seeing all the players break down over this and other people trying to prove him wrong makes this all the more hilarious. “One could easily argue that NBA players compete international competition than he does” “1/3 of the NBA are intentional players”. The NBA is international yes, but it isn’t an international sport, that’s quite literally a fact. People are only arguing against it for the sake of integrity and pride.
He is by definition factually correct.
There’s an alarming difference from winning a domestic competition than winning an international competition aswell. In one you’re competing against the best players in your domestic range thus the bar of competition being arguably lower considering the sport, the other you’re seeing the best of the best in the intire world, imagine if Mike Phelps accomplishments were just domestic.
An analogy would be if someone set an American world record and claimed it to be the world record.
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@@user-zy9qg2eq1hin football all the best players go to Europe 🤦♂️THE UEFA champions league winners are called European champions ..
@@owenmokganedi8405 Yes but the winners of the UEFA Champions league go onto participate in the FIFA Club World Cup against the top clubs from other continents around the world, with the opportunity to become Champions of the World.
It's incredible that someone as exposed and educated as Stephen A. Smith needed someone else to tell him that the Lakers, Warriors or Spurs are not world champions. Someone needs to tell SAS that the English Premiership is way more global than the NBA...but Man United never claimed they were world champs. Americans must really live in a bubble. The truth is that the NBA has been calling their teams world champs at least as far as the 1908s. This is so embarrassing. The best league doesn't mean its a world championship. World Championship means that you are representing your country against other countries.
This aged well
Based on Stephen A's analogy, the winner of the English premier league or other National leagues who all have foreign players, should also be referred to as world champions. Noah Lyles is spot on!
Based on his analogy, even MLS winners can call themselves world champions
@@MrFattarot😂😂😂😂MLS takes players from around the world ...gosh and they swear that if you not playing in the NBA that means you not a good player
So how many times has Messi played in the English Premier League? Oh ok, so it’s not like the NBA
Stephen A is a clown
@@Brandon-bw720100%
Noah Lyles is the only one who is not comming off as ignorant. Everyone defending the NBA and other US leagues are the ones who are completely ignorant about what a World Championship is.
Noah is an amazing track runner and great athlete. Although coming for the NBA who been around for decades ain’t right. The NBA players do go overseas to Olympics it’s only four years tho. Agree with Stephen A Smith, Noah need to focus on his moment.
@@hopeh1095 NBA players also compete for the US National Team in the FIBA Basketball World Cup which is also held every 4 years. That's where the World Champions are crowned.
And Noah Lyles has every right to call out the folly of people in the NBA calling their winners World Champions. They should just take the criticism for what it is and stop being foolish and move on.
The NBA mirrors the Olympics or the World Championships because The best of the best come there to compete. To prove you are the best in basketball you have to play in the NBA. There is no way around it. To prove you’re the fastest you must compete in Olympics or World championships.
Lyles is the fastest man in the world currently. If someone is faster than he is, they would have been at the World Championships proving it not at some random track meet.
Jokic is the best basketball player in the world. Why? The best players in the world play in the NBA. If he’s not, then whoever that player is 100% plays in the NBA.
Football is different since it’s an American sport. I don’t think they even play football in other countries (idk). But the also call it the Super Bowl.
They play basketball and baseball all over though. In MLB, like NBA, the best players from all over the world converge on the MLB.
@@HeWhoR3mains Basketball is not an individual sport. It is teams competing. And only US teams and 1 Canadian team are allowed in the NBA. Olympics and World Championships are contested nation against nation, not US city vs another US city. Basketball already has both an Olympic tournament and an official world championships sanctioned by FIBA the International Basketball Federation. The NBA is neither. The NBA is merely a domestic league that is not open to any other teams that US and 1 canadian team and no national teams at all.
This is not a hard concept. This is how World Champoinships works in every sport on the planet and has done so for over 100 years most of the time. The NBA or any other domestic US league has no right to declare themselves a world championship.
And arrogant.
So winners of the premier league are premier league world champions!😂
Fiba got his back
The first time EVER Molly was the smartest at the table and she knew it 😂😂😂
uhm.. she was just stating Lyle's point at first which is spot on. but then she agrees with SAS which is why she is blunt too!
dont praise that stupidbych
They could loose their jobs if they say it otherwise hahaha @@aznhandles
As a British fan of basketball for over 30 years, I'm so happy an American finally said this.
You're not a world champion until you beat the world
Arguing semantics. No team outside the NBA is beating any of the NBA champs. Does Curry have to beat me in a free throw shooting contest to be the best shooter?
This is a stupid comment. You think any team gonna beat an nba team? Basically who wins the nba automatically wins the world cause who’s gonna stop the Denver nuggets outside the nba?
@@jaden5843 that maybe true, but it's still not factual to call a national champ a world champ.
Besides, the NBA is the only league in the world with this boring 7 game series format (to my knowledge), meaning the majority of the time, the most stacked team is guaranteed to win and a upset is highly unlikely. Hence why you have the superteam problem now, (which Adam Silver is struggling to control!)
Personally, I tend to ignore NBA playoffs until a series enters the elimination game phase.
Put NBA teams against some international teams in a 2 game series or a one-and-done knockout competition (like in soccer, NFL superbowl or NCAA march madness etc) and you may see a non NBA team prevail!?
@@Johenz Denver's best player isn't even American so how can u be world champs when you have overseas players on your team?
You are correct, it's not about who or which team can beat a NBA player or team. Is the NBA a international competition ? Yes or no? Is the Olympics a international competition ? So in the Olympics yes, but NBA no. The worlds track & field is a international competition, so Noah is correct. The English premier League is not a international competition, but the world cup is..Ppl just in there feelings ..
Just like in the Bible. Noah had the last laugh.
😂😂😂
Who’s here after they lost to Germany
Noah is a true World champion!!!
The Premier League has players from a hundred different countries, but you don’t hear them saying “World Champions.” Stephen A lost his mind on this one.
When did he have a mind. He is a pathetic sports commentator who is so ignorant that he thinks he has similar number of followers as Messi on insta.
That's not the point ALL professional sports teams the world over have players from around the world.
You have to play THE REST OF THE WORLD to be world champions of the top sports soccer, basketball , tennis and crikey the USA would probably be the best at basketball
@@user-zi1kr4kd1vthat’s exactly the point
Because who is the host country of the premier league? Would that host country with all their best players dominate the world? No they can’t compared to the nba. When the best of the best go to the nba to compete and win it all then that means it’s the best basketball team in the world when they win it.
They don't but they are completely within their rights to call themselves world champions. If you're the best team of the best league of whatever sport you're playing in that everyone in the world aims to join, then that should validate people being the basketball/baseball/fútbol champions of the world
4:48 They come the NBA because 1)it pays millions 2)its a staple
He’s actually right he’s representing on a world stage
He’s 100% correct. The Premiere League and La Liga are the most internationally diverse in terms of players. Man City and Real Madrid don’t call themselves “world champions.”
The NBA has the best players from all over the world, so what are you talking about?
unless there's a competition with other winners of leagues around the world, they still aren't world champions. At most North American champions.
NBA doesn’t call themselves World Champions
They call themselves NBA champions
Do Jokic have and issue with it I mean Gordon called him out and he in serbia with Jokic
@@Arjr72it’s literally written World Champions on the rings.
Stephen A's ignorance is as great as his confidence
The FIBA WC is a joke!! 😂 The NBA has every top player in the world competing for an NBA championship. The same is said for FIFA WC. Every top player in the world competing for the world cup. The same CANNOT be said about the FIBA WC. How can you be world champs when you haven't competed against the best in the world?? 😂 there was NO Jokic, NO Giannis, NO Wembanyama!! NONE of the top American players either!!!😭 NO Steph, NO Lebron, NO KD, NO Embiid, NO Tatum, NO Booker, NO Lillard, NO AD, NO Jimmy B, NO Kawhi! The FIBA WC is an absolute joke lmfao. NONE of the players on team USA in FIBA WC would even make the cut of team USA for the Olympics if all the best Americans played 🥹😂 Anthony Edwards would be the only one close and he probably STILL wouldn't make the cut LMAO
@@diwaltersp
in football(soccer), England has the best league and best team
And what??, England haven't won the world cup in 40 years after winning once and they are better because the team that wins the league doesn't call themselves world champions
I swear to you. In decades I haven’t even agreed once with him.
Noah is so Right. He didn’t throw shade, she spoke the truth. It’s pretty easy to understand. How can someone be butthurt about that?
Lmao Add Germany to the list of Countries that cooked team usa the last 20 years and sent them home.
Lithuania
Greece
Argentina
Germany
Noah Lyles is absolutely right, and I'm an American and a fan of the NBA.
How is he right?
@@clamar3238it's a US tournament that happens to have the best players in different countries, which there is no denying. There are no other clubs from other countries competing.
World champion would be like a Olympic tournament. He is correct, how ever we say world champs but nobody losing any sleep.
He said what everyone, and I mean everyone else in the world is thinking.
Then your just as retarded as he is. IT LITERALLY HAS MORE COUNTRIES REPRESENTED THAN TRACK AND FIELD! Thank u for letting us know your not too bright.
Thanks Champ Noah for saying the truth and bring NBA players down on earth.
@6hibaultboyom5501 it's funny how u left off baseball!But u know why u cherry picked BB just admit it next time.
Peace. Noah Lyles, as when words, pertaining to ANY FORMATION OF A SENTENCE, regarding, 'WHAT' the sentence is saying describing, and of course, "CONTEXT"...HE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
1. Apparently, and respectfully to Steve A., whether not "INTIALLY" being mindful of using "EXEGESIS" , the word...WORD, is defined within mostly defined, with most WORLD-wide countries is................................. ........
A. WORLD-the earth, together with all of its countries, peoples, and natural features.
2. Also, and apparently, Steven did not INITIALLY USE EXEGESIS, upon the sport acronym of those three letters DESCRIBING the NBA...which is..........."THE WORD........(NATIONAL), which within every continent, and country, is accepted to mean.............................................................................................................................................................
a. NATIONAL-relating to a NATION itself
3. Steven A. stated the name (Nikola Jokić), of the DENVER(which is a city in the U.S..a nation), as to WHAT, AND HOW him being from (Sombor, Serbia), a CITY, within a NATION, OTHER THEN THE..............UNITES STATES...which is ANOTHER INTERCONTINETAL NATION OF ITSELF... How does THE JOKER even correlate with THE SPECIF CONTEXT OF THE statement from brotha Noah Lyes...PERTAINING TO "WORLD",, he should have capture the CONTEXT FIRST..."THE WORD..WORLD...NOT A SPECIFIC, PLAYER FOR ANOTHER "NATION"..
4. Finally, The only time that the usa competes in GLOBAL Basketball competition. ON A PURE...............ON THE TOTALITY, KEY WORD, TOTALITY, not the PAN-AM GAMES, FIFA, etc...IS THE "OLYMPICS", greater inclusivity of the NATIONS FROM AROUND, AROUND, NOT THE "WORLD", in sporting competition...
I'd respectfully luv for Kevin Durant to..LAY OUT HIS....SOMEONE HELP THIS BROTHA, easy out statements, versus, laying out you position also, brotha Kev, on your point, not just an initial perspective, but define your statment... Great detailed statement Noah... Be Blessed.
it’s simple. NBA pick up the BEST players around the world to compete. Imagine one player representing his country like Jokic playing against Steph curry, lebron, Damian L, Kevin Durant, Davis. You think Jokic or any other foreign player can take that? I don’t think so. World champs is very simple if you smart. If you ain’t, then you just dumb 😆
Who can be the best nba team outside this country 🤔
@@stevenburkes153please hide your thoughts. Stop showing the world how the average US citizen is a dimwit.
How ironic it is to see Stephen A. Smith and the NBA players arguing for their point with confidence.... just to see a Team USA roster filled with NBA players lose to a Lithuanian team with ONE NBA player
And then against Germany as well and they definitely won't be world champions. How could there be a more epic end to this debate...
The basic difference is that in the NBA the numerous foreign players are mixed with American players, they are not competing for their own country, isn't that obvious??
Exactly
He actually makes a totally good point. He’s not dissing their achievements, but I feel the same way with baseball having the “World” Series- it’s just the US and Toronto!
It’s not even the whole continent that is America
U guys don’t watch these sports then lmfao. The MLB is filled with people from Mexico, Cuba, DR, PR, THE MLB MVP IS FROM JAPAN. THE 2022-2023 MVP OF THE NBA IS from cameroon. y’all are delusional people it’s sad.
@@jakesnake6842 That doesn't matter bro. The fact that they scout internationally might be a hint that the US tallent aint sufficient. The NBA money is too good to reject hence the diversity. The point is, let each player represent their country in a world cup and have America win, then and only then will the USA be world champions. Right now the world champs in basketball is Spain. If USA wins this world cup, they'll be world chaps. Easy
English premier league has the best diverse international tallents like Halaand and Sala, but hasn't been the world champs since 1966.
And actually the new national World Cup champion of baseball is Japan.
@@jakesnake6842 The point is that to call yourself world champion you need to face the best teams outside of your nation. It's a technicality but that's why the champions league winners play teams from all over the world in the club world championships
Huge basketball guy here who is also American - and Noah is spot on. World Championships are for international competitions. If Durant and other dudes wanted a world championship he should have suited up with Team USA this summer
NBA is not just American players. It is also made of the best international players. Jokic and Luka are the best international players in the world. Luka dominated Euro league as a teenager. They currently play in the NBA. Even Dennis Schroeder, who spearheads Germany's basketball, he is an NBA player.
@@dr.rickbooty So what? you also have Americans and many other nations playing in Europe, that doesn't mean you are World champion if you win Euroleague...
It's not only that. Football/soccer is a good example, UEFA champions league is a competition involving all the best European teams and it is the best football competition in the World similar to how NBA is when it comes to basketball but the champion of champions league is the champion of Europe, to be the champion of the World champion of Europe must beat other continental champions in club world cup. And to clarify these are club competitions, meaning they aren't national team tournaments, so to translate it to the NBA, if the NBA champions were to play against champions from other continents they could be World champions(without playing for the team USA)...
@@draganmarkovic491 Soccer is not a real sport. Inferior teams can park the bus all match and do nothing but defend. And one penalty dive can decide a match. Look at the World Cup. Argentina was gifted dodgy pens all tournament. Please, let's keep this discussion to real sports where you have to actually be good to win.
Not a real sport that is way more popular than basketball. What a take lmao.@@dr.rickbooty
Came here after USA which is the NBA held on and claim their champions as world champions got defeated by Germany in FIBA world cup
This aged like a good wine.
When Jokic won the NBA championship even though he is an international player he was still representing Denver in the United States. Saying there is international players doesn’t change that it is within the United States no matter the NBA champions. The NBA can be 100% international and it will still be the US winning the championship
That's the point that they don't understand because of their ego. Denver in USA is an NBA Champion not World Champion. Though the players are best of the best but it can't deny the fact that it's a Canada and American league 🤷
The USA team winning a gold medal is way easier than winning an NBA championship. Just ask Charles Barkley, Carmelo, Chris Paul, Westbrook, Harden, etc. And as soon as you can name a team in the world that would’ve beat the Nuggets in a 7 game series, then we can continue this conversation
@@oceanbrown9113 Then how about for all those years that the West was far above the East, why not just crown the Western Champion as the World Champion without even having a Finals? That's the same as your logic and line of thinking.
@@oceanbrown9113 we can continue the conversation as long as you understand the word "World Champion" 😂
NBA has some reasonable claims for world champion title, on the other hand Baseball should stop calling the MLB winners "world champions", especially when Japan already showed that US is not the sole hegemon in that game.
As intelligent as Steven a is, I really did not expect such ignorance out of his mouth and with such confidence
well, intelligent…entertaining maybe…
I expected it😅
I did. It’s intriguing he’s a sports professional at debate and yet couldn’t come up with a salient counterpoint. Kind’ve exposed himself 😂😂
stephen A even said sorry to noah lyles after😂
@@will__gz3096 Great comment... Steven A had to apologize, because he was the ignorant person after making a comment like that about Noah Lyles! He misconstrued what Noah was saying completely, because he thought about it and knew Noah was right. Just because the NBA seeks athletes from other countries to play on their teams doesn't mean they are all World. It just means they want a competitive team that will help them win championships in the USA. What Noah was saying is, the NBA needs to play all American athletes on their teams and then play against other countries! And that's it. Kevin Durant knows Noah was right too, after he sat down later that day and realized what Noah was saying!
This aged well, Germans are laughing at you
this aged nicely
I'm both an NBA and Futbol fan. I've never ever heard Premier League and La Liga champions call themselves "World Champions" yet I would argue those leagues are far more diverse then the NBA.
Annnd? There are more reasons than just was SAS outlined. I would've went more into how much better the nba talent is compared to everywhere else, how much the u.s has won despite sending 3rd tier talent etc. 😂
Cap
@@IBlackSantaat the end of the day they aren’t world champions doesn’t matter how you put it it’s a league in the US the debate is over before it started when the NBA stands for NATIONAL
If there were no countries but 8 billion people still on earth the NBA finals would be the world championship between the very best players.
exactly what i was about to comment. I love both NBA and futbol as well. using SAS's argument there are more elite international players than english in the prem (which is regarded to most as the best in the world) yet they dont call themselves world champions. The nfl as well call themselves world champions yet the sport itself isnt even popular around the world and very few international players play in the league.
He said it himself “National Basketball Association “😂
Right, they should make some changes on the league and call it World Basketball Association if they want to be taken seriously 😂
For anyone wondering, this ESPN video has 5k likes to 15k dislike ratio. 🤣
Prime example of American narcissism and bias.
I am American… and I disagreed (at the time of this clip) with Smith’s BS. As you know, afterwards, Smith apologized.
Noah lyles is 💯
The man spitting facts
Legitimate facts
It seems money is more important than a flag.
"World champions of what"(i love it)😂
Max Kellerman would have ate this topic up arguing how Lyles is right, but Stephen A would have told him "this is why I can't talk basketball with you" .
Never take Stephen A seriously. He’s only there for entertainment purposes.
He's right. There's no way jokic would ever say he's a world champion. He's a serbian who plays with a mostly american roster, represents an american city and plays for an american owner. Being a world champion is wearing your nations colours, singing your national anthem, representing and winning with your fellow countrymen.
How can a franchise team be pronounced World Champion? 🤔
Greg Popovich said back in 2010. "It doesn’t make sense for an NBA team to call themselves world champions. I don’t remember anybody playing anybody outside our borders to get that tag. Isn’t that true? I keep waiting for somebody to tell me I’ve missed something."
Major League Baseball's domestic championship being called the "World Series" is even more hilarious.
At least the Little League World Series is international.
But he specifically went after predominantly Black leagues. MLB...World Series....But he conveniently did not criticize the predominantly white MLB
@earlgray9794 it wasn't a race thing lol chil...
😂😂😂😂
@@earlgray9794oh god. Here’s the race card again
Lyles spoke facts don't know why people are in their feels
Notice how non US NBA players are all quite on this one.
I can't wait for NBA to be 50% filled with players from other nations.
By picking the Olympic gold medal Mollys question just proved Noahs point lol
He is 100% correct. The entire world thinks the same. Same for Baseball. Well done Noah. Stephen A. Chatting BS.
always
Premier League is something like 80% foreign countries, and it is the best league… but even if they win the Champion’s league, they don’t saying “World Champions.” So arrogant of the US.
this is how much the U.S is always on their mind.
@@wesroberts1983”Champions of Europe”
Team USA dominates is basketball
This aged perfectly as USA gets ousted in FIBA WC 2023.
I cannot believe Steohen A. Smith is actually making this argument.
Stephen A literally said nothing and just made Noah Lyles point make even more sense😭☠️
They're both missing Noah's point entirely. I thought Molly was about to save the day with her clarification. Stephen A. said he understood, but his comments imply otherwise, something I never thought I'd see. Even the international players aren't truly representing their own country when they compete for a Championship. How could they without their country's flag on their chest, just as Noah said?
i feel like for those who r against what noah said they dont realize that for him in his sport he actually has to run against the best sprinters in the world so to see a basketball team win the nba title and call themselves the world champs is a big slap in the face to basically anybody who actually competes against the world for a living
This aged like fine wine
He's not wrong. The World Champions are whoever wins the FIBA World Cup. That doesn't automatically mean it's more competitive than the NBA. The NBA Champion is simply the NATIONAL Basketball Association Champion, and is much more valuable for an American player it seems, and there's no shame in that.
Exactly, it's just Americans trying to over play their value as usual
@@clemz9013it’s less of over playing value and more of the NBA is the best basketball league in the world. 😂
The best play in the NBA, Even other basketball leagues know the NBA is King. The NBA champs are the World Champs. No American would claim the MLS champs, world champs😂
@@DankScole again the logic doesn't hold weight. The winner of English Premier League, isn't called World Champions, they're called English Champions, the same as La Liga, Serie A etc. You'll just mad because someone pointed out how absurd it is for the champions of a North American country to call themselves the champions of the world in a given sport.
@@clemz9013I guess baseball and its "world series" trying to do the same right?
No, he didn't come as ignorant, Noah Lyles is absolutely correct. And also the reason that international players come to the NBA is because they pay more.
No it’s because it’s the best league in the world for basketball that includes players, pay, staff, facilities.
There’s plenty of nba players that our from all over the world that’s da world champions
@ashtongray5811 I didn't know the NBA finals were the United States Nuggets against the Spain Heat.
That and all the best players are in the NBA
It’s just how Europe is king of soccer/football every soccer player wishes to play in the Europe that where the best of the best play and the same is with NBA every person who’s ever touch a basketball knows about NBA don’t matter what country they’re in
This aged so well
The Stanley cup champions don't call themselves world champions.
You become a world champion by winning world championships.... winning a national championship makes you a national champion.
Period.
Exactly!
Being the best team of the best professional basketball league in the world that everyone is aiming to join should qualify for being the champions of the world lol
@@pinheadlarry3992 no, just no.
When you're beating the BEST PLAYERS in the world all over the world u are world champs 🤷🏿♂️
Looks like Noah hurt some feelings in the NBA. 😂 He's not wrong.
So because people made a comment on someone's statement that means that person had their feelings hurt? So that would mean you're also in your feelings because you commented on this video. 🤣🤣🤣
Nah he literally said its hurts his feeling so who's hurt ? he just bitter coz nba players paid 100x better than him +sponsors
What a waste of time. Ok then, let’s have it nuggets vs Shanghai Sharks…
He is wrong, and your ignorant too 😂
He’s right, I feel so embarrassed to be American rn because we looking so stupid
The difference between calling the NBA Champion the best Basketball Team of the world or world Champion is as clear as simple: RESPECT
I think what Noah Lyles is saying is that it can never be a World Championship since no team representing a nation is competing, and it is just certain number of players from different nations not collectively playing with their respective country.
It does not matter if players in the NBA are from everywhere. It does not matter if 90% of NBA teams would win against any other non-NBA team. If you do not have an international competition you cannot call yourself "world champion". The only anthems played before the games are US and Canada anthems. No one is saying the the winner of the NBA finals would not win in a 7-games series against any other team in the world. But until that happens, you cannot be called "world champion".
The best of the best players from all over the world come to play in the NBA to see who is the best in the world
yeah so? All other sports do the same. There is a rush to go to where they pay the most. Matteo is correct without a competition, you can't claim to be the world champion.
this logic is hilarious. if the nba added an expansion team in say china, who do you think is filling the roster? nobody from the CBA thats for sure, itd just be a team taking from that pool of the best players in the world. But somehow thatd make calling it a world championship "more valid" LOL
In the context of being the best team in the “world”. The team that wins a chip is rightfully the world champion of their respective year. It’s about being the best assembled team amongst the most competitive player pool. Idk how people don’t get this.
@@babasolaosikoya5947 other foreign leagues DO NOT have the BEST players in their leagues. NOT EVEN CLOSE. If i open up a grocery store and say , " Its the BEST GROCERY STORE IN THE WORLD" and people from ALL OVER the world come to shop at it and agree its the best, it doesn't matter where my grocery store is located, its still THE BEST IN THE WORLD.
Noah is stating the obvious and it’s going viral 😂
It’s the ‘National’ Basketball Association. If you want it to be a world championship rename it the ‘ World Basketball Association’
You need a world champion to talk about world champions
Bro knew exactly what he was doing lol. Now he's going to earn himself some more TV time 💰
Lol he had to downplay his own country to get clicks tho.. best believe when he fall off people gone be on his head 😂
@@Imtheheman321how did he downplay his country? Man told no lies
Ok. Let's say you get the champions from around the world to play the Denver Nuggets. Who wins?
Come on.
Exactly
@@Imtheheman321facts
I don't think SAS even believes what he is saying 😂😂😂
"NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION" LMFAO
At first it goes over "their" head but when they sit and think about it then "they" realise how ignorant "they" have been. Shout-out to Noah Tho🎉
Even if you disagree with Noah, he has now won the hearts and the support of entire world, and now has the world on his side. More.people on planet earth agrees with him than not!!! Like it or not!!!
Ive always said what Noah Lyles said. The fact they didn't have anyone on to check them is crazy.
Americans!!
It is the BEST PLAYERS in the world 🤷🏿♂️
@@genosmith-cb6vq that does not make the winner of that league World Champions...you can't claim a title you have to earn it but competing against the World its self...e.g the FIFA World Cup
@@genosmith-cb6vq Americans called themselves World Champions before international players were allowed to join
@@bna919I love how this is overlooked in this debate. It wasn’t that long ago that international players were looked down on in the league and they still called it world championship at that point too.
This aged well! What does iconic brand have to do with the fact that USA can be in best case scenario third in Fiba world cup for the 2023.
But here's a fact it's call National basketball Association not International Basketball Association