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- Do you need planning permission to site a static caravan?
Do you need planning permission to live in a caravan on agricultural land?
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Hi folks, so let me introduce ourselves, myself and Heather Nimmo live on our 8.5 acre off grid smallholding outside Portpatrick in Southwest Scotland.
Heather purchased the property in August 2011, 10 years ago as a derelict plot of scrub and trees with a small yard and some tumbled down stables.
Immediately a static caravan was sited on site and that’s where the story started. We follow so many stories and posts on Facebook of people saying it can’t be done, I’m not saying the journey has been easy but 10 years later we are here and happier than ever.
Just under a year ago we found out what CZcams was, and we’ve started doing weekly blogs charting our progress.
We are now building our forever home, a cabin/bothy, we’ve built 3 barns and next year we are going to build a roundwood pole barn.
We have no mains services, we produce our own power from solar, with a battery bank and backup generator, rainwater harvesting, this year we are upgrading our systems and you’ll be able to follow it on our channel.
We’d really appreciate it if everyone could subscribe to our CZcams channel, ring the bell for weekly notifications and like and share our videos. We also are on Facebook as “Lochnaw Smithy”
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Hi thanks for the great video. Myself and my son have a sale completing on Wednesday for 4.5acres of croftland on Skye. He is an agricultural engineer and has permitted development for a shed to store tractor and other equipment. He will be moving with his family onto the site in a static which has already been put on the land and living there while putting up the shed and will be applying for planning permission for a house in the future. Once he rebuilds his business in the new area.
I also want to apply for planning permission for a property for myself in the future, but in the meantime also need a static to live in. I am a dog trainer and want to use part of the land to put up a shed to use for holding training classes. Can I do this under permitted development? Or do I need to go down another route? Will this allow me to site a static also?
Thanks
@@debbieoreilly6514 my understanding is crofting is different and you can site 2 static caravans on a Croft without any other justification….
Hi, I have a friend who has not long bought a small farm with over 12 and a half acers. He has offered myself and some friends the use of one of his fields as a permaculture and food forest.
We've already built a small pallet wood composting toilet (4f by 5f by 8f high) and we intend to build a field shed for storing tools and a shelter from rain or any inclement weather.
It would have a 30foot by 10foot foot print, be 8foot high and we intend to have sloping sides and create a living roof from ground to roof and back to ground so it molds into the landscape as a small hillock.
As it wouldn't have any services and will never be a dwelling, do we need planning under permitted developement or any other sort of planning?
Apparently a neighbour has complained and asked the field owner if he has planning permission for structures that he fears will become permenant and has said he has reported my friend to the council.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated, thank you.
Ged
PS. It has previously only been used as a grazing field on rotation by a neighbouring farmer as it is steeply sloped.
@@gedsin2 anything you build under permitted development you need to submit a 28 day prior approval notice prior to starting work. If you’ve already built structures you would need to submit retrospective planning permission for those structures.
I’ve done a totally separate video about prior approval for agricultural buildings
@@gedsin2 czcams.com/video/er5vN3gNIqE/video.html
We are constantly told by the state that we live unsustainably but as soon as you try to live a truly sustainable existence they make it almost impossible. Their idea of sustainable is 24/7 surveillance and everyone stacked in urban concrete boxes.
Yes totally
It's all about the money, They need to charge and tax us and get money out of all of us, As soon as someone finds a loop hole they look for ways to close it or change the laws etc, If one person can do it and get away with it next we'll all be doing it and then they'll really be panicking.
With regards to sustainability, it’s more about control ability
Ask for forgiveness rather than permission - absolutely wonderful statement . 😅❤️
I just want to buy a few acres, plant trees, have a garden to grow fruits and vegetables and live peacefully off grid.
Not easy as that..... But can be done, you have to be ready!
They don't like caravans but they don't mind three massive black barns, craziness.
You are a great bloke, a real people's person. Helping all us davids against the goliaths in life. RESPECT
Very useful information. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
It’s amazing that anybody wants independent living hits a wall of regulation with no loopholes, however if you want to build a dodgy new build, then that’s another question and you can get away with what you want, as long as you have a few brown envelopes handy
A really interesting and watchable video. You clearly know your stuff!
This is the level of video I have been looking for
The ludicrous hoops people have to jump through to build houses on their *own* land! I know that some sensible restrictions need to be in place to stop folk doing silly things that worsens the quality of life for their neighbours but it's about time these laws were updated. It all smacks of a peasant having to ask his Lords permission to build an outhouse!
True
We need a similar policy to the “one planet development” in wales to encourage rural businesses and smallholdings
Maybe we could start a petition to government??
@@livingoffgridinscotland It's a good idea but I fear there are too few (yet) who want to break free of the urban 9to5. To get the moribund mass of government to move in a direction that is actually useful for people will take quite a force.
I agree with you.Who exactly do we need to ask for permission.Councils got way to much jurisdiction for a corporation.Councils work for the people.
Thank you for this. I'd like a caravan on my future garden plot, and hook it up to sewage etc as a tiny house. I don't drive, but I want a small house/caravan
Your passion always motivates me.
Very useful. I have something in the pipeline so this was really informative. Thanks.
Hi there, thank you for your video.
Put your heart mind and soul into even your smallest acts This is the secret of success
I know of a guy who bought some land with a wood on it, he got around planning by building a wooden building out of site of anyone passing by, he sorted out getting mail delivered there and after 4 years got retrospective planning because he could prove he had been getting post for over 4 years to that address.
Yes a few people have done that, after 4 years you can get a certificate of lawfulness for a dwelling, but you have to prove it’s been there and been completed for 4 years and you only residence…
Problem is the council come back after you for backdated council tax!
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thanks for your insight,
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Great video. Thanks Richard. Subbed.
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Really helpful, thank you.
Agriculture is as much needed in our future as it is in our past I am thinking of planting some gardens
Very nice video you made about agriculture
got a small plot 1000 sqm of agricultural land with river frontage and water on site placed a caravan on it and i go in the weekends to rest. The track from the road is long and mudy but my 4x4 Touareg does the job. As soon as i placed my caravan i got a postal letter at my residential address from the council asking me to remove that because is affecting ''the countryside view'' and i'm allowed only 28 days to camp on it. I went to a farm shop and purchased/planted apple fruits about 15 tress and vegetables and took care of them. After a while the council asked permission if they can come in the area to see what is going on.Because it's a private land they have to ask permission unless they have enforcement notice. They didn't wen to that stage but they we're curios what i'm doing here. Just because i planted those trees and vegetables now i'm covered by law and classifed as a worker because someone has to take care of them!! The caravan is serving as a shelter according to Welfare facilities regulations the law says i need to provide for my workers (me) a place where to eat,sleep,shower,store medicines,etc.. Can stay here as long as i want they didn't do anything they just came and left and i didn't heard anything from them since then (1 year). My opinions is that every council has to challenge you somehow they just want informations about what you doing there and plan to do. If you mind ur own business and don't build a huge house they won't bother you. Now i plan to apply for mooring permission i had a chat on the phone with the local river officer and he told me i can do that easily. That will also serve as a proof for 5 year rule
It’s 10 years and 1 day if you’re going for a certificate of lawfulness on a caravan
Thanks Richard, great info
Thanks
Hi good video. And a fantastic yard./ land. All the best with it. Take care
Thanks james magee
Thank you for the information very helpful thanks
❤ Brilliant video
Thank you!
Thanks Richard good info
its look like my village town , thanks for this 😍😍
Amazing information agriculture
This was very interesting!
Another good video , very informative
Than you
Glad you found it useful
Useful video thanks!
Great vid! Thanks a lot.
Hope you enjoyed
@ Lochnaw Smithy, your information is the most comprehensive, well researched and informed I have come across on CZcams. This is exactly the type of information that is needed. Thank you.
Hi, thanks for your kind comment.
Many thanks very helpful
Far too many Rules these days...
I can understand needing planning permission for a Brick house or Bungalow...
But not for a Static?
But if you keep paint it Green & have it surrounded by bushes or Trees then it should be ok?
Councils like to make money where they can?
Could be easier to have a Large Tourer or M home & then it ll be easier to move if need be😊
I think its awful when large chunks of Farm land is sold off to build large Housing Estates😶
Brilliant video - very very helpful. We plan to build a tiny house on wheels on a piece of land and the barn building application looks a very good way forward (we'll need several barns anyway to store equipment for food growing and general land management).
Hi Rod and thanks for the comment.
I’ve done another more in depth video on that;
czcams.com/video/HNG3YcQTBdg/video.html
I'm hoping to get a change of use as it's currently classed as agricultural.
I'm thinking of planting an apple orchard and setting up a cider/vinegar business, building another barn for pressing etc then eventually get a change of use for the cabin
Why don't you just build a temp wooden cabin as soon as you get the planning permission for the barn? Explanation would be that you need to live close by to complete the self build barn.
@@norocketsciencebuild5371 You can grow a few chickens and build a log cabin it will be classified as a shelter for workers (you). Under the health and safety regulations you need to provide a place where to eat,sleep,shower for your workers (you). So build yourself one you are covered by law as long as you buy some living stock. My neighbour has a log cabin size of a house without planning and the council said nothing because he is growing living stock
@@iLoveAppl3947 wow, I didn't know that. I know you have to provide worker(s) [yourself] a place to have lunch, break, toilet break... I wasn't aware of shower and sleep. I think the latter two are suspects, I will have to look into these in further detail. But an eye opener none the less. Could you provide some links/reference? Of course it goes without saying, you'd have to have a Ltd company registered with the company's house.
Thank you! Ricahrd this was very helpful what if you buy land that already has a wooden cabin built on it but is classed as "land" as the sale.
Agriculture is our basic need
Great video. Could be very useful, we have change of use for equestrian use and permission for stables that have been up 18 years. We are now starting a stud farm in the hope to live onsite as miniature ponies need care especially when birthing....
Glad you found it useful
Would you be able to help us put a “caravan” on our land to hopefully build up our business of a rare breed miniature stud farm
Miniature pony that is
Hi. Could you kindly explain why ponies need human care when giving birth?
The gent stated in the video that, once you have a planning permission for a barn or so, you could site your caravan close to the build... Or a temp cabin.
Very informative
It's a shame you don't live closer would like to meet for a beer
We are buying about some land to graze our horses at the moment its arable land can you offer any advice many thanks James
What advice are you looking for
I rather live in rural area than living in big cities Because I just want to live peacefully.
Really informative video Richard thanks for uploading.
I'm buying 5 acres of land in Wiltshire, England that already has a wooden cabin on site which has all been signed off and is above board. I'm hoping to get a change of use as it's currently classed as agricultural.
I'm thinking of planting an apple orchard and setting up a cider/vinegar business, building another barn for pressing etc then eventually get a change of use for the cabin. Can you see any flaws in this plan or anything I can do to make it easier for myself? Thanks again
Providing you are running a proper business and are going to make a profit you have a fighting chance.
I’ve done another video a few days ago about permitted development rights for agricultural holdings that’ll give you more advice.
czcams.com/video/er5vN3gNIqE/video.html
Any update? :)
The biggest problem in agriculture today is water If fresh clean water is available for crops, then farming is also good
Hay, I am listening to this again, probably the 9th time lol. So I got a question regarding man hour to live on a farm, are the man hours you have to justify before you apply to live on the farm on a caravan to establish the business or is that something you need to justify when you are submitting an application for permanent dwelling on the farm? Tia.
What if you genuinely only wanted to live in a static caravan and you were willing to provide the council with a written affidavit saying that you would not ask for planning permission to build a house on the land, I wonder how that would go ?
That's a very good point and I am saving your comment
Hi is planning granted to the site or the applicant? Great content looking forward to new videos.thanks
It depends what you’re applying for.
Planning permission for a house, shed, general works is usually granted to the site.
If you’re applying for planning permission to live on site in a static caravan, be it retrospective or a regular application it’s fairly common for the planning granted to be tied to a specific business or person/persons.
Hope that helps!
one of the constants is the amount of hassle and personal stress this lifestyle brings
Great looking for agriculture
Very informative video, I completely agree with get someone who knows planning permissions and laws as I have already stepped once into a pot of someone not knowing the legislation and saying I can do this and that, when I already knew I could not do it. The land which I have has Article 4 on it, so even to get a drive in and put a fence up I needed to ask for permission from the council.
Edit: Yes it’s agricultural land...
Many thanks for your comment
I think the issue is as you stated the land is restricted therefore it would be difficult naturally the council want more control over it to ensure it doesn't turn into something that goes against the article 4. That's different from buying a agricultural land that doesn't have article 4, or other clauses, like publics right of way, and etc.
@@norocketsciencebuild5371 I think I just didn’t realise just how much more control council wants on the land... also it comes down to how much land you own and the land which I have by UK standards is too small.
Just a heads up for anyone reading the comments: As of now (2023) The governement HAD a bill passing through parliament that would remove the 4 year rule (reverting instead to the 10 year rule). Following 3 consecutive prime-ministers, this bill has been dropped for now as they have other priorities. But I would strongly advise anyone reading in 2024 or later to double-check with great care that the 4 year rule still exists before relying upon it.
We’ve done a subsequent video on this topic….
@@livingoffgridinscotland Oops! :D
Currently trying to get some land but already living off grid although currently on someone else's farm in my bus and struggling to find a cheap enough piece of land.
Land is difficult to find, you just have to look hard and let everyone know you’re looking.
Hmm there is a disused quarry which is overgrown with trees, technically brownfield but I have been told by some planning advisers that they doubt it would be treated as brownfield. I'm not sure whether they will treat it as agricultural or woodland though, since disused quarry is a category of it's own.
A quarry isn’t brownfield. They’ll treat it as green belt for planning purposes.
@@livingoffgridinscotland Ahh ok thanks, it just sold anyway, will be contacting farmers directly to see if they have land to sell.
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Hi Richard. Refreshing and very informative vlog mate, thankyou. I'm in the process of finding and buying woodland in The Midlands and I've been led to believe stipulations for land area and building are different to agricultural land, that area can be less than 12.5 acres to be able to build a barn/workshop. What are your experiences?
Yes, you need much lees land to build a building under the prior approval route on woodland, that said it does need to be appropriate for the size of your land and what you’re doing on it. I.e the smaller the acreage the smaller the building if that makes sense..
Thanks for this video ! Quick question - does "Agriculture" include growing willow for basketry ?
That would be forestry, but if you were based in a woodland you have a fighting chance.
Woodlands usually have permitted development rights to build a forestry building.
There is a guy called Ben Law who has done it, he was on Grand Designs and has written an excellent book about his journey, from living in a bender yurt in his woods, static caravan and now a house....
@@livingoffgridinscotland aah, thank you, yes. I do know about Ben and have one of his books. Thanks for answering , much appreciated.
Don't mention baskets. I have successfully argued and been granted a agricultural determination for growing hedging plants and selling them for agricultural use.
Willow for basket making is osier and it's specifically included in the definition of agriculture in the Agriculture Act 1947.
Great video. Bussines always has to do with farming?. Thanks
Yes
Enjoying watching your videos thank you! My family have a small piece of land (in aonb) which they have a wooden cabin to stay in and various sheds which have been there 10 years plus and storage sheds which have been there 30 years plus. (No complaints from neighbours and on a private road) What would personally suggest as the best route for planning permission/ living there? What would you say is our next best move, aside from making it more comfortable and just living there?
When you say you have a wooden cabin to live in? How long has it been there? Is it habitable? Has anyone physically lived there until now?
@@livingoffgridinscotland Thank you so much for your reply It's been there over 10 years now but has only ever been used for short stays/ weekends. There's a stove and caravan toilet outside and gas stove but needs some work to make it comfortably habitable. (insulation, off-grid set up etc)
Looking advice on agricultural land as a potential future camping site? Hoping to set up a off grid camp site in the east of England in the next 10 years.
Any suggestions?
You can open a small campsite by being a certified location for the camping and caravanning club, this is the easiest route into a camp site.
I would still follow the route I outline in this video first, apply for prior approval for an “agricultural” building, site a static caravan whilst you build then get your camp site up and running
You know you said, "... once you get planning permission for a barn, and start digging sight your caravan close by..." can the same be applied on a plan smaller than 12.5ac and you get planning for a barn or stable, can you start digging for them, and then shift focus and start building a cabin as a temp dwelling... And then get back on the barn/stable.
Yes
On 12.5 acres in England you have permitted development rights so only need prior approval to build a barn
On smaller plots you can apply for full planning to build a barn and people are doing this, but with full planning comes all the questions the planners want answering, business plans etc but then once planning is approved you still have that argument that you can and do need to live on site in a temporary caravan/dwelling
@@livingoffgridinscotland I see. So providing that you have a sound agricultural business plan, and I am thinking of breeding for meat (I have a few successfully business background), obviously I'll need a barn or two or more, to start with 1 barn, now, if I get the planning approved do I have the right to site a temp dwelling without the planning permission?
@@norocketsciencebuild5371 yes, basically.
This is why most people with small plots of land keep pigs, you need to be there when they’re giving birth, they’re prolific, usually a dozen piglets born in a litter, and they fatten quicker than any other farmed meat animals
@@livingoffgridinscotland I see. Fab thanks for always taking the time to reply to all of our questions. It's lovely that we have community who can help each other and been there done that.
Thank you, Richard, for your informative response. I am planning to purchase a small plot to park my caravan due to budget constraints. I had no idea that Scotland would be more affordable. Can you suggest any specific locations in Scotland that would be suitable? I am tired of paying a high council tax, so purchasing a caravan seems like a good option. However, I am struggling to find a suitable plot. I have come across a few online, but they are all up for auction, and the auction companies add their own commission of £6000 on top of the land's price. Can you please suggest any alternatives or help me find a suitable plot?
I can’t sorry apart from the usual websites and auction companies, any property finder will charge a fee similar to the auction companies for their services
This is where I discovered admiralty law..exc.. and I found that the laws stopped you in so many ways.. becomes hard work..but.. can be done if you know your rights..legally.. loop holes exc..
Is there any set length of time between applications for the barns?
You have permitted development rights for a total of 1000 square metres, but that renews every 2 years
Obviously if you submit too many applications in a short period you’ll get refused, I always have the first shed nearly completed then apply for the next
Hi, very informative video. My scenario is to be buying a barn that’s being sold with full planning approval to convert to a dwelling. Site is .4 of an acre with a pond housing ducks. Ideally want to live on site while I do the conversion in a static. Am I breaking any laws? Thanks in advance
Technically you can live on site whilst building for the duration of your build…. Planning authority might huff and puff and ask you to put in planning for your temporary accommodation, but you just need to respond and quote the correct case law
You have to have started the build within 3 years not completed it. The wording is "carried out".there is currently not legislation telling you how long you have to complete it
In Wales, it is stated in the government guidelines you have 3 years (I read it just the other day), I am assuming the same for England as we follow the English law system.
Do you know what the permitted development Size for Northern Ireland is?
Hi,
I just wanted to pick your brains on a situation, I've recently had a visit from the council eforcement officer after nosey neighbors complained about me leveling my field entrance and digging a shallow footing to have gravel on (to eventually have a static on) this is on agricultural land in the UK with no dwelling, I was told i would need planning permission to use gravel as its classified as "Hard standing" (its my understanding if water can pass through it, it can't be classified as Hard standing.)
Is he correct ?
He’s correct, hard standing is anything free draining from hardcore to gravel.
You should have submitted either a prior notification/prior approval or full planning application prior to starting work depending on your situation.
@@livingoffgridinscotland Thank you 👍
Hi richard, you mentioned Scotland and England, but what about Wales, on the same basis of what you were talking about. Re agricultural land and buildings is it the same as England or Scotland?? Thankyou for information I’m looking into buying land in Wales. But if things are easier in Scotland I maybe buy up there. As my cousins all own farms up there. Thanks again great site. Kind regards Dawn
Permitted development etc is pretty much the same across all the devolved nations.
It’s actually easier in wales as they have the “one planet development” policy allowing people to start smallholdings but you have to do a full planning application and keep meticulous records - if you plan on moving to wales I’d look into the one planet development also known as OPD
Hi. You talked about PDR being over 12 something acres in England and Scotland much less, what about Wales?
It’s currently the same as England although they have a “One planet development” policy to establish smallholdings, so if you apply under that scheme you can build a temporary dwelling and farm buildings - it’s an incredibly complicated system
@@livingoffgridinscotland thanks for your speedy reply. Might be a good idea to do a video on that too, as many people from England are choosing to move down to Wales for the cheaper lands and the beauty we have to offer.... Cheers again!
Hi there, quick question, we have a 1 acre hedged field, we want to grow veg for ourselfs and some chickens etc.. we will not be living there as we have a property elsewhere. Is it fine to have a small caravan on site for use to use when we are working there?
It’s not the caravan that needs permission, it’s whatever it’s used for, technically it doesn’t need permission if you’re not using it for anything. Whatever you use it for might come into a “class use” under planning law
Is there any restrictions on the size of mobile home you can put on site? Such as the larger residential mobile homes that have a chassis, wheels and a drawbar but come in two parts.
Not really as long as it complies with the caravan act
The problem you will come up against is if you’re claiming to be a poor smallholding making £15,000 profit per year and then you’ve got a £100k mobile home and a new rangerover outside the planners won’t look very favorably on you
@@livingoffgridinscotland now your telling me iv got to sell the range rover 😕
@@andrewcarmichael7212 lol
Thing is your business has to be and look realistic
I’ve seen so many people trying this approach and they’ve just got a caravan, shipping containers, poly tunnel and a handful of chickens trying to claim it’s a legit business so they can get to build a mansion...
I bought a small farm......I halved the field nearest to the house to make a garden then put 2 statics in,so they were within the 'curtilage'. They have been lived in many years....so why not just do that...make a garden around a ruined former dwelling now almost just a pile of stones....then put the static.....
Not everyone is that lucky to just have a ruined dwelling lying about!
Small farm land is around 450k to 800k I don't know who has that sort of money under their bed 🤣😂
Got a question: I’ve got some land which has a derelict build on it , want to put a mobile home on the land and restore the building putting a roof back on and repairing the walls , can I do this . It was last lived in 50 years Ago .
You need planning permission to restore the building, once you have planning permission you are are allowed to live on site while renovating the building
Can you help?
We may be lucky enough to purchase 5 Achers for equestrian purposes B you advise on how to go about permission for a static caravan.
You’ll struggle to get permission on just 5 acres for equestrian purposes.
As per the advice in both videos I’ve done on this subject, you either need to be running a legitimate and profitable agricultural or suitable rural business to gain planning permission, or use one of the loopholes I outlined in the videos.
great video, i am saving like mad to do this, one question how do you get enough electricity off grid in scotland?
We only have 4 solar panels connected right now and that supplies everything we need except December and January where we have to run the generator most of the time.
We are building a bigger off grid setup at present with 48 solar panels (15kw) 2 inverters (15kw output and 30kw peak), a 3kva wind turbine and 22kw of battery storage, so the generator should hardly run and we should be able to run the welder off the solar
@@livingoffgridinscotland thank you for that, Im worried about the general things like freezer fridge (washing machine) the rest cooking and hot water can be done on gas, and im not worried about tvs etc as i dont really watch them. I just want a rough idea of the cost as my aim is to be almost off grid and dont want to blow my budget on the land and then have nothing to play with.
@@jamesbond4981 washing machines don’t take anywhere as much power as you think, if you buy one with a hot and cold feed they don’t have to heat their own water so only use a few hundred watts.
A fridge/freezer isn’t a major concern either, they don’t use a massive amount of power, when we only had a generator we turned it off all evening and night for around 12hours, nothing defrosted as long as you didn’t open the freezer
Our current solar system and batteries cost just under £2k, the new system will cost around £5k
@@livingoffgridinscotland thats great news, any way of sending you a PM? im so desperate to get away from my current lifestyle
@@jamesbond4981 hi, if you go onto the homepage of our CZcams channel, then the section “about” contact info is in there.
Failing that we are on Facebook as “Lochnaw Smithy”
What if you have permission for a stable block of 3 stables been there 30 yrs will planning be easier for a mobile home?
No, not really….
What happens if you don’t notify the lpa and just build the barn? And does that change if it’s been there more than 10 years?
If you don’t notify the lpa you don’t have the right to live on your land whilst building the barn.
There isn’t a retrospective prior approval process, so if you got caught building the barn it’d require a full retrospective planning permission application probably along with a business plan off an agricultural consultant etc
@@livingoffgridinscotlandThanks. I built the barn and put down hard standing 20 years or so ago but wanted to legitimise it all and make things official? I never lived there myself although my parents did. I just want to ensure it is recognised for commercial use. 👍
Hi Richard Would you be able to help me with a 1 acre plot of designated woodland vis a vie a stastic caravan? thanks Simon
Hi we have a small farm 29 acres, had since 2012, when put up barns under pd and then moved a twin unit mobile on a lived in it for a year before we put in planning for temp AG dwelling. That ran out nearly 4 years ago, is there anything I might be able to do which would more easily enable me to get a certificate of lawfulness or permission? Interested before we start a planning app process again thanks Paul
Hi
The time line for the 4 year or 10 year rule for the certificate of lawfulness only starts when your planning permission expired, if it’s a mobile home it needs to be there for another 6 years to get a certificate of lawfulness.
The only chance you do have is if you turn your mobile home into a “dwelling”
There isn’t many cases where this has actually been accepted by a planning authority, I’ve seen caravans bricked around, extensions built off them, axels and draw bars removed etc so they are no longer capable of being moved easily, but you’d really be taking a chance going down that route!
The 4 and 10 year rule only apply for breeches. My advice would have been to convert the lawful barn into a dwelling and not involved the planning authority. Once you have a cirtificate of lawfulness you have the same permitted development rights as any other house, subject to restrictions on protected sites. If you haven't been issued an enforcement notice do nothing
Hi i phoned a planning officer from a local council just to ask a few questions and double check a few things and they said that i could not live in a caravan on the land even if i was building an agricultural shed. They said i would need to apply for planning permission for the caravan. Are they just being awkward or have the rules changed? Thanks in advance
A planning officer isn’t the best person to seek advice from, there are 2 books you’d be well advised to buy, “field to farm” by David acreman and “the rural planning handbook” written by chapter 7 who give free planning advice
What s the acreage in Wales please?
BTW, I asked before, I now know the answer regarding 12.5ac rule in Wales, it's the same as England basically, plus the one planet policy - which is junk really.
Yes, but one planet development is still worth looking into as it’s kind of set a precedent for smallholdings and it’s caused the planning system and enforcement to be over run so you have more chance of getting away with building a cabin etc in wales, especially South Wales
@@livingoffgridinscotland yeah might be worth revisiting it and studying it further to see if that works out better. Perhaps I can do a comparison once I learn enough about both policies and see what makes more logical sense.
You mention England and Scotland, do you know if anything is different for Wales? Thanks
Slightly
Wales also has a policy called OPD which is “one planet development”
@@livingoffgridinscotland Yeah I know about OPD, the more you look into it the worse it seems to me. Having to report everything every year, not being able to ever go away cos it uses too much carbon, one partner not being able to have a decent job as it would skew the income ratio and potentially then deciding that you can't live there any more because you have a bad year etc... the fact most people want to be off grid to get away from so many government ties, this feels like the opposite 😩
The other bits you mention, to your knowledge are the same? Thanks for the reply
@@alicia217 I think with OPD most people don’t tell the truth, they’re all a bit of work of fiction!
I believe the planning officers are now struggling to police the annual paperwork...
I am all my life , never had the money or change to buy a house. I may could afford a caravan or mobile home and get some cheap land and live there, can I do it ???
LOL Where in that book that you place your hand upon to swear to the truth does it mention the Crown or having dominion?
Hi, I have 23 acres of land in North Wales (In Snowdonia National Park), I have had a static caravan in my Large old Dutch barn which sticks out about 3foot for 2 & 1/2 years . Gwynedd Council & SNP know its there as I invited them to inspect when I first put it there but they never replied, a neighbour reported it and they came out to investigate but said it was ok as long as I did not live in it I could use it for facilities & storage, they also said if I wanted to stay on the land for lambing & also for 28 nights that I would have to have a touring caravan onsite for this purpose. So I can have X2 but only sleep in 1.
They also said that I need planning permission to build a new barn is this true?
I live 10 miles away and commute twice daily, I have done a preplanning application & they say that there is property for sale or to rent nearby and that my land is in a flood zone as are the properties anywhere nearby they say I can rent or buy.
Any advice would be grateful.
Since you are in a national park you don’t have any permitted development rights to build a barn etc. so yes you need full planning to build anything
The only chance of living on the land is doing it without telling them, I.e converting part of the existing barn into a functional house then applying for a certificate of lawfulness after 4 years and 1day or running a business that requires you to live on site
@@livingoffgridinscotland thanks for your rapid reply, they do not consider that having 70 sheep which x40 are in lamb being a reason to live on site. What other forms of business do you consider would require living on site?
Sheep only require constant supervision whilst lambing which is covered in your 28days
Most people who successfully get planning on small acreages usually use pigs etc
If there is some derelict building on your land is it ok to put a log cabin on it.
In a word, no.
@@livingoffgridinscotland Thank you.
So, basically, the whole system has to go.
So basically you crack on with living in it, and if they were to send anyone to inspect if you're living in it, you just say you're staying in it for a few days. As the meerkat says.. Simples.
Pretty much!
Hi, we have bought a property that sits in 10 acres, the curtilage is around 1 acre, we are going to have to extend the house so my teenagers are going to live in a static within the curtilage, I was looking at a park/lodge home that comes in 2 halves, would i be allowed to put that in our garden. Thanks.
Yes, providing its within the curtilage of the dwelling and it’s still able to be moved in the 2 halves, “technically” the persons living in the caravan have to have one meal a day inside your house…
Hi Katie, in Scotland your family can use the caravan as "ancillary" accommodation to the house provided that caravan is within the curtilage of your acre of garden ground. I own a farmhouse and land in Scotland and I have a static caravan in the garden. My caravan has electrical hook up and connected to drainage. I have limited knowledge of the planning system in England.
@@lesreid2704 Hi Les, thanks for that, we are in Scotland also, we just didnt want to do something that was against any planning laws.
@@livingoffgridinscotland Hi, I have another query, are there regulations about how far a mobile home should be sited from an existing septic tank, thankyou.
It has to be "incidental to the enjoyment of the main dwelling. "
This is the jargon that makes lawyers rich
Put the septic tank in prior
Yep… good advice
Hi does anybody know if I need planning permission to have a static caravan in my back garden not to live in but as storage and temporary accommodation for when my mother visits me as I own my own house any advice would be grate. Thanks x
I am in Wakefield District WF9
You don’t need planning permission to have a caravan in the garden ground of your house, someone can actually live in it but they have to be an extension to your family and have 1 meal a day in your main house, you can also use for storage or as accommodation whilst doing work on your main house that was subject to planning permission such as an extension to your house.
Hope that helps
So what you’re saying is… after the 4 years, I’m still not guaranteed to be granted the right to live there even if that would result in homelessness?
Nothing is guaranteed.
It’s down to you to do everything you can to prove you have lived there and have proof of everything
We have a profitable market garden in third year but want to get another plot to get up to 12 acres. But the land owner won’t sell so we want to live on leased land. Do you consult and do advice?
So your profitable business, is it on rented land or do you own the land you’re working on?
@@livingoffgridinscotland all rented yes
@@Soulfarmcornwall sorry, I’m not experienced in that side of things. I believe technically you can apply for planning permission to live on site, but with you not owning the land the planning officer would be dubious of the end result.
Basically they would only give you a temporary planning permission usually for 3 years to live in a static caravan then they would expect you to submit a planning application after that period for a permanent dwelling. Obviously you’re not going to build a house on land you don’t own. I think the planning authority would also question the need to live on site if you are already running the business with 3 years accounts making a profit and you have been able to do that living off site.
You’d also need the landowners consent to submit any planning application and declare it on the forms.
Hopefully that’s helps, although it’s maybe not the answer you’re wanting.
@@livingoffgridinscotland I think we can make some strong arguments that we need to be onsite in terms of cost of petrol scaling up polytunnels not being feasible with a distance. But yeah the expectation for a perm dwelling would be the factor. We’d be looking at wooden lodges beyond the three years.
@@Soulfarmcornwall the best bet would be to try and have a sensible discussion with a planning officer at the local council. (This is difficult as they don’t like giving advice)
I know up where we are then permenantly occupying a wooden lodge is a no no..
Obviously the main argument with your type of business would be on site security and to state that you’re happy to have a planning condition linked directly to yourself and only to the business whilst you are running it. It goes without saying that getting permanent planning permission is only benefitting the landowner not yourself and would subsequently increase the land value if they ever did decide to offer to sell it to you...
Does the planning inspector need an appointment to check your private land is being lived on without trespassing 👍
No they can do what they want within reason
You would normally get a letter first stating a date and time of inspection and you basically can’t refuse access, they will have normally been for a “drive by” to see what’s what…
@@livingoffgridinscotland Glad your online 👍
I was being satirical 😃
Thanks for answering though , I am presently contemplating a field with adjacent copse , stable and two horses in the field and a concealed straw bale house in the copse under the guise of barn 🤔
UK land prices are extortion in comparison to say France but I observe from your useful Chanel about Scotland , i am going to look at Scotland and Wales as a possibility .
Great videos , good luck with your build , subbed 👍👍👍
@@propergander1162 if you look at Scottish hutting policy you can build a small dwelling with very little problems up here
@@livingoffgridinscotland Cheers man , I've been looking through the channel and subbed . Thought about everything from charcoal burning to woodsman's courses but have never heard of those rights , will take a look 👍
Is that hutting or hunting ?
@@propergander1162 hutting
I did a video on it a couple of months ago
Imagine hiding a mansion behind bales of hay for 4 years and one day and thinking you could get round planning laws. Not to mention the view for all that time would have been a bit poor!
He nearly got away with it though!
If he’d just converted the the existing stone barns without planning permission without building such a ridiculous mansion he would have almost definitely got away with it… he could have then extended it at a later date!
@@livingoffgridinscotland interestingly it wasn't hiding the house behind bales that buggered Mr fidler, concealment only came in in 2011 in the loalism act. What did for Fidler was the fact that the judge deemed the straw bales an integral part of the development and as such the 4 years only started once the bales were removed. Only then was it substantially complete. Another interesting case was the Beasley case where the judge used the Connor principal, a law nothing to do with planning
You are right Jason, had he converted a building that already had an existing use the 4 years would have started as soon as the continual breech commenced
What about converted ship container mate
Sorry what’s the question?
@@livingoffgridinscotland ship container being used on farmland as a residential for workers
@@ashleygarnish9995 converted shipping containers are viewed differently by different local authorities. They are not a caravan as they don’t have wheels. Some local authorities will let you get away with living in a converted container provided it can be moved in 2 pieces and is less than 60’ long and 20’ wide, some local authorities will argue they are not temporary as they don’t have wheels. It’s not a clear cut subject.
Personally I’m not a fan of shipping containers mainly due to the condensation issues.
Personally I’d buy something like a big showman’s wagon that is easily moveable….
@@livingoffgridinscotland yeah makes sense mate thanks for reply