Sim Overtaking You Can Be Proud Of
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2019
- We often see drivers making mistakes when overtaking in sim racing, at best costing themselves time and at worst crash into other cars.
Scott Mansell, racing coach from Driver61 and the new Driver61 Sim Racing channel explains how you should set yourself up for overtaking.
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You should do a I racing race analysis service. I’d pay you to Critique a recording, that would be awesome!
Hi Scott, first of all , a big thank you for this new channel!! Are you planning to make some videos on how to get a good car setup? ( camber, suspensions, tire pressures... ouch, a big confusion! :)
great tips!!! they are helping me a lot! could you explain some tips about f1 games? setup or if the techniques change too much..??? dont stop to make videos, please!!! hahahaha
Practice makes perfect.
I'm still .300-400 sec off top drivers but I went from being 3second to this point with practice.
Know your car, learn the track .
Like my hotlap videos ; I do 30-50 laps with a racing pace and then I push to get to my limit and usually I get the job done.
It seems to me some real fast people in iRacing have so much control over their cars, use un traditional driving styles. Anything to gain speed. Now I'm no expert but I do watch a lot of replays. And they shift different, they over rev, they brake super late, pop off on brakes, slam on the gas. It's nuts. But they are crazy fast. It's discouraging to see this for me that it works for them.. Thanks for the great videos.
When you drive a car (depends car)for a period of time and ceirtain track with a good technique, you'll notice things like "i think i can go flat out here, this curb doesn't hurt that much, hoe do i delay the brake more?" Whatever what you describe is people and cars is going to it's limits and that is awesome
Did you ever do the insanely long Endurance races in the Gran Turismo games? You'll see how you improve for every lap, even between lap 123 and 124 you improve a little bit. You become a master of the car and track you're driving. Even if you were terrible when you started the race you will now do similar things to what you talk about, you'll find the right revs, braking points, where you can floor it and where you need to be careful, every small bump on the road e.t.c.
@@batialexis9339 so true. do 100 laps with one car on one track and you will get faster amd faster
I can't tell you how valuable your videos have been, I'm fairly new so i get fixated on watching the cars in front of me and end up missing braking points. Thank you for all of your help!
Not only do I have trouble overtaking but when someone is trying to overtake me. When someone is really putting the pressure on, I end up focusing too much on the driver behind me. I either easily give up my position or make a mistake and they pass me anyway. To put it simply, I need to learn to not let other drivers get inside my head and maybe some defensive driving too lol. Great tips though, will def put them to use. Cheers on the new channel!
One way of reducing pressure for both attacking and defending is to "drive the opponents car" in your mind. If you manage to project the possible lines of both cars you can then choose where to put your car so that it's impossible for other car to make contact (this applies to both attacking and defending). And from there it's a case of focusing on your own driving. It does not always works this way, but a sub optimal line you drive perfectly will be faster than a perfect line with a forced mistake.
lingSpeed hmm yeah because I race mostly in open lobby’s so I’m used to unpredictable drivers but thank you for the tip! I’ll keep that in mind for my next race :D
I've had a faster driver fall back behind me just to "play" with me for 2 or 3 laps. It was so distracting and I made so many mistakes. Then at the last lap he overtakes me at the last straight before the finish line like it was nothing - I mean we we're both driving GT3 cars but it was like seeing a LPM1 car take off. I suspect foul play.
@Martin Damm Haha there is a thread going in ACC forums on that very topic. And i have been "guilty" of driving you describe in AC, thou never with malicious intent. I think it's a good practice for both drivers. Usually there should be nothing to feel concerned about when a fast driver follows. Thou i guess ACC has SA rating to farm, which would explain "playing" and even hitting if an ass driver attempts such antics. That must suck.
@@lingSpeed i think thats a bad way to do it. You shouldnt be driving your opponents car in your mind... because you dont know how and you wont know unless you are THEM. It is difficult from your point of view to think what your opponent CAN do... you can never be sure if they can divebomb you or not through mere imagination. (that also takes away from your own driving if you are trying to imagine)
You should just focus on your on drive... when your being pressured, ONLY look in the mirror on straights and if the car behind is more than 1 second behind... dont care, just take your line and hit your marks in the corners... theres absolutely no way anyone can divebomb someone from a second away if you hit your braking point and apex, it will end in tears if they try.
The way ive driven on iRacing aswell is i use my vision to see the track and disregard all the other cars on it unless they are within overtaking distance.
I remember one situation on Le mans (the track) when coming in the first corner on some lap some guy was behind me maybe a second away or so and they took the inside line... it was way too far to do any moves so they perhaps tried to frighten divebomb me into giving space but i just took the apex and literally within an inch or so they managed to miss me (i checked replay).... however i gained from that situation since he compromised his corner entry and i was able to gain significantly against him. (from his point it looked as if i turned infront of him but in truth he was just taking the turn completely wrong and if he hadnt been on brakes he mightve hit me at the sametime as i was going to hit the inside curb)
Even during braking zone they didnt manage to get within spotter-distance... so yeah, its better to not look in the mirror if theres no real threat. :P
Everyone should remember that our eyes also have a wider field of view than the middle point... so use your peripheral vision aswell, if you see someone going surprisingly quickly out of your rearview-mirror (in the peripheral), during braking zone, then that might mean a huge divebomb.
Thankyou for these. I use the sim as practice ,and to get to know a track before I race there. I find trail breaking hard on the sim, but I do it naturally when on track.Since watching the vid about vision, I realised I was not looking far enough ahead. This is already making my lap times quicker, with no other changes as yet.
Thank you for this series. I always find myself trying to brake too late and making so many mistakes when trying to catch car in my sight. That means I concentrate on an obstacle more than on my driving. But not only that, I'm like over 2s slower than my friend in quali. So frustrating, but I know now what I need to work on.
Always a learning experience watching your videos. The track guides were very helpful for me to win my last online league season. Thank you.
Your tips and hints really do work very well for me, a big “Thank You” for helping me so well in becoming a much better driver!
Best Regards
John
Thank you very much for the Simracing education series Scott
Best quality sim racing videos out there! Keep up the great work!
Really great practical info. Thank you very much Scott
Could you do a video on learning new tracks you've never driven before? I have a friend who will never touch new tracks because he just doesn't know them, and thinks he can't learn them and still be "fast." (He has a tendency to think he needs to be really fast right out of the gate) I have no idea how to explain it to him, and a video like that would be very helpful for him and anyone who struggles with this.
Take a car you're comfortable with (not the fastest supercar!) and drive the track in practice SLOWLY! I had to get used to that, always wanting to floor it... Just do lap after lap and once you know the layout reasonably well start speeding it up a bit. It's like driving in real life on roads you don't know. You stick to safer driving... Make a mental note of when you brake for corners as well and then you'll get fast quickly! Slow is smooth and smooth is fast! So... I guess slow = fast 🤔😁
^ Basically. If your friend has racing experience it won't take long before he starts judging the speed he can use in corners, based on that he'll figure out the braking zones and once those are reasonably known to him, then he can go and get fast.
The main advice is; Just drive the track.
i think it's a matter of giving it a few laps slower since you can't really predict what's coming next After you start analyizing you start going through certain corners faster to see where are your braking points. Eventually, you'll try to figure out a faster line, or a later breaking point, "tidying" everything up
This might not be the best way to learn a track, but sometimes I look up laps on youtube. I really don't have the patience to push the braking, I watch a video, get a basic idea of the track and do the testing, having a concept of what I'm supposed to do. I don't think pros will recommend this tho.
hey, just found your channel, and you are making super helpful content! awesome stuff to get faster and learn how to drive a racecar properply
Nice content, good luck with new channel!
First comment! Thanks Lazar!
Hi Scott, one of biggest challenges for me is to setup properlly the car. Make a video about this, teaching some specific points of setting properlly a race car. Will be great!
All your videos are helping me to improve my SIM racing skills! Tks!
Just stumbled across your channel, great content! Thanks for all the tips in these great videos! Subscribe has been smashed as I am looking forward to more!!!!
Brilliant videos and advise
Hi Scott, first of all, a great channel!! focused on sim racing techniques. Thank you very much for analysis of my footage and for your advices. I will try to learn from it and improve my driving to be better in the future. Greetings from Poland 😉
Thank you for sending your footage. I`m learning from watching it. And you are better than me too!
pawel is pronounced “pah-vel”???
or am I wrong idk
so bassically what I learned, do not get off your racing line when you're behind another car too soon try to "see trought them" or else it will cost you time. Most overtakes are taken on the straight, and when you're alone stick to your lines and try perfect your technique. Thanks Scott, always helpfull.
learnt a lot from this sort of video's, making sim racing far more fun.
I see a little bit of what used to bug me too in simracing. I would kind of forget that I'm not driving a single seater, but a car with driver side on left (or right) when in a slipstream. What I can see there from his point of view, a couple of times, that only his car's driver side is kind of at the center of the car in front. So his car's right side might be a bit out of that slipstream. Maybe not getting the best pull? In the end, might not be that much of an issue in iRacing or racing in general?
I think it's easy to fixate on the car in front and straight-lining it towards them, thus entering a corner on the inside and restricting the corner entry when that isn't necessary as a defense move against cars from the back.
SimRC on the Thumbnail makes the video 10 times better ;)
@Driver61 Sim Racing Thanks for the video. It are great tips. What I find annoying, is not being able to see some of the breakpoints when you have a car in front of you. You have to follow it because you know you are not faster. So I go of the ideal line, which makes me loose some time. I also find it safer if the car in front would break earlier. I do not want to push a car out of a race. Do you have any tips?
Hey scott, do you have a data analysis software you recommend (track attack, race studio, ...)?
Does anybody know who stocks fanetec in NYC area ? Pls help thanks
On road courses, it always seems like I'm in panic mode when trying to corner. *Especially* when one corner is near another and in the opposite direction. I'm terrible on the esses and chicanes. And the Charlotte chicane is nearly impossible for me to take at full speed in the MX-5. Unfortunately, my subscription has expired, so I can't provide any videos. I believe I still have the replay files though. Could I send you those and you critique me on them?
Road America is so tricky for me. Every corner leads into a long straight so every corner is a pace-critical corner. Nerve wracking
Not sure about iracing, I understand they have a more realistic aero/drafting physics but in Gran Turismo Sport, I do the dip out myself but it's part of my set up into the corner. Especially on high down force, where you lose front grip in the slip stream, I'm grabbing a bit of air.
I dip out, grab air, check brake point, shift back onto the line just before the braking area, which makes the weight push to the outside. I don't know if this is correct or not but it feels right when performing the maneuver because I can edge the car to the apex without having to worry about over steering up onto the inner curb. The outward momentum gives me push back. I find that once I've gotten the routine down, I can push acceleration points back because I am basically drawing a straight line out of the corner, from the outside of the corner entrance down the straight, through the apex, adding the width of the track to the acceleration zone.
I'm generally 1 to 2 seconds off world top 10 so not blazing fast but still working some of that out. After driving commercially and personally for 36 years over the roads of the US, I have more than a few bad habits to break, i.e. braking too early, accelerating too hard, etc. And have only been running GTS for about a year now so I enjoy seeing tips videos. There is something to be learned, even if you are learning that the thing that driver is doing is something that most people don't or can't do.
Please keep making video clips about sim racing.
Oh yeah Racecraft. My pace is okay but I feel like my Racecraft isn't. Scott, is it okay to send you some scenes put together in one video? Or does it need to be one single fight?
Wow, there was some really great time here for myself.
CZcams invaded by the Scots... Scott Manley, Scott Mansell... JK. So happy to see the new channel. Time to take fun seriously... or seriously have fun... uhh.. Kik the fires n light the tires!
Cars do need more boosters!
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Get the platform flat.................Great teaching.
Could you do a video on how/where to look when u are right on the back of the car in front. In the video you say u have to look through the car in front but this is where I struggle as I race GT3's in a online league but find it is hard to find my braking and turn in points when there is a car in front as they are big cars that is why I duck out off the line just to make sure I can see the upcoming corner and find that when you try and use the car in front its not always the best line as they are also looking behind to make sure u aren't going for a lunge or they hit the brakes earlier then you are expecting.
Ive been struggling with the same and it sure is annoying when a giant GT3 butt is in your face but you dont want to lose the opportunity... so heres my suggestion that i use myself: when you are doing laps by yourself without noone infront try and get a little more vision into what you see when your hitting your braking points, for example if theres another point on the other side of the track or maybe what comes right before your mark and then use those when you cant see the track too well.
Familiar landmarks or changes in the walls of the track or something... anything that can help you relate to your normal braking point.
That should help you with hitting your braking point without seeing it the same way as you normally would.
On some corners its alot harder since theres not that many things in the braking zones but in most its very much possible.
You can even use earlier markings in the track as guidance... like when a fence ends count "1... 2... brake... 1...2.. turn". (corner specific obviously)
Just to give you that optional way to hit your braking point incase you cant see it anymore.
Im sure scott can help better... you dont have to listen to me, but i hope this helps as i use it myself and have been successfull in pressuring people into "submission" and mistakes. (by being the one hugging the bumper)
6:34 its kind of like saving money. you need to be efficient now to be able to make the bigger move later on..
Just 1 bit of criticism, if you will allow me. The sim footage you show on your videos hurts my eyes. I don't know if it's running at sub 30 fps or something, but it's choppy as hell.
Do you, or anyone you work with offer one to one online sessions? If so i'd like to buy some. Cheers
When you do all things right make the pass and then the other guy just rams you off looking unintentional but actually letting the car ram you out, so you can't really report him for intentional hit because they will just say oh it's a racing incident. Heck even when it was obvious they said there was no intention so yeah there's that. I hope it's only in the lower licences though
Looks like im the only peson that races with the wheel on the screen , ill need to try this view
What game is this?
I wish trail braking in GTS was the same as trail braking in a real sim, trail braking in GTS is quite a bit more difficult to get right physics are too simple IMO
My problem is, they keep pulling away.
Didn't learn a thing! Back to losing
I want iracing sooo bad but I don’t have a pc
So, what is the purpose of “showing your nose”? Like, going a bit to the inside before a corner, even you know you are not overtaking, and then fall back to the racing line.
To put mental pressure on the driver in front?
He's racing on iMac, right?
man get rid of the exho, destroys an otherwise great video
Pawel is pronounced “pah-vel”, it’s polish lol. Great video though.
Short version for oval racers:
Either he'll move his car out of your way or you will.
What's the point of "showing the nose" if there is no possibility for actual overtaking?
Gt sport players should be required by law to watch this video lol
Bring your dad here man
Hi, first of all thanks for the great content. Can you do me a favor though and place some sound absorbing material in your studio. You sound like youre in a cave ;-) if you need any tips let me know
I don't have a studio... That's the problem!
@@driver61simracing10 its easy, use a carpet, hang curtains, place a couch, buy sound absorbing material (available at Thomann) and you improve your sound from sounding like a caveman to a pro. Than i can improve my racing from a caveman to a pro ;-P
@@hoeksy Thank you for the advice. I'll have a proper set up in a few months!
nothing wrong with the sound
Forza 7 take note
I drive nascar, sooooo
The reason for the driver to move into the middle of the road may be to get out of his slipstream.
Good info. Your titles are very click baity though...
Yes - sorry about that... CZcams algorithm!