My INDISPUTABLE Kingdom Hearts Game Tier List
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1-2-3 melody of memory and bbs 2 was s tier the rest honestly i can see being ranked b tier or lower doesnt hold up to there counter parts
So here's the thing. I agree with almost everything in this video except for one thing. I was the singular person who wanted the Country of Musketeers. I grew up watching the Three Musketeers movie over and over when I was young and I lost my absolute shit when I heard it was confirmed for 3ds. That was what convinced me to buy both the game and the system. It is my greatest sin.
Yeah I thought it was a really strange choice but I like bizarre choices like that. Plus that world had fun level design and great music.
Was hoping to find a like-minded individual on the inclusion of Country of the Musketeers! And no need to be ashamed! It was a fun little movie.
that world was awesome and the battle music slaps hard
One of my favorites too. I also liked the tron sequel.
Same! I really love that movie, watched it all the time as a kid, so seeing it in KH was a really nice surprise! I remember it was pretty dark at times too, I think there was a scene where Mickley was in chains & almost drowned?! I should rewatch it again...
THIS COMMENT IS JUST TO BOOST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE I THINK YOURE FUN TO WATCH AND EVERYONE NEEDS KH IN THEIR LIFE
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That "this keyblade belonged to XxpussydestroyerxX" made me laugh so hard
recently discovered your stuff when i was looking for a guide for all the treasures in kh1 - i kept thinking “omg i wish i had my old strategy guide with all the stickers!” so when i found your guide it was a life saver. then over the next week i just ended up watching your stuff and i have to say i’m really glad i found your channel. we’re around the same age so a lot of your experiences with the series mirror my own. my cousin also helped me beat the first game, i read the strategy guide so much it nearly fell apart, and certain parts of that game terrified me because i was so little when i was playing it!
i think your content is really strong overall, though. don’t doubt yourself. you’re funny and you speak really well on these topics. you have a good mixture of sharing information while also having personality in what you’ve posted so far. most kh vids on yt are pretty devoid of the personality part, so it’s nice to see.
i know you mentioned having more content on the way and i hope that remains true, even if it’s on the horizon! your channel might be on the smaller side right now but you are genuinely the best kh content creator i’ve come across!
comments like these make my heart happy. thanks so much. there's indeed new stuff in the works! i haven't had as much time to work on things lately but i'm chipping away at it!
Regular Pat hey my man just wanted to let you know same with me here! Just found your stuff tonight and I’m binging haha. If you’re ever looking for a kh friend, especially one that loves kh1 and has as much passion for the series as ya, add me on psn- MagicJohnsonsSon. I don’t have many kh pals in the slightest so if ya wanna get in a party some time I’d love to
(Also I’m in the middle of watching.... but we have the EXACT same thoughts about CoM. When I got Riku it shook my soul. I’m going through his story rn again in the collection for the first time since the ps3 and loving every minute)
I just realized the other day that I discovered Regular Pat earlier than I thought I did when I watched his treasure guide too! I was playing my millionth play through of kingdom hearts and I guess I rediscovered him over this past summer. It’s cool to see someone else experienced the same, also, love ya Pat
I still wouldn’t mind a full breakdown of each game on all your likes and dislikes. Maybe even a story breakdown of the phone game.
Honestly I'm sure I'll end up going into depth on the other games too lol
I think Days was supposed to be a boring type of game. Basically, it’s work. The organization members hate their jobs and just want to enjoy their lives, you play through boring work missions because you want to relax and enjoy the story.
Just played all the kingdom hearts games at the hardest difficulty in a row for the first time for each game (except for 1 which i played a lot as a kid) and i thought it was a million times more enjoyable then 3. Same for coded being higher than 3.
I think as a mobile game it works well. You play it in bursts, and also sometimes with friends and it's really fun!!
Days is incredibly enjoyable, more than 2 is anyways, it has the panel system which isn't too hard to learn but isn't too annoying to fiddle with. Plus it had multiplayer which was awesome.
some real fuckin' spicy takes in these replies
@@SmokeyEdits Yeah, I’m here wondering what these guys are on.
" everyone has a license to critique but not everyone is good at it" best quote so far
17:50 I can explain it! “Terra only trusted Xehanort because his adoptive father never warned him about Xehanort. Eraqus is the REAL idiot. HE knew Xehanort’s plans!”
Not even just that, Eraqus only ever talked about him as if he was someone who could be trusted and respected. Though I don’t think Eraqus is really all that dumb, either. Up to the point in the story, Xehanort hasn’t really done anything of concern aside from shooting an orb of darkness at Eraqus’ face (and to be fair, Eraqus picked that fight, not Xehanort). Like yeah, that’s not great but I’d imagine Eraqus wouldn’t have suspected his close friend of over 40 years or whatever to suddenly become evil because of like one incident.
@@handsoaphandsoap Xehanort outright told Eraqus he wants to start an apocalypse and Eraqus is anti darkness enough to instantly fail Terra but not ban Xehanort?
@@skibot9974 Okay yeah, I forgot about that part lmao, that's pretty dumb of him
There’s also the small fact that Xehanort is the 4th person that Terra has ever met (Eraquas, Aqua, Ventus, Xehanort) because he’s never left the Land of Departure
@@skibot9974 not to mention the fact that after this Xehanort shot Eraqus in the face and gave him those scars, but who cares. No need to mention it to the kids, oh and be sure to invite him over it the mastery exam where I humiliate Terra in front of everyone because he dared to have darkness over his hand for a second.
Days was the game I sunk the most time into as a kid just because it was the only KH game I had for a long time. Even now I occasionally start new playthroughs. I guess I can appreciate how the tedious gameplay really adds to the story in a weird way. It's like you get to know how Roxas feels on a daily basis, how it feels like work, and you get rewarded for work by seeing genuinely charming character interactions. I can gush and gush for a long time about this game and I don't know why
Petition to change the title of re:coded to "Kingdom Hearts: Boxes & Pete"
Heh.
Signed
“Why do we have to do sleeping things?”
You will never convince me that this isn’t how DDD was written: Nomura hits blunt, “What if we named the game on the 3DS three words that start with D? Maybe something with dream. I guess they’d have to be sleeping to dream.”
i got 3 things starting with D for that game
Dumb Dump Doodoo
@@dmas7749 I'll do ya 3 better, Disappointing Depictions of Disney
I love Days and it deserves a massive reexamination in the fanbase imo!! It’s so good, the story is fantastic and the slowburn pacing of it as you do mundane missions is absolutely my kind of shit (though I guess if that’s not your thing or you don’t care for the story in Days then I guess it’s just not for you). I also love the setup of getting to play throughout Roxas’ time in the organization and as a massive fan of the franchise, getting to see the Organization members interact with each other on a casual level is honestly the best.
The battle system isn’t nearly as bad as people say either; like yeah, it’s definitely a DS game, but it’s got a retro charm to it in it’s clunkiness and it’s at least never unfair or broken. I can see why people don’t care for the panel system, I personally liked it but I also like jigsaw puzzles and Tetris so that goes without saying. Overall, I think it’s a really solid experience and it’s miles better than the clunky cutscene movie they slapped together for the HD Remix. I really wish they’d port it for the Switch or something, maybe in a bundle with re:coded, but that’ll probably never happen since the fanbase barely even acknowledges the two titles.
I mostly agree, but you're giving too much credit to the ruler of the sky by saying it's never unfair or broken
Okay yeah true, there’s some wonky boss designs lmao but they’re at least all doable aside from that insanely badly designed optional one
I like it too, it’s definitely top 5 for me. 😁
Older video but I love your stuff man, even though I disagree with some of your criticisms on KH2 I can totally respect your opinions because you put them in a respectful way, when you talk about it you don’t try to act super smart and high and mighty like some other content creators out there, you’ll blow up and get more subs eventually, I know it!
Hey thanks! Part of the origin story for the channel was my own being very put off by how holier-than-thou some KH analysts were so I'm glad my efforts to be measured and not-a-dick are being noticed lol.
Havent checked your channel in a few months since I watched your treasures guide for KH1. Love the content man this is one of the most solid channels I've stumbled across in terms of KH content and descriptions/explanations. Cant wait to see what ideas are in store!
Thanks so much! I've got stuff in the works!
KH1 had puzzles to progress through worlds as well as hidden doors and paths that made the whole thing especially when you’re younger feel so much more rewarding when you DID progress. Like omg I felt like a queen when I found out how to get to ursula’s lair in Atlantica after weeks. Kh2 never had that.
Damn, Pat, we hear you loud and clear you absolutely DESPISE kh2
Ya caught me!!
KH3 feels like a mediator between the two really. Just my thoughts though.
@@animosital1645 yeah but as a side effect it never feels as great as either, It's trying to be both 1 & 2 and thus couldn't shape its own identity as much as the other kh games could. that's just how I feel about it though.
@@killerbug05 think of it this way, with KH3 being the end of the first saga of games, it represents a culmination of all the most beloved features from the past installments seeing as how it basically represented the endgame in a way, an idea I feel is strengthened by how KHMoM, it's sequel, and Khux, which concluded well after KH3 released, are currently the series biggest departures from what we've come to expect from it
Sees tier list video: why is it so long?
Remembers exactly what channel I'm watching: oh yeah
I personally loved the oddball world selection in DDD. The worlds there wouldn't fit quite right in the numbered titles, but they feel right at home with a dream context (you try putting Sora, Donald, and Goofy in Hunchback in KH2 or 3).
DDD felt like a bunch of leftover worlds they had lying around and it's for the better cause it has the most unique selection out of all the KH games now
For Days, I feel like I enjoyed it more than most would. The character stuff in the game is top notch like you said, where we get to see the ordinary lives of the organization members. I felt the gameplay was fine, aside from the later boss battles being bs and missions that consisted of chasing a single fast enemy in a large room, but I really enjoyed the mission system. It was also great to finally be able to play as the organization members, Donald, and Goofy after so long.
As for Birth by Sleep, I was surprised to hear you say that a lot of people are giving it a lot of flack nowadays. Even though I was in a tough spot in my life when I played it, there were a lot of great highlights. The command deck system was great, it was interesting to see how they split the story and worlds between three characters, who in turn felt unique and more useful during different phases of the game.
Seeing you put Days in D hurt me a lil bit. I’m sure for a LOT of people this game only lives in old memory, but I think it holds up fairly well.
While a lot of people may not love the whole Roxas/Xion/Axel story, the story of the Organization as a whole is well done in the game, showing you insights into a lot of their characters and relationships, giving you just a little bit more to chew on towards Xemnas, and filling in some gaps relating to KH CoM and 2. Personally I think the Xion boss fight is possibly the most emotional and beautiful struggle in the whole series, pitting you against one of Roxas’s closest friends after seeing her grow and develop over the course of the game, and forcing you to watch as Roxas holds her as she fades away, only to tragically forget her existence immediately after.
I’ll admit that the Panel system was maybe a bit jank and some of the missions can be tedious, but the intricate world layouts, secret bosses and encounters in missions, and dope ass abilities and combos Roxas can master help it out greatly (Many of them that originated here would be carried forward into BBS and beyond).
Not to mention that it was the first KH to game to have Multiplayer! Mission mode could be extremely fun with friends, allowing you to crush those extremely challenging secret bosses with 4 people, and able to play as any of the Organization members, as well as Sora, Riku, Mickey, Donald, and Goofy.
It’s sad that it’s been stuck back on the DS, and thus many people haven’t revisited it since their youth. I think I last played it 5 or 6 years ago, but I ended up enjoying it quite a bit! Personally a B tier for me.
wow, this is a great video dude. loved hearing your thoughts and opinions and it’s always refreshing to see discussion of the pros as well as cons of the series, and i’m glad you’re willing to put controversial opinions out there. one lukewarm defense i’d like to give towards KH2 is your point about the Disney content being filler.
while yes, the Disney worlds are in no way as impactful, well designed, and important as KH1’s, I’d still argue they’re actually not THAT bad, and actually better in my opinion than KH3’s. to explain what I mean, it comes down to the goals of our protagonists in each game. KH1 and 2 has Sora looking for his friends, trying to keep peace, help people out, and get back home. simple and understandable. KH3? uhhh.... he needs the power of waking? whatever that means? (which i’ve played through the game a few times and it still makes no sense, especially considering when he ends up getting it all he had to do was wish for it really). this vague power is what he’s looking for the whole game but nobody really tells him how to get it, so it just feels like you’re wandering around leveling up waiting for the plot to come back and tell you you’ve earned it. in KH2, while it’s really disappointing that they didn’t integrate the overall story as much into them, the Disney words don’t feel as bad as they could because they’re still looking for Riku and the king and fighting off a new enemy. something simple and identifiable like that helps to remember what we’re there for, but i wish they could’ve brought it up more in the plot of the worlds. also, while it’s not super consistent, there are the integrations of Organization members in a few of them (Luxord in Pirates, Demyx in the Underworld, etc.). and a lot of worlds after completion have cutscenes from the main plot to kind of reward you with little bits of progression. going back to my KH3 comparison, while it technically does have more to remind you what’s going on throughout the worlds, it doesn’t really feel like it because it’s just constant exposition explaining lore we already know or bringing up questions. theres no focus, there’s not much REAL progression, and like you said, no significant halfway point like KH2. there’s no 2 hour Hollow Bastion 2 visit where we get a bigger picture of what’s going on with lots of development, making up a little bit for the slower pacing in the worlds. while yes, WAY more scenes going back to the main plot are spread throughout, ESSENTIALLY nothing happens. it’s all just characters talking about how to get the others back, backtracking and overexplaining. for 75% of KH3 except for the beginning and the end. also i get that every other game dumped a ton of stuff at the end, that is indisputable. but it doesn’t feel as earned or impactful in KH3 because the events leading up to it were so confusing and not really that important, and everything that does happen in the end is just predictable. it’s really nice to see, but it was obvious that everyone was gonna get back together no matter what. i just wish they did everything else more interestingly. also the Disney worlds are much longer in KH3 which is great for content but bad for pacing.
anyways, sorry for the long tangent. i still agree with plenty of your points and loved the video. just wanted to give a position i don’t see many people take (maybe because i don’t make sense lol). you just earned a sub. i love this kind of discussion. keep it up :)
also thank you for not sleeping on CoM it’s so underrated
if i had to do my ranking:
S: KH1(objective best), KH2 (personal favorite)
A: CoM
B: N/A
C: BBS, KH3, 0.2
D: Days
E: Coded
F: DDD, Union X
I love long tangents! It has me thinking about the content of the intermittent KH original stuff in KH3 that I haven't considered as deeply. I would say in terms of KH2 rewarding you with scenes of the main plot, I honestly don't recall that really happening very often; I did a video on KH3's pacing specifically that takes a look at the KH2 timeline in that regard. You may find that video infuriating to listen to given the points you've raised here lmao but I respect it nonetheless.
CoM for life baybeeee
Regular Pat i’ll definitely check that video out, currently binging your channel
I love that you want a Treasure Planet world. It’s my favourite Disney movie and WAY to underrated
I want one too idk how it would fit in the mythos
Been binge watching your videos. I too am hopelessly in love with KH1 and am basically your age (25) and have similar experiences growing up with these games. I really loved your RE-COM video and was sad you didn’t mention Riku, but I was hyped when you mentioned it in this video. Also, on the topic of wanting to see BBS on the big screen, I remember walking to every gamestop in my area (didn’t have a car and couldn’t ride a bike) to find a PSP cable that let you play on your tv JUST for BBS. Magic.
Edit: I also love the BBS command deck and overall combat system. I regularly got crucified by my kh fan buddies for preferring it to 2. Also, while I agree with all of your criticisms of two, i’m wondering how much waiting to get the FM version influenced your opinion on the game.
My problem with Terra isn't "how could he not see that Xehanort is evil?" even though there were subtle signs that he is at least a little weird.
My problem is that he shows NO sign of critical thinking and skepticism. I feel like his story would've made more sense if it were Ventus since he's a kid, thus easier to manipulate. Terra is an adult, who is more capable of level headed thinking. I don't expect him to outright argue with Xehanort over every thing he says (he's a master after all, worthy of respect) but Terea could have at LEAST shown some skepticism over Xehanort's overt praise of darkness. Terra was trained for perhaps his whole life to fight the darkness, yet ONE guy comes along who he may have just met, and he just believes him?
I don't think he should have seen through every trick, but SOME form of questioning would've made him 10x better for me. He just comes across as really easy to trick, which makes me think far less of him.
Riku went though a very similar thing in KH1 but again, Riku was a child, thus easier to manipulate.
I think Terra just wanted to believe in Xehanort because he was the first one to tell him " Ehi it's okay to have some darkness inside you".
For all we know, Eraqus could have made him feel like shit for all of his life because of his darkness. Xehanort was the first to accept this side of him.
@@lantrodijosh6224
While I agree that Eraqus' almost overblown hatred of the darkness probably pushed Terra away somewhat, I'd argue that Eraqus (also a master worthy of respect) probably has some knowledge worth considering. Maybe Terra could have thought that there has to be SOME reason Eraqus is so repulsed by darkness, it can't be that simple, and that Xehanort is WAY too into darkness that there has to be some questions being asked.
Again, I don't think it would make sense for Terra to be fully skeptical of everything he's told, but SOME internal conflict over this sort of thing would gave gone a long way for me. It really doesn't help that he's an adult, I wouldn't even think of this complaint if it were Ventus, or when it was Riku.
Personally i think its been implied since the first game that darkness corrupts you and power blinds you. Terra, much like Riku, got high off his own supply.
Just look at the way he slurps his soup!
@@NayNayfin
What an asshole!
I’ve completed days 7 times and I feel called out. (No but no hard feelings). I think I really connected to the characters and so I just replayed it over and over to have those moments with them, good and bad.
I still play days all the time its my fave to go back to
Playing as roxas and all the casual interactions with the organisation makes it S tier for me :3
S- Your Childhood
A- OH MY GOD GUYS WE'RE PLAYING KINGDOM HEARTS 3 I'M SO FRAKING EXCITED!, Heart Light Dark Heart Bart Dark
B- More of my Roxas Fanfictions, Being Confused
C- More Nintendogs!
D- Eating more of that FUCKING ICE CREAM
(Wonders if Pat will get this)
Well i want to see that. I like that somewhat unique view at Kingdom Hearts and that love for KH1.
Best side game: Well DDD for me close by BBS.
I have played through and 100%’d every kh game that was console available, some even several times over. I’m actually in the middle of a 100% playthrough the the entire series. For me, the order of my favorite KH games are:
1: KH2 - I prefer it over KH1 solely for the amount of content in the game, and how much better the combat feels. The addition of optional endgame bosses was also a nice plus.
2: KH1 - KH1 will always hold a special place in my heart. It was the first KH game i played, and back then i couldn’t even get past the trickmaster. Feelsbad when sora commits die.
3: KH3D - I enjoyed playing through the entirety of KH3D. The addition of a new type of enemy and a separate mechanic to adopt them as party members that you could form bonds with was really fun. The commands you could unlock were also especially satisfying to unleash mid-battle. It eventually became repetitive though, especially with the dive segments and dream bosses.
4: KH3 - The game everyone waited for. I personally found KH3 to be a disappointment. It felt rushed at some points, too childish at others. Despite being the largest installment, the game felt way too short. I have no doubts it would have been better if it had the right dev team, and they took their time. Re:Mind gave a much more satisfying ending to the game, and made the combat so much better. But i still can’t forgive what they did to my boy.
5: BBS 0.2 - Seeing Aqua’s story and descent into darkness was very fun. To see it was soo soon before the first game too, was even better. The game was short, but it felt just long enough. The graphics improvement was a huge plus too. How i wish they would remake the past games on the unreal engine.
6: BBS - I enjoyed BBS as a prequel to the original story. The command menu was fun to use, especially after having already played 3D. Though i found it to be too much of a grind to get 3 different save files at 100%, just to unlock the secret ending.
7: KH:recom - While i never played the ds version, i did play the ps2 remake. This game is the culmination of my hatred. This is the only KH game that took me more than a month to complete. Infact, my first playthrough took over a year. Some of the bosses were way too hard as a kid; days of raging, quitting and coming back weeks later just to beat it first try. It fills a huge hole in the plot between KH1 and 2 though, and Riku’s story was a huge redeeming factor.
8: KH 358/2 days - I never got the chance to play this game, but i did watch the movie. The movie just made me wish they remade the game instead. The story was great, and while the ending was a sob scene, it just made it better.
9: Melody of Memory - I have placed this game here, strictly because i have yet to play it. I like rhythm games though, and the ending has me excited for the next installment so i’d say it did its job.
10: KH Unchained X - I have not and will not play the mobile installment of this story. The art style is just TOO childish, too cute. But the movie adaptation in 2.8 looks amazing. Following the stories of the ancient foretellers was interesting and it also helps pave the way for the existing story, both answering old questions and bringing new ones.
12: KH Re:Coded - I have never played this game. But it watched it. This “movie” was so boring, and it far overstayed its welcome. The fact that they sold a retelling of the first KH twice is astounding. Similar to KH2 you even have to go through every world a second time, but unlike kh2 it’s just so much worse...
13: KH Union Cross/Dark Road - Heh.. No. Same with Unchained X, i hate the mobile art style. I keep in check with the story though, since it maintains significance.
One thing I’ve noticed in all of your videos is that you tend to use the same two words to describe KH1 as I do: atmosphere and mystique. It’s just a different feeling you get when playing it than you have with any other game in the series-though I do agree that BBS comes closest to that feeling. That’s probably why I have the easiest time replaying it than the other installments, even if I may like other installments a little more overall. Just that intangible X-factor of mystique.
people always bitch about the bbs trio not realizing Xehanort is evil but like they have no reason to assume he is, those three grew up pretty sheltered, Xehanort is a friend of Eraqus', Xehanort is also a keyblade master, they were taught to respect their elders and why should they distrust someone who is trusted by Eraqus? iirc Eraqus himself didnt realize what Xehanorts plan was until it was too late? ( I could be wrong about that tho),
nice tier list, I really like your videos!
Thaaaank you!!
Really, Eraqus is the dumb one for hearing Xehanort say "I intend to start the apocalypse to sate my curiosity" followed by Xehanort shooting him in the face and returning a while later with a comatose child and thinking "I'm sure nothing else will come of this". Terra's just a victim of Eraqus being a bad teacher and judge of character.
I always thought it was a bit strange that Terra, someone who was taught his entire life that darkness is bad, failed his mark of mastery exam because of darkness and vows to not disappoint Eraqus again, decides that using the darkness is somehow okay. And why did he get so pissy at Aqua for monitoring him?
Tbh i revisit days every once in a while, playing as other org members is always fun and the final boss is honestly one of the more memorable in the series imo
358/2 days was my first Kingdom Hearts game.
I didn't really understand everything but it really made me passively hate Sora and, to a lesser scale, Riku.
I think it really works as an alternative introduction to the series, it's like Roxas became the hero and not Sora.
Combat system wasn't really special, but I don't think a 2009 DS game could have done better. Still, solid story and emotional beats. From pure nostalgia I would rank it way higher, but if we're being honest I think your place for it is good. Maybe C ? I don't know.
Great content as always !
That line you mentioned I’m pretty sure you took that from a Frustrated Jacob video where he quotes some IGN writer. Also I’d love a video in defense of Birth By Sleep, it used to get a lot more love upon release but in recent years it’s been hated a little too unfairly I think.
Great list! I would personally move KH2, Birth By Sleep, 358 Days, and DDD all up by one tier but thats probably just semantics.
My only real issue is that Chain of Memories PS2 vs GBA is treated as one game when I think they are different enough to warrent different placements. I woud probably rate the GBA version 3 tiers higher than the PS2 version.
3 is my favourite. Easily the most fun I ever have when playing a game. I find the gameplay to be the best in the series.
based and factually true
The respect for Birth By Sleep makes me really happy. It's my favorite KH game for biased personal reasons that objectively wouldn't hold up at all, but I love it, and I really appreciate the take you have on it.
I do think Birth by sleep is a good game as well, however it was Osaka’s first kingdom hearts gale and it shows a bit with the clunky gameplay, Terra also drags it down a bit gor me. He’s not fun to play because of the clunky gameplay and his character is one of the biggest dumbasses I’ve ever seen. Thank god 0.2 did some work with him before 3 because before that I was not invested in his character at all.
Definitely agree that the mechanics and gameplay of Days aren't anything to rave about; they aren't super interesting, or ever all that good. But the reason I have a soft spot for it is the story. You literally get to be in the capital 'B' Bad Guy organization. You're chillin' with the enemies, working with them, and even getting to like a lot of them. Plus, the Axel, Roxas, Xion crew is so much fun. I love them as much as I love the Sora, Riku, Kairi crew. It's a really tragic story, but there's a lot of fun and beauty in it too.
Not to mention, the DS version has some of the wonkiest dialogue lines in the series, and that's saying something.
Birth by Sleep is definitely my favorite side game directly followed by Dream Drop Distance. But I'm kind of biased towards both of those games because Birth by Sleep is the first Kingdom Hearts I was able to play through completely blind and Dream Drop Distance is the first one I was able to play in 60fps.
Basically, I thought Birth by Sleep had the most interesting characters in the series and Dream Drop Distance was really fun to play.
Jesus, I think I agreed with literally every word you said in this entire video lol
I think you may be the first
@@RegularPat me too pretty much
Re:Coded is my favorite game other than the main 3 and it's not even that far behind for me, I really love it
I really liked how you described KH1. The overall atmosphere was dark but at same time homey
I adored Birth By Sleep. I know the landscapes are barren.. but Aqua grew so dear to me, her voice and demeanor. Also I loved the combat so much.. There was one boss fight that had a kind of top down bird's eye view against the dude with the eyepatch.. and that was just pure brilliance, with such an intense top notch score. There were also really cool vehicles with which you could fight. I wish KH 3 just took that combat system and score.. also KH3 should have focused on 2d animation worlds for my money :( Anyway I digress. Cool videos :)
For anyone visiting here, Pat now has moved Eating More of That Fucking Ice Cream to C tier and More Nintendogs to D tier.
KH 1 will always be in its own tier for me as well! I actually loved the bizarreness and simplicity of how the Gummi ship levels looked. It added to the atmosphere I feel like. Also i loved the complicated level designs and the use of platforming for the worlds because it made them more rememberable. Also I just absolutely love traverse town to death lol. I feel like it could actually be a world in the astral plane or something like that. I feel like I’ve been there or to a place very similar to it. If you go to traverse towns theme on CZcams there’s many people that say it feels like home so i really wonder if it exists somewhere lol. Each game in the series has its own unique vibe and atmosphere but I just happen to prefer the more innocent, home-like, magical, heart opening vibe and atmosphere that KH 1 had
I love KH 1 as well but The fact that Sora wasn't really the first chosen to wield the keyblade wasn't really explored at all until BBS, I never felt like I was playing as a regular kid in KH1 he's constantly called the chosen one through the game.
Its more that you really feel how normal sora was supposed to be when he realizes he shouldnt have had the keyblade after riku tells him and destroys their friendship
Days is literally my fave T.T
Days is a great story, boring game
@@philmstud2k i was never bored with it
I love all the games. Story wise Re:coded is the worst but the combat is super smooth and responsive
Your ranking of the numbered games is pretty much mine, though I give extra points to KH3 for having the best final boss of the three. No being forced to fly for most of it, no being saddled with whiny boy Riku whilst being separated from D&G, etc. Just the main trio beating up an old man, on foot.
Being with riku is cool and you cant deny that though i think that they should have removed armor 2 and dragon form. Then the fight would be nearly perfect
Finally someone who thought the Kh3 final boss was the best one
What’s wild is that birth by sleep was always my favorite. I loved the command deck. It felt more customizable to me which I enjoyed
Really interesting list- I’m such a fan of how you state KH2s flaws and KH1s highlights. My ideal KH game would be 2s combat and boss fights combined with 1s world design (particularly Hollow Bastion) and 3s graphics. That would be God tier. Having said that my list would be this.
1. KH2
2.KH1
3. Melody of Memory (I have never had more fun with a game ever)
4. BBS
5. KH3
6. DDD
7. COM
8. Days
9. Coded
10. Mobile stuff I’ve not touched
never in my life will I understand the distain for dream drop distance. that game rules.
Your list is the closest list I’ve ever seen to mine I’d say haha I’d swap 2 and 3 and DDD and 358. Solid list!
I've always shared your opinion about exploration in KH2, even back in 2008 when I first played it I remember being disappointed about the world design. KH1 can be obtuse at times, but it felt much more like a grand adventure in the moment to moment game play.
The world of darkness was so cool & compelling in 0.2. It's so frustrating that the series never really spent time there before or after. DDD would have been so much better & made so much more sense if s&r had been going to the realm of darkness to try to restore worlds that had fallen into it instead of introducing but not really explaining the 'dreaming worlds' concept. Heck, you could have combined the two with dark=night=sleep=drean with worlds in darkness being 'asleep', dream eaters being a kind of heartless that aren't inherently hostile within their own realm, etc etc.
Likewise one of the complaints of kh3 is pacing - there's no strong mid point like the return to twilight town in kh1 or the return to radiant garden in kh2, and then way too much is crammed in at the end. Imagine instead you visit worlds once, go to the graveyard and get the bad ending at the mid point, then the final world bit, then instead of a short sequence fighting the lich heartless several times in a row in individual rooms from the disney worlds instead have a whole second half of the game entirely in the realm of darkness with sora actually revisiting the worlds to find and restore his friends' hearts - along the way encountering and saving aqua, reviving ven, etc, before going back to redo the graveyard with a complete team and winning. You get a strong mid point that way, you get time in the world of darkness to see first hand what's at stake if xehanort wins, you separate replayed scenes by half the game instead of half an hour, etc.
I think Days is my favourite side game, pretty much just because you get to play as the boy, Roxas. Also out of all the friendship trio things in the series, RAX feels the most natural (except maybe SDG) imo cuz pretty much the whole game you're just watching their relationships develop. Also I really like this part where Roxas and Xion first arrive in Beast's Castle and think it's haunted (which I guess it sort of is). Speaking of, if you were to ask me, I'd say that Days also does a pretty solid job of weaving the KH stuff with the Disney stuff. Since such a big part of the game is Roxas developing his relationship to himself, his pals and the Organization, the disney worlds (from what I remember) really heavily contribute to Roxas' growth more than I feel like they do with the other protagonists in the other games. But yeah, it ain't very fun to play. Story and character-wise though, I think it might be in my top 4 or 5 in the series. I haven't really given any substantial thought as to where I'd place any of the other games in the series (except for the numbered titles, same rankings as yours) but I'd definitely put Days in like upper B. Also Union X and Dark Road are in E for me. Everything else is probs around B or C.
Writing this at like 4am, so sorry if that wall of text ends up being a bunch of nonsense. Also, for our minor disagreement about Days, I must ask that you DRINK MY BLOOD AND BURN IN HELL YOU SKINNY DORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!(jk)
26:38 Hiya, 20-something year old girl here, I don't think you need to justify why you like this series as a 23 year old man. You're allowed to like stuff 💜
you know what you are entirely correct
I agree with this I didn’t start this series until 2021 because they added to the PC computer and I’m also an adult.
I wanted to see The Grid, actually...just NOT in a fucking 3DS game. I wanted them to save that shit for KH3 so graphics could actually shine. Ugh
Hey man, I know I'm not the first one to say this but your KH experiences pretty much mirror mine. Im a bit younger than you, but i share a lot of the same opinions. I found your channel a few days ago, and I've loved every minute.
P.S. I reccomend giving Coded another shot. That was actually the first game I ever played in the series. I watched a lot of videos on youtube of KH1 and 2 but I didn't have a PS2 at that time. I got Coded before going on a trip, and I beat it in a few days. That game while its definitely lower on my list of KH games still means a lot to me and is actually what got me into the series. Definitely give it another shot. I bet you'll like it or at least appreciate it more.
Hi, Pat. I found your channel a couple weeks ago. I’ve binged every one of your videos and, man, you’re good. You’re my essential KH CZcams guy. I have literally linked you to like... two people now. At least.
I think a fun idea for a video would be you explaining the plot of the series. Not exactly in a quintessential timeline sort of way, but in a “I’ve had two whiskey sours because BoJack said he likes those ones on BoJack Hoseman and now I’m gonna tell you about Kingdom Hearts.
I have played all the main games several times, I have played all the side games a minimum of once each, and I CANNOT tell you what the Unversed are. I can barely explain why am making a Heartless makes a Nobody.
Anyway, keep up the good work. Great vids. I’m having fun. Thanks, man.
Holy shit... did I just realize chain of memories is the reason I love deckbuilding rougelikes today?
Loving your content! You've made me reconsider my own feelings on some of the games. I've always liked them all - but I don't think I realized just how much I adore 1, despite revisiting that less than any others.
I think for me my ranking would be:
1: Kingdom Hearts Final Mix (Seriously, the more I think about how small the disney worlds used to be, yet how much personality and hidden secrets they housed in KH1, the more love I have for this game. A full on epic RPG version with Super Mario 64esque level design. A lot of things were of course improved upon - but i'm still mad that they got rid of tech points for parrying. It actually gave me proper incentive to learn how to block and time my attacks - whereas in most future games you can mostly just pummel everyone that isn't a boss. From 2 and onwards there were lots of great quality of life improvements - but I do think 1 as a complete package is top tier.
2: Kingdom Hearts 3/Re:Mind (Idk if it's just how hyped I was for it, but KH3 was the opposite of birth by sleep for me, in that it was over far too soon. The content that was there I liked, most of the worlds were passable if not great. Toy Box is probably my favourite disney world in the franchise, I was so excited to see some Pixar representation. But there are one too many flaws for me - the disney worlds felt very seperate from the main plot - not quite as bad as 2, but still there, the gameplay loop was very linear - which isn't neccesarily a bad thing, but I didn't like it here. It felt weirdly rushed, which is weird considering how long it was in development for. Still - a very good time, and with the added data battles I find myself having less reason to revisit KH2 other than if I want to experience the whole saga again - which I definitely will)
3: Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix (In some aspects this is my favourite - the combat is so satisfying, the story is the perfect follow up to 1 and COM, and all the new final mix content was perfect. But the more I think about it, and one thing your videos made me realize, that yeah, the disney worlds are the least impressive of any main game. 3 had the grand sizes, 1 had small but intricately designed levels with lots to explore and discover, even birth by sleep did a passable job of the KH1 world design ethos of small but lots to find - but 2 they're just kind of there to facilitate the combat)
4: 0.2 A Fragmentary Passage (If it wasn't for how short this game was, it could've easily been a number 1 contender - I loved the story, the gameplay, the secret boss is my all time favourite in the series, the little quirks like the outfits for aqua (I wish that was carried over to 3, I loved being able to customize appearance). I like how it ties up the end of KH1 too, even if it is a bit forced.)
5: Birth By Sleep ( These last 5 I all adore equally - but if I had to pick one that I get tired with first, it'll be BBS - and I think that's predominently because of how long and repetitive it is. I think they do a really good job of mixing up the worlds and playing through the different story perspectives is a really good storytelling method. But I find that by the end of a BBS completion run, I find myself wanting less)
6:Dream Drop Distance (I quite like this one gameplay wise - but the worlds do feel very empty - sort of like days, but in days it made a bit more sense from the context of playing as the Organization - whereas the sleeping worlds just felt kind of blegh. I have a soft spot for the dream eaters though)
7: Melody of Memory - (Still working through this one - and although it's kind of disappointing with some of its omissions, I am having a lot of fun with this - and am more likely to want to replay this one than Re:Com. I think having a game with the ambience of KH that you can just pick up and play for a little while without having to get fully immersed and engaged is nice)
8: Re: Chain Of Memories (I fully agree with your video on this - it is such a good story, but I feel that the 3D remake took away a lot of the charm and really showed the mechanical cracks. This game is better than people give it credit for - but I'm also not in a hurry to replay it. I honestly think if I could've chosen, I would've rather chain of memories been included as a cutscene compilation on the HD releases, and 358/2 days getting a full remake. Chain of Memories worked as a GBA game, far better than days worked on the DS imo)
9: 358/2 Days (If this were to get a full remake in the KH2 Engine this could easily rocket up to the top 5 - I adore the story. I quite like the weird tetrisy equipment mechanics - I like how you can play as all of the organization in mission mode. This game had so much potential that I feel like was lost due to hardware constraints and a less ambitious world selection. There's only so many times I can revisit the KH1 worlds before I get bored)
10: Re:Coded (In some ways I prefer this to Days, I think gameplay wise it's infinitely more engaging, but the meh story and repetition of the KH1 worlds, without the benefit of exploring them with completely new characters, meant it felt a bit tedious)
11: Dark Road (Haven't actually played yet, so giving it the benefit of the doubt)
12: Union X (Great lore hidden behind freemium bullshit gameplay. I'm so mad that this exists in this format - because I'm obligated to care as a KH fan, but it's a nightmare for the completionist in me at how much there is to do and how little I care about any of it.)
Kh1 will always be my favourite
Cool list. Having finished Days recently… I think the panelling system has to bump it up to at least C tier. Had so much fun with that little Tetris menu. But yeah, the combat could be janky af.
I would definitely move Days above DDD nowadays after replaying both more recently
“I’d rather just switch to porn” lmao
Awesome vid. I love KH1 and KH2. I've recently been streaming the second game on my channel, for nostalgia's sake, and it's been a BLAST.
Chain of Memories was my first KH game back in like 2004. I recently returned to the series after I had an urge to beat the game proper last year in June, and I'm so glad I did. I've fallen in love for the series harder than any character in this series has fallen off a cliff or into the water/sky and I'm still plummeting, tbh. I never want the journey to end, but I'm excited for the day I can properly play the other games in the series (and finally get past Demyx in KH2.)
Ah yes re:mind, the dlc that is 1/3 of rehash boss fights and story.
Tron Legacy is an awesome movie. I wished it was a world in KH3 instead of Dream Drop Distance.
When you said you where embarrassed by the dream eaters I got flashbacks to when I was a kid and too embarrassed to go anywhere near the little girl section in toys r us. Personally I love the dream eaters, and I get so fluffy when I see one on screen or referenced. They are just the right kind of adorable.
Days definitely deserved C tier, the gameplay is very basic but functional and I thought the panel system was pretty fun and the story is amazing :D
Ah yes a fellow KH3 fan
Tbh I still arguing with myself weather its my favorite or second favorite
This Video is...a little bit older but I want to say, you're vids are great! I've been looking for a Kingdom Hearts channel for what feels like dacades. I mostly agree with the list. Re:Coded for me is just this filler type Thing, a rewind like "hey, remember that?" Gameplay is fun and some Storybits also but it's more like something you should play cassual.
For days, I personally love this game! After beating 2 for god knows how many times it's nice to see everything from the perspective of the antagonists...as specially Xardas was pretty interesting. Gameplay wise it's fun, nothing for more than two hours straight, but with the mission system and the slow pacing of the Story, it really feel like a whole year is passing. In fact I played the whole game for more than 200 hours, just for the experience...sorry long comment, what I'm trying to say: amazing videos and replay days and maybe re:coded, if you feel like it
I did not like Days at all until i watched Everglows timeline. the way he lays it out made me have a whole new appreciation for the game, and now its one of my favorites. probably, like, fourth favorite.
Dreameaters
My top 3:
1. Birth By Sleep
-has one of my favorite things, simultaneous campaigns that intertwine.
2. Dream Drop Distance
-has TWEWY characters!? Free flow combat.
3. Kingdom Hearts 1
-the Disney interaction was it’s strongest here. Loved beating up Disney villains with my fat key sword.
I like KH3, the only reason i rank it slightly lower than KH2 is content. Even with Re:Mind kh3 is just so... short. Its frustrating too since I like the combat of 3 more, it feels so fluid and satisfying. Movement fluidity is one of the most important things a game can do for me, and kh3 nails it. Wall run into flowmotion jump into dash into glide just feels so perfect. The problem is I barely had any time with it. KH2 has you revisit every world except like timeless river and the final one. KH3 doesn't give you any reason to reuse Gigas or the pirate ship, both of which i enjoyed.
Every time a villain shows up in KH2 i recognize it as important. Jafar may have a downgrade since KH1 (KH1 is better imo), but at least i recognize that he is a threat to his world. Mother Gothel was just kinda there until she went heartless. Larxene existed in Arendelle, which i keep forgetting was in the game. Vanitas I think showed up before the thing with Aqua and Ven. Maleficent and Pete took a guided tour for the entire game. You at least fought Pete in kh2, and maleficent served as an unlikely ally. Come to think of it, Olympus and Caribbean are the only two worlds with what felt like genuine threats to me. Hades may be off the whole council thing but taking over the cosmos still seems like a relatively worthwhile goal. Rock Titan was an actual fight. I was invested in watching the scramble for the chest, Luxord made it feel important even if it wasn't what he was after.
I mean I liked the Big Hero 6 world. Hiro and Baymax were the main two I cared about, but the world felt so different and alive. Its a shame its one and done with not that much time actually spent there. I feel similarly about a lot of kh3 worlds. KH2 worlds were less appealing individually but that repetition made me care more about the people in them. KH3 didnt even get coliseum. Overall i would like kh3 more if it just had more to it. Liked what I got but I didnt get enough.
8:17 vergil mode from the special edition series
"I don't think anyone is saying Days is super fun to play." You'd be surprised. Had a conversation a while back with a guy who was talking about how it sucks Days wasn't playable in the HD collection. I talked to him about how Days best aspect is its story and the rest kinda falls flat, but he just outright disagreed with me. And like, more power to him I suppose, but I really can't see what he means. I really can't see any reason to play Days in 2023. Sure, when it was the only normal Kingdom Hearts game on a portable console, but now we have Re:Coded, Birth By Sleep, and Dream Drop Distance, all three of which blow Days out of the water. And since the story is in 1.5, yeah, there's no real reason to go back to Days outside of completion's sake.
Just found your channel. I love your videos! Even though your rankings sicken and disgust me. Very good stuff!
Yikes on the 3D take D': Imo it's the only handheld game that even comes close to controlling like the first two mainline entries, and some of the recurring worlds have far better design than the first two mainline entries. I mean, 3D Traverse Town is in my top 5 worlds in the whole series. From the rearranged field music, to it feeling like the most well realized town in the series, idunno, maybe I'm the odd one out, but 3D is my favorite handheld KH game.
I'm more of a gameplay oriented person, so the freedom of movement and exploration earned some serious points from me.
I do love DDD Traverse Town. I think the game has high highs and low lows tbh. My main issue with Dream Drop (honestly can't remember if/how much I talk about it in this vid) is that the Flowmotion totally invalidates what would otherwise be well-designed worlds. I would accept "you don't have to use it" if Flowmotion weren't sort of pushed as like, the primary gimmick of the game. I definitely concede that it's satisfying to like zip around rooms and go fast, but there are so many set pieces and platforming areas that are made redundant by it, which seems like a conflict in design principles. (I go into it a bit more in my Evolution of Motion video essay)
But I like Tron: Legacy and The Three Musketeers. :’(
Mine is (Prefering FM except Coded Coded made a much worse Coded (and Days(And yes this is parenthesis inside parenthesis inside parenthesis explaining why I'm doing that)))
S:KH1 358/2 Days CoM
A:KH2
B:KH3 DDD BBS
C:BBS 0.2
Haven't played:MoM and Coded
Hell:All the Mobile Games
20:50 birth by sleep is my favorite kingdom hearts game, it just does so much right
Well I think it's too hard, I can't kill the stupid tree in dwarf woodlands
I loved it mostly but then I realized Aqua and Ventus become invincible if you mash evade. And that's not an exaggerated way of saying it's op - you like actually have invulnerability frames from start to finish once dodge is leveled up.. You can just stop a fight at any given time by mashing dodge; don't look at the screen at all and take a breath, have a snack, wait for an opening...it really borked up the otherwise hard fights for me. Borderline exploits aside, it's one of my favorites too though. Great characters, skill systems, cutscenes, etc.
@@SynCelestial that's why i don't dodge all that much, i prefer to block, especially because renewal block exists and it gives you free hp for blocking an attack plus you can use your counter move.
Another game series that eventually lets you play as one of it's hardest bosses is Devil May Cry.
And yes, Vergil was a boss, and one of the harder ones at that, in the original DMC. I beat it for the first time last year, and the boss you beat to go to hell was Vergil.
well you asked, so here's mine, gameplay is king so
#1: Kingdom Hearts II
#2: Kingdom Hearts
#3: Kingdom Hearts - 358/2 Days
#4: Kingdom Hearts - Birth By Sleep
#5: Kingdom Hearts - Re:coded
#6: Kingdom Hearts - Re: Chain of Memories
haven't beat KH3 and DDD or even played MoM (i like music games but i'm not dropping full price for one), would prolly put KH3 below 1&2 and DDD at the bottom
"but what about KHux"
okay no THAT goes on bottom
KH1 and KH2 discourse really reminds me of New Hope and Empire Strikes Back discourse in terms of talk about simplicity, theming, wonder, worlds, character, writing, etc etc etc. Hell, even the combat discourse is similar.
Re:Coded suffers from “none of this really matters and none of this is real and it’s essentially pointless and redundant” syndrome. Yet… you still feel obligated to play it cos Nomura said so.
S - KH2
A - KH1, KH3, DDD, BBS
F - CoM
Haven't played 358 or ReCoded on DS sadly. But yea I love the other games except for Chain of Memories which is unplayable to me. Not interested in deck building at all and the story is extremely redundant to me. It has it's moments but I just can't even finish it
Respect your opinion still think 3 is garbage though
I mostly agree with your placement but here's a few explanations ...
BBS gets criticized mainly because of Osaka team's tendencies for how they design their combat systems. Boss' not being able to stagger or have no revenge values can makes boss fights unnecessarily hard at higher difficulties. Surge attack commands are also pretty overpowered in the game since they give you lot's of invincibility frames so Osaka team didn't do a good job at balancing the commands either. The reason why BBS gets a pass for these flaws is because the game features one of the better level designs in the series and endgame content too. BBS for all it's faults had decent level designs which lend itself interesting platforming segments and level interactivity too. The waterways/vault in Dwarf Woodlands, Cinderlla's house , Maleficient's castle, entire worlds of Disney Town and Deep Space are all examples that shows Osaka team is more than capable of making competent level designs that were sorely lacking in most of the series.
DDD is rightfully just Osaka team being at their worst. Boss fights are even worse in this game and balloon commands are overpowered so they obviously didn't learn their fundamental flaws from the previous games. Level designs are just as bad as KH2 but instead of having hallways with treasure chests you now have big empty rooms with treasure chests so the flowmotion mechanics were wasted in the game.
Re:CoM's combat system wasn't originally designed by Osaka team which was arguably a plus considering that the team didn't have great design patterns when approaching combat systems at the time so the game remains devoid of most of the problems that comes from Osaka team itself. The level designs were repetitive and uninspired but at least the game came with a deep and reasonable combat system.
358 Days might have one of the better story in the series but it has the absolute worst combat system in the entire franchise since there's nothing creative about it and using magic was painful.
Re:coded has the opposite problem in that it has one of the best implementations of the command deck but it has an atrocious story. While the combat mechanics were good, the game didn't do a very good job of showing this since boss fights were ruined with bad gimmicks.
I definitely didn't want country of musketeers. But it ended up being a surprisingly enjoyable world mostly because of the presence of Disney slapstick. I Totally lost it when Mickey and Goofy defeat the Beagle boys by throwing themselves out a window, it was so random. I love it when that kind of action appears in Kingdom hearts. Especially if its Sora jumping around with his pants on Fire, he is such a goofball.
I believe the tour line is from frustrated Jacob! I fully agree with the point
I really want to like KH 3D, but switching characters through dream drop is so jarring. I liked seeing new worlds like the Country of the Musketeers, The Grid, and Pransksters Paradise. And I’m so glad my favorite Disney. cartoon, Hunchback of Notre Dame, finally got some recognition with La Cité des Cloches. But how can you enjoy all that if you can’t even remember what you were doing last time I was playing Riku? Oh, that’s right: I was rubbing bellies to get stronger. Sigh.
On a side note, I’m surprised you didn’t buy Crisis Core: Final Fantasy for PSP. It’s practically the 358/2 Days of Final Fantasy, lol.
You're looking at the guy who did a Kingdom Key solo for Days. I really love Days. And now I can play it on my phone.
We have to give coded at least one piece of credit: it was probably the intro to KH for a decent amount of people, and gameplay wise was at least ok.
Riku part is by far the best bit of com. The worst part of the game, especially re:com, is grinding moogle points, and riku doesn't have to do that. The second worst part is being underpowered because your deck is too weak because you didn't grind moogle points, keading to fights that are too hard in a frustrating, unfun way. The third worst part of com is after you finally break down and grind points and make a custom deck with pre-ordered op slights and the game is trivialized and boring.
Riku not making his own decks solves all of that and makes for a much better experience with a sensible difficulty curve. You stay engaged, learning to make the most of the deck he has by actually playing the game instead of wasting time grinding & tinkering only to break the game in your own favor.
I think the real reason they focused on dreams and dropping and distance was because they wanted to have some gimmick to tie to the 3DS. Like, if the 3DS wasn't a thing, they would have released a completely different game.
If you like character action games, KHII is a hidden gem and maybe one of the best of all time. I agree that the story is maybe not as strong after the first act but it's still my favourite by a wide margin.